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My original point was simply that they are all very close, and that it would an exercise in futility to split hairs over which one depreciates more or less.
That's as far as I ever intended to take it.
TM
I believe most of these customers will trade in anyway, rather than take the time to sell it themselves. Just my experience.
Abso-fricken-lutely. You get the impression that M-B builds the C-Class because they have to. Unlike Audi and BMW, where the A4 and 3 series are among the best cars they build, the C-Class simply exists. It's there to offer an M-B alternative in the segment, and thats it. The last one was criminally bad at launch. This one is better.. but when there are such great cars in the segment, why on earth would you buy a C-Class?
I think Infiniti has a strong future in the US. The G and M are superb cars. They handle like BMWs, and show Lexus how its done on reliability. They need repeat buyers and strong word of mouth. In Europe, I'm sure it will brutal.
Okay, I'll bite. If I want a RWD car with a manual transmission, fold-down rear seats and real (non-RFT) tires (which I did), the C comes into the matrix. And. . .it has a dipstick. Then, if I'm interested in Euro delivery, partly for the fun of it and partly to save money on a rental for a vacation, the choices get pretty slim. It's either a C or a BMW with solid rubber tires, no dipstick and oil level sensor reliability issues. Oh boy.
I threw RWD under the bus and ended up with a TSX, partly because of the first-year situation with the new C, as well as the horrible recent reliability reputation that Merc has enjoyed recently. If the new C proves to be solid, I'll certainly be considering it in 3-4 years, especially if they've brought the diesel version to the U.S.
Okay, I'll bite. If I want a RWD car with a manual transmission, fold-down rear seats and real (non-RFT) tires (which I did), the C comes into the matrix. And. . .it has a dipstick. Then, if I'm interested in Euro delivery, partly for the fun of it and partly to save money on a rental for a vacation, the choices get pretty slim. It's either a C or a BMW with solid rubber tires, no dipstick and oil level sensor reliability issues. Oh boy.
I threw RWD under the bus and ended up with a TSX, partly because of the first-year situation with the new C, as well as the horrible recent reliability reputation that Merc has enjoyed recently. If the new C proves to be solid, I'll certainly be considering it in 3-4 years, especially if they've brought the diesel version to the U.S.
TM
Regards,
OW
Regards,
OW
I just think the C-Class is lousy. The new B8 A4 (in either 3.0T or 3.0TDi guise) would be my pick, with the G and 3 series tied for second. I refuse to make a buying decision based on a dipstick. The MT seems to be another thing M-B does with a disinterested sigh. At least Honda/Acura "get" the stick thing and make very good ones. If M-B cared about MTs at all, they would be in AMGs. I can't remember the last M-B review I read that said anything specifically nice about a M-B MT.
Correction my friend... the 550i has NON-RFT, you can get it with a MANUAL, and it has a DIPSTICK, not to mention a boat-load of other options. "BOP"... gee you could've had a V8. :shades:
I don't know too many people who cross-shop the 550 and a C-class (or, apparently, would be caught dead in the same zip code as a C-class). There are, however, plebians like myself who cross-shop the C-class and the 3 series (yeah, I know, let them eat cake). Either way, it didn't occur to me to clarify that I was referring only to the 3-series with my comments. Sounds like I should have.
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Everything else is just a guide. (And in my experience, NADA can be way off.)
Whenever I read reviews like the one that bashed the C class, I take them with a grain of salt. This really was not even a review as the guy said nothing objective about the car. How did it drive? Steering feel? Fuel economy? Fit and finish? Interior? Power? I could go on and on but you get the picture.
He said it was only for someone who could not afford an E class or S class. He could have also said this about BMW or Lexus. Duh!! Just a hatchet job. Nothing more, nothing less.
I am disappointed that some of the guys here did not recognize it for what it was and latched onto it as if it had any merit at all. Guys like this give reviewers a bad name. Everyone knows that I am not a big MB fan but reviews like this really chap me.
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TM
PS: I am coming back soon!!!
