I had a Honda Accord in 03 with the same problem Same answer too Change gasoline. I used Coastal then Mobil. Finally the dealer replaced the catalytic converter with little hassle and no problems
Hi Roman Here's a site that has TSB's. I'm taking my car to the dealer on Monday to have them look at the creaking and rattling in the dash and center console. Hope this helps.
My rear dash was doors were rattling due to the JBL stereo (which can get pretty loud and puts out a lot of bass) and they insulated the doors and put a special tape around the frames and the rattles are gone.
Anything rattling is covered under the warranty so they SHOULD fix it.
My center console "creaks" sometime but it is due to my arm being on it and my are moving with the bumpsof the road......but you can't hear it with the radio on so it isn't a big deal for me.
Well, so far so good. I am not experiencing any delays and I will have to see if I experience any engine flarring, because the engine had only flared a few times. The service person said that the TSB resets the ECT-i and that it would "re-program" itself after about 200 or so miles.
The car is driving better and I am no longer experiencing a hard downshift when coming to a stop or slowing down around 20-35mph. The car is shifting smoother as well. I guess we'll have to see if my gas mileage improves too due to the TSB.
Also, I "qualified" for another TSB, TSB TC010-06, which deals with a harsh 5-4 downshift on deceleration. My dealer didn't have the solenoid assembly there and said to see how the vehicle drives and if I need to to come back for the other TSB, which I definitely will no matter what.
This is my first post. I have a 2007 XLE with 5,000 miles on it with the same problem. I only drive the car on weekends so I don't have much time behind the wheel but I realize now that it had this problem from the beginning. In addition to the hesitation it stays in a lower gear while coasting with your foot off of the gas much like putting the trans in 3rd gear going down a hill. I took it to the dealer and had it recalibrated. I can honestly say that I felt an improvement before I even left the parking lot. However, the improvement was only probably 80%. It is shifting better but not properly. In fact yesterday at times it felt as bad as it did originally. We all definitely need to stay on top of them and force them to come up with a fix ASAP.
Hello, I agree we all need to get word out the best we can. My v-6 SE is still experiencing the flare problem after a new trans. I've had the car at the dealership twice and they can't duplicate the problem so they say. I think they ae protecting themselves from a buy back? I thank everyone that has offfered info. about these problems. Also, please indicate when posting if you have a 4 or 6 cylinder chuck
I have something they call a flare in the 4 cylinder; but so far only with the brake pedal depressed. One mechanic duplicated it, so they gave me a loaner. The one detailed to work on it has been taking it home to try to duplicate it, but has not so far. I'm not sure what he'd do if he did duplicate it. But when it happens (four times to me and once to the first mechanic), it terrifies me and any driver near me.
My wife and I went shopping yesterday for a new car for her. We test drove all the brands -- except Toyota which we had test driven six months ago. Fortunately, we found this board before I bought a 2007 Camry or 2007 Avalon that I was planning on buying. And, my wife had liked the new RAV.
Every salesperson we had yesterday had heard of the Toyota transmission / engine hestitation problem. One salesperson told us that the used car auctions are full of used 2007 Camrys! The dealers auction them off on the wholesale market, because they don't want problems from the buyers.
After I bought my new 2007 car, I even had a call from my dealer asking me for the address of this site. A friend of the person calling was thinking of buying a 2007 Camry, and he wanted to caution him. (My dealer also owns a Toyota dealership.)
I just checked E-Bay, and I found 9 used 2007 Camrys listed: a V/6 SE with 5,125 miles; a V/6 XLE with 12,637 miles; a 4 cyclinder SE marked "used" and 0 miles; a 4 cylinder CE with 4,750 miles; a 4 cylinder LE with 1,440 miles; a 4 cylinder SE marked "used" and 0 miles; a 4 cylinder LE with 9,748 miles; a V/6 XLE with 6,611 miles; and a 4 cylinder SE with 18,900 miles.
Agreed, especially considering Toyota sold just under 450, 000 Camrys last year... finding 9 on Ebay or where ever is nothing. How many other auto companies sold 450, 000 cars last year?
As for the salesmen from other rival dealerships.... what did you expect them to say? "Oh no, I've never heard of a Toyota Camry having a problem. By the way, can I interest you in this Saturn?" lol
Be aware that anytime you initially apply the brakes and if you were in OD the lockup clutch will be disabled resulting in a looser engine/transaxle coupling which you might think of as "flare".
How absurd it is for you to criticize another customer’s complaint about acceleration hesitation on the Toyota 2007 V4 Camry AT when you admit that you don’t own one and apparently have not driven one but based your ignorant comment on your experience with other models and the lighter Solara with a more powerful V6 engine.
You sound like a lawyer but you your arguments are shallow and even ludicrous. You say, “You can’t file suit for something that you don’t like.” That’s not true. If you don’t like a car solely because of its relatively poor performance which does not constitute danger in anyway , of course there shouldn’t be any lawsuit. But if people don’t like a car because its poor performance constitutes danger to the customers who have not been informed of the problem and the manufacturer and dealership refuse to correct the problem, surely a class action lawsuit can be brought against the manufacturer. (Many new vehicles have warning labels on the window informing customers that the vehicle comprises material known to cause cancer. So this is a valid case of caveat emptor.)
We don’t file class action lawsuit on bombs that work properly but innocent people who got injured or have relatives killed by bombs that explode in friendly soil in the time of peace due to manufacturing defects surely can bring a class action lawsuit on the manufacturer of the bombs. We don’t file class action lawsuit on R-rated movies even when they glorify gang violent provided that they are available to mature viewers only. But if a movie theatre is found to have intentionally let minors into a theatre to see an R-rated movie, a lawsuit against the theatre is very appropriate.
There is a difference between poor acceleration and acceleration hesitation. With poor acceleration, a driver may press harder on the gas pedal to increase the speed of the vehicle in real time. With acceleration hesitation, which can be the result of bad programming of the drive by wire system, the bulk of the acceleration doesn’t come in real time no matter how hard you step on the gas pedal.
