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Rocky
Rocky
When one will in a yr. or 2 buy or lease a Cadillac CTS Super-V and own a real sports sedan
I guess it depends on what you're looking for. To move up from the combination of power, handling, refinement, safety and practicality, i think i'd have to spend over 80K. I mean, i'd like a 911S, but it's not in my budget at the moment..
However, if one of looking for space and gadgets, your point stands.
See my post #36 above.
- Ray
Since that is the configuration I'd buy...
EPA = 20 / 29.
- Ray
Impressed...
"
Automobile says:"We're a little disappointed the 335i BMW didn't carry over the 330i sedan's hydraulic steering, which offers better feel and is more "talkative" than this car's electrically assisted system."
I have not yet driven a 335 - except a coupe, briefly, in the above mentioned parking lot \ autocross style 'event' .
Possibly tomorrow, if no one buys the 335 STEP Sedan that just arrived at my closest dealer...
Without driving one, I see no basis for me to comment. I see steering feel as somewhat subjective.
- Ray
Interested in balance & handling & steering feel and TORQUE...........
My point is the BMW 335i is a very nice vehicle. OTOH their are better alternatives that cost a whole lot less and one doesn't have to sacrifice performance and/or luxury.
Rocky
There is a guy here at work who buys $2 frozen pizzas and insists that we're just victims of advertising for paying anything more than that. He also drives a geo metro and thinks the same about that, as well.
I think I'm going to euro-deliver a 335i sedan, which should cost me a little under 36K. what am i going to get for "A whole lot less than that" that's going to perform as well, have four seats, and be safe and luxurious?
Even comparing sticker prices.. A CTS starts at $30,405, and a 328i ( bigger engine, better fuel economy, more power, better handling, better interior, IMO ) stickers for $32,400, has free maintainance for four years, and id going to hold its value a whole lot better.
A CTS v6 luxury/sport stickers at $48,500.
Maybe the 2008 CTS will be a earth-shattering vehicle. But the old CTS was supposed to be a world beater as well.
LOL, I think food and cars can't go hand and hand can they ?
I think I'm going to euro-deliver a 335i sedan, which should cost me a little under 36K. what am i going to get for "A whole lot less than that" that's going to perform as well, have four seats, and be safe and luxurious?
So you are getting stripped base version ? The coupe I priced up was almost $53K but it also was fully loaded. :surprise: If you wait for A 2008' Cadillac CTS, it will do all of the above for alot less $$$$ :P
Even comparing sticker prices.. A CTS starts at $30,405, and a 328i ( bigger engine, better fuel economy, more power, better handling, better interior, IMO ) stickers for $32,400, has free maintainance for four years, and id going to hold its value a whole lot better.
The CTS's around here are holding their values better than a BMW 328i. Especially the 6-speeds.
A CTS v6 luxury/sport stickers at $48,500.
I've priced them up and yet to come up with that figure ? :confuse: $44K is the most I've seen em' for. The CTS-V is $52K
Maybe the 2008 CTS will be a earth-shattering vehicle. But the old CTS was supposed to be a world beater as well.
I don't think it was a world beater, but it was a good attempt for GM, and it sells quite well. The 08' will be a world beater since GM, promises to best BMW 3, in every category. I honestly think they will at least come real close if not accomplish that task. However the BMW appologist's have the media in their corner like Elmers, and for some reason BMW's flaws don't get a un-biased opinion in reviews.
I know I sound like a BMW, hater but actually I love the new 335i alot. If it wasn't over-priced I'd probably seriously look at owning one. I however think it's worth waiting for a 08' CTS.
Rocky
No. Xenon headlights, logic-7 (very very nice) sterio, heated seats, sunroof, etc,etc.
"The 08' will be a world beater since GM, promises to best BMW 3, in every category."
Well, that's going to be great!
Ya know, i'd love a 911TT. It's out of my price range, but i don't spend time in that forum going on how it's a poor value and a corvette is cheaper.
dave
Yawn, another prediction of the demise of the 3-Series. Hmmm, let's see, what month is this? Yup, it seems to be time for this type of comment to roll around again.
The sorry fact is that over the last eight years or so I've frequently seen almost that exact same comment. Simply change the manufacturer and the model of the car and the epitaph for the venerable 3-Series has been written so many times that some folks might could well be surprised that BMW is still making the poor thing. :P
Regarding your assertion that the CTS holds its value better than a 3-Series, ummm, sorry, not buying. While I’ve not extensively researched this issue, I just took a quick peek at the Kelly Blue Book for 2003 (a year I chose at random) and found the following:
330i - MSRP: $34,800 -- Blue Book: $26,300 - $27,700 -- Retained Value: 75.6% - 79.6%
325i - MSRP: $27,800 -- Blue Book: $23,200 - $24,300 -- Retained Value: 83.5% - 87.4%
CTS - MSRP: $30,000 -- Blue Book: $20,800 - $21,800 -- Retained Value: 69.3% - 72.6%
Let's see, a car that doesn't hold its value very well, a car that's about as ugly as an Aztek, and a car that requires a V8 borrowed from a Corvette to be able to perform better than a V6 Accord or Camry. Maybe it's just me, however, I don' get the attraction.
