Gee, aren't we being a bit too harsh here? This person wasn't/isn't the first person in the ES 350 forum who had inquired about whether premium fuel is required, you know...but I don't think I've seen you make similar comments toward other folks who've asked similar questions about regular vs. premium in the ES 350.
I mean...why else would anyone here ask as to whether it's okay to use regular unleaded in the ES 350 on a (fairly) regular basis, if it's not so as to save a few bucks in gas costs?
Do the math and then decide. If you drive 15K miles a year and get 20 mpg, you will use 750 gallons of gas. At $0.20 per gallon price difference, it works out to $150 more.
am concerned about the requirement of using premium fuel, cost are high v/s regular.
I wasn't intending to be harsh; I simply responded to his statement quoted above..."concerned" was the operative word and as stated in another posting, a 20 cent difference per gallon would be approx $150 more per year - simple math. It's up to the consumer to decide if he or she should not buy a $40K vehicle because it might cost $150 more per year.
There have been 15 postings on the ES350 board concerning the use of premium vs regular gas; all it takes is use of the search feature on the forum to bring up all sorts of past history on repetitive issues.
Personally I use regular fuel and don't notice any difference in performance nor mileage. If it was evident that mileage or performance changed dramatically, I would switch to premium.
I have 4,000 miles on my ES350. Half of that mileage was run using 92 octane fuel and half using 87 octane fuel. I've discerned no difference whatsoever in engine sound, gas mileage, or performance.
This topic is constantly beaten to death on all the auto forums and for all the discussion the debate continues.
I special ordered my ES350 from Pleasanton Lexus on July 16 and I am still waiting. They told me upfront that it is going to take 8 to 12 weeks and I am on the 8th week now. The problem is that they haven't given me any ordered information such as detailed ordered sheet and no VIN. The salesman keep telling me it has been ordered and just trust him but there is nothing he can show me. Based on the time frame they told me, you should have gotten yours by now. Have you?
FYI, I just bought a ES350 (Smoky Granite Mica w/black leather interior) with premium plus package, navigation, Park Assist, HID lights, wood/leather steering wheel & shift knob for $37,272, MSRP $41,499, $4200+ off MSRP from Stevens Creek Lexus. OTD - 40,523
The Smokys are very hard to find with long wait time. Dealership is great to deal with. Appreciate everyone's comments/feedback on this deal.
Has anyone found a dealer in the SouthEast (Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina area that is willing to come close to the discounts being offered on the West Coast? So far, the best I've found is 1,500 off MSRP from a Texas dealer?
See my post #192. It's supply and demand. The supply is concentrated on the coasts, therefore, the dealers will offer better discounts. An earlier post said the dealer they went to had 50 ES350's available. The day I picked up mine, August 28th, the dealer had no others on the lot; they had even sold their demo, by mistake, didn't even have one to test drive and the salesman said they had already sold almost all of their September allotment. If you can wait, you will be able to get a better deal when the supply catches up with the demand.
Understood...I was just questioning the need for your "perhaps you can't afford a $40K car" comment, regarding the original poster's concern about the cost of using premium vs. regular unleaded fuel. You yourself even stated that you use regular fuel since you did not notice any difference in performance and/or mileage between using premium vs. regular; if there is indeed no difference in performance, then why else would you choose to use regular instead of premium, if not for cost savings?
Curious what this group thinks. 07 ES 350 MSRP 41289 Premium plus with NAV, HID with AFS. 1 pay lease flat $20k for 3 years 15k/year. Cash price $38450. Greater Boston are. Sound reasonable?
Lexus of Watertown. I pitted them against the [non-permissible content removed]%^&$^s in Norwood where I bought my SC 430. I hate the Norwood dealer(Chambers),sleazy bunch IMHO. Watertown really wanted to beat them and even thought Norwood matched I went with them. Great service dept and so far over the last year or so I have had good luck there. Problem is we want white with black and that seems to be tough to find, may take 4 weeks or more to get the car. JTMav
Has anyone purchased an ES350 in the Atlanta area? What kind of deals are they making? Is there a discernible difference paid for an auto "off the lot" vs waiting for an ES with special features?
Has anyone puchased an ES350 UL in the Philadelphia area? If so, when, where, and how much? Which dealers did you talk with? Any information you have would be helpful.
Thanks to everyone here! I wanted to help the next person get a good price too. I live in Jacksonville, FL and today I drove off in my 2007 ES350 from the Sarasota Lexus dealer. I got the premium plus with navigation in a starfire color. The MSRP was 41002. I set out with the goal of getting $3k off of MSRP.
