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But, thank you for your thoughtful posts, and your Camry order--and I hope that your research into our Camry will leave you feeling reassured that you are purchasing a very high quality and generally problem-free vehicle. We have close to a half-million people purchasing the Camry every year, and the majority has been extremely satisfied with the product; many return for repeat purchases.
As you have learned from these forum discussions, there have been a few vexing transmission "glitches" for a very small number of our 2007 customers-the most visible being the snap ring issue on the 6-spd automatic, which has been addressed and resolved. We also issued a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) earlier to solve a shift flare issue that would occur on a very small number of vehicles, and we also published a TSB last week to resolve a harsh downshift reported by a few customers in their 4 cyl Camrys with the 2AZ-FE engine and automatic transmission (Ref TSB TC010-06 Aug 11, 2006).
The point TMS USA is making is that we stand by the quality, dependability and reliability of our cars and trucks, and we are working hard to be even more responsive to the voices of our customers, so that when unexpected issues do arise, we can react more quickly to achieve resolution. This is what we have done for the Camry--and listening to participants within these forums and participating where appropriate has proven to be an integral part of the process of assuring high vehicle quality and a customer experience that rivals that quality.
Thanks again for your thoughts and insight.
8/11/2006 - 2006 – 2007 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 2AZ-FE engine and 5-Speed ATM produced BEFORE the Production Change Effective VINs shown.
Some 2006 – 2007 model year Camry vehicles equipped with the 2AZ-FE engine and U250E automatic transaxle (ATM) may exhibit a harsh 5–4 downshift under the following conditions:
�� ATM at normal operating temperature
�� After driving above 45 mph (72 km/h)
�� Decelerating through 28 mph (45 km/h)
The line pressure control solenoid assembly (SLT) has been improved to reduce this condition on customer complaint vehicles.
Before: VIN 4TBE46K*7U58269, 4T1BE46K*7U569643 and ...
For 2006 and 2007 Camry before a production change was made.
Before: VIN 4TBE46K*7U58269, 4T1BE46K*7U569643 and JTNBE46K*73033467.
Replaces a Line Pressure Control Solenoid Assembly.
evidently he's championed the resolution of a few other posters and no doubt could facilitate resolution of your issue.
TMSUSA, can you please answer whether his vehicle is affected?
Damon34, it seems that you need to look at the TSB. I don't know how you can look though. Can you ask the dealer? Please keep us posted.
He has a hesitation/delay in the acceleration/downshift on his car!
Do you feel the downshift? Is it harsh?
That's what the TSB covers!!!!!
There is a different TSB for some 2005 Camrys with the same 5-4 symptom.
You also get a 5-4 downshift with forced acceleration or when requested by cruise control at over 48 mph. At 65 mph (2,100 rpm), the rpm will jump to 2,900 rpm when the transmission shifts from 5-4.
Feeling it and being harsh are two different things.
I would say as I said before, that this TSB does not pertain to you.
I was in the market to purchase a Camry and now I'm in the market to purchase a different product.
It would take a lot to convince me that Toyota product is worth buying. From all of this I would say Toyota is going down the toilet but quick.
Absolutely turned off. Maybe when Toyota can get their mechanicals back to superior status and stop decontenting their vehicles I possibly will look again in the future.
People that have problems are always the first to post
Check it out!
I'm not going to be purchasing any car with thorough research.
Granted, it's a best-seller, but lots of these cars go to fleets. I doubt someone that just drove a rental is going to complain on a woes forum. Conversely, Toyota brand loyalty is very high-- which should bring out more than the average number of die-hard Toyota apologists. But it seems that even in that respect the '07 model is getting a tepid reaction-- check out the 'Would you still buy one?' poll on the 6th gen Camry forum on toyotanation.com-- prompted no doubt by the '07 Camry discussions dedicated to transmission problems, hesitation, rattles and creaks, etc. Only ten responses so far, and the tone (on a forum dedicated to Toyota enthusiasts) is mixed.
Good driveability should be a given in a modern car-- it shouldn't be a consistent chart topper on the list of discussion topics on any model at any price range, from any manufacturer, or something fundamental is clearly amiss.
SO i just now call up the toyota customer service to talk to them again about the hesitation and of course they still have never heard about it. amazing that all of the people i have seen talk about the problem on here and they still acts stupid like it is the first time they have heard about it.