Wondering when will they introduce a new SUV other than the SUPER size LX and the ladies favo RX.
Allow me to fill you in. Worse than the 3 series, worse than the 3 series, worse than the 3 series, worse than the 3 series, worse than the 3 series, worse than the 3 series. If you've gotta have that dipstick though, the C-Class is just awesome, and managed an impressive 4th of 4 in the recent C&D comparo.
"Lows: Low-grip tires, light and fast steering, intrusive stability control, floppy shifter, flat seats, unimpressive interior materials."
You want proof that he can go on your nerves?
Here's a bit of Jeff Sabatini's review on your favorite car: The Jaguar XKR:
Yet even the glamorous XK suffers from something of a lack of focus, a fact that was made clearer when I drove its top-of-the-line incarnation, the XKR.
The thrill rush provided by its 413 pound-feet of torque -- augmented by the supercharger -- is more akin to an American muscle car than anything laying claim to British ancestry. The vehicle's enormity only furthers that resemblance.
If Jaguar had seriously applied itself, the XK could have lost some weight in its transformation to XKR, but alas the opposite is the case. Its extra 150 or so pounds do nothing to prevent the XKR coupe from running 0-60 mph in a very respectable 4.5 seconds, yet they similarly do nothing to help the computerized suspension turn the car into a nimble sort of cat.
That the Jaguar employs a sophisticated and lightweight all-aluminum body, yet still weighs nearly 4,000 pounds, seems to be the kind of patently ridiculous engineering for which the British have long been known. A further example: This 155-mph sports car has a "feature" called ASL (for "automatic speed limiter") that's part of its cruise-control system. It does just what you'd think -- limit how fast the car can go, regardless of any further application of the gas pedal.
There is no room for this sort of conflicted thinking in a pure sports car, which is why those of us who would like to see Jaguar reach back to rediscover the ethos of the 1961 E-Type can't take the XK seriously. The E-Type, the firm's last true sports car, was eventually compromised by some of the same questionable engineering choices that weigh down today's model: a "2+2" seating arrangement that puts a useless back seat in a car that should by all rights be a two-seater, the use of a bigger and heavier engine to achieve greater performance at the expense of handling, and an increased emphasis on luxury content.
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Abrasive and unfair, dont you think?
Regards,
Jose
(I have tried to past straight the pictures but with no success; the camera was a plebeian
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I came across one these IS Fs this afternoon, and I have to say that she made my neck to turn. Potent look.
Regards,
Jose
Beautiful car Jose. Congratulations and I do envy the fact that you can just walk into any BMW dealership and buy a 335d. I wish I had that option.
Also I like the pictures of that panoramic coast. It looks like you have mild weather. The scenery I have from my window is a storm that is the worst this season. And to add to the misery this has been the very worst winter in Toronto's history(even worse than in 1939).
I dont think I will be driving my RWD BMW today or tomorrow. :sick:
And painted in the German Race Color!
It looks like you have mild weather.
Temperature is usually between 10ºC and 25ºC over here all-year round. Three or four days below 5ºC, with snow, and about five-ten above 30ºC in summer. Really very nice. Today was 10ºC.
I dont think I will be driving my RWD BMW today or tomorrow.
Thus, I will post my first road impressions tomorrow. :P
Regards,
Jose
Dealer has changed out the ignition $400. But it is still happening. Dealer was only able to believe that it was happening because it happened to them while they had the car. Otherwise it was not showing up on the diagnostic.
Any advice before I take it back to them.
Also,
My rear vanity mirror won't stay closed. Dealer says $300 to replace the vanity component - does anyone have a less expensive fix.
Also - does anyone have a good mechanic in the chicago Illinois area.
Would welcome any help.
mike in chicago
Yeah, I remember that review. "Why does the XKR weigh so much more than the Chevy Corvette, its obvious direct competitor? I don't understand this industry!"
No mention of the fact that the aluminum Audis are also quite heavy, and that the XKR actually weighs quite a bit less than its actual competitors, the SL and BMW 6 series. Pretty sure the Maser GT is a bit of a porker as well.
