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Toyota Camry Hybrid MPG-Real World Numbers

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  • Just returned from my monthly trip from Kansas City to Lincoln, NE. Round trip is about 450 miles. Now I had a slight tail wind from the south during the trip up. Heat wave from the southwest. and a cold front moved in wed and had a small tail wind coming home. Temperature on the return trip was about 61 degrees so the A/C was off. Seemed to be perfect conditions for a trip. Total MPG for the whole trip was 44.6 and the return leg was 50.2 - unbelievable. :) Speed contral was set at 66mph according to the speedo (which is reading ~3mph high) My tires are set at 40psi. so that might have helped. Heading to Alabama tomorrow -~2000 miles round trip. And the oil is being changed as I type to 0-20 synthetic.
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  • I accidentally left the fuel cap open a few weeks ago, which caused the check engine light to come on. I quickly fixed the situation, and indicator turned off. Ever since then, however, I have gotten very poor mileage – about 27 MPG on average. This is far *far* below the spec’d MPG. What can be done?
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    Welcome to the forum. What model vehicle are you getting this mileage on?
  • I have a Toyota Camry Hybrid.

    Thanks.
  • If you are using the computer readout to tell you the mpg, it might be in error due to leaving the cap off. If so, it should correct itself when you fillup next.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    Sounds to me the dealership might need to do a computer reboot on the MPG calculator and sensors.......
  • agnostoagnosto Posts: 205
    Wow, what an awesome vehicle is the 2007 TCH... I just got back from a trip (250 miles both ways) to a Zoo and my TANK AVG registered 46.1 MPG with 60-70mph in highway with temperature between 59-65F (my previous best one was 43.5 MPG)... unbelievable, the more I drive it the better the MPG gets, but definitely one needs to know how to drive a Hybrid in order to maximize FE... ;)
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 9,109
    Great numbers! You can share your mileage tricks over in the Toyota Camry Hybrid Driving Tips & Tricks discussion... unless they're a secret! :P

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  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    This may be worth repeating if I've already stated it elsewhere. For those of you manually calculating your FE and comparing it to the computer you're probably finding it coming up short. Mine is almost 1 mpg lower than what the computer shows (on lifetime average). My differecnce per tank has ranged from 3mpg low to 1 mpg higher. Granted with a high FE car like the TCH a tenth or so difference at fillup makes a huge difference so only by long term averaging can you see the real story.

    Others have verified this and I recently purchased a GPS system and compared my TCH to those readings. The speedometer registers about 2 to 3 mph high at 70. That's a decent margin of comfort for those of you still speeding :)

    The odometer also has an error and it's in the opposite direction as the speedometer. The odometer registers 1.5% low. I checked this over a 197 mile drive against the GPS unit and it has been verified by others.

    This counts for a substantial, but not all, difference in the calculated compared to computer FE.

    After 13,700 miles I am averaging 39.6 mpg by computer indication, 38.6 mpg by manual calculation and 39.1 mpg if I factor in the corrected actual miles traveled.

    I'm pleased that the computer is a lot closer to "real" mpg than my manual calculation, but there is still some error.

    My only guess is that the measurement of fuel at high usage levels is pretty accurate but when running on the "glide" of FE60 a lot that the minor amounts of fuel are not measured as accurately. That's just a guess, I'm no expert, but I can't imagine any measurement system being able to have a closer accuracy when it has to measure from almost 0 fuel used for sustained periods of "E" and "FE60" times up to high fuel usage levels during the 10 to 20 mpg runs averaged in.
  • Just returned from a business/vacation trip to Auburn, AL from Kansas City. Total mileage was 1960 miles and overall MPG was 40.7... Very very pleased.. Goin south was 42-43 and the return trip was 38-39. Destinct headwind on the return trip. Two people and luggage. Ride was very acceptable and we wern't tired after driving for eight hours. :) Sad thing was we didn't see a single 2007 Camry let alone a Hybrid on the entire trip
  • agnostoagnosto Posts: 205
    No secret... post# 85... for me, the fact is, the 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid is a truly amazing vehicle :)
  • newcarsnewcars Posts: 103
    The other day, my wife was driving our Camry. Believe it or not, for one good stretch she averaged almost 60 mpg. For the day she avaeraged almost 50!

    Don't ask me how but she did. And she was going as fast as the traffic, too.

