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It has got great capabilities to haul stuff with the back seats folded down.
Overall, this car is an excellent value. The automatic has features the Accord does not - namely paddle shifters.
It's more gray than I thought it would be, and it's surprisingly comfortable. I got thirty four inch inseam and with the seat all the way back, my arm are nearly straight at ten and two. But it is fine, nice light steering and you can lay that baby into turns no problem. I usually won't even consider it if my arm are like that on the wheel, works good though.
There is some tire noise/road whatever whenever, no matter. AUX, that's right lots of Ipod input works great, forget that cable. Just plug your player into the jack. Doesn't have radio controls on the wheel and doesn't need it.
doesn't have a map light, don't even care, such a sweet little package. I won't even consider a car without a maplight, don't matter. I telling you this is honda roots! Dis is da bomb. More later I'll send you some pictures. Get one!
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> --- Dipstick is 1 inch from the manifold. The hole is
> facing towards you(with the manifod right behind it), so
> either way you pull on it, you risk getting badly burnt.
Um, I think that's the *intake* manifold (should not be hot) at the front of the engine near the dipstick. I could be wrong, but the stainless steel pipes in the back look like they could handle hot exhaust gases better then the plastic pipes up front :P .
I honestly wondered if they would have to pull the entire engine to replace the water pump. Mini, Audi, GM, and many others are guilty of this as well.
Door panels are trimmed as well
1. How will the new 5 speed AT hold up with the new paddle shift system? Any reason the 5 speed AT will break down or wear down sooner than expected? From my knowledge, the Fit’s paddle shifters will be first to be in a production Honda vehicle. My feelings are if it does break down sooner than expected (but beyond the warranty period), the cost to fix the transmission will be huge.
2. How about the insurance cost for a new car without having the crash tests performed on it yet? Will the insurance cost be reduced with all the safety features such as all the airbags installed on the Fit? I am 23 years old, male, not married and will mainly be using this gas sipper to commute to and from work.
Any comments and thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. :shades:
> My fingers were inches from a set of metal pipes.
> It sure looked like and felt like an exhaust manifold.
The pipes up front do indeed seem to be metal (my bad
The L-series engines are a bit unusual in that they place the intake plenum on top of the engine, rather than in-front/in-back as is more common among contemporary engines. This plenum is the origin of the pipes you see up-front. The exhaust collector headers are in the rear of L-series engines and not nice and parallel like the intake runners. They are probably pretty hard to see from a Fit engine bay (I didn't go looking for them) as they are quite a bit lower (coming from the side of the head) than the top of what we see as the engine. The TOVA Special Technical Feature Honda's new L-Series Engine article provides a good reference for the general design features of the L-series engines.
I agree with your point about fill/check locations being poorly positioned and marked. Much of the time I spent "under the hood" was used looking for the same things you mentioned. I suppose we will get used to them over time, but finding them in poor lighting will always be a challenge.
While those pipes are metal, they are in fact the intake pipes. The exhaust goes straight out the back of the engine. The US/Canadian market L-series engine is different in the sense that the intake pipes are the silvery metal, rather than the black on the European and Japanese versions. I am not sure what the black material is on the European Jazz (I never checked)...could be plastic.
The intake pipes do get hot, but they shouldn't scald you. After a nice long drive, the pipes were merely warm. 10 and 20 minutes later they were hot, but still could be touched for any length of time. Be careful though! I don't want to be held responsible for burned fingers.
http://asia.vtec.net/Series/FitJazz/lseries/
I hope the next generation Fit addresses this and also gives us leather and a sunroof. Oh - and rear disc brakes.
Gheez - if *China* can get leather and a sunroof, what's wrong with Honda? They treat us like illiterate yokels or something with how they always give us the worst version of anything they release - or years later than the rest of the planet.
You would think that their largest foriegn market would get the best they have to offer. As it is, we don't even get the locking gas cap. It's a good car, but somehow it's also wrong at the same time. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth having to settle for a worse version than Mexico and Canada get.
Seems this way of doing frequent in China.
