"This has been my greatest fear all along!! Toyota doesn't know what the problem is or it's too expensive to retrofit all previously made and sold Tundras.
Just got a call from the factory - their tech said that it was driving like a dream when he left. According to the Cust. Rep, that's toyota's position, and if I don't like it, I should contact my Attorney General. I'm disgusted now. I think it's time to get decals for the truck - big yellow letters, and park it outside the dealership - "Motor Trend's VIBRATING TRUCK of the Year - TOYOTA CUSTOMER SERVICE SUCKS" until it's lemoned out.
For all of those keeping their fingers crossed for me, hoping that the truck would vibrate - it did! The technmphician found it at 60-70 mph - so that's one thing to be thankful for. What he did about it, makes me boil.
I got a call from the dealer this afternoon, telling me it's fixed. I asked what they had done. They said two things - rebalance, and lower the pressure in the front. That's all they did.
Just bought a thunder gray Tundra this Monday and was interested to note that the tires and rims where marked when it was delivered from the factory!!! This truck was straight from the manufacturer, had not been on the lot more than a day. Why would the factory mark the rims unless there are slippage concerns?
UPDATE: I finally got Toyota USA to agree to give me the alloy wheels for the steel wheels they said were bad (They first told me I had to pay 50% for the alloy replacement) There is no change in the vibrations in the cab and steering wheel. Maybe a very slight improvement, but not enough to say it's gone.
I noticed on the ticket that the tech noted a second order driveline vibration. This means the NVH is picking up the vibration 2 times for every 1 revolution of the driveshaft. Have they tried to swap a driveline from another Tundra to see if it helps? I think that would be the cheapest way for them to check, a driveline is about $1500.00
Stan, my Tundra and most of the others develop the best shakes at the 58 mph level though they can occur at other speeds including your 48 mph. The problem with most of us is that is is intermittent and not all the time.
Has anyone else noticed that the vibration is more pronounced just after the vehicle reaches 4th-overdrive (48mph)? I noticed that the violence of the shake increases right after it goes into overdrive - especially if I immediately engage the cruise control and maintain 48mph. The vibration seems to be with me all the time now - and at most speeds.
I completed my "Satisfaction Survey" on Friday - I documented problems with the 1)suspension, 2) brakes, 3) driveline, and transmission all of which are problems relating to this vibration problem. I also marked the box - would probably not buy another Tundra!! I made several notes about the vibration problems a bunch of us are having and how Toyota needs to fix the new models coming out soon AND all 2000 Tundras too!!
FILL OUT AND RETURN THESE SURVEYS!!!!
Stan"
Ok please let me know when i can stop. I am having a blast proving that the tundra isnt as "reliable" and as "perfect" as you guys thought. Please just admit it and save yourself from more humiliation. All truck have problems and from these last few post i have PROVED that this is oh so true.
Sorry for posting that and sounding negative about the tundra no disrespect to you. I had to pull out some good hard evidence and be blunt with it to show people that just because its toyota doesnt mean it is perfect. The knock the big 3 for reliability and dependability and quality issues but if you take a look these issues should be also addressed with toyota but they seem to have blinders on and dont see it. I agree there is no prefect truck. That is where i was going with those posts. Hopefully your wont exhibit any problems i dont wish any problems on anyone. It seems to really only be 2wd trucks though just like the chevys. Glad you seen my point hopefully others will too.
I have a chevy silverado 4wd no problems other than a dash rattle which is getting fixed monday. I posted all that stuff to show our friend RWELL that all this toyota is better than the big 3 in quality and reliability is crap. He thinks that toyota is invisible from problems like these. Seemed as if you in the other topic also think that toyota is so much better than gm ford and dodge because its "quality" is so much better well if you look at those statements you can clearly see they are having the same problems. Everything mechanical is prone to problems and i had to prove to RWELL that toyota is having problems because he didnt and probably will still deny it.
Does anyone here live in NY state and know what the pickuptruck/parkway law is? I've got a tundra x-cab 4wd and am from Delaware and need to head North on a few of the Parkways. I've heard different stories about gvrw/unladen weight/commercial tags/passenger tags/law's gonna change soon/law's already changed/ and everything in between. I've got the truck mentioned above with passenger tags and it's unmodified.
ryan - you immature, foolish, kid. quit publishing these LIES! we all know they're all MADE UP. none of those are true. *sniff* toyota would *sniff sniff* never make an *sniff sniff* unreliable *sniff* p-p-p-roduct...*WAAHHHHHHHHHH*
i bought less truck for more buck and it still SUCKS!!!
never answer the questions. You guys are right - what a joke. I'll admit my truck is not perfect, but does not suffer any vibs., or rattles. Still it could be better, but robbie - hehehe what a laugh...
This is the best! Keep it coming Ryan et al. I've never seen so many words with so little content. Some guy has a tire shimmy at 65 mph (balance, duh!) and you have blown it up larger than life!
