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Oh, and on the subject of Hyundai updated informative websites, try this one
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/azera/azera.aspx
Tell you pals in Korea they should update to reflect that Azera is now available in a 2008 model.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/availablesoon/Genesis_Sedan.aspx
The Genesis is plastered all over the home page:
https://www.hyundaiusa.com
Hey...go click on the video, they make a really good point. Some car companies build cars for people that have more. At Hyundai, they build cars for people that deserve more.
I can go along with that!!!
I wish I could link it, but I can't, however...click the link below and in the upper right hand corner, click on 'Gallery'. Then over to the left, you'll see links that say 'Exterior', 'Interior' & 'Video'...click on 'Video'. After you do that, look to the right hand side and you'll see two above "Genesis Introduction"...click on the one on the right...
Hyundai Genesis
that was me actually
Genesis reduces interior noise levels and improves ride and handling with a stiffer, lighter body structure. The use of high tensile steel in critical areas in the unibody provides Genesis with 12-14 percent higher dynamic torsional rigidity and a lower body structure weight than the BMW 5-series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class – despite having a substantially larger cabin than either of those benchmarks.
And the concept | future section had to do with the inclusion of the concept models such as the Genesis coupe, which will turn into a future/upcoming model, like the sedan
Yeah right - and I do have some swampland for you in Arizona - WOW indeed,but you are certainly entitled to believe what you wish.
Each other.
We'll have to wait and see come the 2nd half of this year.
Everyone knows...if you want driving performance, you go for the BMW...just don't expect frills when it comes to the interior. If you want luxury, then you go with the MB...that's how they've always been.
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I would say a lot less. A loaded G8 GT will come in around $32k and a loaded V8 Genesis should be close to $40k. However, the G8 will be nowhere near the Genesis in terms of luxury and tech gadgets though.
In most cases, when cars are advertised...they usually go with the top model of that car...USUALLY.
However, think about this as well. The 3.8 in the Azera is already a little bit behind the 2GR in the Avalon. Adding about 40HP in a RWD heavier car figures to put it even further behind. Since I am ready for a new car in about a year the Genesis will be something I look at, however, (in V-6 form) if it comes in at 3 - 4 MPG less than my Avalon I may dismiss it. Unless its that good :shades:
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From www.pontiacG8.com the GT starts out at $29.995...if you put everything in it as far as available options...I honestly see it being closer to $35K. I mean...you have a premium package (which I see a lot of folks going for), then a sports package on top of that (considering it's the GT...folks will want it to look like a GT, so they'll go for that too). Then...most will opt for a sunroof too. Trust me...I think it'll be more than $32K as you seem to think it'll be.
The V-8 will be a tough sell, but maybe not as tough as you may think as I still see V-8 versions of a lot of things with paper tags on the street. If they are sold, people will still buy them.
In terms of FE...the V-8 will probably be in the mid-upper teens city and upper teens-maybe 20 on the highway. The 3.8 V-6...will probably turn in the same numbers that the current Azera is seeing.
For the money and what the Genesis offers (laundry list of standard features), you can't touch anything made by Lexus, Infiniti, MB or BMW for that matter...you can't.
The V-8 can't be dying a slow death for Toyota to jump out there and put two different ones in it's new Sequoia (which looks awsome might I add). However...if you want the top of the line Platinum package one...they start out around $55K!!! :surprise:
Here's the source: Completely loaded Pontiac G8 will cost just $32,895
As for the V8 Genesis to top out around $37k, I'll believe it when I see it.
2009 Hyundai Genesis
As both of V6s in the Genesis will feature the second generation with higher hp and improved F/E, I would not be surprised if the mileage remains the same or better, similar to the Sonata. The current Azera is only 2 miles per gallon of its pace from Avalon's per EPA so the Genesis should be very respectable.
I live in Philadelphia in the historic district. I have a 200 year old colonial house without a garage. Although there are covered lots a couple blocks away, I usually end up parking on the street, as do most of my neighbors. On my block there's an Audi 6, Volvo S80, Jagaur XJ, Mercedes S550 etc. I have a Chrysler 300C that I bought loaded the week they came out in 2004.
Everyone on the street bitches about the little scratches and dings from bad suburban parallel parkers, tourists leaning on our parked cars and the general wear and tear of a vehicle always being parked outside.
Our household income is $250,000+ and we don't carry debt. But...I don't feel like spending $65,000 on a car that's going to be bumped around, sat on and found on a Sunday morning with an empty wine glass sitting on the hood.
My work is local, and I tend to drive a lot of visiting artists and local board types around. I also go to a lot of special events with "arrival" valet situations with meet and greets.
If I can spend $40,000 on a car that will be comfortable for me and the people I travel with, look the part of what others are driving, and contain all of the amenities of far more expensive cars, It seems like a natural choice for me.
