Silverado vs F-150 vs Ram vs Tundra: Now we have a topic to Voice our OPINIONS on each model

dodgeram7

We should all conform & drive Chevy & Gmc like to mindless slaves that Gm truck owners are what do you think Bamatundra.

dodgeram7

I think you got your head stuck under your hood & you can not figure out out to get it out.

cdean

F150rules
we must have seen different motors. the 350 in the Caprice had MUCH more lower end power than the 4.6. The 4.6, on the other hand doesn't really start talking till high rpms.


Bigsnag,
Sorry, when you said Powerstroke would still be king, I thought you meant powerwise.

The same Allison has been behind more powerful apps than the Duramax, torque wise. Hardshifts is not what I would call a problem.
If the RVs you've seen never made it past 50K, was it because of the Cummins or the Allison. Probably niether. Probably cuz the owner only used them once a year. The transmission should last 200K miles + under load. that is what it is designed for.

cdean

f150rules

You never answered my question. What are all these problems you said GM has had with the Vortec motors?

Makin' it up????

bigsnag

Again, I never said the RV's didn't make it past 50K, implying they died before that. I said I see very few with more than 50K on the odometer. Yes it is simply because most don't get that many miles racked up on them. Yes, that tranny should go 200K miles, so should a TH350, or 4R100, of any other tranny. I don't think any manufacturer thought, heck let's design this one to crap out at 36,001. My point, like I said before, is, this transmission while it may be a great unit, has not been proven in this application. Has it? Has it been mated to an Isuzu motor and been offered in 3/4 and 1 ton trucks before? No.

cdean

we shall disagree then. My point is that the 1 ton application is a step down, or 'easier' for it.

and sometimes, yes it seems like they designed tranny's for 36,001!

dodgeram7

Chevy & Gmc truck owners are mindless slaves that drive Gm trucks.

obyone

driving a toy dodge....batteries included? LOL

dodgeram7

When you grow up and get a real truck instead of the toys you play with let me know.

rwellbaum2

Speaking of batteries. I saw an interesting piece on electric drag cars. They raced a car modified with electric motors(RX-7?) against a dodge viper. The electric stomped on the viper out of the chute and beat it handily in the 1/4 mile. It looked like the Viper would have eventually caught up if they'd kept going.

obyone

buy a Ram is cause it's so cheap. Other than that, do they include batteries with them?

rwellbaum2

I believe that it is possible. What I'm not so sure of is if you could do it with the dodgeram without the two "D" size batteries that goes into it...

rwellbaum2

I've worked some on dodge rams. Once the fan shroud is removed there is plenty of room to work on the V-8. The front brake pads have a clip that works really well to hold them in place. The 4x4 has a solid axel up front which is great for extremely uneven terrain. The gas mileage vs. horsepower is the worst drawback of the Dodge.

rwellbaum2

You own a Ford. You should know more than chevy or Toy owners about ford problems. Please tell us the problems you are aware of on F-150's.

ryanbab

Guess what i learned at work today a Ford F-150 short bed cannot carry a 16 foot 2x6. haha well i got into an arguement with a customer he needed a 10 footer so i said we can cut a 16footer down because we didnt have any 10's. I told him put it in your truck and drive it over to our saw he went nuts saying itll hang off to much and his truck couldnt carry it. HMMM i even carried 16 ft deck boards in my S-10 damn ford owners hahaha JUST KIDDING i am venting a little. He calmed down after i threw some wood around and carried them myself and cut em even offered me a $5 tip but i told him to keep it and buy a better truck haha.

Ryan

ryanbab

The last post was a true story but i was just messing around i didnt mean anything bad so ford owners dont take it the wrong way im just a lil pissed at the moment

rwellbaum2

Why are you upset. Those kids break into your house and drink your beer while you were at the cabin?

cdean

F150, sure you have making a point to gain by making it up!

although I know how much 'worse' a problem is when its your own vehicle, don't believe pinging prob is widespread. I have multiple friends with new Silverados, and none ping. In fact none have any of the probs mentioned on this board.

I believe the ping can be regional, given the different air conditions and fuel quality that is very wide ranging across the U.S.

The Vortec engines back in '96 said in the owners manual that some ping is normal. My Vortec doesn't do it. I know probably about 40 folks with the older Vortec engines, and 1 guy had truck that pinged only when he towed.

These probs...probably about as widespread as piston slap.

Never heard of any valve seating problem. How can there be 'various valve seating problems over time' on an engine thats only been out just over a year? I'd be happy to take a look at some links if ya got 'em.

Here's my point: GM did not just release 'beta' engines to the customer. The engines are tried and tested over the last 3 years before they went to market. And you make the problems seem like 'blanket' problems, when they are in fact, very small in percentage.

rwellbaum2

Look Cory,
Despite your dislike of me and Bama, we were right about f150. That guy is definetely BLD/dbhull come back as f150rules.

cdean

I'm not trying to be condescending, please don't take my last post as hostilitiy. just wanted to be emphasize my point.

bco

same as rwell, same as bama...not foolin' anybody with all the meaningless posts...

bco

markcord

Last time I checked there weren't any D cells in my V10. Reasons to buy a Dodge? Well for me it was the most powerful gas engine available, solid axles, ruggedness, and looks (both interior and exterior). Drove a Sierra for 11 years and have no complaints and wouldn't badmouth anyone else's personal choice. I do like the view I have of the roofs of GMs and Tundras though. (Man, I really didn't want to jump into this without my asbestos suit but I guess I couldn't let that one slide!)

rwellbaum2

What is it your begging for?