Certainly, a driver who knows about the acceleration hesitation of the 2007 V4 Camry AT can adjust his or her way of getting into the freeway by accelerating earlier if the driver already knows about the problem and if the acceleration lane is long enough. However, if the driver does not know about the problem and the acceleration lane is a short one, the acceleration hesitation can be very hazardous. Worst still, the acceleration hesitation, as reported by some owners or previous owners, does not happen consistently in the same vehicle and may not happen at all as reported by very few owners. This lack of consistency of the 2007 V4 Camry AT in response to the same driving control especially in the same vehicle is a danger a driver cannot overcome just by adjusting the driving habit and must be dealt with seriously by Toyota.
Is the 2007 V4 Camry a lemon? Certainly not. Comparing to the performance of the automobiles in the early days when automobiles were going at say, 30 mph, the 2007 V4 Camry is a super car. On the other hand an antique automobile in good condition that can go at 30 mph would be consider a vehicle too dangerous to drive on today’s freeways. So whether a car is dangerous or not is not an absolute but a relative issue. If someone drives the 2007 V4 Camry AT in Canada or Alaska or in some country states, where there is less traffic and the acceleration lane to the freeways are relatively long, the driver may not realize there is a problem at all or doesn’t t care about the acceleration hesitation. But when someone drives it in states with heavy traffic like California and in hilly areas, where normal acceleration is essential, the problem becomes obvious and intolerable.
You claim that it appears that only about 5% of the 2007 Camry has transmission problems or acceleration hesitation caused by the drive by wire transmission, but your claim is only a fantasized figure not supported by facts. I have made a statistic calculation regarding reviews of the 2007 LE V4 Camry AT on another website. Of the latest 70 reviews, 55 reviews report either transmission problems and /or acceleration problems (poor or hesitation) which is likely to be caused by the bad drive by wire transmission. That is an eye-popping 78% complaint against the transmission problem or problems caused by bad transmission on that trim. That certainly justifies a recall of the 2007 V4 Camry AT. One 2007 V4 Camry AT owner says that he or she traded the 2007 Camry in after having a few near collisions where the car would hesitate when acceleration was needed. Some others mentioned they traded in the V4 Camry when they realized that the transmission and the acceleration associated with it was dangerous.
Toyota may try to save face by launching a voluntary service campaign instead of making a recall. But do we need complaints from a 100% of the owners of a vehicle to justify a recall? When there is a problem related to safety issue, isn’t 78% complaint rate severe enough? When there is a problem with safety issue, a responsible company would fix the problem for all customers even when a small percentages of the customers fail to realize the problem or that the problem does not bother them because of their easy driving environments.
Does Toyota wants to wait until its customers get into accidents before they will do anything to solve the problem?
I purchased a 2007 Camry in March 2006 from one of the leading dealers in California. The car has repeatedly gone back for all sorts of problems - primarily transmission and braking systems - both have been replaced and the car has been in the shop more than I have driven it, and it isn't one year old yet! I have the same complaints - jerking, hesitation and more, just like many of you and Toyota said "working as designed - no problem." I turned it over to a Lemon Law Attorney and successfully settled the case. I also had a 2005 Camry and the Power steering pump and various belts fell off in the middle of the street, literally. It was only 14 months old. The Lemon Law basically states if you take the car back 4 times, then it's a Lemon. Toyota knows about this problem and is really dupping the public with this new model. For those who have been pleased with Toyota - great! But, I will never purchase another Toyota. I have had bad customer service and unethical practices from four dealers in California. If you need a great attorney to help settle your case, I highly recommend Norman Taylor & Associates - www.normantaylor.com. He wrote the book on the Lemon Law - literally. Check out his site and get rid of your problems -once and for all. Don't let Toyota get away with it - you can get every penny back and that's the law. End the headaches. Good luck!
I have driven the new 2007 Camry. I know many owners, most of whom have no problems, a couple have complained of the hesitation. My wife chose the '07 Solara for her vehicle because of the looks, I would have chosen the XLE 4c Camry for it's looks. Guess who won out.
Despite your long-winded post, you still cannot file a class action suit simply because you don't like something, such as a dinner or a movie. ( BTW your reading comprehension needs some work. Note I was talking about a movie that bombs not an explosive bomb ).
Your comments about drawing a conclusion from one site with 70 comments is a logical fallacy for two reasons. a) It's not random. Do you know for certain that of the 55 complainers all 55 are not the same person under different alias'. No there is no way to determine that. You do realize that one poster or group of posters can change that ratio overnight to 1500 positive reviews with no hesitation and 55 reviews with hesitation. b) 70 is far too small a number of entries to draw any conclusion. It's called reasoning from a the particular to the general which is a fallacy. 70 total entries out of 450,000 new owners ( increasing at the rate of ~40,000 / month ) is a very very small and statistically irrelevant number.
I have always said on this forum that those that have an issue with the way the vehicle drives should have it fixed to improve the driving experience. I also believe strongly that the issue resolves itself over time as the vehicle and the owner become familiar with each other. This I admit is only my opinion. OTOH, If as you note some are not happy with the way the vehicle drives then those owners should not drive it and probably should sell it or trade it.
BTW, there is no V4 Camry.
There is no indication that you now own or have even driven a new '07 Camry yet. From your repeated erroneous statements about a 'V4' you show a specific lack of knowledge about the vehicle.
Thus, in summation ,I'd feel safe in saying that you have never even seen one under the hood, know very little about automobiles in general and have just discovered this site and this topic last week ( 1/18 ). Jumping onto the 'bash wagon' is easy to do.
Here is a serious question for you. If 90-95% of the vehicle owners do not feel that there is anything wrong with the vehicle and 5-10% feel it oould drive better, do you have a mechanism that improves the driving for the smaller segment and does not inconvenience the larger segment? If you have a perfectly performing vehicle would you want someone to change something on your vehicle ( recall ) because a very small number people report bad driving experiences? Or, does it make sense just to address the specific issues of those that do have the problems?
Unlike you, I own a 2007 4 cylinder Camry. No one told me about the fact that I'd have to train the on board computer to drive when I bought the car, nor is there any mention of that feature in the reviews or on the Toyota website. The first I heard of it was from the mechanic at the Toyota dealer. It's not fixable because of the design; that's the way it's designed. I expect asking the service manager at a large Toyota dealer would be considered a reasonable way of getting accurate information by many people, and that's what he told me.
>If 90-95% of the vehicle owners do not feel that there is anything wrong with the vehicle
I can guarantee you lots of blue hairs around here bought Camrys and would have no idea if it is deficient in a manner that causes lag. So their cars may be defective, but they don't "feel that there is anything wrong with the vehicle."