But...I've tested an Infiniti M45 twice in the past several weeks. I'm holding off on buying it until I get a real look at the Genesis. I saw it at the Philly car show Friday night, and it looked perfectly fine. Not exciting, but very attractive, with a balanced and pulled together demeanor.
If I end up buying the Genesis, I think there will be some kind of market for it. If on the other hand, I drive over to the Infiniti dealership, and spend a lot more money for a loaded M45, Hyundai may be in for a tough sell.
I'm completely open to a non-luxury brand offering luxury. But it has to deliver. As much as the 300C has been fun, it doesn't have the real feel or amenities of a luxury car.
I'll post back when I've made the deal.
allmet - you better be careful you are beginning to sound like an Avalon buyer!
what's a Sequoia, a truck, have to with anything? These are CARS. The Avalon/Maxima/Azera/Taurus all do quite well on more fuel efficient V6s and still don't leave much behind in the power dept. Makes you wonder, instead, on the motvations of the 300C/ImpalaSS buyer. The G8GT as well as the Genesis should suffer the same fate as gas prices go up even more.
Yes I did, but check the links, one of the links has the official GM price sheet.
Regardless of the date the price sheet should still be correct.
By the way, to save you some trouble here's the official price sheet from GM
However, like I said earlier...for what you would get in the Genesis, a lil more power, a longer list of standard features, more technology...I would certainly pay the few thousand more for the Genesis, rather than settle for the G8. On the flip side, if I were a tuner and interested in tricking the car out...the G8 might be the more appealing option as I'm sure there will be aftermarket stuff for it to push the HP up as well as do other things as well to increase performance.
You do know that the Veracruz tops off at $38,195 right? I don't expect to see the top of the line V8 Genesis to come under that. It might not break the $40k mark but IMO it'll come mighty close to it.
As for the difference between G8 and Genesis I completely agree with you. If one wants luxury with performance then go with Genesis, if one wants pure performance on a budget then it's G8 all the way.
I think the Genesis is going to eat into 300's sales and G8 to eat into Charger's, at the end the biggest loser might be Chrysler/Dodge.
Maybe not in the truck market, but you won't ever see a V8 in the Avalon or Camry. GM/Chrysler and now Hyundai feel the need for V8s in these sub 40K sedans and I just don't see the point. Most people in this price class are still looking at FE. Not that I wouldn't appreciate 375 HP, but, I also feel that for the modest increase in acceleration that its not worth it Time will tell with the Genesis, I contend that I will seriously consider the 3.8 V6 model. However, in more departments than one it will have to be considerably better than my Avalon for me to buy (lease) it. Lets all just stay tuned and see more specifics as they become available. Heck, we still don't have final pricing, FE, or option availability. Another thing that could possibly be a deal breaker is saving all the good toys for the V8 model.
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Roland
07 XLS
Max, Avalon, Azera will all keep up with a 328 ( in a straight line ) which has 230HP, but not the 300HP 335 model.
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I agree, way off topic for "mainstream full size".
You are right it's ridiculous. But I agree, at any price I wouldn't trade in my 3 series for an Avalon.
I agree with you on which cars will see a bite taken out of their sales...definitely.
I think most folks that frequent this forum, if they did get a Genesis...would opt for the mid-level with the 3.8 V-6
Well...when it comes to options, I don't think we have to worry. Hyundai packages a mean deal where you really only have to decide if you want a moon roof and a few other things...most everything else would be standard on it.
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This is why I feel the Genesis lineup is well stacked. You've got:
one V8 with 375hp
two V6s, one nearing 300hp, and the other around 265
I think the V-8 model will have option groups that would add in the moon roof, back up camera and 20" rims. Other than that...I see most of what has been described about the car as being stadard fare. Well...except for the 17 speaker Lexicon sound system...I think they may have that one for the V-8 model and a regular Infinity sound system for the lower models...however, I could be wrong on that.
Also...the nav unit could come standard on the V-8 and be an option for the V-6. Who knows...there's so much they can do with that.
they feel the need because they can't seem to get the smaller engines right (the GM HF 3.6 seems to be an exception to this) - so let's attack the problem with displacement - big ole torquey V8s that obviously must leave something to be desired from a FE standpoint. Something that 'Detroit' has been doing ever since dropping a small block V8 into a Ford Falcon over 40 years ago.
I, for one, am not going to be impressed with 375 hp or whatever - tell me instead that an engine (regardless of size or # of cylinders or even fuel type) will get the 27 mpg overall I get on my 280/268hp Avalon and still give me the 6-7 second 0-60s (or better) AND DRIVE WELL - then I'll be impressed. As it is, there is certainly a market for those big ole V8s for those that remember the 60s/early 70s fondly - and also a market for those of us that grew out of it, and further understand that there is no 'need' for them as you say. It is possible to have our cake...