FACT: OVER 10,000 Y2K GM TRUCKS WERE MANUFACTURED WITH DEFECTIVE ABS. MANY OWNERS WERE NEVER NOTIFIED
FACT: OVER 200,000 Y2K GM TRUCKS SOLD WITH INHERENT FRAME DESIGN DEFECT, CAUSING FRONT END VIBRATION.
FACT: SILVERADO TOWS LESS THAN TUNDRA UNLESS SPECIAL EQUIPMENT IS PURCHASED
FACT: SILVERADO CARRIES LESS WEIGHT THAN TUNDRA
FACT: RYAN PAID 30K FOR HIS 4X4 TRUCK WHILE MY 4X4 TUNDRA WAS 26K
Good comeback less than i thought you would come with.
Whered you get those numbers from? My statements were from ACTUAL tundra owners. If you dont believe me go to that website and read the rest for yourself. I see i have wasted my time. I NEVER Freaking said the silverado didnt have problems. I tried to point out that THE TUNDRA ALSO has its own problems which you still seem to deny. Oh well
I see you failed elementary math. My math teacher taught me that 48,294 and 68,212 are greater than 8,271 by about 20,000 and 60,000 respectively. Better than Ford and Chevy sales????
Guess that also explains your rationalization of your Tundra purchase.
You really shot yourself in the foot on that one. You conveniently failed to show the Tacoma sales that were DOWN almost 30%. I guess Toyota is robbing Peter to pay Paul. You'd be silly to buy the Tacoma if with the big incentives the Tundra is near the same price.
WHy you think julys sale on the F-150s and silverados were lower? Everyone would rather wait for a 2001. Would you rather have a 2000 or wait a few wks and get a 2001???
Shakerado still love that one. Even when the tundra exhibits the same problems you criticize another company and overlook the problems with toyota. you hear only what you wanna hear.
An interesting theory on sales. Unfortunately you do not have any objective data to back it up. Don't you think that some of the 34,000 people who didn't buy Ford or Chevy bought Tundras instead?
F150 aka ZBAD aka DBHULL aka Budlitedude aka Budlitedude1 , 2, 3, ad nauseum is obviously a very confused individual. The concept of percent increases and decreases in sales is obviously way beyond his very limited intellect.
GM, has special financing and rebates on their trucks and its sales are still in the gutter. Toyota does not and their sales have held constant.
hey ernie, i did read about the reports on the silverado before i bought one.but i still bought one.i haven't even come close to regretting it. i love my truck.i test drove the ford,toyota,dak quad cab.chevy was definitely the one for me.and yes i would buy a chevy again.
haha you guys get better each day. Dumber than a box of rocks.
Tundra no rebates? Then why here in the chicagoland area they are giving $2500-$5000 off in the newspapers and on the trucks (stickers which say how much off) themselves on the lot?????
You toyota guys are all a sandwich short of a picnic.
reference your statement: "Toyota does not [have rebates and incentives] and their sales have held constant."
uh, no. from what i've read here, it seems that quite a few tundra dealers around the country are discounting their trucks. i know they are here in columbia, sc. ryan says they are in chicago. mod says they are in vegas.
far as the chevy/ford sales dropping...how many people have to tell you the new 2001's are coming out in a couple months before you realize the new 2001's are coming out in a couple months? people aren't going to pay a dealer the same amount of money for a 2000 truck when they can order (yes, i know that ordering a truck the way you want it is foreign to tundra owners) a 2001 for a negligible amount more?
yeah, i knew the reliability reports about the silverado before i bought it. i also knew why, and that they were being fixed with the new model year. so yes, i bought one, and yes, i'd buy another. no problems through 10,500+ miles
I read consumers report and other various magazine comparisons. it didnt stop me. I dont regret anything 4500 mls so far. Id buy another in a second. I woukdnt trade my truck for anything.
anyone else notice that for the longest time, tundras were better than everyone else because of their "reliability"? now, when shown that "tundra" and "reliability" go together as well as "oil" and "water", the stories are a-changin'. now, it's, "tundra sales glitched up 2% in the last month!!! and others are down as much as 15%." (of course, we won't mention part of the reason the tundra's glitched up 2% is because dealers are all but raffling them off...)
so tell me guys, when the 2001 chevys and fords come out and the sales sky-rocket again and the reliabiliy of the tundra plummets to -90% which it will when all the pissed off tundra owners who realize they've been duped start talking to mr. powers and his friends, what will you say then? i'm guessing it won't be much.
and robbie, like ryan said, nobody here is preaching how perfect domestic trucks are. when you're producing more trucks in a month than toyota does all year, problems occur. but you know as well as everyone else that a simple tire balance ain't gonna fix the problems those guys are describing on tundra solutions. i was reading yesterday that a couple guys are looking at having their entire drivelines replaced. i'd love to see the reaction if you posted, "hey you guys, my name's rob and i'm so smart, i have the answer to all your problems. just get your tires balanced, silly!" why don't you go do that and then come back and tell us how everything works out?
