Tundra vs the Big 3 - Continued II
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Let's see how they hold up in the every day working guys demands!!!!
Tundra fans.....your turn!
- Tim
The Chevy - the base V8 will only tow 5000 lbs. And they call this "full size"? Add fisher price interior, 70's era styling, Chevy build quality etc. Not even close.
The base V8 Tundra will tow 7200 lbs. A REAL full size built by a company with a well earned reputation for quality and reliability.
"And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
overall performance and sophistication - on road
and off - we have to say Tundra."
And who are "you guys"? Have you been hearing voices? How about leaving the discussion to trucks?
posts read the same each time. prob'ly has two posts saved as a .txt or .doc file on his desktop. each time he comes on edmunds, opens that file, "select all" "copy", comes here, "paste" "post".
claps his hands together, pats himself on the back and opens up the latest copy of reader's digest to see which truck they picked. that way he can change his posts six months from now...
record...record...record...
kyle
Of course the Tundra will be in all the comic books as truck of the year...top pick..balg blah blah.....it's the newest one!
Amazing how the newest truck gets the truck of the year!...even at the beginning of the year!....totally new concept!...and the magazines support it in the future....WOW..this is the most amazing thing I have EVER heard...oh my gosh...geee golly wizz...it's just a miracle!
I will take ant 5.3 silverado...even with 3:42 gears...and put it against a Tundra..
I would compare a 3/4 Tundra...but the "REAL" truck..doesn't seem to be up to the task of HD work...DOHH
...so I guess 1 ton or DRW is out of the question as well?....dohh!!
The big bad tundra just doesn't think 3/4 and 1 ton trucks can do work like a 1/5 ton tundra can I guess?
Keep reading your magazines and copy/pasting articles.....and maybe...you might convince someone..
- Tim
hehehe
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...yet Silverado sales and topics remain steady..
hmmmm
- Tim
Anyway it does not change the fact that the Tonka is 3/4 the size of any Ford Dodge or GM truck, Personally I have no use for a 1/2 ton of any make, but if I had a choice I would pick the F-150 just because of personal preference followed by the Dodge and the GM ( had a bad experience with a GM) I would not consider the Tonka because of the size. To me in a "Full size" you should not be able to touch the passenger side door while seated on the drivers side.
#6 Bigsnag: Please tell me what issues you have with the article. Have you even read it?
#7 Goat: What compromises?
#8 Lurking: I am glad that you instructed me on how to copy posts. I have been retyping each post. Now that you showed me how to cut and paste I will post much more often!
#9 Mgdvhman: Tim, I'm surprised! Every bash you have for the Tundra relates to size. Could this be considered redundant or repetitive posting? You posted about how small the Tundra is, then you tried to compare it to a 3/4 or 1 ton. Is the Chevy 1/2 ton really so wimpy?
# 14 Redsilverado: This post hurt me deeply. Compare me to hicksrme?
#15 Goat: Useless drivel that has nothing to do with trucks.
#20 Ryanbab: I'll tell you what: I will throw away the Motor Trend Truck of the year and the Fourwheeler Truck of the year. I still would suggest to anyone interested in trucks that the articles are good reading.
What about the -90% reliability rating that the Silverado managed to rack up in its first year? I don't consider Consumer Reports to be a "comic book".
J.D. Powers ranked Toyota in a tie for 4th with BMW. The Chevy ranked 26th. Does this tell you something? Chevy is struggling to stay ahead of Hyundai. Is J.D Powers a "comic book"?
#23: I am glad for your concern. I am still alive.
Ryan
$$$ the good old dollar bill. It goes far with people. Never know maybe these companies pay for their reviews??? Never know probably will never know. Im not saying this happens im just saying what if???
Ryan
I have not seen one new TONKA-TUNDRA on any of my construction jobs, and to be honest, I don't think anyone other than your weekend warrior who visits Home Depot and K-MART would even consider that RAG of a TRUCK!!!!
Let's load em' up like a working guy would and see how it handles, brakes, and accelerates under those REAL WORLD CONDITIONS, not some car magazine's testing conditions or some biased rating from someone elses magazine's rigged test results.
I have disagreed with Consumer Reports and JD Powers before, and think that it really isn't all that un-biased.
ANYONE USING A TUNDRA FOR WORK??????
Is there something about smaller size that bothers you?..cuz I mention the facts...and they are that it lacks..well..a lot of things..
..since I know how much you like to hear this...
GOOD LUCK ON THIS ONE NOW!
- Tim
the Daisy bb guns, you know the ones they make
that are suppose to make you think that your
holding a real .45. Ha Ha Ha Ha what a TOY aka
Toyolo
...red
p.s. GOOD LUCK ON THIS ONE TOO!!!!