From this forum, it seemed this would be difficult on the east coast. I visited the dealer in Jacksonville and was told this was crazy. They were able to sell all of their ES350 for about $500 off of MSRP. It seems most dealers in the FL-GA area don’t even have ES350’s on the lot. So they get whatever they want!
I then emailed every dealer in Florida and select GA dealers with my offer to purchase at $3k off of MSRP. This was probably about 15 dealers.
Most (about 10 dealers) said I was crazy. About 5 dealers opened a dialogue with me, the one dealer that stood out was Wilde Lexus of Sarasota. They really gave me the prices and direct answers I was seeking. We drove down to Sarasota today and completed the sale. I had no trade. The price was $3K off of MSRP.
For anyone shopping in Florida, I would definitely check with the Sarasota dealership (first class) but also with dealers in Miami. You could probably even do a little better then $3k of MSRP right now with the end of the month and quarter coming up. I had one Miami dealer email me a “ to bad, so sad” email that they have done $3800 off of MSRP deals after I told them I reached a deal with another dealer.
We bought one from JR Lexus in Margate FL via FLEETRATES.COM... received about $2200 off MSRP for Premium Package. We live in midwest so we did have to add on transport, but still better deal than we could get around us...
I almost did. We had been working thru FLEETRATES.COM on a car and they still have it posted... ES350, premium pkg, fairly low on added options w/sale price of $33,975 for car listing for $36.2k.
I asked Hennessey Lexus in Atlanta to match price because they were the closest dealer to us (we're in IL) with the configuration we wanted. We would have to fly down to close deal & drive home. We were within a hair of buying from them and then asked if other costs & there was a $400 documentation fee they couldn't waive or adjust. We ended up going with FLEETRATES, who sourced car from JR Lexus near Miami FL. We then paid to have car shipped to us, but they didn't charge a doc fee, so we probably broke about even but didn't have to go down and drive back. I'd try them. Just take any information you have from research with you.
Looking at 350 with UL package, mark levinson, rear spoiler, sport wheels, xm radio...every option available. I doing deal over the phone...told MSRP was 46,059. They are expecting car on lot in 5-7 days..smokey granite, light grey interior. They said they would do 3k off of MSRP. Total will be 43,059...Im not really interested in all the upgrades and add ons, but I am thinking this is a pretty good deal. Called all dealers in Atlanta, Nashville, Chattanooga and nobody has any UL on lot. They all tried to trade for one, but could not find one anywhere. Should I jump on this this week when it comes in. Dealer is in Tri-Cites, TN. Thanks.
"I am happy for you that you got your vehicle, but I will be honest and tell you that you certainly missed a great deal as my manager just did a similar deal for $3855.00 off MSRP for a customer being he wanted to get rid of some of our Tungsten Pearl in order to fill another allocation. Have a good one."
But we had already reached an agreement with Sarasota and couldn't be happier with the transaction!
Received a few preliminary internet quotes here in New Jersey. $1500 - $1700 off MSRP (PP w/nav, M/L audio) on ordered cars. Further discounts if in stock. Is this good?
Has anyone seen or purchased an ES350 that had the Mark Levinson package but not the Ultra Luxury Package? I am not too fond of the panorama roof and have been told that supposedly only the ULs have the Mark Levinson system. True or False?
"I had one Miami dealer email me a “ to bad, so sad” email that they have done $3800 off of MSRP deals after I told them I reached a deal with another dealer."
Geez...guess that just goes to show how much "class" that dealership has; if they really could do $3800 off, why didn't they offer to do so in the first place?
Given the East Coast pricing I've read so far in this forum, I'd say that's a pretty good deal. Not an absolutely best deal--I got $4300 off $44288 MSRP on my UL (almost exactly like yours--even down to the exterior/interior colors, but graphite wheels instead of sport, and no XM) here in CA--but still a good deal for your area IMHO.
What color combo did you get? You must have got the Premium Plus in addition to other options. The UL package would have made MSRP 44K or so. Did you have a trade in? Does the dealer still have a huge inventory? Thanks, any details are appreciated.
Hello: I would like nothing better than to purchase a new Lexus.What is stopping me? For one thing the fuel requirements, octane level. It is primary that premium fuel is used or the warranty is void. If you do not believe me call Lexus 1-800-29-lexus Why spend the necessary cash when the mileage is not that superior.