At this point in time, Consumer Reports on the Silverado shouldn't be taken seriously, good or bad. Consumer Reports compiles their numbers from actual customer surveys. First of all, there isn't much of a base of trucks out there yet to make a good statistical basis. And secondly, all problems reported by customers right now are warranty issues.
Wait 2 years before you believe the judgement of Consumer Reports...that goes for Tundra and Chevrolet new models. You will have a couple of million Chevrolets on the road, AND they will have much more time and miles on them, so you get a true reliability report from the customer.
Same goes for Tundra, and the couple of thousand they will have on the road by then.
My hat goes off to you. Good factual information. How can they turn this around and deny it??? Impossible. I think you can put a giant PERIOD on this discussion because its over. We have proved the toyota is IMPERFECT and suseptible to things going wrong just like domestic pickups. Ryan
almost got myself in trouble at work reading this one - i laughed out loud! from the tundra solutions board. under the "TUNDRA - SATISFACTION" thread. just like a tundra owner...spending more time on his knees than normal... ;-)
kyle
"Hello all. With a little over 1000 miles on my truck, I rate it a 10+ in everything. But some of these posts have me scared to death about vibration, brake warping, rattles and bad paint! Every night, before I go to bed, I pray, "Please God, if you know how much I paid for this truck, don't let it have these problems!" I'm a little concerned that I've felt it necessary to resort to this......"
Plenty of time on your hands to post all that! I'd say you chevy salesmen are getting desperate now that your sales are down. Those "hundreds" of vibration posts you describe were written by only 6 different people. These same 6 people have been posting horror stories since the Tundra came out. Look for yourself. Erkme and a couple of other guys have been posting for a year now. Besides, I for one, never said the Tundra was the "perfect" truck. However, my list of complaints(i.e. clock position)are very minor compared to 10,000 defective GM ABS brakes, improper fitting main engine bearings(all y2K silverados),etc. , etc.
If you'd like to make up your mind, intelligently...read ALL the topics and posts on Tundrasolutions. Next, read All the silverado/chevy topics on edmunds. I realize it would take months to get through all the many, many Silverado problem topics, but it will spare you from the obviously biased views from "our" inhouse chevy dealers.
I take it that Edmunds is cramping your style. They frown on foul language. Is this why your so desperate for others to join the "discussion" on your pottymouth site? Besides, I can't access the site, dang it! We are restricted to only a few sites, since the server in Riyad can only handle so much.
Quote of the day....
Typical Shakerado owner: "I know how bad the quality is rated but I bought it anyway. I'd rather replace my Silverado a hundred times than be caught driving a Toyota"
bamatundra hasn't figured anything out. He uses the same ill logic for assuming I am someone I am not, as the poor math skills used in determining truck sales, and naivity in choosing a truck purchase.
Every time I ask for details about who he thinks I am and such, he avoids the question, just like he avoids facts about faulty Tundras and such.
I have never owned anything but Fords, never had any major problems either. I guess that makes me the same as some other guy that he couldn't get along with here at Edmunds. This other guy probably presented facts that hurt too and the dislike of the guy comes from bamatundra not liking the facts that he pointed out. Just a guess, but the story seems to be the same with everyone else here presenting facts about the Tundra that he doesn't like. He approaches them with the same discord. Looks as though he likes nobody and the responses he gets back indicate he is not liked much either. All over a truck and his ego.
Horray!!!! Ryan can cut(using the round safety sissors) and paste(he prefers the taste of elmers). Ryan baby, why are you so upset about those 10,000+ (yep, that's five zeros folks) defective ABS units installed in GM trucks. Looks like GM got their inferior quality rating the old fashioned way....they earned it. I won't go into the 200,000 defectively designed and produced frames (GM has a retrofit fix that doesn't work according to the owners) or the equally troublesome main engine bearings built to improper tolerances. The latest sales figures for GM trucks, reflect that word of mouth about their quality control nightmares has started to get out.
If your not BLD, zbad, dbhull, then get over it and don't let it bother you. I still see alot of similarity though...and the timing of your arrival did coincide with dbhull getting the boot. All harmless coincidences, I'm sure!
you said "I won't go into the 200,000 defectively designed and produced frames (GM has a retrofit fix that doesn't work according to the owners)"
This is for 2wd trucks why is it that the tundra also is having these 2wd vib problems? Well read furthur;
This taken from kyles earlier NHTSA POST: Maybe you should try reading more thorughly.
Other current theories also take into account that the frame of the Tundra (like the 2000 Chevy/GMC 1500's) is so stiff that they transmit more vibration to the cabin than normal.
Many sports cars have frames that are 10X stiffer than any truck frame, yet they have no problem with vibrations. Yes, you do feel every bump and crack in the road, due to frame stiffness and springs and shocks and...., but not vibrations. That is a different problem. Chevy says that the new frame is the strongest frame ever put under a "CHEVY" truck. Woohoo!! That shouldn't have been very tough to do.
To be fair to chevy, the frame on their 3500 does have heavier guage still than the Tundra. The 1500 and 2500, however are the same thickness as the Tundra. Ford has a strong frame as well.
