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We got about 9" up high from the remnants of the Sierra storms over here in Boise btw and are expecting a few more tonight. Got about 4" in town.
I noticed a new size available from BF Goodrich in the All Terrain T/A KO model. It is 265/65R18 which would be a 31.56 inch diameter (computed, not checked by Goodrich specs) compared with my Nitto Terra Grapplers 31.38 inch diameter and the original factory Goodyear of 30 inches. I won't need tires for years but this is definately a new possibility for owners with the 18 inch wheels.
By the way, I noticed that Nitto now has an LT Terra Grappler in the size LT285/60 - 18 which has another 1/8 inch of tread depth than my non LT version, and an overall diameter of 31.5 inches
Sorry you did not have good luck with your LR3. As mentioned by others, there are some unhappy owners of every vehicle brand or model.
Your Land Rover dealer owner blames the LR3 suspension for destroying any tire. As with vehicles, there are good dealers and not so good dealers. As evidenced by the owners on this forum, not all LR3's eat tires.
We are glad you have sold your LR3 and hope you have a happy new life with your Tahoe. They must be nice vehicles as evidenced by there being so many on the road. Hopefully you will have better luck with it than with the LR3.
If you no longer have your LR3, why are you still reading this forum? You should not reply to this question because you should have moved on with your life and be reading the Tahoe forum.
So, my original Goodyears were still quiet at 6000 miles. My Nittos seemed just as smooth and almost as quiet. They don't howl on the highway, but they do have a bit more road noise. But they also have a lot more contact area since they are bigger. I can ride comfortably with the windows open. I'm sure there was a tradeoff with a bit more noise and more rolling resistance, but I wanted a vehicle I felt comfortable with off road and the Goodyears didn't do it for me.
At 8000 plus miles on the Nittos, I haven't noticed any more noise than when new.
Current owners, prior owners and non-owners are all welcome to participate here. If you don't care to read someone's post, scroll on down.
Uneven tire wear.
The steering alignment geometry of certain vehicles may experience some bushing settlement during early vehicle life. Following initial production geometry setting, this settling may alter the geometry settings outside of normal tolerance,
which may in turn increase tire wear.
Revised geometry settings introduced after 6A403382 compensate for this situation.
NOTE: This situation is not experienced on all vehicles. Toe sensitivity may be attributed to other factors.
CAUTION: Retailers who sublet alignment to outside shops must provide the information in this bulletin to the alignment facility to ensure proper settings when uneven tire wear symptoms are being addressed. Additionally all vehicles equipped with EAS sent for sublet alignment MUST have been placed in the "tight tolerance" geometry setting mode prior to delivery using IDS.
Action: Should a customer express a specific concern of uneven tire wear, refer to the Repair Procedure detailed in this bulletin to adjust the vehicle geometry to the "target" settings noted below. NOTE: In other situations requiring geometry adjustment, where a specific concern of uneven tire wear is not expressed or diagnosed, the geometry dimensions in the workshop manual should be used. A specific set of "target" geometry data is provided in this bulletin for use in vehicles
where the geometry needs to be adjusted to correct an uneven tire wear concern.
PARTS:
No parts required
WARRANTY:
NOTE: Repair procedures are under constant review, and therefore times are subject to change; those quoted here must be taken as guidance only. Always refer to DDW to obtain the latest repair time.
NOTE: The revision to the time in this bulletin is the result of the introduction of the new IDS "tight tolerance" geometry setting mode for suspension adjustments. This simple IDS process replaces and eliminates the requirement to perform a suspension calibration (1.1 hrs) in association with the alignment process. Refer to Technical Bulletin LA204-007 for additional information about the geometry setting mode. DDW requires the use of causal part numbers.
Labor only claims must show the causal part number with a quantity of zero.
Description SRO Time
(Hours)
Condition
Code Causal Part
Place vehicle in "tight tolerance"
mode using IDS and align suspension
geometry
57.65.04 1.80 W6 ALGN4W
Normal warranty policy and procedures apply.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
ALIGN SUSPENSION GEOMETRY
1. If the vehicle has Electronic Air Suspension (EAS), refer to Technical Bulletin LA204-007, connect IDS to the vehicle and place the Electronic Air Suspension (EAS), into "tight tolerance" geometry setting mode.