...It is primary that premium fuel is used or the warranty is void. If you do not believe me call Lexus 1-800-29-lexus
Not true. According to "Jeff" at the above #, it does not affect the warranty. "Superior mileage" is subjective - I'm pleased with mine using regular fuel. If I wasn't, I would spend the extra cents to buy premium. It's still a terrific car regardless of the perception of some. Purchase what you want.
Buy the car that works for you. That's what makes it fun. Personally, I would rather spend the extra 10 cents per gallon on premium fuel than, for example, get the 17-18 MPG that many Infiniti M owners are reporting on that board! Certainly, no car is perfect. I wish the ES350 had a hybrid/AWD version. Personally, I am in no rush, just waiting till I can get about $3500 off on the car and I am in for one. Hopefully that should be soon in the Midwest (but who knows).
I see what great deals people are getting on the west coast - in some cases $4300 or $4400 off MSRP. Based on conversations with dealers in the Wash DC area, the going discount these days is $1800 - $2200 off MSRP - maybe a little better at the end of the month. Has anyone been doing any better in this area? And if so, how much better, and with which dealership? Thx.
I am a little confused. Is the panorama glass roof on the ES a larger moonroof? I saw one at the dealership that had a front moonroof that moved, and another in the back seat area that did not move. Is that the only option, or is there something else? Just trying to figure out if panorama just means glass top or larger movable sunroom. Sorry for the ignorance. Thanks for your help.
I have been getting quotes over email for $1500 off from Silver Spring, Pohanka, Rockville, and Lindsay. I am looking at the Prem. Plus w/ Nav. Starting to have second thoughts since these Lexus dealers act like you need their business... not the other way area. This is my first interest with a Lexus... and I have to say, I'm disappointed with the customer service. IMO
Buy a Camry 07 XLE V6, and still have plenty of money left for your next vacation. It's a greedy sale department, not customer service. Wait until Xmas, they will beg for your business.
Panorama just means that the entire roof is glass with two areas that you can look up and see the sky. The front moonroof opens up and back (you can stick your head out of the car). The back moonroof cannot be opened. However, you can slide the interior cover back and look out of it. Hope this helps.
Not so. Your warranty is not affected by the gasoline you use (well, maybe if you filled up with diesel...).
My first 2,000 miles were with 93 octane gas and the next 3,000 were with 87 octane gas. I noted no difference in performance, engine sound, or mileage, which has been consistently 26 around town and 33 highway no matter which grade I use.
Like zekeman1 said, use whatever grade you'd like.
Hello: SRY, I had no intention of offending anyone. All I know is what I was told by LEXUS when I called them. Possibly the person to whom I was speaking did not understand my question.
Call me Chief. I special ordered a ES350 in early May and picked it up 25 Aug. Color: Ruby Red w/light gray interior. I ordered all the ammenities to include the 10 spoke graphite wheels. This vehicle has everything except the panoramia roof. The ML is great. After a month of ownership I only have 575 miles on it, and as soon a I am through the breakin period (1000 miles) I plan to take a trip. I am very anxious to see how it performs at high speeds. The bottom lines is, you can get the ML without purchasing the UL package.
Will someone help us with some ideas as to what is a fair discount for an ES-350 sedan with an MSRP of $41,522 and change. We can get $3,000 off the price with no trade-in and paying cash. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank-You! This price is on the west coast.
I purchased the ES350 with the Nav, Premium Plus, adaptive headlights and Park assist for $500 over invoice at Newport Beach Lexus- MSRP 41,500 and sale price 37,800 and I had no trade in. It was the end of the month and other dealers were close in price (Westminster, M Viejo) with moderate inventory, but the SD dealers would not come close. I think it is a reflection of the pause in consumer spending from the housing correction, but other factors are involved too.
Thanks Dandy; Again thanks for your input. We live in the pacific NW, obviously the Lexus's are more expensive here. Additional information I found outn tonight, with an MSRP or $41,522 a dealer will trade for $38,193, closr to your price. This car has some additional perks, three coats of a professional wax application, and 3M material anti-scratch around all car handles, with door edge guards. The price they charge to apply this is $600, so figuring including the perks the price is discounted $3929.
I or (we) would appreciate any input you would care to include.
Hello Chief. I am also interested in purchasing the ES-350 with ML stereo. The dealers I have worked with insist the ML is not available without the UL package. I would like to know who you worked with to special order your car, and whether you were able to purchase without paying MSRP? Thank-you.