MY DAUGHTER OWMS A 2007 CAMRY V6. IT HAS BEEN TO THE DEALER 3 TIMES FOR TRANSMISSION PROBLEMS. FIRST THEY REPLACED THE VALVE BODY. THEN THE TRANSMISION WOULD NOT ENGAGE INTO DRIVE. THEN IT CONSTANTLY UPSHIFTS VERY JEKY BY 2,000 RPM. THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 28,000 DOCUMENTED COMPLAINTS NOT ONLY ON THE V6 TRANSMOISSION BUT THE V4 ALSO, TOYOTA HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE 2007 NEW TRANSMISSION WHICH CANNOT BE FIXED. I KNOW THE NHTSA IS WORKING ON THE MATTER AND WILL SOON RENDER ITS' DECISION AS TO REQUIRE THE TOTAL RECALL OF ALL 2007 V6 AND V4 TRANSMISSION CAMRYS AND REQUIRE TOYOTA TO REPURCHASE THEM FROM THE OWMERS AT THEIR INVOICE COST PLUS PAY FOR ALL TITLE AND SALES TAXES AS WELL. THE NHTSA MAY ALSO PROHIBIT ANY CAMRYS FROM BEING SOLD IN THE U.S. UNTIL THEY DEVELOP A NEW TRANSMISSION WHICH MAY TAKE 2 OR MORE YEARS. ITS' TIME TOYOTA OWNED UP TO THEIR FAULTY TRANSMISSION PROBLEM BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T THEY WILL GO FROM NUMBER 1 TO DEAD LAST AS FAST AS A RAIN DROP HITS THE GROUND.
I'm puzzled. Presumably "blue hairs" have been driving for a long time. Why wouldn't they be aware if they press on the gas pedal and get no response that something isn't wrong? :confuse:
Or are you saying that older people are less likely to stomp on the gas in the first place?
Second, the day NHTSA acts on this, I'll eat my gas cap.
They can't even issue an update of the antiquated 30+ year-old roof crush safety standard, and you expect them to take action on something that's only tangentially safety-related?
Third, I'll have to keep repeating Pat's post (he's a host here on Edmunds) in regard to "problems" forums being a statistical indicator of the frequency of occurrence:
Quote from another poster: You need to look at JD Powers or Consumer Reports to get a meaningful sample size.
Pat's response: Well, as I'm sure you know, there are plenty of folks who dispute both of those surveys for differing reasons.
But your point that judging quality based on an internet forum is risky at best and foolhardy at worst (my rewording) is spot on as I see it.
Thanks for your post. I have to say one of the things I hate to see around here is when people say, oh, there are all these problems, I'm not going to consider this car (whatever it is). As you say people who have problems are more likely to complain and taking those complaints as an across the board experience for any car is a big mistake.
jofallon, I've owned 4 Toyota/Lexus products since 1989, and currently own two of their products... an 07 Camry SE I4 5A and a RX350... but I KNEW that Toyota used learning transmissions since my old 95 Toyota Avalon. This is not new technology.
I've had the problem, and would be shocked at a required buy back. If the defect would cause the car to explode in flames, yes. Stumbling, Hesitation, Flaring.....as much as I hate it, I can't imagine someone dictating a total buyback. That's pretty far fetched.
toyota refers to the AT as ECT-i "electronically controlled automatic transmission" with intelligence.
note the lowercase "i". :shades:
i don't think you could get a room full of engineers to agree there's any intelligence inherent in the design (no i'm not talking about intelligence that went into the designing the thing in case i'm confusing anyone). i mean the system having intelligence. perhaps you couldn't get even one engineer to suggest as much.
if you were to ask a room full of people with the car and the accompanying hesitation, flare or erratic shifting behaviors they experience and i think you'd come to the same result.
it must be a marketing gimic - perhaps one the company might exclude in future literature until they get it right.
Reading these forums is like watching Comedy Central.
In reading this and other forums, it would seem that everything is wrong with the new Camry: rattles, squeaks, noises brakes, front end; flaring from the transmission while in PARK?; sharp edges; misfit panels; lousy seat fabric, poor leather quality; poor gas mileage; wind noise; engine noise; ride is too soft; ride is too hard; small trunk; NAV is lousy; heater doesn't work like I'm used to; lousy audio components; poor rear wheel well material; poor paint; poor headlights; no LED taillights; poor cupholder design; no fold down seats on XLE and SE models; no recalls yet; lights and door lock operation needs to be changed; starter noise at -15 degrees; auto light is too sensitive; interior lights are too bright; steering noise/vibration; windshield scratches; brittle windshields; fuel gauge problems; no bodyside moldings; drivers power window control is lousy; option package choices are lousy; and of course hesitation, flaring, snap ring issues with the transmission/ECM programming. These are just off the top of my head.
The transmission/ECM hopefully is finally done and other TSB's have been issued on minor items. The dealers do not have the solutions to most of these "problems" unless directed by Toyota.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I'm repeating myself...
Debate about Toyota as a manufacturer belongs in any of the appropriate discussions on the Automotive News & Views board. Here, we are talking specifically about problems with the 07 Camry - NOT Toyota issues in general.
I'm being extremely generous in the estimation because there were 55 people on one site and maybe 100 on this site complaining of valid issues. That's 150 people out of 450,000 delivered. Until shown otherwise that's 0.033% so I multiplied it by 300 to take into account the multitudes who do not know that the internet exists. That's 30,000% more serious. Thirty thousand percent!
Yours is a very valid point in my view. I have seen the progression of DBW vehicles from the mid-90's onward but I do recognize that for many people buying a vehicle is may a thrice in a lifetime event and keeping abreast of developments is of little or no concern.
It would have been useful if Toyota and the others now implementing the DBW systems had alerted the public and the respective sales forces that since 2000 vehicles are very different than the last 100 years. Where they were basic mechanical devices in the past they are now rolling computers, mobile living rooms, a audio studio on wheels, a multi-energy-source launch platform for the next century.
Oh, you ( the driving public ) just thought it was a means of transport like an enclosed powered bicycle that was a close cousin to it's 19th century predecessor?
