What you consider waste is not always the same as everyone else. I consider turning on the air before the house gets to 85 degrees as waste. Others may think it is too hot at 79 degrees. You consider driving a luxury car that gets under 20 MPG as waste, while many other people do not. So your denunciation of waste is in my opinion a denunciation of consumerism. We disagree on who should make the rules. I think each individual, while you believe the government.
I am not sure how you go from the concept of individuals can and do control their own ideas of waste to: why that is stupid, ergo that is why we have laws against murder. Don't explain, just get back on topic.
Gary basically asked, "Why does the guvmint need to set rules for pollution levels?
We were considering waste. You threw in murder to deflect off of waste being an individual consideration vs a government determination. I do not consider trimming the fat off of a beef roast and disposing of it as waste. Other people may. I don't want the government telling me my car is more wasteful than needs be. We have too much government. When they start adding tax for CO2 where does it stop? If you exhale more than I do because you are riding your bike and I am blogging, should you be charged for more carbon emissions? How about the GHG that a pet emits. Will that be taxed by an overly zealous State like CA. I would not discount it happening. We now have to give our chickens, pigs and cattle more exercise. Will that increase their GHG emissions?
Gary says, "I do not consider trimming the fat off of a beef roast and disposing of it as waste."
You could put it into a composter and add it to your garden as food.
Gary says, "I don't want the government telling me my car is more wasteful than needs be."
Unfortunately, it is a requirement to keep all the cars off the road which might really REALLY pollute badly. Too many people, given their own chance to drive whatever kind of polluter they wanted to, would choose unwisely. You know that to be true as well as I do.
You know I'm not for "overzealous" in any facet. I'm advocating using reasonable methods to curb your own waste.
Extremism in ANY regard is almost invariably a bad idea.
You can't really compost meat scraps unless you cook them first, and even then you risk attracting rats and other critters.
"Democrats are fighting over control of the House Energy and Commerce Committee and the outcome could affect President-elect Obama's efforts to limit the heat-trapping gases blamed for global warming."
And what's the underlying fight? Waxman of California vs. Dingell of Michigan for the energy chair (guess who doesn't want stricter mpg standards?).
I've been composting for umpteen years, although I did the worm thing when I was in Anchorage. My piles here are outside, and meat scraps have more issues than I want to deal with, especially since I rarely turn mine and don't want to dig into the middle of them to stick a slab of fat in. My piles start out around 5x5x4' high and I have three cooking right now.
I'm sure not going to pay to plug a composter into an electric outlet (your link's gizmo "cooks" the meat scraps you know)..
I dare say D2 is less expensive now than the D2 I bought in a suburb of NO, LA 1 week pre Katrina @ 2.85 and thought that was way cheap. As a snap shot MY new car sales are down to 10 M from 16.5 M or -39 percent and fuel consumption is down dramatically even as the price is DOWN 35% !!! And the demo's want to stimulate NEW car sales? Why? They have worked so very hard to get them down 39%?????? :shades:
Now that looks like a wasteful device. People really pay a few hundred $'s for that thing, and then pay for the electric to run it?
What I really think is wasteful is anyone who runs an AC when it is not at least 90F out. I don't even own one, and maybe use it once a year in the car when I'm dressed in a suit or similar. I think the Carbon Credit police should start writing tickets for anyone riding in a car with the AC, on when not really needed.
Waxman, 69, has headed the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that has spent the past two years taking the Bush administration to task over global warming and muzzling government scientists.
Why is there such a concerted effort to keep scientists quiet about Climate Change that does not fit the agenda? I would say if they are given a chance the radical CC faction will put the final nail in the Big 3 coffin.
PS The Larsb composter does look like a good idea. I would have to see some reviews as to its real life workings. We never put meat products on our compost pile. It attracts rats and coyotes.
My point was some people EAT the fat rather than WASTE it.
where people having to wear suits and ties in climate controlled office buildings?
No corporation should force anyone to wear a suit and tie. And if it keeps the AC from being turned on great. What did people do before AC was invented? Obviously it's a "want" not a "need"; therefore it might be "waste". Driving to see the relatives is waste, when you could call them, or get them on a computer cam. Just more self-justified excuses from people who are adding to GW.