My mother is getting ready to make an offer on a 2007 Lexus ES350. She has been working w/ a salesman in Springfield, Mo. and was just wondering if anyone else on here has recently bought a car from this dealership and if they were willing to budge off the msrp. I figured out the msrp on the PT model w/ her preferred options would be 41,900.00. The invoice price to be $36,616.00 and the kbb price to be $39,913.00. She is also wanting to add on the chrome wheels which are showing to be $2000,00-msrp. The salesman has told my mom that their dealership has a shortage of cars right now w/ a high demand. What is the best advice that you can give her for an offering price in Mo. or Ar, or Ok. (Tulsa or Ok City). I wasn't sure what the invoice price on chrome wheels would be, but noticed that someone on here paid $1000,00 for 4 chrome wheels. Any advice that you can give us would be helpful.
I live in NW Arkansas and am looking for a good deal on the same pkg. that you bought; except I want the moonshell mica w/ gray interior. Where is Stevens Creek Lexus?
I was just minutes away from going to the dealership and ordering my ES350 when I decided to build it one more time online to decide on a color....when I noticed that the prices for the packages changed...Has anyone else noticed this...It has made a huge difference of a couple of thousand dollars. Please give me some input.
Sorry, I guess the website was experiencing some problems. The prices went back to normal yesterday afternoon about an hour after I posted. And...I ended up ordering my wife's new ES350. It was being offered for MSRP at about 41.5K, that is Premiuim Plus with Nav and Park Assist. I am happy to say that we got it for 38k flat. Initially our Lexus salesman commented how he was unable to move from the MSRP. We took this with a grain of salt and decided to do our research. I then called about 10 other Lexus dealerships in the bordering states and asked them for their lowest price on an ES350 either in their inventory or if I were to order it. The key here is to ask for the sales manager and not just one of the salesman!!! The lowest price I got was 37.9k. However, I then presented this to the local dealership and found out that they could in fact budge on that MSRP...$3,508 to be exact. I then bought it from them since I didn't have to travel to get it. The Lesson I learned: You dont have to pay what they tell you to pay. Good Luck on your car buying experience..
I finally picked up my Tungsten Pearl UL with black interior today from Jim Falk Beverly Hills. They were fantastic to deal with. I ended up at $500 over invoice and a great deal on my trade in. Very little negotiation... started at $1000 over invoice. I showed him an offer from another dealer and he matched it. When I picked up the car, no upsell or anything. A painless, pleasant experience.
I initially ordered the car the end of August... I really wanted red or white but just couldn't get it. I was apprehensive over the fact there was no deposit taken and the only paper I had was an unsigned computer print out showing price. When I called and said I'd also take a Tungsten Pearl, I got a call within a day that my car was on the boat. When I got to the dealer... no hassle, paperwork handled quickly and no surprises in pricing... after all, it was 7 weeks and my trade in was older and had 1000 miles more.
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I mean...why else would anyone here ask as to whether it's okay to use regular unleaded in the ES 350 on a (fairly) regular basis, if it's not so as to save a few bucks in gas costs?
I wasn't intending to be harsh; I simply responded to his statement quoted above..."concerned" was the operative word and as stated in another posting, a 20 cent difference per gallon would be approx $150 more per year - simple math. It's up to the consumer to decide if he or she should not buy a $40K vehicle because it might cost $150 more per year.
There have been 15 postings on the ES350 board concerning the use of premium vs regular gas; all it takes is use of the search feature on the forum to bring up all sorts of past history on repetitive issues.
Personally I use regular fuel and don't notice any difference in performance nor mileage. If it was evident that mileage or performance changed dramatically, I would switch to premium.
This topic is constantly beaten to death on all the auto forums and for all the discussion the debate continues.
This has simply been my experience with my ES350.
OTD - 40,523
The Smokys are very hard to find with long wait time.
Dealership is great to deal with.
Appreciate everyone's comments/feedback on this deal.
JTMav
Who is the dealer?
JTMav
From this forum, it seemed this would be difficult on the east coast. I visited the dealer in Jacksonville and was told this was crazy. They were able to sell all of their ES350 for about $500 off of MSRP. It seems most dealers in the FL-GA area don’t even have ES350’s on the lot. So they get whatever they want!
I then emailed every dealer in Florida and select GA dealers with my offer to purchase at $3k off of MSRP. This was probably about 15 dealers.
Most (about 10 dealers) said I was crazy. About 5 dealers opened a dialogue with me, the one dealer that stood out was Wilde Lexus of Sarasota. They really gave me the prices and direct answers I was seeking. We drove down to Sarasota today and completed the sale. I had no trade. The price was $3K off of MSRP.
