Tundra vs the Big 3 - Continued II

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  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    sorry...can't resist this one:

    if you're looking for "big" issues, you won't find them on the tundra. only issues you'll find there will be "mid-sized".

    ROTFLMFAO!!!

    kyle
  • youbetchayoubetcha Member Posts: 26
    LOL! I like that one!
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    Crossmembers don't need welds? How does it stay there? Magic? If all it were needed for was compression then yes, it would only need tack welds. If it is in tension, then it would need more than tack welds, but probably not a whole lot more. As for the idea that crossmembers don't experience torque, then what is it that prevents the two sides of the frame from folding up like a double helix of DNA? There is stress along the long axis of the frame. Any time one wheel is higher or lower than the rest that wants to torque (twist) the frame. If the crossmembers are what prevents this from happening what is? I thought we settled this a long time ago. Keep in mind that I am not saying that the amount of weld on the Chevy crossmembers in inadequate. From what the engineers calc'd it may be overkill. I've never even looked at the welds under a new Chevy. However, to say that they don't undergo torque is not correct.
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    you're wasting your time with this RWELL nitwit.
    when he feels he's gettin' a good thrashin' in
    one topic. he goes back to the ABS topic or
    wherever else he can handle the wippin' he incurs
    on himself. sorta fun though watchin' all the
    response he brings, if only is head did'nt have
    that foul smell. LOL

    ...red
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    when you get out og High school....maybe your mommy will let you post here:

    http://www.teleweb.net/mgdvhman/

    I promise we won't beat you up too bad....

    ..really...

    - Tim
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    there are three directions of torque and stress. the crossmembers act against some, the frame acts against others.

    When one wheel drops down, and the frame partially drops, the cross member is 'hinging' upon the far side frame that hasn't dropped...that creates a moment in the z-direction, or toward the front of the vehicle. This creates a hoop stress, perpendicular to the beam. A weld seam does nothing in this case.

    The only thing the weld holds is to resist some force from forming the tube to roll out flat. What force is there that does that? ONLY INTERNAL PRESSURE.

    Is that the torsion you are talking about? or torsion as if you were grabbing a crossmember by hand and twisting in the same circular direction by which it is shaped?


    I could answer, but I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, or how to explain it well w/o pictures.

    Cross members used to be flat plates...tubes are much better in this case, due to their resistance to buckling.

    Yes you need a weld, but only to control Poisson's strain not any direct stress. w/o seeing, that is my prof opinion that it only needs tacks.

    and we are going off Rwell that they are tackwelds. for all we know, they could be 1/2" beads!
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    ..tack welded only to hold them until they are bolted together and he didn't see that. LOL!!!
    BTW I am not an engineer. Thank God. But you probably already knew that. As to the torque I am referring to I can't explain it very well either, obviously. At least not without pictures. If I can find something, I'll post it to my web page and everyone can look at it, and hopefully explain it.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Lets take an informal survey on "reliability"

    One way -IMO- is to list the number of times you have had to take your truck into the dealer for repairs. This would not count normal maintenance items - oil change ect, but for repairs, and also the number of times your ride let you down by not starting.

    1 trip to dealer to reprogram tranny and fix a sticky throttle body in the first month, 0 (that is one 0) times in the last 12 months. My truck has 12K miles.

    1 trip to dealer to fix a cracked windshield (hit by rock on I-45 @ 75 mph) I don't count this as a trip, but then maybe the Ford, Dodge and Toyota trucks have bullet proof windshields.

    Truck has always started - first try- no delay, never left me walking.

    I think if everyone is honest (slim chance I know) we will see similar experiences in most makes of trucks.

    My guess is
    75% 0-1 trips
    20% 2-3 trips
    5% 3-10 trips in first year.
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    Sorry to blow your theory out of the water, but Ford windshields are not bulletproof. I had to have mine replaced, too. A truck flipped a rock up. I had a guy come to my house and replace it. He has done work for me before and I know he's good. My insurance has the glass policy thing, so I just had him do it. As for other problems, I may be the only guy with a truck like mine that has had 0 problems, or maybe I'm just lucky. I have a '98 Ford F-150 5.4 auto. No piston slap, no door crack, no anything. I has been flawless. Now that I've jinxed it, it probably won't start tomorrow morning, so knock on wood.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    Budlitedude3:
    Oh, and don't ever plan on rebuilding that engine.
    They are like all [non-permissible content removed] and Tiawanese parts....use
    once, then throw away."