Ryan
- Tim
They are convincing nobody else but their 20 year old..first truck..yuppyselves..
I come here for the entertainment of these people alone!
- Tim
kyle
Tim im sure they are all F-150s and not the tundra. Unless they took the ford badge off and put it in the front you never know
Ryan
Just a thought
- Tim
Ryan
werking - The Silverado most certainly did NOT win the J.D. Power Survey on Initial Quality last year.
In my opinion, J.D. Power has the most objective data available. Unfortunately, they only poll after the first 3 months. Tells us something about build quality, but not much info on how long something will last. Like it or not, looks like the Tundra had the best build quality in Y2K.
mgdvhman - thanks for coming here for our entertainment.
Ryan - if you have questions about the price, look it up on edmunds. I paid $26K for a 4x4, SR5, extended cab, with CD, tow hitch, bedliner, etc.
When I shopped around, I priced the Tundra, the F-150, and the Sierra. For the options I wanted, they were within $500 of each other (invoice). I think the most expensive (again, for "my" options) was the GM and the cheapest was the Tundra. However, with the GM, I would have gotten ABS (not sure that's a good thing for me) and the limited slip rear-end (definitely a good thing). My point is that price difference wasn't an issue. Neither was the slightly smaller size of the Toy (actually that's an advantage for me).
Remember... there is no perfect truck.
oh well....consider the source...a Toy yuppie..
- Tim
all you tundra fans seem awful quiet about that tundrasolutions board. go check that out (www.tundrasolutions.com) and tell me initial quality on the tundra is what you say it is. that forum is not one or two guys posting the same problem over and over. it's a lot of folks posting similar problems. beyond quality, you're right, there is no perfect truck. maybe you have a small garage, or do a lot of city driving. as long as you agree that tundra is significantly smaller than the big three. since he's not here to say it anymore, i'll pick up the torch...
tundra = less truck for more buck
kyle
I also agree with you that the first year Tundra has some vibration problems. I have been to tundrasolutions and have seen the testament. I also wonder about what the vibrations mean for long-term longevity. And, like GM, it is something that they will probably resolve in the second year.
As far as trucksrme's saying, I would ammend it to "slightly smaller truck for the same buck".
(In addition to small garages, and city driving)Advantages of a smaller truck include: parallel parking, parking ramps, backing trailers in constrained areas, and ESPECIALLY off-roading.
Remember... there is no perfect truck.
Consumer Reports a comic book? I don't think so. I had a two Taurus SHOs that were the biggest pieces of junk I ever owned. I took the first one (an '89) back on the lemon law and mistakenly got a replacement vehicle a ('90) that was worse than the first one. Ford insisted that they had all of the bugs worked out of the first year vehicles. I sold the vehicle after 5 years and thousands of dollars of repairs. (Fortunately I got them to throw in an extended warranty.) When I sold the car Consumer Reports ranked it as a used car to avoid. I would say that this was a very accurate assessment. I ended getting chicken feed for it on a trade-in.
No, Chevy earned its -90% ranking (off their chart) on predicted reliability for the 2000 Silverado. This ranking was based on surveys filled out by Silverado owners.
J.D Powers a comic book? The Toyota Tundra ranked number one in initial quality. Toyota as a manufacturer ranked in a tie for fourth with BMW. Chevy ranked 26th - struggling to stay ahead of Hyundai. Is this a coincidence?
Motor Trend did a comparison test of full size pickups in May '00. Tundra was their pick. They compared the Big3 trucks with the biggest available engines. The Chevy had 4.1 gears and still lost. Coincidence?
Read Edmunds test report on the '99 Silverado. It was missing one of it Z71 stickers. The door molding fell of several times during test. Coincidence?
You guys need to get your heads out of the sand.
The Chevy might have a big back seat, but it is not worth taking the Chevy quality along with it.
- Tim
You stated that when you compared invoice prices on trucks EQUIPED AS YOU WANTED, they were within $500 with GM being highest. But you also said that with the GM you would have gotten limited slip which the Tundra doesn't have. Well the limited slip is an option of around $270 so it's clear you really weren't comparing identical trucks. If you really didn't want limited slip, then the invoice price difference would be that much less. What other different options/features have you ignored with your statement? I'd gladly pay an extra $500 for ABS and locking differential, plus being given several different axle ratio options.
Larry
The simple fact of the matter is that Toyota is marketing it as a full-sized truck. Is it smaller than the Big 3's full-sized offerings? Yes - but you have to get out the measuring tape. Is that a bad thing? ONLY IF IT DOESN'T MEET YOUR NEEDS AS A TRUCK BUYER. Get a grip, people. There's a large segment of the population that isn't 6'5", and for us, some of the Big 3 offerings are simply TOO BIG.