Funny how you say the vib problems on the tundra solutions site was only fabricated by 6 people. Well i just went through pg 1 of 9 to check out how many different people there were. Guess what i came up with? 26. Far cry from 6.
Thunder grey I'll check, but there is a well known problem with hyperactive rear brake adjusters on Tundras. Toyota is supposed to come out with a TSB on this.
Dude Boy As soon as I started reading posts about warped drums, I jacked up the back of my Tundra and found the rear brakes to be dragging a bit. I adjusted the bell cranks and cable as per instructions posted on this site. I also backed the star adjuster off a bit on the right rear. I have been avoiding using the parking brake whenever I can. About once every two or three weeks I have been jacking up the back to see if the brake drag has returned. Everything was fine until this weekend. I had to park a couple of times on some really steep hills and reverted to using the parking brake, set firmly. Jacked up the back to check when I got home and found the brakes dragging again! I backed the star adjusters off a bit and will keep watching it. I'm convinced that the self adjusters are over compensating, probably due to a design problem or too much interaction with the parking brake linkage. I'll be looking into the star adjuster fix when Toyota makes it available. Toyota ought to be compensating me for keeping these drums from warping!
Originally posted by Mark440: after a short absence..... Toyota and I are putting on the gloves pretty soon.
I left work friday night and by the time I got home, not only were the brakes doing the "warp" thing.....I had smoke coming from 3 of the 4 wheels. Now that looks real classy for a $30K truck!
Mark440 again Have been in talks the last few days with Gulf States Toyota (regional distributor). Not only have they acknowleded that Toyota is aware of the vibration and brake problems, but THEY have suggested that replacement or repurchase is an option that must be considered.
ERKME73 Thunder, no, I still don't have my truck back. We're pushing 10 days now, just to replace rims and tires. I'm really thinking about asking them to make a month's payment. Really, they've had it for over 30 days total now.
StansREGcabv84x4 I've scheduled ANOTHER service visit for tomorrow morning - Please stay tunded to "As my Tundra Shakes".
Tunofun My truck SHUDDERS when you lightly tap the brakes. The tech walked alongside while I tapped the brakes ever so slightly. He watched the upper control arms over th tire. The A arm rocked back and forth quite violently
Sometimes the price you pay for being a pioneer is that you come back with a few arrows in your head... Just a quick update - I dropped of the truck a few hours ago, and while there I asked my advisor for all the paperwork relating to the vibrations. Together we went into the dealer's filing room, and went to my file. Although he only gave me 4 service tickets, he did give me some of the technician's hand written notes. Boy are they something. I will try to scan some, and post them to my web site. Among things that the tech suggested - Transmission, rear shaft vibration, and most importantly (and incriminating), the form he filled out had a section that read, "visits for the same problem:" It then had pre-printed 1, 2, and 3 check boxes. The technician hand drew a new box with the number 7 next to it! HA! Admission! I now have an internal document from the dealer that, despite only 4 service tickets, says I've been there specifically for the 40-60 mph vibration, seven times! Priceless!
Tell me when i have made my point to you RWELL i doubt it will be soon if ever.
that whole brake issue is so dead and gone it's not even funny. we hashed that out and you guys know you were beaten. gm caught their mistake after a month. as for the frame issues, there's a reason you won't go into them: they're unsubstantiated. and again, (maybe you'll catch it this time, desert heat must be getting to you) sales are down in anticipation of the new model years.
oh, and since we're throwing out mystical numbers on the vibration problems, only 5 chevy owners have experienced the vibe problem, so now we're better than tundra. bama - figure out those percentages for me, would ya? thanks...LOL.
as i said before, you guys better come up with something a lot better to cry out in about six months when consumer reports reliability rating of tundra plummets, and domestic sales continue to soar...
in reply to your post #470: "Plenty of time on your hands to post all that!" - nah, 'bout 10 minutes, cut and paste are pretty nice features (not the kind with safety scissors and elmers either!)
"Those "hundreds" of vibration posts you describe were written by only 6 different people. These same 6 people have been posting horror stories since the Tundra came out." - I didn't call it hundreds - a tundra owner did. those hundreds of posts are for many more than 6 different people. and, if toyota was so great, those 6 people would not have been complaining this long. since tundra came out??? that's a long time to have to deal with a vibration problem!
"However, my list of complaints(i.e. clock position)are very minor compared to..." - well, if we're talking about our own complaints...i have none. no brake problems, vibes, or otherwise.
if you want to keep talking about the vibes (which occur in both tundras and chevys) or the abs systems, perhaps i need to remind you about the - at last count - 3 different airbag FAILURES in tundras?
my prediction of rob's reply: "blah blah, abs, blah blah, frame, blah blah, personal attack on me, blah blah, blind faith to toyota, blah blah blah."
"It then had pre-printed 1, 2, and 3 check boxes. The technician hand drew a new box with the number 7 next to it! HA! Admission! I now have an internal document from the dealer that, despite only 4 service tickets, says I've been there specifically for the 40-60 mph vibration, seven times! Priceless!"
do i see a mastercard commercial in here somewhere?