Well at least i have changed 6 other peoples minds about buying a camry and have talk to a bunch more about the car. I get alot of people ask me about my car,( My car does look [non-permissible content removed]) you can see it under damon34 but i dont ever say anything good about toyota. I tell them not to buy one.
tell him what would make you happy.
Eventually possibly but not when a hot new model first comes out. The maximum % on most Camry's traditionally has been ~12-15%. During this first year it's likely to be more in the 2-5% range - and many of them are TRAC vehicles.
Again the overall picture is that in 5 months there are upwards of 200,000 new '07's on the road now. by year end there will be nearly 450,000 units. Those like damon34 who are experiencing problems are certainly justifiied in being upset at the performance of the vehicle if they expected something else. Consider though that there are likelyto be 150,000+ very very happy buyers just like njerald.
This topic makes me wonder how many Toyota haters - either people working in the auto field that sell or fix other makes, or just the anti-import crowd - that are actually posting false info here to keep the thread going. Or how many people get overly sensitive to certain things their Camrys are doing based on all the hype in here. I subscribe to a large photography forum. It gets thousands of posts a day and is about high end digital SLR cameras. Whenever a new model comes out things like focus get tested, over tested and tested more with all sorts of results depending on the tester. One tester finds a problem and it gets blown way out of proportion with all the followers suddenly thinking they have the same problems when in all reality they have a perfectly normal camera. The internet breeds this. It is a source of good info but also can make people hear, see and feel things that aren't there. Then they post they are having the same problem and on and on and on. If you look at most of the posts in this topic a lot people aren't even sure they are having a problem and keep asking the same questions hoping someone will verify it so they can jump on board.
I know you look at me as a car salesman and probably biased to Toyota (been with them 16 years). I am one of the honest people in the business and consider myself the new breed of salespeople that actually care about their customers and the repeat business they bring. I also can only look at hard evidence that isn't affected by the hype a forum like this can bring. There are a lot of people that would love to see Toyota fail and this is a good anonymous medium to do help that cause especially at a time when Toyota is flying so high and the domestics are tanking.
We simply are not seeing the number of problems as seen here. Are there people here in the forum having legitimate problems - yes, no doubt. Are there more than any previous new models released by Toyota, Honda etc... no. Don't get caught up in all this. Find another forum or topic to read before you get talked into something that really isn't there.
and see if you feel the same. If anyone knows about any more newspaper articles put their addresses on this forum. Everyone that has a hesitation problem should E-Mail the newspaper auto reporter.
Forget the lemon law, I never heard of anyone that was satisfied with a lemon law judgement. Writing to as many newspapers as possible will get Toyota's attention faster!
I don't think there are too many very very happy buyers after reading this article!
Yesterday I was leaving a Costco parking lot. I pulled out into the street and at the some time someone was coming downhill towards me , so I figure I will give my car some gas , turn left and go . When I gave the car some gas the car didn't move { the car is still coming down the hill towards me } , so I press the gas pedal further at which point the car started moving but not fast enough but I finally did clear the first lane and turned left into the next lane. This is the first time in 1700 miles I needed the car to move fast and it didn't .
I'm wondering if I have a real hesitation problem or did I just feel that way because of reading these posts .....
All that said, I must say I tend to think your assessment of what may be happening is close to reality. Our car works fine, still no problems, and I've personally talked with a goodly number of others who own Camrys, Avalons, and other Toyota models to see if they are having any of these reported problems. While I'm not suggesting my findings are a comprehensive survey by any means, I haven't come across one complaint yet. Why am I finding only satisfied owners?Coincidence? Who knows, but it sure makes me wonder if some of the statements I read here are for real. I just can't see how this forum can be indicative of the vast majority of owners' experiences.
I saw an earlier post here saying this CW complaint forum is 62+ pages long, and that must mean something is very much amiss. Perhaps it is comprised of 62+ pages, but let's not lose sight of the fact that quite a bit of this forum is the same people posting many, many times. By no means is it 62+ pages of entirely different posters every time.
Now the Pittsburg Gazette article is being flaunted as a reason not to buy a Toyota. Well, if you read the article in its entirety, that's not what it says. The article itself is mainly the author's own opinions, and most of that is based on speculation, not fact. It reads like he ran out of meat and potatoes stories and used this one as a fill in. Besides, I believe that author has previously established himself as eminently biased against offshore automakers. Before getting all hot and bothered by what he wrote, I would strongly recommend waiting to see if other newspapers start saying the same things he said. I'm willing to bet that won't happen. I certainly haven't seen any of that sort of cricicism in all of the reviews I've read in magazines, consumer surveys, etc.