    Wow!!!!
  • jbolltjbollt Posts: 737
    Just back from a weekend trip to Las Vegas. Full tank in Tucson...A/C on ECO, 2 people, 1 small suitcase. From Tucson, it involves some freeway at 75mph, and some 2 lane rural at 65mph. Many up and down hills. 42.1MPG Tucson to Vegas. Drove about 60 miles in and around town in Vegas, and maintained the tank reading at 42.0mpg. Filled tank in vegas, before entering the Interatate for the return trip. The return had some significant head winds, and the tank average was 41.4 when we arrived in Tucson.

    On the way to vegas, crossing Hoover dam traffic came to a stop and we inched a foot at a time for 35 minites...took that long to cover 1 mile...all on EV!!! No reduction in mpg!!! SWEET.

    The driving range is incredible! I ALMOST wish it was a smaller tank so I can get the full tank average sooner. I know, I am twisted!

    I now have 4900 miles on the odo, and getting the maintenance required soon message. Will schedule an oil change next week at the dealer.

    Gotta love this car!
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Finally cooled off enough for me to turn off the A/C (normally run on ECO). Several posters on the "other" forum state that A/C, even on ECO mode costs them 3 to 5 mpg. On my recent 125 mile trip where I have documented the trip mpg several times I was within the normal expectation for the trip with the A/C off and the temp at about 70. The same for the trip back and the temp had dropped to the mid 50's. Both trip mpg's were very close to my normal average for those same trips. (I really didn't expect to see 45+mpg on the trip from turning off my AC)

    I guess I'm curious if others really see a significant decrease in mpg from using their AC.

    My next experiment will be when it does drop to the 30's as it has also been suggested that I should expect a 10 to 15% drop this winter (another 3 to 5 mpg?).
  • grggrg Posts: 15
    I live in Colorado, and it the temperature can vary as much as 40 degrees in one day. So now that we are into "fall", instead of the A/C being on all the time on eco, it is on less, sometimes to help defrosting when it gets cold. And as yet, I haven't found much of a change at all in my mileage, still 38-42 mpg. I still wonder if using "B" when approaching a red light, etc., increases the battery charge and allows more electric glide...
    g
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    My elevation changes are not as dramatic as yours but I do live in "hilly" central WV. Some of the posters that suggest a large impact due to running AC were in "flat" country.

    If there is that much of an impact to them I would conclude it's because they run on mild battery boost more often and thus the ICE has to run to keep the battery charged for the AC.

    In the case of my hilly drives (and I still get 39.63 mpg overall)perhaps because my ICE is constantly on and off for up and down hills it keeps the battery charged incidentally with no incremental impact to overall FE? I say this because a lot of times while monitoring the NAV Energy screens I see the ICE charging the battery while there is excess hp being generated. I may be in a mode somewhere between FE of 40 to 60 but my battery is being charged while the ICE is still propelling the TCH.

    I will be curious to see how steady 30 degree temps affect the TCH milage from someone that gets good FE (like you). Keep me updated please. The same folks have suggested that all cars see a drop of 10 to 15% in the winter. On previous cars at 16 mpg I probably didn't notice it. However at 39+ I will notice a 10% drop easily. I'm still wondering though since a lot of my high FE is due to the battery will we see as much of a drop as a ICE only vehicle. The next few months will tell the story.
  • agnostoagnosto Posts: 205
    Does anyone know whether the A/C is OFF or ON when the ECO is ON (display shows ECO) and the A/C is OFF? Is it better to have the ECO mode OFF or ON for FE when the A/C is OFF??
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I have noticed I am able to "heat" with the ECO on or off, thus I have assumed that you simply have diminished power supply for the heating system in the ECO mode. I don't know if it works like the AC ECO mode but if I get cold I can always kick it off for full power. I would assume the ICE generates most of the heat needed for the heater so I can't imaging the ECO has the same impact for heat as it would for cooling.

    I too await the answer from someone more knowledgable.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I no longer can post on the "other" hybrid forum but I know many of them check these postings so I'll answer their question as well as post info for regulars here on edmunds.

    They were concerned that the FE calculated manually is as much as 2mpg different from the computer reading.