    F150Rules:
    For as long as I can remember, people looked for
    anything made in Taiwan, Korea, China, Japan, etc.
    Stayed far far away from it because the products
    were made cheap and with slave labor. They still
    have an element of that name of use once then throw away.
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    it's time to get off the f150 topic and start
    facing the questions asked of you, oh, i forgot
    you don't know the answers to anything only what
    you can find out about f150 from obyone (one of
    the chevy guys of course) so just like RWELL, get
    your head back in there where it belongs....
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    read that as "rwell and bama show" LOL
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    just turned 11k miles on my '00 z71. zero trips to the service center for other than routine maintenance. now, i'm in the same boat as bigsnag...knocking on wood and hoping i haven't just jinxed myself. i too, have a chip in my windshield (from the first freakin' week i got it) but haven't had it fixed yet. don't want some pimply faced, high-school punk in my truck just yet. i get my glass fixed for free also (4 windshields in the past 3 years) through my insurance company so that's not the issue.

    for those of you wondering about the name change...had to do it for ideological purposes...but yep, it's still the same me. ;)

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    so, assuming it's the same guy, he posts similar
    statements under different names. better than you, cuz you post the same identical crap over adn over (and dodge the real issues) under the same name.

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    below is a list of "ole faithful" put-downs the tundra guys like to hop around to and how everyone else feels about them:

    1. vibrations - all gm fans have accepted the fact that SOME sierras/'rados vibrate. gm has zeroed in on this problem and prob'ly has it licked for 2001. tundra fans: due to a lack of repsonse to this challenge, apparently still think an alignment/balance will fix theirs. but it won't and in fact, toyota has no clue what's causing theirs.

    2. frame stress/cross-member deal - made up by rob. nothing factual/official to warrant concern. was dead months ago, not sure why we're still talking about it. *shrug*

    3. abs problem - identified and fixed in a month...dead issue.

    4. main bearing - never has been an issue, 'cept with the tundra guys...dead issue.

    5. reliability - tundra's reputation is sliding rapidly, tundra guys not sure what to do/think about it...interesting issue when consumer reports eval on 2001 tundra comes out.

    6. domestic sales slipping - new models about to come out, will bounce back in a month or so...dead issue.

    7. defective tires (firestones) - japanese owned, american made company producing a defective or incomplete product. just like toyota tundra...again, dead issue.

    have i missed anything?

    bco
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    Idealogical purposes?
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    look who just popped in, it's Malph with a
    question as usual. how come never an answer
    malph?


    ...red
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    cdean's quotes of the day:

    "You won't answer, me still insulting intelligence."
    (yep, your still insulting intelligence)

    "the digger you deep the harder it is to get out."
    (Sounds like your way deep into it already!)
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    ralph is here too. boy ralph and malph inside of
    a few minutes. now here's a good example of
    double identitys if there ever was one.
    ralph and malph or ralph is malph(more likely
    than not) you're a big joke. go out and fix your
    tonka tous and quit being an idiot(s).

    ...red
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Redsilverado says:

    "If you want a good chevy, put in a special number, or else they just slap them together."
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    yep. not gonna explain it...just accept it and dodge on, if you will.

    red, gotta agree on that one. two morons contributing the same level of crap. too similar to be different.

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    and ralph/malph (hey, it's PAT!) starts slinging the personal attacks again...go figger.

    c'mon rob...you can't add to the list i posted above? we're only at 7 right now...surely you can fabricate three more and get us into double digits. c'mon...go find some more ficticious gm problems for us.

    bco
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Two heads are better than 1??? I dont think that applies here its the opposite.