$28,000 (3 zeroes rob) for new model year toyota tundra
$21.95/month for internet access to visit tundrasolutions.com
carbon copy of service slip stating "best initial quality truck serviced seven times for same problem and still not fixed..." - priceless.
Havn't a clue what your intent on this post is. Actually, most of your posts do not address the questions presented to you and do not provide any content that supports your points.
Maybe you are referring to the majority of Tundra buyers being female or something. If so, I could believe that.
werking, Ryanbab - had someone throw a stone about the problem with piston slap the 5.4l Triton had in pre-2000 year trucks in the Tundra ABS topic. It was funny that this is the only real problem anyone focuses on with the Fords, because the reality is that the "problem" only affected 2% of all Tritons sold and only came from one assembly plant. Not to mention, Ford backed their trucks and replaced all the ps engines, even outside warranty with new or remanufactured engines, depending on year and mileage on the trucks. Also, out of all the whopping 2% reported ps trucks, none of those resulted in any failures or performance problems. Literally thousands of these "problem" ps engines went well beyond 150k miles without any failures or performance issues at all.
Ford Triton engines have been on the top 10 best engine list for 3 years running too. Havn't seen the Lexus car Tundra engine even mentioned.
Chevy's new Vortechs are top notch as well. All these Tundra owners try and focus on some problem of "loose clearances in the main bearings". First I have heard of this. Never heard of anyone with this problem, but according to Tundra owners, there are thousands of people getting engines replaced by GM because of it. Seems awfully fishy to me. Wouldn't there be a service bulletin or recall on this issue if it were so wide spread. I have yet to find one. Maybe the Tundra owners are wishing and dreaming up things to try and prove some kind of unsubstantiated point.
Never met a more prideful and arrogant bunch as the Tundra owners and their trucks.
I think the tundra owners think their truck is top of the line and nothin bad will or has happened to them. They want to ignore what we have to inform them about because they are hard headed when it comes to realizing toyota isnt "bullet proof" from problems.
Oh yea RWELL "10,000 and thats 5 zeros"???? Man your quite the rocket scientist no wonder why you cant realzie there are problems with the tundra just like there are problems with the big 3.
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Just got a call from the factory - their tech said that it was driving like a dream when he left. According to the Cust. Rep, that's toyota's position, and if I don't like it, I should contact my Attorney General. I'm disgusted now. I think it's time to get decals for the truck - big yellow letters, and park it outside the dealership - "Motor Trend's VIBRATING TRUCK of the Year - TOYOTA CUSTOMER SERVICE SUCKS" until it's lemoned out.
For all of those keeping their fingers crossed for me, hoping that the truck would vibrate - it did! The technmphician found it at 60-70 mph - so that's one thing to be thankful for. What he did about it, makes me boil.
I got a call from the dealer this afternoon, telling me it's fixed. I asked what they had done. They said two things - rebalance, and lower the pressure in the front. That's all they did.
Just bought a thunder gray Tundra this Monday and was interested to note that the tires and rims where marked when it was delivered from the factory!!! This truck was straight from the manufacturer, had not been on the lot more than a day. Why would the factory mark the rims unless there are slippage concerns?
UPDATE: I finally got Toyota USA to agree to give me the alloy wheels for the steel wheels they said were bad (They first told me I had to pay 50% for the alloy replacement) There is no change in the vibrations in the cab and steering wheel. Maybe a very slight improvement, but not enough to say it's gone.
I noticed on the ticket that the tech noted a second order driveline vibration. This means the NVH is picking up the vibration 2 times for every 1 revolution of the driveshaft. Have they tried to swap a driveline from another Tundra to see if it helps? I think that would be the cheapest way for them to check, a driveline is about $1500.00
Stan, my Tundra and most of the others develop the best shakes at the 58 mph level though they can occur at other speeds including your 48 mph. The problem with most of us is that is is intermittent and not all the time.
Has anyone else noticed that the vibration is more pronounced just after the vehicle reaches 4th-overdrive (48mph)? I noticed that the violence of the shake increases right after it goes into overdrive - especially if I immediately engage the cruise control and maintain 48mph.
The vibration seems to be with me all the time now - and at most speeds.
I completed my "Satisfaction Survey" on Friday - I documented problems with the 1)suspension, 2) brakes, 3) driveline, and transmission all of which are problems relating to this vibration problem. I also marked the box - would probably not buy another Tundra!! I made several notes about the vibration problems a bunch of us are having and how Toyota needs to fix the new models coming out soon AND all 2000 Tundras too!!
FILL OUT AND RETURN THESE SURVEYS!!!!
Stan"
Ok please let me know when i can stop. I am having a blast proving that the tundra isnt as "reliable" and as "perfect" as you guys thought. Please just admit it and save yourself from more humiliation. All truck have problems and from these last few post i have PROVED that this is oh so true.
Ryan
I agree there.. hopefully my truck doesn't develop those problems.