Just as a free heads-up. If you are considering a new vehicle of any kind, seriously consider an Extended Service agreement. Nope, never get'em. Never needed one. At $1100-$1500 they are a potential bargain to having to replace the electronic components. Joe the corner mechanic and your brother-in-law are generally not trained to work on these vehicles. Just the cost alone of one component can be upwards of $2000, before labor.
I have a close friend who had a 4 y.o. electronically controlled transmission which began to 'throw codes'. When it was checked out there were two electronic controllers for the transmission that had to be replaced. They were not considered part of the tranny, just controllers for it. $4800 for the two parts plus labor and tax bringing the total to just under $6000. She did not have an Extended Service Agreement.
Congratulations for winning your Lemon Law case against Toyota on the 2007 Camry.
Looks like I was wrong in my last post to spare the 2007 Camry from being called a lemon (at least in your case I was wrong) in spite of the serious acceleration hesitation/transmission problems I experienced. I didn't know much about the lemon law so I did not try to return it but traded it in with huge lost of money.
You say you have had bad customer service and unethical practices from four Toyota dealers in California. You are not alone. I have had similar bad experience in the Toyota dealership where I bought my 2007 Camry. The final straw is that I received a parking ticket for the car that I had traded in to the Toyota dealership over a month ago even though I had repeatedly asked the finance manager if I needed to inform the DMV myself and was told repeatedly that I didn't have to do it myself as the Toyota dealership had already informed the DMV about it. There was no apology for me from anybody in the Toyota dealership for this outrageous mismanagement only that the finance manger said it was no big deal and that they would pay the ticket for me. Luckily, the new owner did not involved in a hit and run in which somebody witnessed the license plate or I would be in even deeper trouble. As I didn't want to have any illegal parking ticket under my name when I was not the one who broke the law I refused to do it their way. I wrote to the DMV to tell them that I had already traded in the car long before it involved in illegal parking and had the ticket removed from my name.
Adding insults to injuries, soon I found that the 2007 V4 Camry that I bought had serious acceleration hesitation problem due to the bad transmission.
It was the worst car buying experience I ever had. Just like you, I will never buy another Toyota.
By the way, I think the Toyota dealership in Alhambra CA that caused me to receive a parking ticket for the trade in vehicle should receieve an award-The Lemon Award for Custom Service. :lemon:
Your jumping into conclusion that I have never driven the new 2007 Camry is just as wrong as your absurd opinion in dicrediting the owner or former owner's complaint by alleging that all 55 reviews complaining about the transmission and/or acceleration hesitation could be the same person.
I did own and drive the 2007 V4 Camry AT for about 7 months. So much about your insight.
The final straw is that I received a parking ticket for the car that I had traded in to the Toyota dealership over a month ago even though I had repeatedly asked the finance manager if I needed to inform the DMV myself and was told repeatedly that I didn't have to do it myself as the Toyota dealership had already informed the DMV about it.
There is something fishy about this statement and the purported facts. I admit that each state might have differing laws but if I understand you correctly you traded in a vehicle for your '07 Camry, then the dealership apparently resold it immediately to someone else. That someone else then left the vehicle somewhere - with your old tags on it (!!!!!) - and got a parking ticket. Then DMV sent you the ticket notice since your tags were on the vehicle.
No 1. Always protect yourself. Why did you leave your tags on the old trade-in? Didn't you transfer them to the new Camry? ( CA laws? ). If you didn't transfer them, the tags are your responsibility, DMV gave them to you alone. How did the dealership give your tags to the new buyer? ( very very fishy ). Maybe you made this part up?
You can dislike the Camry for it's driving but please don't exagerate. Besides not taking the tags off your trade-in and returning them to DMV is your responsibility alone. ( disclaimer: I am not completely familiar with CA DMV regulations )
If you think that is absurd what weight do you give the 450,245 other Camry owners who do not feel it's worth posting anything about the vehicle either positive or negative. It's just a car that does what it's intended to do.
First of all, I did tell the truth. I didn’t make it up. It is a felony for anyone, including me, to make a false statement to the DMV regarding selling or transfer of a vehicle. I provided the DMV with a copy of Notice of Release of Liability from the Toyota dealership, which explicitly indicated that the trade in date was long before the date when the illegal parking occurred. That’s why the DMV agreed to remove my name from that parking violation. (I still have the original copy of the parking ticket and the Notice of Release of Liability from the Toyota dealership to prove what I say. If I had made up the story, I would be guilty of slender.)
What do you mean by transferring the old tag to the new Camry? You know nothing about selling or transferring of vehicles but here you are insinuating that I lie and you dare to tell me what I should have done according to your ignorant opinion.
The old tag is stuck firmly on the license plate of the trade in vehicle and legally the old tag goes with the license plate of the trade in. It is wrong for you to tell people to remove the old tag from a trade in vehicle and stick it on the license plate of the vehicle that you just buy or return it to the DMV. Beside no new vehicles come with a license plate, so there is no license plate for you to put the old tag on. Also when you trade in your vehicle, the license plate goes with the trade in vehicle unless it is a personalized license plate. My trade in car did not have a personalized license plate. Another fact you should know is that when parking enforcement writes a parking ticket, the officer would write the ticket according to the license plate number, not the tag. So much for your advice of removing the tag.
The document that proved I was innocent of illegal parking was the Notice of Release of Liability of the trade in vehicle that Toyota gave me and the date of release was prior to the offence was committed. So even with the old license plate and the old tag on the trade in, if someone commits an offence and someone notes the license plate, I will eventually be vindicated. But nobody wants to have that kind of trouble so it is important that the seller informs the DMV about the trade in within 5 days using the form Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability even when anybody in the dealership promises that he will do it for you. On the day of the trade in, I asked the finance manager if I needed to inform the DMV myself within 5 days about the trade in. He answered that I didn’t have to do it myself because he would inform the DMV for me. Since he is a manager and it was the first time I traded in, I believed what he said. About a month later, I called him to ask if he had informed the DMV. He told me he had informed the DMV already, but a few days later I was shocked to receive a parking ticket of the trade in vehicle under my name and the violation date was long after the trade in date. So I went to the DMV to vindicate myself by providing them the facts and the ticket was removed from my name.
If the manager and the dealership had apologized to me and taken proper actions to correct the situation, I would have forgiven them. Too bad there was no apology and they only said they would pay the parking ticket “for me” (I didn’t do the illegal parking. How could it be for me?) and refused to take the responsibility of correcting the situation according to the facts, that’s why I gave them a lemon for customer service.