bco

well, in that context, "they" referred to you.

me, i'm begging for someone who can provide adequate competition...cuz the tundra ain't even close. LOL!!!

oh, and by the way, since you brought up the "user agreement" i would reprimand you to be careful what you insinuate with that last post. as it comes very close to violating:

"I agree to disagree in a civil manner should I take issue with the statements of another Town Hall participant or any Edmunds.com, Inc. Editor or content contributor. I understand that civility and respect underlie the success of an on-line community such as Town Hall." under Contributions and Participant Conduct in the User Agreement.

have a nice day...
bco

rwellbaum2

Werking
"oh, and by the way, since you brought up the "user
agreement" i would reprimand you to be careful
what you insinuate with that last post. as it
comes very close to violating:"

So what is it I'm insinuating? I don't understand what your getting at! Please explain.

bco

only you would know...why don't you tell me what YOU think i was begging for? hmmmm? after all that post clearly referred to you. so...why don't you explain.
bco

dodgeram7

I will admit the Chevy is better then the Tundra but not as good as my Dodge Ram.

bco

based on what? i don't know if i have the energy to do this...what's the year/make/model/significant options on your ram and what chevy do you think it's better than? or are you taking lessons from rob and just whimsically stating your thoughts with the assumption people will accept them as facts?

bco

rwellbaum2

I will admit that chevy and dodge are equal with good and bad points. The Tundra is superior to both in quality, fit-n-finish and overall utility. BTW, isn't it getting late, when's you bed time?

bco

um...no.

as previously stated, i'm still waiting for a competent reaction to post #25 over on tunrda vs. big 3.

bco

ryanbab

Overall utility haha ok

Ryan

bamatundra

Ideological reasons?

I went to Tundra vs. big3 post #25 and was surprised to see that I posted it.

Rocles

Dodgeram7,

What year is your truck?

rwellbaum2

Regarding bco; maybe you meant "indentity crisis"

bamatundra

Do you buy the
"ideoogical problems" excuse?

timothyadavis

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Very edifying....

Rocles

is too.

bco

my apologies for participating. i'm getting out of this name calling game. if people don't want to talk trucks, i'm refusing to stoop to their level from here forward. again, i'm sorry...

bco

bco

my apologies for any confusion. check post #25 on Tundra vs Big 3 Continued III.

bco

mgdvhman

with a nick name for himself...he liked it...so he switched his name....big deal..

At least he is man enough to come to my site and post...

LOL

- Tim

rwellbaum2

Some good news for y2k Silverado owners. Many of the owners are having good luck forcing GM to buyback their trucks. Seems all it takes is proper documentation and persistance:

: BBB called- (ricsch) Tue 15 Aug '00 (10:29 AM)

to say they plan to set a hearing date for my case
for the last week in August. It has been 4 weeks
since I made the call to the BBB. The rep said the
arbitrator could have GM possibly replace my '00
x-cab with another '00, which would most likely put
me right back into a Shakerado-will have to see
what happens at the hearing. Has anyone driven an
'01 2wd x-cab? Would like some feed back as to if
GM has anything corrected. I read an article in
the latest "Sport Truck" magazine regarding a Dodge
Dakota x-cab that the Kenny Brown Performance
company has developed a frame bracing kit to
stiffen up the truck-sounds like something that
should be developed for the GM x-cabs!

rwellbaum2

A few Silverado owners have nearly problem free trucks. It also seems that the shake/vibration can be some what masked/subdued by carrying extra weight:

#180 of 184: No problems (rdve80) Tue 15 Aug '00 (08:30 AM)

Just made a 450 mi. trip in my Y2K 1500LS 2WD SB
ext. cab. I could detect slightly some vibration
around 65-70 mph, but not all the time. Not enough
to avoid this speed range. It seemed even less
when I filled the aux. gas tank with 40 gal. No
back-end vibration/bounce at freeway overpasses or
some serious road construction. No wind noise at
hood, windshield or rear windows. No rear door
noise. No dash rattle. No driveline growl. No
transmission shift delays. Either I'm just lucky
with just 2000 mi. on the truck or there actually
are some good Silverados out there even though the
posts may not suggest that. BTW, my truck was
built at Ft. Wayne about 2 weeks after the TSB
range.

bco

we got a pretty good discussion going over on tundra vs. the big 3 continued iii if you'd like to check it out. no more name calling, etc. just descriptions of personal experiences. thought you'd be interested...

bco

mgdvhman

ummm..you were the one telling Ryan to move his head back and forth...forward to back...

perhaps YOU have a dark secret?.....

come to my site little man...where meredith can't be your parent holding your hand.....

- Tim

z71bill

move his head back and forth...forward to back...


Rwell is just describing his negotiating tactic to get a free oil change with the purchase of his new truck

rwellbaum2

Two guys that are fancinated with moving their heads, back and forth, in unison....Why?

rwellbaum2

"YOU have a dark secret?.....

come to my site little man"

cdean

Everyone who wants to talk about trucks still has to skip over Rwells nonsense.

I never listened to him, but ol' Rublue sure kept him occupied.

rwellbaum2

Where is post #164. Did anyone see it, was it important? I guess not, or else someone would have commented on it.

bamatundra

It says something when your hero is someone that was thrown off of this site.

z71bill

Maybe this is off topic -

The hours and miles between oil change light reset and the oil change light coming back on:

132 hours and 3,300 miles average speed 25 mph
133 hours and 3,450 miles average speed 26 mph
135 hours and 3,750 miles average speed 28 mph

Is anyone else keeping track of this information and if so how do your numbers compare? It seems like I have a trend going here