Ryan
Ryan
I've heard different stories about gvrw/unladen weight/commercial tags/passenger tags/law's gonna change soon/law's already changed/ and everything in between.
I've got the truck mentioned above with passenger tags and it's unmodified.
Any answers??
thanks
you immature, foolish, kid. quit publishing these LIES! we all know they're all MADE UP. none of those are true. *sniff* toyota would *sniff sniff* never make an *sniff sniff* unreliable *sniff* p-p-p-roduct...*WAAHHHHHHHHHH*
i bought less truck for more buck and it still SUCKS!!!
LOL!!!
kyle
I guess i was foolish to buy a chevy also
Ryan
FACT: OVER 10,000 Y2K GM TRUCKS WERE MANUFACTURED WITH DEFECTIVE ABS. MANY OWNERS WERE NEVER NOTIFIED
FACT: OVER 200,000 Y2K GM TRUCKS SOLD WITH INHERENT FRAME DESIGN DEFECT, CAUSING FRONT END VIBRATION.
FACT: SILVERADO TOWS LESS THAN TUNDRA UNLESS SPECIAL EQUIPMENT IS PURCHASED
FACT: SILVERADO CARRIES LESS WEIGHT THAN TUNDRA
FACT: RYAN PAID 30K FOR HIS 4X4 TRUCK WHILE MY 4X4 TUNDRA WAS 26K
Whered you get those numbers from? My statements were from ACTUAL tundra owners. If you dont believe me go to that website and read the rest for yourself. I see i have wasted my time. I NEVER Freaking said the silverado didnt have problems. I tried to point out that THE TUNDRA ALSO has its own problems which you still seem to deny. Oh well
i guess "ignorance is bliss"
Ryan
Guess that also explains your rationalization of your Tundra purchase.
Or maybe word is out that since Tundra sales were down the last 3 months, they are discounting prices so people are a little more interested.
Ford and Chevy are about to release new models. these are always the slowest months of the year. Sorry to burst your bubble.
You act like a guy looking at a red flag, demanding that it is blue.
Everyone reading this knows the flag is red...
Do i have to explain this...
Ryan
Shakerado still love that one. Even when the tundra exhibits the same problems you criticize another company and overlook the problems with toyota. you hear only what you wanna hear.
Ryan
YUP.....you sure showed us man....I see the light now..
come on over to my site.....if your mommy will let you...
- Tim
F150 aka ZBAD aka DBHULL aka Budlitedude aka Budlitedude1 , 2, 3, ad nauseum is obviously a very confused individual. The concept of percent increases and decreases in sales is obviously way beyond his very limited intellect.
GM, has special financing and rebates on their trucks and its sales are still in the gutter. Toyota does not and their sales have held constant.
Who is sucking wind on sales here?
CDEAN: "dismay all of Ryan's posts"
????
FYI in Vegas the Toy dealers are offering financing and matching down payments on year 2000 trucks.
How did you figure out F150? I'm usually the one who gets it first. LOL!!
haha you guys get better each day. Dumber than a box of rocks.
Tundra no rebates? Then why here in the chicagoland area they are giving $2500-$5000 off in the newspapers and on the trucks (stickers which say how much off) themselves on the lot?????
You toyota guys are all a sandwich short of a picnic.
Ryan
"Toyota does not [have rebates and incentives] and their sales have held constant."
uh, no. from what i've read here, it seems that quite a few tundra dealers around the country are discounting their trucks. i know they are here in columbia, sc. ryan says they are in chicago. mod says they are in vegas.
far as the chevy/ford sales dropping...how many people have to tell you the new 2001's are coming out in a couple months before you realize the new 2001's are coming out in a couple months? people aren't going to pay a dealer the same amount of money for a 2000 truck when they can order (yes, i know that ordering a truck the way you want it is foreign to tundra owners) a 2001 for a negligible amount more?
duh!
kyle
kyle
I read consumers report and other various magazine comparisons. it didnt stop me. I dont regret anything 4500 mls so far. Id buy another in a second. I woukdnt trade my truck for anything.
Ryan
anyone else notice that for the longest time,
tundras were better than everyone else because of
their "reliability"? now, when shown that "tundra" and "reliability" go together as well as "oil" and "water", the stories are a-changin'. now, it's, "tundra sales glitched up 2% in the last month!!! and others are down as much as 15%." (of course, we won't mention part of the reason the tundra's glitched up 2% is because dealers are all but raffling them off...)
so tell me guys, when the 2001 chevys and fords
come out and the sales sky-rocket again and the
reliabiliy of the tundra plummets to -90% which it
will when all the pissed off tundra owners who
realize they've been duped start talking to mr.
powers and his friends, what will you say then?
i'm guessing it won't be much.
and robbie, like ryan said, nobody here is
preaching how perfect domestic trucks are. when
you're producing more trucks in a month than toyota does all year, problems occur. but you know as well as everyone else that a simple tire balance ain't gonna fix the problems those guys are describing on tundra solutions. i was reading yesterday that a couple guys are looking at having their entire drivelines replaced. i'd love to see the reaction if you posted, "hey you guys, my name's rob and i'm so smart, i have the answer to all your problems. just get your tires balanced, silly!" why don't you go do that and then come back and tell us how everything works out?
kyle
Wait 2 years before you believe the judgement of Consumer Reports...that goes for Tundra and Chevrolet new models. You will have a couple of million Chevrolets on the road, AND they will have much more time and miles on them, so you get a true reliability report from the customer.