For anyone shopping in Florida, I would definitely check with the Sarasota dealership (first class) but also with dealers in Miami. You could probably even do a little better then $3k of MSRP right now with the end of the month and quarter coming up. I had one Miami dealer email me a “ to bad, so sad” email that they have done $3800 off of MSRP deals after I told them I reached a deal with another dealer.
I asked Hennessey Lexus in Atlanta to match price because they were the closest dealer to us (we're in IL) with the configuration we wanted. We would have to fly down to close deal & drive home. We were within a hair of buying from them and then asked if other costs & there was a $400 documentation fee they couldn't waive or adjust. We ended up going with FLEETRATES, who sourced car from JR Lexus near Miami FL. We then paid to have car shipped to us, but they didn't charge a doc fee, so we probably broke about even but didn't have to go down and drive back. I'd try them. Just take any information you have from research with you.
"I am happy for you that you got your vehicle, but I will be honest and tell you that you certainly missed a great deal as my manager just did a similar deal for $3855.00 off MSRP for a customer being he wanted to get rid of some of our Tungsten Pearl in order to fill another allocation.
Have a good one."
But we had already reached an agreement with Sarasota and couldn't be happier with the transaction!
True or False?
Geez...guess that just goes to show how much "class" that dealership has; if they really could do $3800 off, why didn't they offer to do so in the first place?
I would like nothing better than to purchase a new Lexus.What is stopping me?
For one thing the fuel requirements, octane level. It is primary that premium fuel is used or the warranty is void. If you do not believe me call Lexus 1-800-29-lexus
Why spend the necessary cash when the mileage is not that superior.
Not true. According to "Jeff" at the above #, it does not affect the warranty. "Superior mileage" is subjective - I'm pleased with mine using regular fuel. If I wasn't, I would spend the extra cents to buy premium. It's still a terrific car regardless of the perception of some. Purchase what you want.
It's a greedy sale department, not customer service. Wait until Xmas, they will beg for your business.
My first 2,000 miles were with 93 octane gas and the next 3,000 were with 87 octane gas. I noted no difference in performance, engine sound, or mileage, which has been consistently 26 around town and 33 highway no matter which grade I use.
Like zekeman1 said, use whatever grade you'd like.
SRY, I had no intention of offending anyone. All I know is what I was told by LEXUS when I called them. Possibly the person to whom I was speaking did not understand my question.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thank-You!
This price is on the west coast.
Again thanks for your input. We live in the pacific NW, obviously the Lexus's are more expensive here.
Additional information I found outn tonight, with an MSRP or $41,522 a dealer will trade for $38,193, closr to your price. This car has some additional perks, three coats of a professional wax application, and 3M material anti-scratch around all car handles, with door edge guards. The price they charge to apply this is $600, so figuring including the perks the price is discounted $3929.
I or (we) would appreciate any input you would care to include.
A footnote, how do you like the vehicle?
Regards:
The invoice price to be $36,616.00 and the kbb price to be
$39,913.00. She is also wanting to add on the chrome wheels which are showing to be $2000,00-msrp. The salesman has told my mom that their dealership has a shortage of cars right now w/ a high demand. What is the best advice that you can give her for an offering price in Mo. or Ar, or Ok. (Tulsa or Ok City). I wasn't sure what the invoice price on chrome wheels would be, but noticed that someone on here paid $1000,00 for 4 chrome wheels. Any advice that you can give us would be helpful.
one of my friend said he bought one for 33K OTD including TTL and all other fees. is it possible?
i m in chicago, %8.75 tax rate.
thank you very much !!!!
I then called about 10 other Lexus dealerships in the bordering states and asked them for their lowest price on an ES350 either in their inventory or if I were to order it. The key here is to ask for the sales manager and not just one of the salesman!!! The lowest price I got was 37.9k. However, I then presented this to the local dealership and found out that they could in fact budge on that MSRP...$3,508 to be exact. I then bought it from them since I didn't have to travel to get it.
The Lesson I learned: You dont have to pay what they tell you to pay. Good Luck on your car buying experience..
I initially ordered the car the end of August... I really wanted red or white but just couldn't get it. I was apprehensive over the fact there was no deposit taken and the only paper I had was an unsigned computer print out showing price. When I called and said I'd also take a Tungsten Pearl, I got a call within a day that my car was on the boat. When I got to the dealer... no hassle, paperwork handled quickly and no surprises in pricing... after all, it was 7 weeks and my trade in was older and had 1000 miles more.
All in all, I highly recommend Jim Falk Lexus.