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  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    Right now I am thinking of getting a no nonsense winter auto like the ToyotaRAV4.
    I know, I know this vehicle is the antithesis of an enthusiast vehicle but at least I will have my 335i during the other three seasons.


    Go for a VW Tiguan instead, at least you'll have a little fun.

    Or, better yet, do what Tag and I did, and get an A3/GTI! Those cars are a blast and can get through any winter with ease.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    As long as when I step in the car and don't have to pull out the key then I am good, it's all about convenience.

    Hmm, I see your mentality. It is nice to have, but since I don't have it on either of my Audis, I don't get used to having it on the X5.

    I am 100% absolutely positive that the new C still requires the driver to insert the key fob into the dash.

    Sounds like what's on the base X5. You have to insert the key fob into an annoying slot and then push the button. :sick: What's the point?

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    Whilst one can criticize Acura (or any brand) for whatever reason, I don't think I've ever met an owner who was displeased with their Acura.

    Me.

    I had a great time with my '92 Vigor. It was a handsome sedan with a decent interior and above average performance.

    However, when my lease was up I swapped it for a '96 TL. Not a smart move. It was utterly boring. It didn't do anything particularly well, and I felt like I had blown extra cash on an Accord with leather and 16" wheels.

    The lease was mercifully over by 2000 and then came the Audi A6 2.7T... the rest is history ;)

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    The EX is the new performance king, and I love that interior, but it's a lot more cramped than the X3 is. Too cramped, I think.

    Correct. Believe it or not, the EX35 has less rear legroom than the G37 coupe.

    link title

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    Sorry Tag, but regardless of what EGM says, I think the Q5 will still compete with the X3/GLK, and it could be a crossover-class car, also competing with the RX and ML.

    Look at those engine choices: 3.0TFSI 4 (WTF is that??? 3.0TFSI V6 is much more likely), with a 3.2L V6 range-topper??? Most SUVs in the MDX/RX/ML class have more than that in their standard engines, with one or more V8s available.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    I've always thought that if they would just lengthen that hood a bit, and add the vents, they could get some of that incredible XKE look. Oh well. I must be the only one.

    It's really the XK that's supposed to be the modern E-type. The F-type or whatever its production X(?) name would be should turn out to be a more focused sports car, aimed at the Boxster.
  • bmlexusbmlexus Member Posts: 755
    Which x5 is ur's 4.8i? any experience all abbt it with the driving handling comfort tires.any troubles mechanically with it which i heard countless times.

    Saw a new x5 in monaco blue next to my house looks nice.and a S65 amg.

    I have another ques why does every 1 over and over keep writing this.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    By the way, I love every car you mentioned there. At that price, if I couldn't have an R8, I would get a Maser GT! That car is simply incredible!

    And it's just so gorgeous. The Maserati is probably the only car able to challenge the DB9 for best looking car currently in production. On looks alone, the Maser beats any F430, 599, or 612 hands down.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    However, when my lease was up I swapped it for a '96 TL. Not a smart move. It was utterly boring. It didn't do anything particularly well, and I felt like I had blown extra cash on an Accord with leather and 16" wheels.

    The mid to late '90s was not a good period for Acura, or a lot of the Japanese motor industry in general. They killed off their strong brand names for unknown letter combinations. The Legend was actually a pretty nice car to drive. The '96 RL was not. The TL became decent..ish, for '99, but the rest of the lineup remained quite weak until the RSX and MDX came along.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    It's really the XK that's supposed to be the modern E-type. The F-type or whatever its production X(?) name would be should turn out to be a more focused sports car, aimed at the Boxster.

    Oh yes, that's true. But just as the BMW Z competes with the Boxster, it manages to have a longer hood with that front engine layout. What's to stop Jaguar from a little stretch of the hood and still compete with the Boxster?

    If I had my way, the XK would definately have a longer hood, a few other little adjustments, and give the SL a real run for its money.

    TM
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Sorry Tag, but regardless of what EGM says, I think the Q5 will still compete with the X3/GLK, and it could be a crossover-class car, also competing with the RX and ML.

    Sorry, esf... I hear ya', but I still agree with egmCarTech on this. The Q5 would be slotted size-wise with the Toureg and Cayenne and MDX and ML.

    The Q3 would be sized more like the Tiguan, RDX, GLK, and X3.

    This is not about engines. This is about vehicle size.