Same goes for Tundra, and the couple of thousand they will have on the road by then.
Ryan
kyle
"Hello all. With a little over 1000 miles on my truck, I rate it a 10+ in everything. But some of these posts have me scared to death about vibration, brake warping, rattles and bad paint! Every night, before I go to bed, I pray, "Please God, if you know how much I paid for this truck, don't let it have these problems!" I'm a little concerned that I've felt it necessary to resort to this......"
Quote of the day....
Typical Shakerado owner: "I know how bad the quality is rated but I bought it anyway. I'd rather replace my Silverado a hundred times than be caught driving a Toyota"
Well i guess #2 and #4 Wins the pool darnit i had #1
Ryan
Every time I ask for details about who he thinks I am and such, he avoids the question, just like he avoids facts about faulty Tundras and such.
I have never owned anything but Fords, never had any major problems either. I guess that makes me the same as some other guy that he couldn't get along with here at Edmunds. This other guy probably presented facts that hurt too and the dislike of the guy comes from bamatundra not liking the facts that he pointed out. Just a guess, but the story seems to be the same with everyone else here presenting facts about the Tundra that he doesn't like. He approaches them with the same discord. Looks as though he likes nobody and the responses he gets back indicate he is not liked much either. All over a truck and his ego.
Ryan can cut(using the round safety sissors) and paste(he prefers the taste of elmers).
Ryan baby, why are you so upset about those 10,000+ (yep, that's five zeros folks) defective ABS units installed in GM trucks. Looks like GM got their inferior quality rating the old fashioned way....they earned it.
I won't go into the 200,000 defectively designed and produced frames (GM has a retrofit fix that doesn't work according to the owners) or the equally troublesome main engine bearings built to improper tolerances. The latest sales figures for GM trucks, reflect that word of mouth about their quality control nightmares has started to get out.
If your not BLD, zbad, dbhull, then get over it and don't let it bother you. I still see alot of similarity though...and the timing of your arrival did coincide with dbhull getting the boot. All harmless coincidences, I'm sure!
This is for 2wd trucks why is it that the tundra also is having these 2wd vib problems? Well read furthur;
This taken from kyles earlier NHTSA POST: Maybe you should try reading more thorughly.
Other current theories also take into account that
the frame of the Tundra (like the 2000 Chevy/GMC
1500's) is so stiff that they transmit more
vibration to the cabin than normal.
Ryan
Ryan
I'll check, but there is a well known problem with hyperactive rear brake adjusters on Tundras. Toyota is supposed to come out with a TSB on this.
Dude Boy
As soon as I started reading posts about warped drums, I jacked up the back of my Tundra and found the rear brakes to be dragging a bit. I adjusted the bell cranks and cable as per instructions posted on this site. I also backed the star adjuster off a bit on the right rear. I have been avoiding using the parking brake whenever I can. About once every two or three weeks I have been jacking up the back to see if the brake drag has returned. Everything was fine until this weekend. I had to park a couple of times on some really steep hills and reverted to using the parking brake, set firmly. Jacked up the back to check when I got home and found the brakes dragging again! I backed the star adjusters off a bit and will keep watching it. I'm convinced that the self adjusters are over compensating, probably due to a design problem or too much interaction with the parking brake linkage. I'll be looking into the star adjuster fix when Toyota makes it available. Toyota ought to be compensating me for keeping these drums from warping!
Originally posted by Mark440:
after a short absence.....
Toyota and I are putting on the gloves pretty soon.
I left work friday night and by the time I got home, not only were the brakes doing the "warp" thing.....I had smoke coming from 3 of the 4 wheels. Now that looks real classy for a $30K truck!
Mark440 again
Have been in talks the last few days with Gulf States Toyota (regional distributor). Not only have they acknowleded that Toyota is aware of the vibration and brake problems, but THEY have suggested that replacement or repurchase is an option that must be considered.
ERKME73
Thunder, no, I still don't have my truck back. We're pushing 10 days now, just to replace rims and tires. I'm really thinking about asking them to make a month's payment. Really, they've had it for over 30 days total now.
WILLYWAXER
Owners of other Toyota trucks have been complaining of vibrations for a long time. Here's a link to discussion of a known cause:
http://forums.vmag.com/suv4run0499/messages/3295.html
StansREGcabv84x4
I've scheduled ANOTHER service visit for tomorrow morning - Please stay tunded to "As my Tundra Shakes".