I also can't believe Map lights, Gas door lock and and Trip consumption computer may not be available in US fits. Maybe someone will confirm. The absence of CVT / Roof option is glaring enough
Whenever I go out, I often find myself parking near another Fit. There are so many on the road that one can not claim any exclusivity owning one here.
it is like Honda were afraid to make a hit with their fit in the US. Or they wanted to protect their Civic. the Fit should not be positioned against Korean competition but as a premium micro car (in content of course, not in price)
made a short trip today, 6 adults, 4 in the back. the availabe room is indeed convincing.
The NA Fit is longer front and rear due to NA bumper laws, is it not?
The frame is the same size as the rest of the world, but the entire front bumper unit (the area under the hood too) is considerably longer (about 4-4.5 inches) and consequently the hood, headlights, etc. have been elongated slightly. It appears keeping the general design the same was a priority as well, because where the panels line-up to the headlights and everything is the same, just stretched out a bit.
They wanted to make sure the car met 5mph bumper standards, which explains the change.
It's not like the Fit will be crap in a crash with a sunroof and stellar without one. I read elsewhere in these forums (maybe earlier in this thread, I can't remember) from someone seemingly "in the know" who said that the reason Honda isn't providing a sunroof option in US Fits is because they want the Fit to receive the highest possible safety rating based on US tests; this person said that with a sunroof, the Fit might "only" get a 4-star safety rating, but that with the slightly greater rigidity having no sunroof would make possible, Honda expects the Fit to get a full 5-star safety rating. So apparently Honda thinks the Fit would do well either with or without a sunroof, and is just opting for nothing less than the best rating they can attain.
I also have taken a very good look at the European Jazz, and I own a US market Fit, so I can easily compare everything.
No, I don't work for Honda.
I don't know when Honda will release the next generation Fit to the US. My guess is as good as anyones. I think the Civic 5-door is destined for Europe only at this point.
w9cw,
When I said frame, I meant the structural part of the car...the unibody. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, I don't understand how you are saying that a Fit is costing you less. You should really compare a Yaris to a Fit and a Yaris S to a Fit Sport... that's how they "fit". And you will see that the Yaris is atleast $1,000 cheaper in both cases. Also, in the standard Fit, you don't even get an Mp3 player!
Toyota Yaris S Sedan Manual Transmission(Southeast Toyota)base price= $13960
Add Power Pack with Alloy Wheels +1350
Add Curtain Airbags +650
Add foglamps +110
Add keyless entry +230
Total MSRP = $16,300
These two vehicles are comparably equipped. The difference is not $1000 in favor of the Yaris. It is actually, $580 in favor of the Fit.
I can't imagine putting four American 6,X Footers in the back of a fit, especially if a bit overweight!
A fit w/ same motor should easily pass the 50 mpg mark...As vw tdi owners are claiming actual highway miles close to 60 mpg I think a fit would easily match those numbers.
The CTDI engine is what we need in the Fit as well. They are using U.K. gallons, but that still translates into 45-50MPG average. In a lighter Fit, you would get maybe a second slower 0-60 times, but 60mpg highway, easily. Torque is more than the S2000, though, so it passes and moves in city traffic probably as well as a Cooper S.
No need for a hybrid. Just drop this engine in it.
I wonder if honda will ever put a diesel in their civics and accords over here. I wish my ody has their 2.2 diesel.
Make a 1.7 or 1.8L version of that same engine, and you would have even better fuel economy, and it would be a much better fit (no pun intended) for the Fit/Jazz.
In response to nwng, the European Jazz doesn't have a diesel option. Just the 1.2 and 1.4 i-DSI gasoline engines.
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
All I can say is "P-A-S-S".
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
Your cracked or on crack. Remember kids always surf the internet sober. You are so off the mark it's hilarious.
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
Your cracked or on crack. Remember kids always surf the internet sober.
Well, my comments still stand. This car is unrefined and not typical of a the Honda quality we've come to expect.
As an owner, as opposed to someone who says they visited the dealership, I can say that the refinement is best in the segment and quality is excellent. Despite the use of hard plastics in several areas, it just doesn't feel cheap.
The plastics, carpeting and apholstery isn't even in the same class as my 95 Civic.
Just my opinion. To each their own.
the only criticism that the posters on this forum and the "experts" agree on is the cheap carpeting. most everyone appears to be impressed with the overall looks, feel, and handling of the fit.
you are all reacting as if baseknock's word is the gospel.
from what i've found doing my research is baseknock is in a minority.
he's allowed his opinion... even if he's wrong.