NOTE: A small number of coil sprung vehicles were imported into North America at the very start of LR3 importation. Step 2 is included in the event that such a vehicle requires suspension alignment.
2. If the vehicle has coil spring suspension, perform the following steps to ensure that the equivalent of a full tank of gasoline weight is present in the vehicle when the alignment process is performed:
NOTE: LR3 fuel tank capacity is 22.7 US gallons (86.3 litres). A full LR3 fuel tank weighs approximately 152 lbs (69 kg).
• Accurately determine the volume of fuel in the tank.
• If the tank is not full, calculate the weight of the fuel in the tank using one of the following formulas:
o Multiply the number of US gallons of fuel by 6.7 to equal total pounds of fuel.
o Multiply the number of liters of fuel by 0.8 to equal total kg of fuel.
NOTE: Any weight equivalent placed into the load space area must be evenly distributed at the front and the right hand side of the load space.
• Calculate the weight equivalent that must be added to the load space area by subtracting the total amount of fuel currently in the tank from the LR3 fuel tank capacity of 152 lbs. (69 kg).
NOTE: Vehicles that have any of the front or rear, upper or lower control arm bushings changed must complete a ten mile road test before having the geometry checked and adjusted if necessary.
The road test will allow the suspension to settle.
NOTE: GTR lookup sequence is as follows:
GTR Home > NAS > Service Information/ LA – LR3 > Workshop Manuals > Bookmark "Chassis/Suspension/204-00: Suspension System – General Information" Link "Four-Wheel Alignment (57.65.04)"
CAUTION: GTR identifies an alignment specification range.
The exact "TARGET SPECIFICATIONS" in the table below should be used on vehicles that have experienced uneven tire wear.
When setting suspension geometry after front or rear/upper or lower control arm bushing replacement, the rear toe should be set to the TARGET SPECIFICATION in the table.
3. Refer to GTR section 204-00 Four-Wheel Alignment operation 57.65.04 and adjust the front and rear wheel alignment to the "TARGET" specification figures noted in the table below:
TOE ADJUSTMENT
TARGET
SPECIFICATIONS
(decimal degrees)
Front total toe + 0.03
Left-hand rear toe + 0.18
Right-hand rear toe + 0.18
Rear total toe + 0.36
Thanks for your help...
First time posting... we have a 2003 Discovery with about 55k miles on the original Goodyears (bummer about some of the other readers whose GYs wore out prematurely!). These have been good, thinking it makes sense to keep the same tires as the spare, but Costco has the Michelin's and BFGs for about $900. I've had good luck with Michelins in the past...
Any thoughts/suggestions? Much appreciated.
The dealer claims he is the only person who can do the alignments, has the special lug nut wrench, can do a lug-based balancing and a lot of other technical jargon. Even if I get the tires somewhere else he STRONGLY recommends I come in for a $450 alignment and balancing. He has to lower the air suspension using his magic computer to get everything right. Is this legit? Can the average tire store install new tires on an LR3? Do they need to be checked up on by the LR dealer?
10 ply is an older way to say LRE.
It does not relate to the number of carcasses.
BFG All-Terrain and Mud-Terrain tires have Tri-Gard (3 ply carcass construction).
Anyone else with LR3 SE V6 with tire issues? What tire will you recommend?
My dealer in Rocklin CA recommend Les Schwob Toyo Proxes SIT for $1200 (255/60/18) or Open Country HIT for $1400.
Thanks in advance.
On the recommendation of the tire person, I ended up purchasing four Nexen Roadian H/T tires. The tires are Korean made and are about $110 each. They have a lower speed rating than the Goodyears (I never go over 85 mph), but they are definitely quieter, and from what I can tell, offer comparable performance. I am happy with them.
After reading all of the blogs it appears that the best replacement is the Nitto Grapplers in the 285/ 60-18's. My question to everyone out there that has gone this route is: (1) Do the tires rub on tight turns or during mild to moderate off road ventures, (2) do they mess with the speedometer accuracy, and finaly how have they worn.
