BMW 335i 2007+

dewey

. Any bets? I wonder how long these '07 335i engines will last with oil temps approaching 300 C (assuming the gauge is telling the truth, and BMW gauges don't always do that) and the 15,500 mile oil change interval?
BMW has a reputation for bringing things to market while still in "beta" test. Too bad they can't learn from the Bremi ignition coil fiasco they put my mom through (4 tow-ins back to the dealer in the first 8k miles on her '03 325i, followed by the "lemon law buy back from hell" as they blamed her for the problem?!$%#!; the '03-'05+ 7-Series "software" disasters; the '00-'05 3-Series Coupe trim-won't-stay-attached-to-the-door-frame fiascoes (I saw multiple brand new/unsold 2005's with the trim melted, sitting in my dealer's lot!); the '99-'03+ 3-series electrical socket corrosion issues; the side air bag premature/excessive sensitivity issues in '99 and '00; the E90 Run Flat Tire fiasco (as we speak) . . . the list goes on and on and on.

LOL,

I am just hoping these unsubstantiated rumors are spread by people like you who are somewhat biased. That would be a great sigh of relief indeed !

Your elaborate history on BMW unreliability is bunk! Anybody can pick and choose unreliability stats on any marque and create horror stories of malfuctions and complaints. Give me a auto brand and I will google for you a descriptive horror story indeed.

No auto brand has a clean history. In fact I've owned several BMWs and I am still awaiting the horror stories you are pointing out. :P

I am dreading to find a single substantiated rumor about the twin turbo but I have not found one yet. And even if there is a substantiated rumor or two then those may be isolated cases? Or may be not? Only time will tell. But based on my ownership experiences with BMWs time has always been on my side.

dl7265

LOL hater in the house. I was at the Event . utter lies told here folks...enjoy your Lexus.

DL

designman

If you were at the event maybe you can elaborate. There is suspicion and accusations from curious points of interest on the matter. One thing seems sure, there is nothing like the web in its ability to inform and misinform. I'm not sure where Lexus comes into play here.

dewey

Being in the investment industry I've been exposed to many rumors before. And I never ever take any action unless a rumor can be substantiated

Having said that I am still awaiting any substantiation of these twin turbo rumors. And when I say substantiation I dont mean the word of a forum member whose identity remains anonymous and whose proof is based on mere hearsay.

shipo

Good man. ;-)

Personally I still think that the 335i is a good bet.

Best Regards,
Shipo

habitat1

"And I never ever take any action unless a rumor can be substantiated...Having said that I am still awaiting any substantiation of these twin turbo rumors".

I don't act on rumors either...however, I hope that, in the event that the particluar incidents reported are true or partially true, BMW responds accordingly and publicly, rather than let the rumor fester.

In the case of our 2005 MDX, I had to do more research than I should have to reach my own conclusion regarding Honda/Acura's transmission failures. In the case of our 2005 911S, I had to do the same regarding the RMS leaks reported in 996's and Boxsters. I don't know if the manufacturers think that somehow being silent is mitigating the problem, but, in fact, I think it damages their own credibility.

Hopefully, BMW will tackle this issue head on rather than have prospective buyers guessing. I'd say the same thing to a Board member of a public corporation. I have friends in the hedge fund business that knew something started smelling funny at Enron and pulled their investments out early. But the general public got taken. Once burned, it's not unusual to be a little suspiscious in any business - cars or stocks.

cdnpinhead

turbocharging an otherwise naturally-aspirated engine adds at least as much to the heat load as it does to the power.

The oil cooler & radiator need to dissipate that heat. One assumes they have been sized accordingly (plus the pumps & associated plumbing), but perhaps not, given the much higher ambient temperatures the North American continent has to endure (especially here in Phoenix), relative to Europe.

This is why I'm very leery of add-on turbo or supercharger kits (with or without chips).

One hopes the BMW folks took all this into account. Time will tell.

dhamilton

I did the Houston 335 event. The windows were up, and the AC was blowing cold. I didn't notice any overheating problems.

dl7265

Lexus was in reference to what our BMW hater probably drives. As for the Event. I can attest to the Texas Heat, the 335i Prow' les, but not too any over heating, or the Infiniti being superior in any category. :P

DL

habitat1

"and all were told to keep the cars in the regular drive position with no paddle or manual shifting."

I'm sorry for sounding rude, but what the hell is going on when even BMWs show up to a track event with a slushbox?? :mad: Or maybe an SMG, but from my limited experience (M3/M5), BMW's SMGs leave a lot to be desired compared to a good old 6-speed manual.