It does sound like the F-type is back on though, after it got put on the back burner in favor of Jag's 2.7L diesel. If Jag survives long enough to put it into production, they could have a light weight "proper" sports car once again.
While I think the C-Class actually deserves the bashing it got, any car review out of the WSJ really shouldn't be taken too seriously. I skip basically all of the mainstream papers except for Dan Neil's reviews in the LA Times.
Very nice....I`m glad I turned the computer on to check and see if things had worked out for you....You should have a fine time tomorrow, and the rest of us Americans will be getting up an hour earlier, so everyone will be in a poor mood
I miss my Contax RTS from the pre-digital era; nonetheless my back is not aching anymore because that heavy bag I would carry those days. :sick:
Regards,
Jose
((What a double coincidence that between 'to miss'/'añorar' and 'miss'/'señorita' :surprise: , Just divagating :confuse: .)
I visited your CarSpace and I must ask who's EYE is that?
The 335d is supposed to show up here in USA late this year... I will be very tempted to take a look.
Thank you for posting all the great pics!! You are a lucky man.
TagMan
It is 5:30 over here. (95% of the Spanish territory is western to the Greenwich Meridian, but we keep the Europe Central Time for practical reasons.) I am stretching my brain. Today is a polling day, so I will go to vote and afterwards
Saludos,
Jose
Good thing that is not the only opinion of the XK, or nobody would buy it. The car sounds horrible.
Fortunately, I know it is a better car than that.
It's amazing how a journalist can go overboard. Where's the professionalism in THAT? :confuse:
With regards to the C-Class, it is not up to the Audi or BMW, IMO, but it is more than adequate for it's price and category, and I wouldn't go so far as to call it a lousy car by any stretch of the imagination.
Anyway, once again, excellent job in making your point.
TagMan
Thanks, TG.
Regards,
Jose
(Everything worked out fine in LA?)
BTW, who's eye in the pic?
TM
Regards,
Jose
Definitely a very nice set of wheels and nice scenery. I wish I could say the same for the Sony's image quality, but hey, two outta three aint bad. Picture number eight in particular has just buckets of chroma noise and jagged edges that slaughters any of the fine detail that might've otherwise gotten through. There also appears to be a dead cluster of pixels in the middle of the sky there.
Regards,
Jose
I couldn't help but notice that you have brick pavers in front of your house. I put in the same thing after I realized that I couldn't park the A3 in the driveway. They're a very elegant solution.
Nice car, too...
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
Then what's the problem? :confuse:
That used to happen in my A3. It's probably just a cold-start issue. As long as it functions correctly and eventually stops occurring, there should be no concern.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
Unfortunately, I couldn't get a good look because I was driving, and it was going in the opposite direction. I did see that it was NOT a Supercharged model, and it was in a boring gray color, so I'd really like to see an SV8 in a better color that I can really study.
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
Unfortunately low light/high ISO shooting is the Achilles heel of all compact P&S cameras, with the single exception of the Fuji SCCD based F series. Everybody keeps cramming more and more MP into the same tiny sensors, and the problem just gets worse and worse. :sick:
Fortunately SLRs are getting small enough that they are becoming practical alternatives to P&S cameras. The just released Olympus E-420 is the smallest dSLR yet, and with its 25mm "pancake" lens, it could fit in a pocket.
http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0803/Olympus/OlyE420-001.jpg
Thanks for the link my anniversary is approaching!
Regards,
Jose
So u didn't pick another 5 series and went for a brand new 3 series.
by the way i have gone crazy between lexus and bmw
nice pic.
thanks.