    And, when we do consider the engines, I truly expect to start seeing smaller displacement engine selections throughout many vehicles over the next years, as well as the alternative powertrains... all in an effort to achieve better fuel efficiency... and address the ongoing complaints that SUVs and Crossovers have previously gotten poor mileage.

    TagMan
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,214
    "Whilst one can criticize Acura (or any brand) for whatever reason, I don't think I've ever met an owner who was displeased with their Acura.

    Me."

    Ah, esf. But we've never met... ;)

    And I don't doubt your review. However, I'm sure for (again) any brand/model at some point in time in its history you would be able to find displeased owners, e.g. my Dad's friends who owned BMW Bavarias. Loved driving 'em, hated owning 'em... But BMW today, a different story no doubt.

    And with Acura, maybe I/my acquaintances and family have just had good timing: ownership in the late 80s (e.g. my Integra. Still the tightest car I've yet owned) and early/mid '00s (e.g. '03-'05 TL, MDX, RL). Anyway, imo Acura makes very fine automobiles at reasonable price points given the levels of equipment, performance, quality, reliability (and generally) economy. Yes, they are FWD, but to this New England skier, not a liability...

    As always, YMMV

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,214
    Your checkbook:

    Caution: These URLs may lead to heart stoppage!

    XKE

    or

    XK150

    If you wanna buy 'em, I'll drive 'em to you... :D

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    Caution: These URLs may lead to heart stoppage!

    No kidding. That 150 in particular is stunning. Still one of my absolute favorite cars ever made.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Ah yes... The 'ol "You buy, I'll fly" routine. LOL.

    Good find on those pics. That 150 is mint. Looks like a car for LG! ($134,800.00! :surprise: )

    At those prices, the XKE must be red. ;)

    BTW, are my eyes deceiving me, or did I see a 1963 split-window 'Vette behind the glass?

    TM
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    We've only had our 4.8i for three months, and I hope this stays true, but no, we haven't had any mechanical problems.

    It drives like a dream, it's very comfortable, and the tires are fine, although the ride would be better if it had non-run-flat tires.

    Ours is Deep Green Metallic. I've seen Monaco Blue, and I would take either one.

    I always write that because it's my signature. I realize it's obnoxious, but I got into the habit years ago and I can't just stop now!

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    I'll just say this:

    I think it will be in between. It won't be big enough to compete with the MDX (that's a big SUV, you know!), but it won't be small enough to go head-on with the X3. I'm guessing it will hit that sweet spot known as the Lexus RX.

    Pretty much like the Q7. It's not big enough to compete with the LX, but not small enough to compete with the X5... so it's more of a GX/GL competitor.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Saw one like yours parked next to me yesterday in Black/Black. Terrific looking SUV. Driver was in the vehicle, so I asked him how he liked it. Big smile... loves it!
    TM
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    You're absolutely right about timing. As LG pointed out, the '90s wasn't a good period for Acura (or Infiniti, though Lexus stayed pretty strong).

    My wife actually had an orig. Integra, and she loved it. Now is the perfect time for them to bring it back... we're in the land of 1 Series, A3s, GTIs and Mini Coopers!

    Yes, they are FWD, but to this New England skier, not a liability...

    Ah, don't take me for a BMW fanboy (dewey ;)). I can appreciate a fine FWD car, which is why I bought the A3. Now that the '09 RL has come out, I can also appreciate the TL's design, especially the racy Type-S. Stare it yours for a long time, because it could be the last time you'll see an attractive Acura.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Pretty much like the Q7. It's not big enough to compete with the LX, but not small enough to compete with the X5... so it's more of a GX/GL competitor.

    esf... I don't think so. The LX is not bigger than the GL.

    The GL is 200.6" long The LX comes in at 196.5".

    TM
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    Deep Green was her decision! If it had been my SAV, I would've gone with black/black, decked out with the sport package, 20" style 214 rims and the M aero kit!

    Anyway, nice to hear about another happy X owner.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Deep Green was her decision!

    Yes... women and cars.

    The primary reason for the VW Beetle and the Mitsubishi Eclipse, amongst other noteworthy achievements. ;)

    TM
  • bmlexusbmlexus Member Posts: 755
    I would've gone with black/black, decked out with the sport package, 20" style 214 rims and the M aero kit!

    what comes with the sport package?

    whats comes with the M aero kit? bumpers match M steering and?

    Anyway, nice to hear about another happy X owner

    who is the other x owner here?

    thanks.

    There seems to be something wrong with this top 14 SUV review link title
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    who is the other x owner here?