    I've had the same experience. If you don't fill up to the exact same spot in the tank (really hard to ensure) you may be off from tank to tank by several tenths of a gallon. Also if you are filling a "short" tank, that is maybe only after 300 miles rather than 600 miles the error will be even further exagerated. Example: with 300 miles the difference in 36 mpg and 38 mpg is 0.4gallons. Typically you won't be off that much but the error from the last fill up can exagerate the current tank as well.

    My manual averages vary from 2 to 3 mpg low to 1 mpg high as compared to the computer. However, over time and 14,500 miles I have found that the computer is within 1 mpg of my manual calculation.

    Now here's the rub. I expect my manual calculation to be accurate. However several GPS owners and my self (bought a new GPS) have verified that the odometer reads 1.5% low. When I "correct" the manual calculations over the life of my TCH I have made up over half of the discripancy.

    For me, my lifetime averages are:

    38.6 manual calculation
    39.6 computer reading
    39.2 "corrected" for odometer error

    There is still a difference, but I have found that the computer reading is closer than the manual. Bummer for a die-hard number freak like myself.

    I have not heard a good explaination about the rest of the error, but I know that in the natural gas business it's difficult to get an accurate measurement on a meter for low flows and high flows from the same meter. It's possible that the measurement of fuel usage (number of squirts from the FI nozzel)in the TCH has error in it and possibly in low fuel usage situation (pulse and glide) the computer may give inaccurate readings.

    Anyway, for what's it's worth, that's my 2cents on computer vrs manual calculations.

    By the Way, the speedometer also has about a 3mph error at 70mph. It does not effect anything but the speed reading as the odometer error appears to be tied to the computer. Also, the error in the speedo is in the opposite direction of the odometer error. Any correction in speedo (taller tires) makes the odometer error even further off.
  • Not to get off message, but what happened at that "other forum?" We miss you there!
  • jbolltjbollt Posts: 737
    Not to get off message, but what happened at that "other forum?" We miss you there!

    ditto
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    My decision. Let's just leave it at I withdrew my membership.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    1) Climbing a very long grade that will quickly deplete the battery -- it will be best to space out elecrtic assist evently through the whole climb than run efficiently for the fist half of it, and at some high RPM for the rest of it once the battery is spent.

    I read this on another post about wanting to have the ability to control manually when the battery would kick on for special circumstances.

    Those of you with the NAV system probably already know this, I'm not sure the dash display adequately shows this mode though for non-NAV systems. Typically when I am going up hill, reguardless of the grade, I am able to maintain a speed that not only gets me up the hill adequately quick, but recharges the battery at the same time.

    If I give it too much gas to speed up the battery goes to boost assist. I can let off a little and allow the ICE to generate excess hp with in turn allows the battery to charge while going uphill.

    Granted you may not go as fast as you want but it's possible to charge the battery in an uphill drive. Thus if you know there is a long strech of flat coming up and you want maximum battery charge available you can still achieve it.

    I live on a steep grade that typically costs me 0.1 mpg every time I drive home. Some times I make it up going down, but typically not as my ICE is running to warm up the car. However what usually hapens is that by the time I get up the hill, then next time I leave, I have a full green charge when I'm ready to pull out on the highway. This allows me to quickly speed up to the limit and back off and I am able to maintain between 40 to 50 mpg average FE all the way into town (4 miles) and at that point I can drive around town in E mode. It's not untypical for me to average 45 mpg on this regular frequent trip.

    I have found that I can pull away from a stop sign in E mode when the battery is full at a reasonably quick acceleration. (It is a small town though_people may be more patient_1 mile will take you around it_twice)
  • I have been manually calculating the MPG in my 07 TCH and I am consistently getting 33 to 34 MPG. The computer readout shows much higher. I found the post from "wvgasguy" very interesting; I am curious if anyone else is experiencing this low MPG in their Camry. I have close to 1700 miles on it...perhaps it will improve.

    I figured when I purchased the car that the window sticker of 38-41 MPG was very optimistic, and figured it was inflated by as much as 20%.

    In all the vehicles we have or currently own (Navigator, 4Runner, Caravan, Cougar, Impala) the vehicle calculated MPG are very, very, optimistic. I am curious as to how they are configured, if it is based off the fuel injector it would have to take in pulse duration, e.g. longer injector opening when the vehicle is cold and shorter duration when warm. I would think that some sort of flow meter for the fuel would be the most precise, going off injector pulse would only provide the open and close duration, and not the actual fuel volume that has passed through the injector.