You accused me of exaggerating about the problem about the 2007 Camry. What make you think I exaggerate when I only complained about acceleration hesitation associated the DBW transmission. Actually I have five other things about the 2007 Camry that I should have brought up in the complaint but I didn’t because I think that would cause distraction from the major issue. So where is the exaggeration?
What happens to Toyota? Not taking the complaint of the customers seriously is not going to help it to maintain the leadership in the Japanese brands of the auto market.
Hello, I was wondering where you got this information that a decision was going to be made soon? I own a v-6 SE which has had many of the problems and I have also had my valve body and trans replaced that did'nt fix the flare problem. Please keep us informed, thanks
When you trade in a car and get a new car, the salesman should have asked if you wanted to keep your plates or get new plates. The registration form should reflect the decision made. If you keep your plates, you will receive just a registration for the new car and your old plates should go on the new car immediately after the transaction. Your copy of the registration form (completed by the dealer) is your legal registration until you receive the official one a few weeks later. If you get new plates, then the plates will be sent to you along with the registration. Then you have a temporary tag (license plate; normally in the window) and the copy of the registration form as your registration.
The mistake made is the license plates should have been removed from the car at the time the transaction happened. Either you or the salesman should have done it because those plates are assigned to you and that car. IF you get new plates then you are suppose to turn the old ones into the DMV (or hang them in your bedroom).***
It's no big deal since you got the ticket taken care of. I'm also surprised the dealership left the plates on the vehicle. That makes no sense to me.
*** Disclaimer: Not unless your state operates differently.
Ddon't hold your breath on this one. I think, as you might imagine that the ALL-CAPS poster was exagerating on this subject. Or he made an honest typo by adding 3 extra zero's at the end. It's not 28,000 complaints.....
.... it's 35 complaints here's the link ( search: 2007 - Toyota - Camry - Automatic Transmission ). That's thirty five!
I think it would be a good idea if people who don't live in California stop telling people who do what should have been done regarding license plates, DMV, etc. I don't live in California but it is my understanding the plate goes with the car, just as the poster said.
I also think it would be a good idea if we stopped accusing people of exaggerating. Believe them or don't believe them, ask questions or ignore them, but there's no reason to imply that the person is being less than honest, even if that's what you believe.
Sorry pat. I didn't think i was calling the OP a liar or think he/she was exaggerating. I was simply explaining how I thought transferring license plates was handled. this is how it is done in PA and NJ (I assumed it was common practice) and I even added a disclaimer at the bottom of my post. Also the OP stated that he/she had never done this before (trading a car) so I thought I was offering some advice.
If plates go with the car, as you are understand, I find that very odd. Too many bad things can happen...like what happened to the OP.
I just took delivery of a new 2007 V6 Camry. It now has 368 miles, and I love this vehicle. I traded a 2003 4 cylinder Honda Accord. My choices for a new vehicle were the Ford 500, the Mercury Montego, the Impala LT2, the Honda Accord, the Buick LaCrosse and / or the Toyota Camry. All would have been equipped with a V6 engine. I did not want the CVT transmission, and this was a big issue with the Ford 500! I could not locate an Impala with the 3.5 V6 and the LT2 package.(The LT3 came with the 3.9 V6 and I did not want this engine. Even this package was hard to locate. The LS, LT1 and LTZ were available easily). The seats in the Honda Accord were not comfortable, which is why I was trading in the 2003. In addition, the Honda still had the "blind spot" in the driver's outside mirror. The Camry had comfortable seats, no blind spot and it has all the creature comforts. Plus, the dealer is very near my home, which is a plus for service. I purchased a platinum 6 year / "0" deductible / 100,000 mile Toyota extended warranty for $1670.00, since I do a lot of traveling on the highway. My Honda Care Extended warranty paid $3,300.00 dollars in repairs over 88,000 miles. The original warrnty price was $895.00. So far I do not have any problems with this vehicle. Lets hope for the best. I also had the dealer remove the Bridgestone tires, and replace them with Michelin tires. I will not own a vehicle with Firestone or Bridgestone tires. Forty two people died in Ford Explorers with Firestone tires. :mad: ---Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades:
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Here's a site that has TSB's. I'm taking my car to the dealer on Monday to have them look at the creaking and rattling in the dash and center console.
Hope this helps.
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/index-post.html
My rear dash was doors were rattling due to the JBL stereo (which can get pretty loud and puts out a lot of bass) and they insulated the doors and put a special tape around the frames and the rattles are gone.
Anything rattling is covered under the warranty so they SHOULD fix it.
My center console "creaks" sometime but it is due to my arm being on it and my are moving with the bumpsof the road......but you can't hear it with the radio on so it isn't a big deal for me.
TSB link: http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/1161241200000_1161846000000_EG056R-06/index.ht- ml
The car is driving better and I am no longer experiencing a hard downshift when coming to a stop or slowing down around 20-35mph. The car is shifting smoother as well. I guess we'll have to see if my gas mileage improves too due to the TSB.
Also, I "qualified" for another TSB, TSB TC010-06, which deals with a harsh 5-4 downshift on deceleration. My dealer didn't have the solenoid assembly there and said to see how the vehicle drives and if I need to to come back for the other TSB, which I definitely will no matter what.
Other TSB link:
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Toyota/1155279600000_1155625200000_TC010-06/10061.htm- l
I will give future updates to let everyone know if the TSB was actually successful or if it was a temporary fix.
My v-6 SE is still experiencing the flare problem after a new trans. I've had the car at the dealership twice and they can't duplicate the problem so they say. I think they ae protecting themselves from a buy back?
I thank everyone that has offfered info. about these problems.
Also, please indicate when posting if you have a 4 or 6 cylinder chuck
Every salesperson we had yesterday had heard of the Toyota transmission / engine hestitation problem. One salesperson told us that the used car auctions are full of used 2007 Camrys! The dealers auction them off on the wholesale market, because they don't want problems from the buyers.
After I bought my new 2007 car, I even had a call from my dealer asking me for the address of this site. A friend of the person calling was thinking of buying a 2007 Camry, and he wanted to caution him. (My dealer also owns a Toyota dealership.)