    Not someone here... Just someone I spoke to yesterday with an X5 similar to esf's... in black/black... said he loved the vehicle.

    Your link won't work. So... I've re-posted it for you...

    Luxury-Midsize-SUVs

    TagMan
  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    Back from my Pyrenees—Alpes driving tour in a BMW 1 Series. Here is the report.

    The car: A rented, battled :cry: 2007 118d 3-door; 6 speed manual gearbox; basic equipment (standard seats, no flat-run tires, no active steering). But she got EfficientDynamics (braking-energy storage/delivering and engine stop/start function at full stops).

    The journey: 1,600 miles on highways and mountain roads, from see-shore up to 6,666 foot-high and back. Three one-day stages to go (the first one to Cauterets at Central Pyrenees, the other two to Aime-La-Plaigne 2000 close to the Mont-Blanc at The Alps). Only one stage back from there (700 miles; 14 hours encompassing the Foster's Milleau Viaduct :surprise: and stops every 2/3 hours).

    The load: Two adult persons with all necessary skiing stuff and assorted wear, it including some party clothing, for two weeks.

    The ride (on the front seats): Comfortable for people up to 6 feet-tall. Rear seats were folded; I cannot say anything about sitting on the latter for a long while.

    The drivers: My wife and I, in even turns.

    The speed (highways): Cruising at about 81-85 miles•hour, with ocassional peaks up to 99 miles•hour. A couple of nasty traffic jams take off an hour and a half from the joy of driving. A couple of dozens of tolling gates did it too.

    The driving: That little diesel BMW is really a BMW. It is not a street car. She can be truly considered as a small-size roadster. Steering and cornering was accurate and balanced. Stability was assured under any circumstance (e.g., hard breaking). Enough acceleration for cruising and climbing even at the final mountain-road laces. To my surprise, the stop/start function worked nicely; it was intuitive and not intrusive with the stop-and-go driving at the traffic jams and lights. Comfort was not bad given the size of the car. All in all, the car behaved pretty pretty well. My wife liked this car even more than ours 530d and Mini Cooper. I agreed with her she is a great car for having fun, but I'd rather keep going with Series 3-5 because of the passenger/cargo space.

    And the full trip averaged mileage was… 40.55 miles•gallon (USA Units). How good, how well: less is more! :shades:

    Regards,
    Jose

    Foster's Milleau Viaduct at http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Projects/1158/Default.aspx

    More car specifications (taken from link title) :
    Model: BMW 118d 3-door
    Price: from £18,225
    Engine: 1,995cc, four cylinders, 16 valves, turbodiesel, 143bhp at 4,000rpm, 258lb ft at 2,000rpm (British Units)
    Transmission: six-speed gearbox, rear-wheel drive
    Performance: 130mph, 0-62 in 8.9sec, 60.1mpg official average (British Units); CO2: 123g/km

    Also: http://www.topgear.com/blogs/drives/070-bmw-118d/
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    I'm guessing it will hit that sweet spot known as the Lexus RX.

    The RX is currently 186". If the Q5 comes in at or below that mark, we'll definitely consider it. We decided not to get another RX this time really because she wanted to try something else, not because it was just too big like the MDX. The EX is actually one of the longest of the compact utes at 182", and yet it has legroom in back like a 2+2 coupe. Boo Infiniti!
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Here's the current overall lengths of some SUVs... Any surprises?

    206.90" - Infiniti QX
    200.60" - Mercedes GL
    200.23" - Audi Q7
    196.50" - Lexus LX
    ----------------------------
    191.10" - BMW X5
    190.70" - Acura MDX
    189.10" - Infiniti FX
    188.90" - Porsche Cayenne
    188.50" - Mercedes ML
    188.20" - Lexus GX
    187.20" - VW Toureg
    186.20" - Lexus RX
    ----------------------------
    182.30" - Infiniti EX
    180.70" - Acura RDX
    179.90" - BMW X3

    :)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    If the Q5 comes in at or below that mark [Lexus RX at 186.20"], we'll definitely consider it.

    If that's your criteria, then I don't think you'll get one. If you look at the chart I posted, the RX is already pretty small, and the Q5 is not likely to be a compact SUV... that category will be reserved for the Q3.

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Man, I am all amped up from reading your post. The 135i, with it's additional horsepower, should be a blast! Too bad I'll never get the fantastic mileage you reported. I don't expect to need additional cargo capacity, as you do, or I also would focus on the 335i, as you mentioned.