    Ryan
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Using a DNA double helix to illustrate your point was great! If cdean can't understand this very vivid and simple description, then he's playing dumb. Alternatively, he may not be playing!
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Why are you chevy owner's posting fictitious problems?
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    They are posting their own REAL problems, all of their supporters are thrown off of this site. I wonder why?
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    Who is WERKING? Oh, it just must be a Chevy loser thrown off of this site. Let me know when you want to talk trucks.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    I've seen posts from these guys telling their fellow Silverado owners not to post problems. They badger them into suffering silently so GM trucks wont look so bad. Truly pitiful tactics!
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    bamatundra and rwellbaum2 are useless and have nothing to contribute. They seem to be all worked up about some guy they think I am. Kinda seems a little kinky to me. Maybe they actually kinda liked this guy too much or something. They sure like bringing him up.

    Robbie, I have asked you repeatedly to teach me all about mechanics. I have even asked you specific questions that I would like you to explain to me. You say I don't know anything about mechanics and that you know so much, yet, as with every other question or fact presented to you about the Tundra, you dodge the question or fact and change the subject, posting some kind of third grade name calling tantrum along with bamatundra.

    Why don't you little boys either start addressing the issues presented, talk trucks, or take your grade school recess somewhere else.

    Care to answer the questions?
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    I had no idea you would take it that farr Kyle??

    LOL

    Must like that name eh?

    Losers are the scared tundra fans not man enough to come to my site.....

    - Tim
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    the new call sign is pretty cool..

    BTW i just found out that ralph/malph are
    victimized children (abused children) so go easy
    on them.

    ...red
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    if ralph and malph came to your site they would
    get the wippin' of their life and they know it,
    so most likely they're not gonna go there. but if
    they did......well lets just say that they'd come
    back and pretty embaressed too..

    ...red
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    "idealogical problems"?
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I visited your website. Good job. I think that you should change your website address to "those blindly loyal to Silverado.com".
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    #23 of 35: pig in a poke (gmcsierra) Fri 14 Jul '00 (07:47 PM)

    losbyrones

    To kinda sum up the few hundred posts:

    1: front end vibrations(Some are bad goodyear
    tires some are caused by ???

    2: rear end sag/bouncing(replace leaf springs)

    3: wind noise(quarter windows/doors)

    4: leaky/broken back sliding glass

    5: Launch shudder when pulling out with
    load(seems to be mostly ext. cabs)

    6: Lots of other little things that unless you
    are told about, you probably won't notice

    Summation: Pig in a poke!

    Some people get good ones, some don't.

    You might want to check in in the Silverado topic,
    they have lots of good stuff there.

    I have a 2000 std cab, stepside, SLE, 5.3 auto,
    handling package, 3.42 rear, 2wd
    2500 miles so far and none of the problems others
    have encountered.

    Keep us posted on your new truck. The brakes are
    sensitive, but you do get used to them. Mine
    aren't mushy, but I believe that the feel of brakes
    depend on what you have been used to driving. My
    thought anyway...
    Gas mileage has been pretty good, just filled up
    the tank tonight. Waited until the low fuel light
    came on an there was still 7 gal. of gas in the
    tank. Std cab has 26 gal tank and ext. cab has 34
    I believe. Went 393 miles on 19 gal of gas (around
    20 miles/gal roughly) can't complain.

    later

    gmc sierra
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    since you fellas are the same, i'll address you as one. yes, ideological problems. what part of that do you not understand. i didn't get the boot, i've simply changed my name. get over it already. and, if you can, address the real issues, not what people's names are...

    bco
  • bcobco Member Posts: 756
    you all satisfied now...that i'm not a "bad boy" and didn't get booted? so...what's the cop-out du jour? or are you guys going to finally answer a question or two?

    all out are you? well go ahead...make up something new...entertain us please...

    bco
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    I doubt you have been there.....if you have...let's talk there?

    - Tim
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    Ideological problems?
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    or ralph/malph as you're known now, every where
    on this site and elsewhere, what happened? i mean
    what's with the immature posting? your acting
    like a complete moron lately. what are afraid of?

    ...red
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    one more thing, since you guy(s) show the
    hostility that you do towards no toyota owners, i
    gotta ask, are you also a racist? it's really
    startin' to show.

    ...red
  • meredithmeredith Member Posts: 575
    For purposes of efficiency....

    this topic is being "frozen." Please continue these discussions in Topic 2190 Tundra vs the Big 3 - Continued III. Thanks.

    Front Porch Philosopher
    SUV, Pickups, & Aftermarket and Accessories Host
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