Absolutely. Driving anywhere that is not a need is wasting energy and causing undo pollution as well as heating up this ball we call home. I am sure the carbon cops will crack down on any frivolous non essential trips. Anything over 6000 miles per year should be highly taxed. A buck a mile sounds like a good round figure to me. It would work a lot better than $4 or $5 per gallon gas.
As many of you know there are thousands of reputable scientists that do not subscribe to the church of global warming.
The lastest NASA data over the last few years shows a marked decrease in the earths temperature.
Last year was the largest decrease for one year since data has been recorded.
We had the earliest snowfall in my cities history in October in 2008.
You probably also know that the Earth has a ten thousand year ice age cycle that may be upon us.
In the hundred or so of science based articles that I have read, I am not yet on board the Global Warming Train.
History has demonstrated time and again that people that want to control your property and your life will use fear as a tool.
In the last century there has been six distinct panics that the Earth was cooling or heating. Some of you might remember that in the 70s the experts were telling us that we were entering a new ice age.
Am I missing something here?
The ingenity of the human mind is boundless and I am sure will find a way to clean the air and optimize it for life on this beautiful planet.
Some very wise people say that what we worry about usually never happens. It is what we are not thinking about that usually gets us.
AS you will never guess who is a current partner at "Kleiner Perkins Caufield and Byers of Menlo Park" link title
The bad/good news? Starting in 2012 (if the new 35 mpg standards really start being implemented ( defacto being swagged at -19%= 28.4 mpg -same as 27 mpg standard with defacto @ 22 mpg) with 10 M in MY sales,: then to swap out the current fleet (251.4 M/ 10 M) will take 25 years as a minimum.
In CA to show progress, the policy has been to get rid of manufacturing jobs i.e., auto manufacturing, where they usually end up overseas. Perhaps Detroit is starting to embrace the CA demo agenda? :lemon: As it has often been said: so goes CALI so goes the rest of the country?
Tell me it ain't so. I would look for Powell or Kerry to get the State post. Gore is a one pony show and totally polarizing. I don't think Gore is interested. He has all his CO2 producing toys to play with.
I think if the job is offered AND Gore actually takes the job, it will be like St Patties day in Chicago, we are ALL IRISH (aka genuflect at the mere words: global warming) :lemon:
Carbon credits issued for ceremonial stake burning of non believers.
Much has been made about how much Obama OWES the various factions that got him elected. If one looks at the popular vote, his (election) presidency is FAR from a mandate from the "peoples" I would tend to see his "SLIGHT" majority as more of an anti BUSH, Palin loathing, etc., rather than whole hearted endorsement of his seemingly flip flop here to fore secret policies. The major advantage is almost EVERYONE is now in his party. So in effect, it is HIS to command. This was hardly so when a Repub was in the executive office against a house and senate that were primarily democratic.
If you look at the electoral college vote, the old politics(aka back room cigar smoke deals) then YES. It will be interesting to see how he puts together his "machine"
Well on the other hand you have to give credit where credit is due and President Clinton quietly locked down (to ensure the) USA pre eminence and dominance as the world's coal exporter! He did this at the beginning of his 8 year presidency, So this has been going on for at least 16 years!!! Who are the major customers? aka the Kyoto signers? :P
Warren Buffet ( investor that he is) long ago bought BIG stakes in TRAINS (this is all common knowledge). How are trains and coal related? Far and away the BIGGEST train customers are the COAL industries, oil, gas and followed by the commodities such as grains, etc.... If it were left to the "heavier" duty manufacturing (washing machines, etc,) trains would have folded LONG ago. Train companies have long been on the public dole.
Sorry, I'm not following how a missile defense story ties in with autos and GW. My doc made me swear off afternoon coffee, so it's probably not going to get any clearer either.