I just checked E-Bay, and I found 9 used 2007 Camrys listed: a V/6 SE with 5,125 miles; a V/6 XLE with 12,637 miles; a 4 cyclinder SE marked "used" and 0 miles; a 4 cylinder CE with 4,750 miles; a 4 cylinder LE with 1,440 miles; a 4 cylinder SE marked "used" and 0 miles; a 4 cylinder LE with 9,748 miles; a V/6 XLE with 6,611 miles; and a 4 cylinder SE with 18,900 miles.
Check other models that have been out for 10 months.
Some people just like to wallow in innuendos with salesmen, each trying to show their superior information.
As far as ebay, anything can be found there so it doesn't surprise me.
People are experiencing problems with practically every new car. Just check the boards and other websites.....
As for the salesmen from other rival dealerships.... what did you expect them to say? "Oh no, I've never heard of a Toyota Camry having a problem. By the way, can I interest you in this Saturn?" lol
You sound like a lawyer but you your arguments are shallow and even ludicrous. You say, “You can’t file suit for something that you don’t like.” That’s not true. If you don’t like a car solely because of its relatively poor performance which does not constitute danger in anyway , of course there shouldn’t be any lawsuit. But if people don’t like a car because its poor performance constitutes danger to the customers who have not been informed of the problem and the manufacturer and dealership refuse to correct the problem, surely a class action lawsuit can be brought against the manufacturer. (Many new vehicles have warning labels on the window informing customers that the vehicle comprises material known to cause cancer. So this is a valid case of caveat emptor.)
We don’t file class action lawsuit on bombs that work properly but innocent people who got injured or have relatives killed by bombs that explode in friendly soil in the time of peace due to manufacturing defects surely can bring a class action lawsuit on the manufacturer of the bombs.
We don’t file class action lawsuit on R-rated movies even when they glorify gang violent provided that they are available to mature viewers only. But if a movie theatre is found to have intentionally let minors into a theatre to see an R-rated movie, a lawsuit against the theatre is very appropriate.
There is a difference between poor acceleration and acceleration hesitation. With poor acceleration, a driver may press harder on the gas pedal to increase the speed of the vehicle in real time. With acceleration hesitation, which can be the result of bad programming of the drive by wire system, the bulk of the acceleration doesn’t come in real time no matter how hard you step on the gas pedal.
Certainly, a driver who knows about the acceleration hesitation of the 2007 V4 Camry AT can adjust his or her way of getting into the freeway by accelerating earlier if the driver already knows about the problem and if the acceleration lane is long enough. However, if the driver does not know about the problem and the acceleration lane is a short one, the acceleration hesitation can be very hazardous. Worst still, the acceleration hesitation, as reported by some owners or previous owners, does not happen consistently in the same vehicle and may not happen at all as reported by very few owners. This lack of consistency of the 2007 V4 Camry AT in response to the same driving control especially in the same vehicle is a danger a driver cannot overcome just by adjusting the driving habit and must be dealt with seriously by Toyota.
Is the 2007 V4 Camry a lemon? Certainly not. Comparing to the performance of the automobiles in the early days when automobiles were going at say, 30 mph, the 2007 V4 Camry is a super car. On the other hand an antique automobile in good condition that can go at 30 mph would be consider a vehicle too dangerous to drive on today’s freeways. So whether a car is dangerous or not is not an absolute but a relative issue. If someone drives the 2007 V4 Camry AT in Canada or Alaska or in some country states, where there is less traffic and the acceleration lane to the freeways are relatively long, the driver may not realize there is a problem at all or doesn’t t care about the acceleration hesitation. But when someone drives it in states with heavy traffic like California and in hilly areas, where normal acceleration is essential, the problem becomes obvious and intolerable.
You claim that it appears that only about 5% of the 2007 Camry has transmission problems or acceleration hesitation caused by the drive by wire transmission, but your claim is only a fantasized figure not supported by facts. I have made a statistic calculation regarding reviews of the 2007 LE V4 Camry AT on another website. Of the latest 70 reviews, 55 reviews report either transmission problems and /or acceleration problems (poor or hesitation) which is likely to be caused by the bad drive by wire transmission. That is an eye-popping 78% complaint against the transmission problem or problems caused by bad transmission on that trim. That certainly justifies a recall of the 2007 V4 Camry AT.
One 2007 V4 Camry AT owner says that he or she traded the 2007 Camry in after having a few near collisions where the car would hesitate when acceleration was needed. Some others mentioned they traded in the V4 Camry when they realized that the transmission and the acceleration associated with it was dangerous.
Toyota may try to save face by launching a voluntary service campaign instead of making a recall. But do we need complaints from a 100% of the owners of a vehicle to justify a recall? When there is a problem related to safety issue, isn’t 78% complaint rate severe enough? When there is a problem with safety issue, a responsible company would fix the problem for all customers even when a small percentages of the customers fail to realize the problem or that the problem does not bother them because of their easy driving environments.
Does Toyota wants to wait until its customers get into accidents before they will do anything to solve the problem?
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Despite your long-winded post, you still cannot file a class action suit simply because you don't like something, such as a dinner or a movie. ( BTW your reading comprehension needs some work. Note I was talking about a movie that bombs
Your comments about drawing a conclusion from one site with 70 comments is a logical fallacy for two reasons.
a) It's not random. Do you know for certain that of the 55 complainers all 55 are not the same person under different alias'. No there is no way to determine that. You do realize that one poster or group of posters can change that ratio overnight to 1500 positive reviews with no hesitation and 55 reviews with hesitation.
b) 70 is far too small a number of entries to draw any conclusion. It's called reasoning from a the particular to the general which is a fallacy. 70 total entries out of 450,000 new owners ( increasing at the rate of ~40,000 / month ) is a very very small and statistically irrelevant number.
I have always said on this forum that those that have an issue with the way the vehicle drives should have it fixed to improve the driving experience. I also believe strongly that the issue resolves itself over time as the vehicle and the owner become familiar with each other. This I admit is only my opinion. OTOH, If as you note some are not happy with the way the vehicle drives then those owners should not drive it and probably should sell it or trade it.
BTW, there is no V4 Camry.
There is no indication that you now own or have even driven a new '07 Camry yet. From your repeated erroneous statements about a 'V4' you show a specific lack of knowledge about the vehicle.