All this Toyota dissing begs the questions "Why" go to those extremes repeatedly, and "Why" blow things out of proportion so dramatically?. I can see if someone is really ticked about their car and wants to vent about it (and there are obviously some here who are, evidently for good reason). But why are others seemingly bent on putting Toyota out of business? Is their reason for being here just to vent, or is it to openly discourage people from buying anything Toyota? I'm sorry if this offends, but it sure looks like some of this goes beyond simply discussing problems.
I agree with you that what happens in forums like this one isn't the big picture, and should be taken with that in mind.
Everyone needs to read the article, mostly about Avalon, and all the recalls on it! Those don't seem to make it into the public press like all the other company's recalls!
I guess they have good damage control at Toyota, as far as PR machine goes.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Since then manufacturers have wised up and are settling lemon law cases with an offset for miles driven.
It's a two way street. Who's to say you're not a Toyota Company spinster? Seems to me that some dealers are acknowledging these problems and bending over backwards to help, while others are denying everything, not acknowledging the problems perhaps out of fear of losing sales volume?
I recall some of the same type of questioning validity when the 03 accord came out and started getting complain posts in the discussion.
Let's discuss the Camry woes and not each other. It's been an informtive discussion so keep it that way. Ignore the friction posts.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
1. Drive a 2007 Camry yourself, back to back with a 2006 Camry V6 and notice the differences in shift quality
2. Compare the shift quality with another comparable 6-speed transmission eg. Mazda6s with Aisin 6-speed transmission and compare the shift quality.
Appreciate your feedback.
1 - Why am I not stunned to see comments inferring that people are “posting false info here to keep the thread going.”? Well, THOSE posters don’t have to live with an ’07 Camry that does have the problem; THOSE posters don’t have to deal with Toyota Customer Experience Center personnel who: a - are almost impossible to contact, b - blow off owners who complain about hesitation issues, c - state that there is nothing wrong with the vehicle and that nothing further will be discussed; THOSE posters have not visited a number of other on-line forums and seen the frustrated owners reporting the same issues and the same condescending attitude on the part of their dealerships.
2 - Any vehicle with a problem like this should be made right by Toyota - by diagnosing and then fixing/replacing the improperly operating components/software, or by replacing the vehicle if the problem is unique and unrepairable. It’s sad that the days of the real mechanic, who would work hard to find a reason for operational problems, are over.
3 - And for toyotamover: You claim to care about your customers, so exactly how are you helping your two customers who state they have hesitation problems similar to the ones described in this forum. And if you have two - then it is reasonable to believe that there are more at other dealers. In fact, I would propose that a fair number of owners don’t have a clue as to how bad their 4-cyl ’07 Camry’s really are. I have a bad one and two other new vehicles that my dealer let me try exhibited the same problem, but to a lesser degree. Oh, my ’03 Camry 4-cyl would run away from this car, without even downshifting - wish I had it back.
Finally, I just returned from a 700 mile trip with my wife and another couple. We have frequently traveled together. My friend had driven my ’03 4-cyl Camry on trips and liked it very much. He was looking forward to driving the ’07 as he is buying a new vehicle for his wife in the next few weeks. After 15-20 miles, and without my saying anything about the issues with my car, he turned to me and said, “I can’t believe how weak this car feels - it just won’t accelerate (at 70mph) or climb a hill without downshifting all the way to 3rd gear and thrashing itself at 5k rpm, and it can’t hold speed on the slightest of upgrades.” Also my wife, who was aware of how frustrated I was with the car, got to experience it on the trip and told me to “get rid of it - it just isn’t worth the aggravation!”
Still waiting for Toyota to respond to this issue with some honest feedback .
I came to these forums over a year ago hoping someone could have some insight into why my dad's Highlander had a terrible hesitation off the line and in high demand situations (merging, for example). No one had any real help. Toyota never admitted they had a problem. I have an old classmate who is a sales manager at a Toyota dealership and not even he would admit there was a problem -- when there is a problem. That was then, with a different vehicle. This stream is now, with Camry. Toyota's got some problems with their transmission engineering is all I can say.
Over and out.