Sorry, I'm getting off track (figuratively). Glad to hear no overheating problems.

circlew

jmcbw, I gree with you. 230 hp vs. 255 hp is notlogical! if the performance numbers are slower which they should be and efficiency is no change, what's the point?

Detuning to realign the nameplate probably. Oh well, I will drive everything when time comes to lease. I WILL have a problem with this issue, however. Guess I am programed to want more like others.

dhanley

"I'm sorry for sounding rude, but what the hell is going on when even BMWs show up to a track event with a slushbox??"

Yep, i was dissapointed too.

I mean, ok, i know 80% of the people out there aren't competent to drive stick, but come on, at least bring one car out of five as stick, then...

anon954

This rumor of engine overheating is just that, a rumor. Be logical, BMW tests in Death Valley and in Nevada.

designman

"Be logical." OK. They gave us iDrive, active steering, run-flat tires, seat-belt feeders, a sucky auto clutch, a cheap sound system and some of the ugliest cars on the face of the earth. Accept everything from BMW ex cathedra? Not me. They think they're on a leading edge but they're bobbing for follies. This overheating rumor could wind up being true, false, mistaken identity or lies. But the situation is worth observing. Be logical.

;-)

anon954

Your logic is nearly all opinion. Many car makers other than BMW use run flats as factory installed options not even counting people who add it onto their car later. iDrive and styling is all opinion and most cars using the clutchless automatics in automtic mode suck with notable exception of DSG and F-1. Dont even be ridiculous about cheap audio systems, ever sat in a 350z? Logic and your opinion are different. Testing in 100+ weather will easily smoke out an overheating problem.

kdshapiro

"They gave us iDrive i will take it, active steering will take it , run-flat tires they ain't the only ones , seat-belt feeders what has this got to do with the price of tea? , a sucky auto clutch opinion , a cheap sound system that's pure b/s and some of the ugliest cars on the face of the earth to each their own in taste."

designman

Awww shucks. C’mon kd, you and I have been good friends in opposing dugouts for quite some time. Is “bs” necessary? I’m on record criticizing the (open genuflect) ML system in the LS (close genuflect). The base stock sound systems in the current BMWs are worse than the base system in my older model, IMO. I’m not talking about the extort-a-customer premium systems. Some things are gettin’ cheap in BMWs.

designman

I don’t have an interest in BMWs because they are like "many car makers." Their engineering reputation precedes them so I’m inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt with this turbo engine. But marketing and engineering are two different departments. I’ll scratch my head and remain vigilant with BMW and everyone else, thank you.

Yes opinion, my “logical” opinion which, of course, is logical in my opinion, captain.

;-)

kdshapiro

Normally I wouldn't have added it. But since we've been trading opinions for a while I was figuring you wouldn't get upset by it. Hope you weren't. Seriously though the HK sound system and the Logic 7 may not be up to ML standards, but they do not cost $4K either. It's an okay system that does it's job, but that doesn't mean it's crappy.

designman

No problem.

designman

I don't normally do this but I am compelled to edit a statement in my post #232 that was not articulated properly.

ORIGINAL:
I don’t have an interest in BMWs because they are like "many car makers."

EDITED:
My interest in BMW is not because they are like "many car makers."

There, now I feel better ;-)

shipo

Actually I think that you articulated the original post quite well as my first reading of it matched your edit. ;-)

Best Regards,
Shipo

jedgar

Test drove the e92 335i coupe on a whim and ended up trading in my beloved 2002 M-roadster (Steel Gr/ Imola; S54 315HP)without much hesitation. Not anywhere near the raw upper-rev blast of the S54 engine, but the low end torque and consistency of the punch makes up for it (not to mention the roominess and tech-heavy luxary compared to the spartain M-roadster). The exhaust note is sublime. I'm banking on the potential of this powerplant being much higher than the S54 due to the software tunability of the twin turbo format. Its a true riot in the mid-range, and the handling is very precise without the jarring tautness of an M-car. Breaks better (even with lesser hardware and more mass) than the S54 MZ3. I opted for all options sans cold-weather package and active-cruise.... sparkling graphite/ coral red (girlfriend calls it "hooker red"), brushed aluminum trim. Two months wait, as per standard special order..... $1500 off MSRP, sadly limited. Some hate the active steering, but I loved it. The i-drive is clumsy compared to other systems, but I thought I'd give it a go.

J.Edgar

dhanley

I was thinking of graphite/coral myself... Are you thinking of posting any pictures?

It's great to hear that the car can replace a z3M!