Thus, in summation
Here is a serious question for you. If 90-95% of the vehicle owners do not feel that there is anything wrong with the vehicle and 5-10% feel it oould drive better, do you have a mechanism that improves the driving for the smaller segment and does not inconvenience the larger segment? If you have a perfectly performing vehicle would you want someone to change something on your vehicle ( recall ) because a very small number people report bad driving experiences? Or, does it make sense just to address the specific issues of those that do have the problems?
I can guarantee you lots of blue hairs around here bought Camrys and would have no idea if it is deficient in a manner that causes lag. So their cars may be defective, but they don't "feel that there is anything wrong with the vehicle."
>90-95% of
Where did you get 90% and 95%? Is it valid?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 28,000 DOCUMENTED COMPLAINTS NOT ONLY ON THE V6 TRANSMOISSION BUT THE V4 ALSO,
TOYOTA HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE 2007 NEW TRANSMISSION WHICH CANNOT BE FIXED.
I KNOW THE NHTSA IS WORKING ON THE MATTER AND WILL SOON RENDER ITS' DECISION AS TO REQUIRE THE TOTAL RECALL OF ALL 2007 V6 AND V4 TRANSMISSION CAMRYS AND REQUIRE TOYOTA TO REPURCHASE THEM FROM THE OWMERS AT THEIR INVOICE COST PLUS PAY FOR ALL TITLE AND SALES TAXES AS WELL.
THE NHTSA MAY ALSO PROHIBIT ANY CAMRYS FROM BEING SOLD IN THE U.S. UNTIL THEY DEVELOP A NEW TRANSMISSION WHICH MAY TAKE 2 OR MORE YEARS.
ITS' TIME TOYOTA OWNED UP TO THEIR FAULTY TRANSMISSION PROBLEM BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T THEY WILL GO FROM NUMBER 1 TO DEAD LAST AS FAST AS A RAIN DROP HITS THE GROUND.
Or are you saying that older people are less likely to stomp on the gas in the first place?
Second, the day NHTSA acts on this, I'll eat my gas cap.
They can't even issue an update of the antiquated 30+ year-old roof crush safety standard, and you expect them to take action on something that's only tangentially safety-related?
Third, I'll have to keep repeating Pat's post (he's a host here on Edmunds) in regard to "problems" forums being a statistical indicator of the frequency of occurrence:
Quote from another poster: You need to look at JD Powers or Consumer Reports to get a meaningful sample size.
Pat's response: Well, as I'm sure you know, there are plenty of folks who dispute both of those surveys for differing reasons.
But your point that judging quality based on an internet forum is risky at best and foolhardy at worst (my rewording) is spot on as I see it.
Thanks for your post. I have to say one of the things I hate to see around here is when people say, oh, there are all these problems, I'm not going to consider this car (whatever it is). As you say people who have problems are more likely to complain and taking those complaints as an across the board experience for any car is a big mistake.
IMHO, of course.
I've had the problem, and would be shocked at a required buy back. If the defect would cause the car to explode in flames, yes. Stumbling, Hesitation, Flaring.....as much as I hate it, I can't imagine someone dictating a total buyback. That's pretty far fetched.
My 1990 Mercury Sable had a "learning" engine; I don't know about the tranny. This was explained in the owner's manual.
note the lowercase "i". :shades:
i don't think you could get a room full of engineers to agree there's any intelligence inherent in the design (no i'm not talking about intelligence that went into the designing the thing in case i'm confusing anyone). i mean the system having intelligence. perhaps you couldn't get even one engineer to suggest as much.
if you were to ask a room full of people with the car and the accompanying hesitation, flare or erratic shifting behaviors they experience and i think you'd come to the same result.
it must be a marketing gimic - perhaps one the company might exclude in future literature until they get it right.
In reading this and other forums, it would seem that everything is wrong with the new Camry:
rattles, squeaks, noises brakes, front end; flaring from the transmission while in PARK?; sharp edges; misfit panels; lousy seat fabric, poor leather quality; poor gas mileage; wind noise; engine noise; ride is too soft; ride is too hard; small trunk; NAV is lousy; heater doesn't work like I'm used to; lousy audio components; poor rear wheel well material; poor paint; poor headlights; no LED taillights; poor cupholder design; no fold down seats on XLE and SE models; no recalls yet; lights and door lock operation needs to be changed; starter noise at -15 degrees; auto light is too sensitive; interior lights are too bright; steering noise/vibration; windshield scratches; brittle windshields; fuel gauge problems; no bodyside moldings; drivers power window control is lousy; option package choices are lousy; and of course hesitation, flaring, snap ring issues with the transmission/ECM programming. These are just off the top of my head.
The transmission/ECM hopefully is finally done and other TSB's have been issued on minor items. The dealers do not have the solutions to most of these "problems" unless directed by Toyota.
The spoiled American public has no clue!!!
Debate about Toyota as a manufacturer belongs in any of the appropriate discussions on the Automotive News & Views board. Here, we are talking specifically about problems with the 07 Camry - NOT Toyota issues in general.
Your cooperation would be very much appreciated.
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It would have been useful if Toyota and the others now implementing the DBW systems had alerted the public and the respective sales forces that since 2000 vehicles are very different than the last 100 years. Where they were basic mechanical devices in the past they are now rolling computers, mobile living rooms, a audio studio on wheels, a multi-energy-source launch platform for the next century.
Oh, you ( the driving public ) just thought it was a means of transport like an enclosed powered bicycle that was a close cousin to it's 19th century predecessor?
Just as a free heads-up. If you are considering a new vehicle of any kind, seriously consider an Extended Service agreement. Nope, never get'em. Never needed one. At $1100-$1500 they are a potential bargain to having to replace the electronic components. Joe the corner mechanic and your brother-in-law are generally not trained to work on these vehicles. Just the cost alone of one component can be upwards of $2000, before labor.
I have a close friend who had a 4 y.o. electronically controlled transmission which began to 'throw codes'. When it was checked out there were two electronic controllers for the transmission that had to be replaced. They were not considered part of the tranny, just controllers for it. $4800 for the two parts plus labor and tax bringing the total to just under $6000. She did not have an Extended Service Agreement.
Getting to be like PC printers. Give the printers away, and make the money on the parts (ink).
I'm personally rethinking my original decision to not buy an extended warranty.