I was also very amused by your comment about all of the manual transmission equipped cars in your area. Geez, your area must be special indeed as I've never even seen a stick in a CTS. I went in to a couple of different dealerships two years back and asked to test drive one (just to see if the performance was as good as the zealots said it was) and the sales folks actually laughed at me. "Sorry, not only do we not stock any cars with a stick, in fact, we won't even order one even if a customer says that they want oner."
Me: "Uhhh, why not?"
"Because we know that nobody actually wants a stick and in the end they'll change their order to an automatic and dump it on us."
So, until the CTS dethrones the 3-Series (if ever), pardon me if I dismiss any and all pro-CTS rhetoric as just so much noise.
Best Regards,
Shipo
I peeked online at used cars in carmax here. A '05 3.6L cts was selling at 25K and an '01 330i was selling for 26K.
I do not believe everything GM 'promises'...
Their track record, with very few exceptions, has not been stellar.
No one has published definitive specifications on the 2008 CTS, let alone driving impressions or instrumented test numbers.
The 2007 335 is here, now.
It has the attention of many interested parties, and I plan to accept an offer of a thorough test drive, a.s.a.p.
- Ray
Looking more seriously at what is, rather than what GM is currently promising...
I can easily afford a BMW 335i but why waste my money on something that costs more and loses in every performance feat against a 07' G35. :P
You BMW apologists shouldn't be allowed to win when some MT editor says the "BMW feels better in the curve" :confuse: God, if I have to rely on that to win a comparo, please let me concede the victory. :mad: I'd rather lose than have to be given a victory on a decision like some blinde judges in a boxing match. How pathetic !!!
Rocky
P.S. This isn't your fathers GM, they will deliver on their promise this go around.
Hmmm, I'm thinking that them rose colored glasses of yers need a stronger perscription.
BTW, if you want to continue ranting about how pathetic the 335i is, please, take said rants to a comparo discussion. If one doesn't currently exist, go ahead and create it, I won't be seeing you there. :P
Best Regards,
Shipo
If GM, throws in the 600 hp. Super-V engine I'll take on your M5, and lap that also. I might beable to lap it with the 7.0 LS-6
Neways back to your regulated, BMW only biased programming.
Rocky
Rocky
Best Regards,
Shipo
Rocky
Maybe a comparison forum titled, "BMW 335i vs. pie-in-the-sky fantasy" would be appropriate?
The two comparisons i've seen between the 3 and the new g35 have been losses for the g35--and that's the sedan (you keep quoting the coupe-with-every-option price for the BMW) with the non-turbo engine.
As for the is350, we have out own edmunds:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=109021
I think you're not really considering price properly. In the lexus test, the bmw was $1800 more expensive. At this price point, not much, and when you factor in resale and free service...
I would love to be in line to put some money down on a bet that says an M3 will kill any caddy at the track. [this from a maniac S4 fan]
I'm not sure that there has been a comparative test between the new G and the 335 although I bet it's close. The IS 350? don't even get me started.
I used to really be in to mustangs because they were cheap and fast. But after driving slower German cars, I gotta say, they have more going for them all around IMO.
Rocky, have your opinions, your entitled to em, but you don't help yourself with some of you arguments
"Well Shipo, when I get my "Too Big" CTS-V, and I'll lap not only your BMW 335i sedan/coupe, I'll gladly lap your over-priced BMW M3 Coupe/Sedan."
The current M3 stickers for less than a CTS-v, the new ones for both manufacturers will most likely be very similar in price. Whose overpriced?
Rocky
Well according to the test track results the Caddy kicks the stuffing out of the BMW 3.
next question:
Now I will admit that I have a little bit of an Audi bias, but I will say that currently Audi has nothing dollar for dollar that can match the 335. And, no one from America has anything that can sniff it. I'm talking in the four door realm. [maybe a vet in two door land, but still not the "whole" experience, steering, balance, descent interior, ergonomics, seats] I've had a bit of seat time in the CTS-v, low rent interior compared to Audi, bus like steering wheel [should be on a bus, not a four door sports sedan] probably the worst gear box on the planet, and funky steering.
I agree that the domestics don't yet have anything out their that matches the 335i's WHOLE driving experience YET.
I would love to be in line to put some money down on a bet that says an M3 will kill any caddy at the track. [this from a maniac S4 fan]
Yeah me 2, I'd love to take your money in a CTS-V or
STS-V
I'm not sure that there has been a comparative test between the new G and the 335 although I bet it's close. The IS 350? don't even get me started.
Yes I've seen a comparo and they gave the crown to the 330i. It was a 07' G35 vs. 330i. That should tell you the bias in the car media. What a joke :mad:
I used to really be in to mustangs because they were cheap and fast. But after driving slower German cars, I gotta say, they have more going for them all around IMO.