    The only single thing that I've second-guessed myself on at this point is whether or not I should have waited for the convertible.

    Based upon your post, it sounds like the chassis really holds the road under almost any condition.

    Thanks so much for the report. I have to assume you and your wife had a wonderful trip... it sure sounds incredible. :D

    TagMan
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Thanks for sharing Jose. I hope you had a wonderful trip. Those pics are fantastic, especially #2.

    That 40 mpg sounds great. We really need some cars like that in the U.S.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,621
    "We really need some cars like that in the U.S."

    Yes, yes indeed, but don't hold your breath. It appears that BMW is bringing over only the big diesels, not the small ones Jose is describing (& the ones that I want).

    I guess it's fallout from the notion that you can't have a lux sports vehicle unless it gets to 60 in under 6 (or better yet, 5) seconds.

    Oh boy.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • bmlexusbmlexus Member Posts: 755
    Not someone here... Just someone I spoke to yesterday with an X5 similar to esf's... in black/black... said he loved the vehicle.

    Your link won't work. So... I've re-posted it for you...


    thanks.

    funny I never ask any1 how there car was , except a old supra but that was because my friend encouraged me to ask.
  • bmlexusbmlexus Member Posts: 755
    The new 7 series is coming at the end of the year as well as the x6 I wonder how the 7seri will compare against the s class I have a feeling it will be better.
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    Why not something like an A4 Avant? Not all AWD systems are created equal. There was a great video from some German TV show that showed an Audi Avant Quattro just destroying other AWD cars up a snow covered hill, including an RX, several XDrive BMWs, and even some full on 4x4s.

    No denying an Audi Avant Quattro is a fine car in the snow. Problem is my wife's BMW xi touring and a Audi Avant are a bit too similar for me. I am not willing to spend big luxury bucks for two somewhat similar German cars that are within the same segment of the market.

    The more I think of it a RAV4 really bores me. I dont need such a snow machine since I drive mainly in the city. All I want is a FWD with snow tires that can get me from point A to point b. Currently my BMW 335i is not accomplishing that.

    A FWD next generation Prius may be the answer I am seeking. While I was building my muscles shoveling my BMW 335i out of a parking lot I noticed a parked Prius right beside me drive away with minimal friction. Unlike my car this Prius did not need a shovel in its trunk.
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    Go for a VW Tiguan instead, at least you'll have a little fun.

    I am sure a Tiguan is more fun than a RAV4. BUT I hate to say this because I may end up sounding like our Japanese car fan contestants here: I dont know what the reliability will be for the Tiguan but based on the stats of the VW Touareg I have no intention upon finding out.

    Or, better yet, do what Tag and I did, and get an A3/GTI!

    Good choices too. But I also want a car that is not only solely performance orientated but solely fuel efficient and that in my mind is a Toyota Prius.

    I love the performance of my BMW335i and currently I have no desire to buy another performance car that is within my budget . Ofcourse without a budget I would buy a Audi R8 ;) .
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    appears that BMW is bringing over only the big diesels, not the small ones Jose is describing (& the ones that I want).

    Everything I read so far confirms that BMW will introduce their diesels in both the 3 series and X5 model.

    I may be mistaken and BMW may have changed their minds but I doubt that.
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    And the full trip averaged mileage was… 40.55 miles•gallon (USA Units). How good, how well: less is more!

    Forget the Prius I will buy a BMW 118d instead. Although we are very unlikely to see this car here. The 3 series may be the smallest diesel we will have for a long time.
  • deweydewey Member Posts: 5,251
    Saw one like yours parked next to me yesterday in Black/Black.

    Black/black sport sedans or two seaters are fine but for SUVs ? No thanks!
  • esfesf Member Posts: 1,020
    And it was a blast.

    Initial impressions:

    Best in show - Jaguar XF. I think I fell in love with this car today. It's stunningly beautiful. Pictures just don't do it justice. After staring at the XF for a long while, we went over to look at other midsizers, and they just don't do anything for me any more. The only sedan that comes close is the Merc CLS, and with its minimal interior space, the CLS is hardly a sedan. The XF is not only gorgeous, but quite spacious--same rear seat space as an A6, and slightly more than a 5er; the trunk being huge is an added bonus.

    Worst in show - No surprises here... Acura RL. It was shown in a ghastly maroon color, which made it look even worse. I hope this downward spiral ends soon. If not, Acura is dead meat.