Tunofun
My truck SHUDDERS when you lightly tap the brakes. The tech walked alongside while I tapped the brakes ever so slightly. He watched the upper control arms over th tire. The A arm rocked back and forth
quite violently
Sometimes the price you pay for being a pioneer is that you come back with a few arrows in your head...
Just a quick update - I dropped of the truck a few hours ago, and while there I asked my advisor for all the paperwork relating to the vibrations. Together we went into the dealer's filing room, and went to my file. Although he only gave me 4 service tickets, he did give me some of the technician's hand written notes. Boy are they something. I will try to scan some, and post them to my web site. Among things that the tech suggested - Transmission, rear shaft vibration, and most importantly (and incriminating), the form he filled out had a section that read, "visits for the same problem:" It then had pre-printed 1, 2, and 3 check boxes. The technician hand drew a new box with the number 7 next to it! HA! Admission! I now have an internal document from the dealer that, despite only 4 service tickets, says I've been there specifically for the 40-60 mph vibration, seven times! Priceless!
Tell me when i have made my point to you RWELL i doubt it will be soon if ever.
Ryan
"10,000+ (yep, that's five zeros folks)"
actually there are FOUR zeroes in 10,000. LOL!!!
that whole brake issue is so dead and gone it's not even funny. we hashed that out and you guys know you were beaten. gm caught their mistake after a month. as for the frame issues, there's a reason you won't go into them: they're unsubstantiated. and again, (maybe you'll catch it this time, desert heat must be getting to you) sales are down in anticipation of the new model years.
oh, and since we're throwing out mystical numbers on the vibration problems, only 5 chevy owners have experienced the vibe problem, so now we're better than tundra. bama - figure out those percentages for me, would ya? thanks...LOL.
as i said before, you guys better come up with something a lot better to cry out in about six months when consumer reports reliability rating of tundra plummets, and domestic sales continue to soar...
kyle
in reply to your post #470:
"Plenty of time on your hands to post all that!"
- nah, 'bout 10 minutes, cut and paste are pretty nice features (not the kind with safety scissors and elmers either!)
"Those "hundreds" of vibration posts you describe were written by only 6 different people. These same 6 people have been posting horror stories since the Tundra came out."
- I didn't call it hundreds - a tundra owner did. those hundreds of posts are for many more than 6 different people. and, if toyota was so great, those 6 people would not have been complaining this long. since tundra came out??? that's a long time to have to deal with a vibration problem!
"However, my list of complaints(i.e. clock
position)are very minor compared to..."
- well, if we're talking about our own complaints...i have none. no brake problems, vibes, or otherwise.
if you want to keep talking about the vibes (which occur in both tundras and chevys) or the abs systems, perhaps i need to remind you about the - at last count - 3 different airbag FAILURES in tundras?
my prediction of rob's reply: "blah blah, abs, blah blah, frame, blah blah, personal attack on me, blah blah, blind faith to toyota, blah blah blah."
LOL!!!
kyle
"It then had pre-printed 1, 2, and 3
check boxes. The technician hand drew a new box
with the number 7 next to it! HA! Admission! I now
have an internal document from the dealer that,
despite only 4 service tickets, says I've been
there specifically for the 40-60 mph vibration,
seven times! Priceless!"
do i see a mastercard commercial in here somewhere?
$28,000 (3 zeroes rob) for new model year toyota tundra
$21.95/month for internet access to visit tundrasolutions.com
carbon copy of service slip stating "best initial quality truck serviced seven times for same problem and still not fixed..." - priceless.
LOL!!!
kyle
Havn't a clue what your intent on this post is. Actually, most of your posts do not address the questions presented to you and do not provide any content that supports your points.
Maybe you are referring to the majority of Tundra buyers being female or something. If so, I could believe that.
It was funny that this is the only real problem anyone focuses on with the Fords, because the reality is that the "problem" only affected 2% of all Tritons sold and only came from one assembly plant. Not to mention, Ford backed their trucks and replaced all the ps engines, even outside warranty with new or remanufactured engines, depending on year and mileage on the trucks. Also, out of all the whopping 2% reported ps trucks, none of those resulted in any failures or performance problems. Literally thousands of these "problem" ps engines went well beyond 150k miles without any failures or performance issues at all.
Ford Triton engines have been on the top 10 best engine list for 3 years running too. Havn't seen the Lexus car Tundra engine even mentioned.
Chevy's new Vortechs are top notch as well. All these Tundra owners try and focus on some problem of "loose clearances in the main bearings". First I have heard of this. Never heard of anyone with this problem, but according to Tundra owners, there are thousands of people getting engines replaced by GM because of it. Seems awfully fishy to me. Wouldn't there be a service bulletin or recall on this issue if it were so wide spread. I have yet to find one. Maybe the Tundra owners are wishing and dreaming up things to try and prove some kind of unsubstantiated point.
Never met a more prideful and arrogant bunch as the Tundra owners and their trucks.
Oh yea RWELL "10,000 and thats 5 zeros"???? Man your quite the rocket scientist no wonder why you cant realzie there are problems with the tundra just like there are problems with the big 3.