Of course, cold weather is one of the new options i definitely DO want, here in the chilly north.

designman

Hmm, I’ll have to run this by an editor as I am not exactly a crackerjack with the technical aspects of language. The original sentence played games in my head. I see it making the statement that I have no interest in BMWs and as you know this is not the case. Perhaps you inferred what I meant? But thanks for the reply. You surely are a good writer but, as you probably know, even the best of writers have their manuscripts hacked to pieces.

;-)

kdshapiro

Congrats and good luck with your new purchase.

jedgar

"I was thinking of graphite/coral myself... Are you thinking of posting any pictures?"

I will when it arrives. Should be here in 6-8 weeks, as I just ordered it on Tuesday. They had a graphite/black and a space gr./coral (both auto), so I got a pretty good idea of what to expect. The coral-red is much brighter red than the imola-red of my M (which is sort of oxblood), but not as orange hued as some pics I've seen. I still havent seen the aluminum trim on one yet.

shipo

You surely are a good writer but, as you probably know, even the best of writers have their manuscripts hacked to pieces.

Thanks, the same can be said of you as well! So far at least, my first manuscript (all 800 pages of it) has only been seen by my eyes. It may be some time yet before we will know if that ever changes. ;-)

Best Regards,
Shipo

circlew

jedgar, let us know which tires they are putting on your new e92. I assume they are the runflats.

Best of luck and safe driving!

herf

Businessweek has a positive review of the 335i.

link title

circlew

Does anyone know if there is a plan for '07-'08 xi version of the 335 w/turbo?

rockylee

Yes it's coming out early next year.

Rocky

herf

My dealer told me it is coming in March - and it is in the BMW brochure as well.

Same engine, I think it cost about 2k more, weighs about 200lb more, and sits and inch higher. I recall something about not getting the sports suspension hardware also.

jedgar

They are definately the 'performance runflats' with the sport package & 18" wheels. I hate runflats, but looks like BMW is only doing standard tires on the M's now. I've heard that they're Bridgestone potenza's of some sort. I'm ordering a set of wheels and tires from tirerack when I get closer to delivery. BTW, you have to purchace 4 'tire pressure' sensors for about $200 with a new set of wheels or you get error messages from iDrive due to the TPM not reading the pressure.

cbanct

When is Edmunds doing a review of the new 335i sedan? I recall in their review of the 335i coupe that the handling was not as buttoned down as the 330i sedan. Having driven the 335i coupe, the handling seems great to me. The Businessweek review on the 335i was very insightful.

gcsads1

I just saw the pictures on Inside Line of the new hardtop conv. I was wondering if anyone else thought it was weird that the trunk lid wasn't open at all in the picture of the top in action? I would have thought it would open first, then the top would start to fold.

pat

The 5-Series discussion is thataway -->

erickpl

And thanks to the reshuffle of threads, it is read only.

-Paul

pat

The idea is that you create a discussion for what you want to discuss.

Here you go: BMW 5-Series: 535/550 Rumors. I moved the posts there. Have fun!

mefromfl

I'm looking into buying the 335 sedan, this will be my first BMW, how much are guys getting for these at standards? Which optionals are good add ons? How low will they go if I negociate for this car? I live in Tampa florida so if anyone knows a good deal please let me know. And how much is an oil change for this car if it's said it's changed every 15k miles.

kdshapiro

With regard to the pacages, if it were me, I would get leather, comfort access, upgraded radio, sunroof, steptronic. Unless it gets really, really cold in Tampa you probably can live without the cold weather package. The car will cost you out of pocket $0.00 for the first four years or 50,000 miles. Full maintenance is included.

fedlawman

With regard to the packages, if it were me, I would get...none.

No factory options. All I'd need is a set of H&R coilovers and Bridgestone RE-01R's.

mefromfl

What's a good price for the 335i sedan? What does ED means, what does invoice and msrp means? Which price should i stay under and over?

fedlawman

ED stands for European Delivery. Realistically, you should be able to negotiate a price somewhere near the middle between invoice and MSRP, depending on where you live.

carnutfan

when are these coming?

mefromfl

Sorry for the stupid question, but I was not able to find the invoice price for this car on edmunds.com, can you give me the invoice price for this car and the msrp with everything standard.

shipo

When are what coming?

kdshapiro

If you're referring to the 335i coupe or sedan, you can order than today.

x328ci

Hey I ordered my 328xic to be made last week. My last bmw was on the lot does it really take 6-8 weeks to get to me or is it sooner?

jimbres

Hey! Yes, it might take that long or even longer. I waited 11 weeks a few years ago for deliver of my factory-ordered 330i. But I'd rather wait than settle.