Regardless of it's measurements, when I park my Tundra next to a Silverado or an F-150, they sure look the same size. And now my wife, who's pregnant, tells me we are going to have to add sidesteps.
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and the manufacturer SAYS it's a duck...you have to compare it to other ducks.
2) THE TUNDRA IS OVERPRICED COMPARED TO OTHER TRUCKS
This may have been true when it was first introduced, but the price has come down quite a bit as it approaches it's first year of production. From what I read on this board - and from my own experience - current prices for similarly equipped trucks are very close.
3) NO ONE USES THE TUNDRA FOR WORK
I drive around town a lot, and have looked at the trucks being used by "workin' folk". Sure are a lot of Big 3 trucks - but also a lot of T-100's. Sure ain't a lot of BRAND NEW Big 3 trucks - nor a lot of Tundras. At least not ones hauling huge loads of construction gear, supplies, workers, etc.
Why do you reckon this is? Maybe because most people that buy trucks for heavy every-day use aren't buying BRAND NEW trucks? I'd be willing to bet that as Tundras enter the used-vehicle market that they get snapped up for heavy work use.
I bought my Tundra because it meets my needs as a truck owner. With a small child and another on the way, we needed an extended cab truck, but I didn't want to sacrifice bed size for a full-size rear door. A full-length bed with full-sized rear doors is simply TOO BIG for my needs. I looked seriously at the other available trucks - and none offered me the same flexibility as the Tundra did.
One of my brothers owns a Chevy Silverado, and he loves it. Another owns a Dakota, and he loves it. When we get together I'm sure we'll have a spirited discussion of which one is better, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. But for all you Big 3 chauvinists that insist on mean-spirited name calling and general degradation of us Tundra owners - well, I feel sorry for you. You must have a serious insecurity problem.
WORK TRUCKS: I work in a factory where i see 50+ trucks a day just walking through the plant. Today alone i have seen 3 brand new silverados 2 1500's and 1 2500 ,2 dodges both 2500's, and 4 fords 1 f-150, 2 f-250 sd and 1 f350 all contractor vehicles. I also work at menards where i see a many contractors and many of them have brand new 1500 gmc and silverados. Many of these trucks carry alot of equipment probably to much for a 1500 they also pull pretty large box and flat bed trailers. I have yet to see a toyota pull anything or haul anything.
Im not name calling just proving your little myth retorical is totally wrong and i see it in action on a daily basis.
Ryan
you been hangin' out at the factory too long...now learn to spell and use words in their proper context if you expect any of these board posters to take you seriously. Most of the new GM/Chevy trucks I see in the fastest-growing city in CA are manned by overweight, balding guys that have maybe a pager or cell phone on their belt. These guys haven't seen any physical work for 20 years, couldn't load a 4' x 8' x 5/8" piece of plywood into their truck if they had to, anyway.
Ford trucks far outnumber all others across the trades, anyway......because Ford offers the best "stripper" trucks for the money, and have for years. Workin' in a factory and counting the number of trucks in the parking lot to support an opinion about "work trucks" doesn't really cut the mustard. Maybe you should actually visit a construction site and take a count there. Besides the POS construction boss (who probably drives 2500 Silverado without a speck of dirt on it), you'll see 5-15 year old "work" trucks from all the logos. That's where the real work is being done-the only place I've seen new GM products being used are pulling horse trailers, boats and in the GM commercials. I generally treat any GM vehicle like any other obstacle, just whip around the poor guy/gal and leave 'em wondering in the rear view.....
I will go and count trucks at a construction site i bet 9 out of 10 are fords. I am just saying how many toyotas do you see?
I bet your one of those fat bald guys with a cell phone that cant pick up a piece of 1/4 sheet of OSB. Theres to many people out there like that.
Ryan
But never mind. Since you're counting trucks, I'll do the same. It will be interesting to compare figures in a week. Since I don't work at (or even near) a plant, the best I'll be able to do is swing by a construction site or two, or maybe prowl thru the Home Depot parking lot in the morning when the contractors load up. Reckon that's a fair enough comparison?
By the way, where are you located? This probably will make a big difference in the types of trucks being used. For the record, I'm in Houston, Texas.
I work at menards (only weekends) its just like home depot. My other job is a factory (plant) which makes corn syrup and other corn products for just about every pop,candy, and food maker, and pharmacudical company (sp??) out there. There is also a plant down there in dimmit texas. Im not literally going to write down each and every truck i see. I just mentioned what i seen in the past few hrs here at work to try and rationalize people do use brand new trucks for work use (i dont think i would put my truck through all of what these guys do they dont take care of their vehicles at all).
Dont take me the wrong way like quark did.
Ryan
- Tim
Have a great day!
How's that?
- Tim