    Most surprising - Infiniti EX. No, it had nothing to do with the looks; I knew I'd like the car's styling. However, just as I found out the other day, the rear seat is useless. I'm shocked. I could hardly get myself in the rear of the car, let alone sit in it for an extended period. It has less space than my S4 Cabriolet, and makes the A3 look downright roomy. The trunk is also small, though not much smaller than the A3's. On the brighter side, it looked great and the interior was very nice.

    Least surprising - BMW X6. This is actually surprising (LOL), because I expected to be surprised, but wasn't. It looks pretty much identical to how it does in photos. This could be due to several things: A) it was on a car show stand, B) it had the standard wheels that don't fill the wheel wells and C) it was tucked into a corner, while it should've had its own display.

    Biggest crowd - Nissan GT-R. What an incredible car! It was everything I thought it would be. No, I wouldn't own one (a bit too immature for me), but that car sure draws people in, and for good reason. Stunning. Not beautiful, but just striking.

    Most photogenic - Audi S5. I couldn't stop taking shots of this thing. My best shot is with my camera somewhat low to the ground, the silver S5's LEDs aglow, with people around it, not close enough to mess up the shot but not far enough to make one think that the car doesn't draw a crowd. It does, most definitely, but it was the R8 getting all the attention.

    Overall, it was a very exciting show this year. Tons of new models. If there are any requests as to my impressions of a specific model, don't hesitate to ask--I'll be happy to respond.

    '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Everything I read so far confirms that BMW will introduce their diesels in both the 3 series and X5 model.

    Correct. The X5 xDrive 35d (that's a mouthful) and the 335d.

    TM
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    When I saw the GT-R last month, I posted that it is much nicer in real life, and no pics can seem do it justice. I share your impression of the GT-R.

    There was no X6 at the show I attended. Was it that same red color that is being shown in all the media?

    I also was very impressed the the XF, but the front end headlight configuration is its only weakness, IMO. The rear design is one of the best ever... period.

    Of course, I must ask if you saw a 135i? If so, what color? What was your impression of the car?

    How about the Fiskar Karma electric car? Any chance you were lucky enough to see that car?

    Thanks for the report, and glad you had a blast at the show... like a kid in a candy store, huh? ... only better! ;)

    TagMan
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Black/black sport sedans or two seaters are fine but for SUVs ? No thanks!

    It wasn't too bad, but I totally agree! I wouldn't have one either. It was no black 911 turbo, that's for sure!... LOL.

    TM
  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    I feel you will enjoy very much your coupe. ;)

    The trip was really wonderful. Driving, sightseeing, eating, drinking (moderately) and skiing. All of them in good company. :blush: Who could ask for more?

    Regards,
    Jose
  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    Thanks for sharing Jose. I hope you had a wonderful trip. Those pics are fantastic, especially #2.

    You are very welcome, Dan. You may also fancy to have a look at Foster's Bilbao Subway at http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Projects/0445/Default.aspx . Eighteen years and millions of passengers after its opening, our Metro looks in vivo as cool and clean as it does in the pictures.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    I guess it's fallout from the notion that you can't have a lux sports vehicle unless it gets to 60 in under 6 (or better yet, 5) seconds.

    I fully agree with that. In a car I admire the power & speed at their ends as any other person can do. Yet less hp are enough for me to still enjoy driving.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • jlbljlbl Member Posts: 1,333
    …I will buy a BMW 118d instead

    Dewey, you would enjoy the BMW 118d 3-doors: it is not only a town&road performer but a cool hatched design as well.

    Regards,
    Jose
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,621
    True, the 3 will get the 335d, but I'd prefer the 2 or 2.5. It'll certainly be interesting to see how well it's received -- will the money factor will be up in coupe & convertible territory or down with the sedan? Time will tell, I guess.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    You lucky dog! I would be lying if I didn't admit that I'm more likely to need a little vacation right now from the wife as opposed to with the wife. You are a lucky man. ;)

    TagMan
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    189.10" - Infiniti FX

    Actually that comes as a bit of a surprise. The FX definitely doesn't seem as big as the MDX.
  • lexusguylexusguy Member Posts: 6,419
    Forget the Prius I will buy a BMW 118d instead. Although we are very unlikely to see this car here. The 3 series may be the smallest diesel we will have for a long time.

    If you want something a bit more fun than a Prius but still FWD, what about a Mazda3? They are pretty cheap, you can get one with a stick, and mpg wise they aren't too bad, 30mpg is definitely possible.
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