TM
Ouch! :sick: I certainly did not mean anything negative towards you or anyone who is looking at the 3 series, or any vehicle for that matter. Regardless of what we drive there are many different cars that better suit someone else’s needs and desires at the time, and I for one certainly appreciate that fact. Surely no one on this forum would look down their nose at anyone because of what they choose to drive, and if you took my remarks as having that purpose then please accept my apologies as it certainly was not my intent. The basis of my comments was to illustrate the fact with all the changes BMW has made to their lineup they had the good sense to leave one vehicle with non-RFT and a dipstick (which was news to me until a few weeks back), and to take a “tongue in cheek” stab at MB as I have lost a lot of respect for their cars over the past several years. Hey, I also have a ’98 Toyota Avalon I still get around in how could I be one to judge someone by their vehicle choice. Hope I have better explained my position and there are no ill feelings.
What is the temp like over there?? Here in S Florida it is getting summer like(except today) so we just went on a picnic....I was thinking how much fun that could be for you with the new car....The newness wears off, so make the most of it now..
It is amazing when one studies old history..Spain developed most of South America, central America, Mexico, Florida, California, and most of the coast of the Gulfd of Mexico, Texas etc....That is quite a large land mass....Tony
A reasonably large pocket, yes.
"A camera designed to be held away from the face lets you take great photographs without weighing you down. The E-420 is small enough to fit into a purse or a jacket pocket and light enough to shoot with comfortably all day. Measuring 5.1 inches by 3.6 inches by 2.1 inches (excluding protrusions), it is the world’s smallest digital SLR.
The world’s smallest DSLR deserves a similarly compact lens, and Olympus has it: the ultra compact Zuiko 25mm f2.8 digital specific lens. This 0.9 inch-thick lens offers a fixed 50mm equivalent angle of view. Together with the E-420, the Zuiko 25mm f2.8 lens will offer the ultimate combination of ease of use and portability."
The other kit lens is their 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 zoom. Critically, the 420 is the first Evolt SLR to get contrast detect live view AF. Olympus had live view first, but in the clunky, multiple mirror drop format that's been used in a lot of recent SLRs. C-AF lets the camera focus on the LCD screen with a half-press of the shutter button, the same as a P&S.
http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0803/Olympus/OLYE420back.jpg
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So u didn't pick another 5 series and went for a brand new 3 series.
Yeah, there were reasons for that.
Firstly, though I loved my 5-Series, I wanted to broad my driver/owner experience. Adding to this is that the current 5-Series is at the end of her cycle. I did not wanted to spend 'new' money in a car that is going to be past in no time.
Secondly, I had never owned before a 3-Series. Combining the 35d tt engine and the drivetrain of the 3-Series Coupe, I think the 335d is at the forefront of my affordable cars on sale now. I wanted to have my opportunity.
Thirdly, even in her Coupe form, the current 3-Series is bigger and aesthetically more appealing (at least to me) than the former one. Her size is enough for me now.
Lastly, although the 335d can be as expensive as any 5-Series can be, I had the opportunity to buy mine through what I think was a good deal.
Regards,
Jose
No harm -- no foul. I just can't bring myself to spend the kind of money that a 550 costs, so haven't researched the 5-series much at all for years. Glad to hear BMW hasn't taken complete leave of their senses. . .yet. Wonder if they're going to slip the run-flats into everything before long?
It's not like them to ever admit a mistake and back anything out (manual in the M notwithstanding). Besides which, the things that trouble me about the 3-series certainly don't seem to bother those who are helping them set sales records.
Spain developed most of South America, central America, Mexico, Florida, California, and most of the coast of the Gulf of Mexico, Texas etc....
Arizona, Nevada, California, as well as the Philippines Islands and some other lands. Spain sold Louisiana to the French. Also, Juan de Oñate, in his way to explore California, settled the first European-descendent colonies in Arizona nine years before the arrival of the Mayflower. I believe is nice to know the meaning of some of these nouns: Philippines = relative to the (King) Philippe. Arizona = arid zone ; Florida = plenty of flowers (flores) ; California/Eldorado = a mythical golden land. Nevada = covered in snow.
But the past is past :shades: . If only, one could learn things from history. Strength for today is all we need. I am becoming too philosophical, I am afraid.
Regards,
Jose
http://jeep.automobilemag.com/
They're indeed!
Regards,
Jose