I am planning on purchasing in the next couple of days so any and all feedback as well as other options would be greatly appreciated. Even on my worse days, I wouldnt trade my baby in for anything else out there. Truth be told, I miss my series II like crazy!!
Thanks
Thanks so much
Mike
Good luck,
Frank
The Yoko's outperform the GY's in every category on the road, despite being an AT. Off-road is no contest.
I paid my way thru college busting tires at a tire shop and I have always had good luck with the Cooper brand of tires. I am religous about checking air pressure, balancing, and rotating and I have convinced myself that it makes a huge difference in the way that my tires have always worn.
I will let you know how they do in the months to follow.
I'm thinking of replacing the 19"s with 18" LR wheels and then it's the decision of which tire size - I'm thinking 265/65/18 vs. 275/60/18 vs. Nitto Terra Grapplers 285/60/18. Does anyone have any input on this with regard to best choice, scrubbing, etc.?
-JL
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Is it possible if you guys let me know what brand, size and price you paid? Has anyone have tried Michelin from COSTCO?
Thanks in advance.
As regards performance, on-road the stock tyres have a firmer and better road feel. That's for sure. However, I do find the 80/60 profile provides a smoother ride overall and so long as you don't think you're driving a sports car I find them very satisfactory. Definitely noisier and softer ride than stock.
For off road the Nitto's definitely have more traction, particularly when in dusty or muddy conditions. For normal snow use, the Nitto's are great. For serious off trail snow use I wouldn't say that they are that much better than stock - my stock tyres always seemed OK in deep snow. The more aggressive Nitto tread pattern seems to help in low speed rock/gravel/mud traversal.
The Nitto's look bad-[non-permissible content removed] on the vehicle. They look like they belong. As regards wear and long term use, after 38'000 miles mine are still going strong with very moderate wear on the inside front and little wear at all on the rears. The stock tyres were junk in this respect and rapidly wore out for me plus did so in a manner than produced a tread pattern/block profile that was both unpleasant to drive with and noisy too.
YMMV.
I have LR3 SE V6 and which comes with 18" tire size. I have 28k miles and dealer told me I need to replace the tires at 30k.
Anyone else with LR3 SE V6 with tire issues? What tire will you recommend?
My dealer in Rocklin CA recommend Les Schwob Toyo Proxes SIT for $1200 (255/60/18) or Open Country HIT for $1400.
I brought up the Nitto's, however, the dealer mentioned that since they are a wider tire, they would pull out some cable impacting the suspension...and that it happens 'all' the time and costs $400 to fix each time.
Any thoughts?
Any advise on Nexen tires? I read that you paid $110/each. What was the total came out after all 4 tires and balance+etc $$? Where did you get those tires? Does the loacl dealers like Leshwab carry those or need to order online thru tirerack?
My original tires are 255/60R18. Should I go to same size or 265/60R18 would work? Any problems with different size?
I called my dealer and he said few peoples have 265 instead 255 and that is fine.
What do you say? Any feedback from any LR3 owners will be appreciated. I need to buy new tires in next couple of weeks.
Thank you.
thanks
If you don't go off road, I would suggest you to buy these. I have done lot of rsearch and came up to these Toyo tires even my Land Rover dealer recommended Toyo tires as well.
Good luck!!
I've had the Nitto's for the last 45k+ miles and they are still going strong. I have a 2005 HSE so it was a change from 19's to 18's and so the difference in ride quality was more significant. In my case, I much prefer the slightly softer road feel and I've had ZERO problems with these tires at all. I went through 2 sets of the original tires like a hot knife through butter - and the ride quality and wear & noise with them was terrible. I've used the Nitto's extensively for long road trips as well as a lot of forest roads/fields/beach etc.
I agree about the 'look' - they are a perfect match to the vehicle. (I have winch/expedition rack/bars etc etc).
WERE RECOMMENDED FOR MY LR3. I HAVE PIRELLI'S NOW AND THEY HAVE NOT WORN WELL AT ALL.
Did Michelin stop making the Synchrones?
Just curious.
My dealer is telling me to put on Pirelli Zero's or Goodyear Wranglers.
What do you guys think?