    The way I am calculating my MPG is by filling up the tank and dividing my miles driven since last fillup by the gallons just put in.

    Overall, the 33 MPG are still pretty good for this size of vehicle. Co-workers are getting in the upper twenties on the highway in thier 4 cylinder Honda Accords, and my son is averaging around 20-22 MPG in his V6 Impala.

    If I had to do it all over again I would purchase the Camry again, the reason being the $2600.00 tax credit, low emissions, vehicle equipment/style, and the Toyota reputation for reliability.

    I purchased a GPS unit and will have to see how far off my speedometer is.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    The general average for the TCH among about 250 users I know about at two different websites is

    37 MPG.

    It all depends on the type of commute you have, the air in your tires, and your driving style.

    Only getting 33 or 34 means there is some combination of those issues that is driving your MPG lower.

    The TCH is actually the best job Toyota (or anyone) has done so far in making a hybrid vehicle which is VERY VERY close in real-world averages to the EPA estimated mileage. With the combined EPA at 39 and the real-world average at 37, the TCH is only about 5% lower than EPA.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I would emphasize that driving style has a LOT to do with getting the higher FE numbers. Your commute, the weather, and every other environmental condition will affect the FE but it affects the FE on your other rides as well (assuming you track those FE's)

    My 4Runner is also off on the odometer but I have not verified by GPS just how much. I need to take it on a long trip (100+ miles) to feel comfortable stating any correction.

    Also jsaladin, note that the speedometer as well as the odometer is off and correcting one error only magnifies the other as they diverge. The speedo reads high and the odometer reads low.

    Only getting 33 or 34 means there is some combination of those issues that is driving your MPG lower.

    I truly believe I could get 35+ in any driving condition. But to do that I might have to tick off some other drivers. No one should make you speed, tail gate, move over or any take any other action as long as you're not a nusance or breaking the law. However many folks can't take the heat of having some blue hair flip them off. Actually, I now drive the speed limit and I try to not "block" traffic and stay considerate.

    Given all that I am currently averaging 39.22mpg over 15,000 miles. HOWEVER I don't use my vehicle for commuting and I don't live in a heavily congested area. But I have been in Columbus, Ohio / Charleston, WV / Nags Head and cities in between and have been able to get 39+.

    Experiment with your 4Runner if you want to see how driving habits affect FE. I was averaging 16.2mpg with a 2006 V8. Lately, by accelerating lightly, keeping the RPM's below 1500 where possible and just driving the limit I am able to see 19 to 22 mpg on local trips. However on the Interstate at 70 mph it drops into the mid 17's. Still I can easily see a 10 to 20% increase in FE easily by altering my driving style.

    Same for the TCH except in its case 10% increase is 3.5 mpg
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    I ditto the well said comments of larsb. In the short time (Oct 9) that I've owned the TCH it's become clear that my driving habits can made a 3-4 mpg difference.

    If I drive like most people seem to, quickly racing ahead to see who'll be first to the next stoplight, my mileage suffers. But if I accelerate smoothly and moderately and anticipate traffic stops and slowdowns ahead, taking my foot off the accelerator early, my mileage meets the EPA rating. I suspect, though, that kind of driving might be a problem in some go-go cities.

    My dash mileage readouts have been very close to my calculations (1 mpg or less), within the margin I expect from so few fill-ups.

    So far, I'm quite pleased with the car. Other than the added initial price and possibly some added maintenance, the car performs just like any other. It's a small price, imo, to (ever so slightly) reduce consumption and our dependence on foreign sources for oil.
  • I respect your decision but still miss your great comments on the 'other guys' forum.
    ;)

    WillyBill
    2007 TCH Mag Grey, Nav, Leather
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Hey WB, I'll keep dropping comments here as I see appropriate. I do like that this forum has "topics" and it's easier to find info and I don't have to keep retyping the same thing over and over as new people continue to come on and ask the same question. This forum has a lot less activity, but it's more (or at least the same)informative and less chatty. I do miss the milage database. I'm at 14,800 miles and just had my 15,000 mile service ($129). Averaging 39.22 (corrected) mpg. Current tank average is only 37, it dropped while being serviced and with the cold weather Ill really have to baby it to maintain my average. I'll be driving my 4Runner more soon when the roads get wet as I don't plan to put snow tires on the TCH.
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