Looks like I was wrong in my last post to spare the 2007 Camry from being called a lemon (at least in your case I was wrong) in spite of the serious acceleration hesitation/transmission problems I experienced. I didn't know much about the lemon law so I did not try to return it but traded it in with huge lost of money.
You say you have had bad customer service and unethical practices from four Toyota dealers in California. You are not alone. I have had similar bad experience in the Toyota dealership where I bought my 2007 Camry. The final straw is that I received a parking ticket for the car that I had traded in to the Toyota dealership over a month ago even though I had repeatedly asked the finance manager if I needed to inform the DMV myself and was told repeatedly that I didn't have to do it myself as the Toyota dealership had already informed the DMV about it.
There was no apology for me from anybody in the Toyota dealership for this outrageous mismanagement only that the finance manger said it was no big deal and that they would pay the ticket for me. Luckily, the new owner did not involved in a hit and run in which somebody witnessed the license plate or I would be in even deeper trouble. As I didn't want to have any illegal parking ticket under my name when I was not the one who broke the law I refused to do it their way. I wrote to the DMV to tell them that I had already traded in the car long before it involved in illegal parking and had the ticket removed from my name.
Adding insults to injuries, soon I found that the 2007 V4 Camry that I bought had serious acceleration hesitation problem due to the bad transmission.
It was the worst car buying experience I ever had.
Just like you, I will never buy another Toyota.
By the way, I think the Toyota dealership in Alhambra CA that caused me to receive a parking ticket for the trade in vehicle should receieve an award-The Lemon Award for Custom Service. :lemon:
The Lemon Award for Customer Service. :lemon:
I did own and drive the 2007 V4 Camry AT for about 7 months. So much about your insight.
There is something fishy about this statement and the purported facts. I admit that each state might have differing laws but if I understand you correctly you traded in a vehicle for your '07 Camry, then the dealership apparently resold it immediately to someone else. That someone else then left the vehicle somewhere - with your old tags on it (!!!!!) - and got a parking ticket. Then DMV sent you the ticket notice since your tags were on the vehicle.
No 1. Always protect yourself. Why did you leave your tags on the old trade-in? Didn't you transfer them to the new Camry? ( CA laws? ). If you didn't transfer them, the tags are your responsibility, DMV gave them to you alone. How did the dealership give your tags to the new buyer? ( very very fishy ). Maybe you made this part up?
You can dislike the Camry for it's driving but please don't exagerate. Besides not taking the tags off your trade-in and returning them to DMV is your responsibility alone. ( disclaimer: I am not completely familiar with CA DMV regulations )
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
What do you mean by transferring the old tag to the new Camry? You know nothing about selling or transferring of vehicles but here you are insinuating that I lie and you dare to tell me what I should have done according to your ignorant opinion.
The old tag is stuck firmly on the license plate of the trade in vehicle and legally the old tag goes with the license plate of the trade in. It is wrong for you to tell people to remove the old tag from a trade in vehicle and stick it on the license plate of the vehicle that you just buy or return it to the DMV. Beside no new vehicles come with a license plate, so there is no license plate for you to put the old tag on.
Also when you trade in your vehicle, the license plate goes with the trade in vehicle unless it is a personalized license plate. My trade in car did not have a personalized license plate. Another fact you should know is that when parking enforcement writes a parking ticket, the officer would write the ticket according to the license plate number, not the tag. So much for your advice of removing the tag.
The document that proved I was innocent of illegal parking was the Notice of Release of Liability of the trade in vehicle that Toyota gave me and the date of release was prior to the offence was committed. So even with the old license plate and the old tag on the trade in, if someone commits an offence and someone notes the license plate, I will eventually be vindicated. But nobody wants to have that kind of trouble so it is important that the seller informs the DMV about the trade in within 5 days using the form Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability even when anybody in the dealership promises that he will do it for you.
On the day of the trade in, I asked the finance manager if I needed to inform the DMV myself within 5 days about the trade in. He answered that I didn’t have to do it myself because he would inform the DMV for me.
Since he is a manager and it was the first time I traded in, I believed what he said. About a month later, I called him to ask if he had informed the DMV. He told me he had informed the DMV already, but a few days later I was shocked to receive a parking ticket of the trade in vehicle under my name and the violation date was long after the trade in date. So I went to the DMV to vindicate myself by providing them the facts and the ticket was removed from my name.
If the manager and the dealership had apologized to me and taken proper actions to correct the situation, I would have forgiven them. Too bad there was no apology and they only said they would pay the parking ticket “for me” (I didn’t do the illegal parking. How could it be for me?) and refused to take the responsibility of correcting the situation according to the facts, that’s why I gave them a lemon for customer service.
You accused me of exaggerating about the problem about the 2007 Camry. What make you think I exaggerate when I only complained about acceleration hesitation associated the DBW transmission. Actually I have five other things about the 2007 Camry that I should have brought up in the complaint but I didn’t because I think that would cause distraction from the major issue. So where is the exaggeration?
What happens to Toyota?
Not taking the complaint of the customers seriously is not going to help it to maintain the leadership in the Japanese brands of the auto market.
I own a v-6 SE which has had many of the problems and I have also had my valve body and trans replaced that did'nt fix the flare problem.
Please keep us informed, thanks
The mistake made is the license plates should have been removed from the car at the time the transaction happened. Either you or the salesman should have done it because those plates are assigned to you and that car. IF you get new plates then you are suppose to turn the old ones into the DMV (or hang them in your bedroom).***
It's no big deal since you got the ticket taken care of. I'm also surprised the dealership left the plates on the vehicle. That makes no sense to me.
*** Disclaimer: Not unless your state operates differently.
just transfer the "old license tag" to the new
vehicle.
.... it's 35 complaints here's the link ( search: 2007 - Toyota - Camry - Automatic Transmission ). That's thirty five!
I think it would be a good idea if people who don't live in California stop telling people who do what should have been done regarding license plates, DMV, etc. I don't live in California but it is my understanding the plate goes with the car, just as the poster said.
I also think it would be a good idea if we stopped accusing people of exaggerating. Believe them or don't believe them, ask questions or ignore them, but there's no reason to imply that the person is being less than honest, even if that's what you believe.
Thanks.
If plates go with the car, as you are understand, I find that very odd. Too many bad things can happen...like what happened to the OP.
Now back to Toyota.