They do have alot going for them but your going to pay $10-20K avg. to start more for them.
Rocky, have your opinions, your entitled to em, but you don't help yourself with some of you arguments
The feeling is mutual as I feel the same torwards y'all.
The current M3 stickers for less than a CTS-v, the new ones for both manufacturers will most likely be very similar in price. Whose overpriced?
I'm yet to see a BMW M3 for under $56K Regardless the CTS-V can be much less than it's MSRP. One might be able to knock off a grand on a M3 if they shop around. The new CTS-V will route the M3 sedan we are about to see. Rumors I read have the new V-8 M3 coming in at $60K+
If that is true then you BMW loyalists can drink that very expensive mixed drink, I'll stick to my American Made Sam Adams
Thanks,
Rocky
I can't believe how many people the "It has a shoddy interior, depreciates like a rock, is slower and gets worse mileage, but, hey, it's $1500 cheaper" sales gimmick gets.
I mean, really, if you don't want to pay extra for performance, why are you looking at the CTS? Why not get a buick?
Rocky, you keep making claims and when they are shown to be wrong, not acknowledging it and making other claims. For example the resale question. That's not a terribly productive argumentation tactic.
Your price comparisons are another example. You're loading up the more-expensive 335i coupe with every option you get your "$50K bmw" figure, as compared to the entry-level CTS near $30K. It's been pointed out to you that the sedan is cheaper several times, and maxed out has a great deal that the CTS does not.
It would be just as fair for me to compare a base 328i to a loaded CTS and go on and on about how much more expensive the caddy is. Note how i don't spend my time in the caddy forum doing that, though.
Let's leave this one to the new 335i.
One constructive suggestion I might make (as a carrover from another forum) is that we police ourselves to limit opinions to cars that we have actually seen and test driven ourselves. A rather novel suggestion that might be a problem for Rocky, since I'm still not completely convinced he really has a driver's license. But giving him that benefit of the doubt, at least it would eliminate ridiculous hyperbole and speculation, in an otherwise interesting forum.
I, myself, will need to get my butt into the 335i based upon what a conservative architect friend told me yesterday. Their last 4 vehicles have been Lexus. He was initially debating between an IS350 and GS, and then test drove the 335i on Saturday. His Lexus-biased comment was "absolutley no comparison, the BMW is that much more powerful, much sharper handling and just a pleasure to DRIVE compared to the IS350". Exact words. But I'm not going to take his word for it, I'm going to follow my own advice and try a 335i out for myself at the earliest opportunity.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef13c75/6613
That is most likely where the bulk of the 328i discussions will take place. See you there. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $44,445 (base price: $39,395)
Engine type: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve inline-6, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 182 cu in, 2979cc
Power (SAE net): 300 bhp @ 5800 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 300 lb-ft @ 1400 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 108.7 in
Length/width/height: 178.2/71.5/55.9 in
Curb weight: 3616 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.8 sec
Zero to 140 mph: 26.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 106 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 145 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 157 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.89 g
EPA fuel economy, city/highway: 19/28 mpg (C/D est)
Rocky
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This statement is just pathetic, without any information you willing to believe soon to be out of business GM???? Even Lexus failed to deliver what they promised, IS is not even close to what they promised. G35 was very capable and I’m sure the new one is even better then before. But how can you compare those vehicles and declare a winner without driving them or even seeing one revue?? Everyone value things differently, for me 335 is the best value on the market, because it offers something no other vehicle in their class does, crisp handling, exceptional road feel, and superb steering response. If you can’t feel the difference, better for you, as you have wider choice of vehicles.
P.S. 911Turbo is considered to be the best value on the market at 150K, I bet you thought it was GIO MetroJ
I'm certain that Jim C. will be able to fix that problem...
Quite the bargain Compaired to a 70K RS4 Id say...
DL
Rocky
I like the comment about the American vehicles not having a car that can compete in all around performance YET. Do people think that as American cars advance, the other cars are just stagnating around?
I honestly welcome this competition! With the 3 having been the benchmark for so long, everybody is shooting for it and trying to knock it off the benchmark throne. What that does is drive automakers to offer good looking, good accelerating, good handling vehicles for a decent price. In the end, we ALL win. Not everybody has to drive a BMW, or a Lexus, or a Cadillac. You go with what combination of looks, styling, performance, price, luxury, sport, etc YOU are willing to pay. Some see value in BMW's. Some don't. Some see value in Cadillacs. Some don't.
Regarding value, yes the BMW service is a valuable marketing step. Who else do you know that will change pads/rotors on brakes as part of normal service? If you know of somebody, please post the link stating they provide this. That brake job of pads/rotors and other maintenance can get pricey when you get into this segment of vehicle, so any price break here is worth it.
But I do know Shipo wouldn't use that as he'd want non-OEM pads on his BMW.
-Paul