Directly it is probably peripheral: albeit HUGE red flags for those that follow these things. But it all depends on how you see the recent barrel of oil prices of 147. per vs projections of going to 50 all in very very short periods of time. Indeed it could drop below 50 literally overnight! Bloomberg has dated Brent spot @ 51.22
If I am off topic I will stop. But in the meantime, let me put something out there. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was in TALL cotton with per barrel prices @147, what would you think is happening when the price you get is now -66% ? Keep in mind it (the price drop) has NOT triggered more demand !!! Indeed it has triggered DECREASED demand. Funny how that reality shoots holes in the liberal notion that the ONLY way to get down oil consumption is to raise prices!!?? Indeed have the auto unions ever struck to make management make cars American consumers will actually buy? :lemon:
Scheduled shifts in Earth's orbit should plunge the planet into an enduring Ice Age thousands of years from now but the event will probably be averted because of man-made greenhouse gases, scientists said Wednesday. They cautioned, though, that this news is not an argument in favour of global warming, which is driving imminent and potentially far-reaching damage to the climate system.
I completely agree, I heard some discussion on the radio last week about the glaciers in Alaska actually gaining mass over the past few years. I agree that we all need to do our part to take care of the planet that we live on but the global warming agenda has become an issue that our government is throwing billions and billions or OUR DOLLARS at with no scientific proof that it is going to solve any global warming issue at all...if there is an issue.
The article about the orbit of the Earth and the amount of solar radiation, and whether we have a climate like now or a Snow-Ball Earth, is exactly what I was referring to a couple of weeks ago.
The solar activity and our orbit are the main controls on our climate. All energy on Earth has its origin in the Sun, and its gravitational energy to in the first place form the planets. The Sun provides the main gravitational energy of keeping the Earth orbiting, and of the Earth rotating. The Sun provides all the solar energy which over past millenium allowed the materials to grow and then be converted into our stores of NG, oil, and coal. It is now the sun that provides the Earth with the energy to stay on average 500F warmer than the void of space. Without the sun keeping that warmth, or even +450F when we swing to a wider orbit this planet would be frozen solid in the billions of years without it.
The sun was, is, and will be the main control of what happens on Earth. I would prefer an Earth with an average temperature of 75F.
Funny how you haven't heard a peek from the environmental side at how much better the air and so called "global warming" has become since we have lessen fuel consumption, lessen new car sales from 16-16.5 M a year, to be on track for 10.5 M in 2009. Lessen consumerism. .... etc etc.
"California alone, which has the nation's worst air quality, according to the American Lung Association, loses $28 billion each year due to smog-related deaths, work and school absences, emergency room visits, and asthma attacks and other respiratory illnesses, says a new study by Cal State Fullerton.
We need a healthier economy, and that can be defined in more ways than one. Better air quality standards and a bailout package for the auto industry with caveats on fuel efficiency can reshape America. Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air."
That is a particularly short sighted article in light of the fact Santa Monica is located and affected by the Santa Anna winds. To wit, the "natural" state of CA are: every 5 years UNMITIGATED and MASSIVE wild fires up and down the length of the state. :lemon:
The reason CA has these so called "uncontrollable /untame able" disasters like the current burning of Monteceito, CA and habitually Malibu, CA , are unnatural CA policies of stopping natural wild fires: ergo the various fuels pile/s up to "disaster levels." LIterally anything from a very natural lightning strike to a BBQ ember can set off a potential disaster. Of course, you are enjoined from removing this stuff. Getting permits to remove this stuff and or control burns are literally considered environmentally unsound and literally impossble... So the consequences are..... almost predictable. The only question is the WHEN probability. :lemon: .
due to smog-related deaths, work and school absences, emergency room visits,
I would be interested to see how that compares to the deaths and expenses relating to obesity and type 2 diabetes caused by processed foods. I would think that is a MUCH more serious problem than air quality.
600,000 Americans dying prematurely each year from obesity, lack of exercise, and smoking.
We know smoking has gone way down so obesity is the major health issue we face. So many other issues get pushed to the forefront to protect the mega ag industry.
I don't think you can just cherry pick one problem and slack off on the rest. Having a "year of the sea" is all well and good for publicizing problems but you can't divert all the funding to ocean problems.
There does seem to be good evidence tying in health issues with vehicle exhaust, and (mostly) affordable remedies appear to be available. And it also seems that lots of those remedies happen to tie in nicely with current thinking on global warming "solutions."
I think I just used up my daily allotment of weasel words in just one post. :P
I have no link, but I heard in passing, smoking (active not passive) is responsible for 400,000 deaths per year. The latest per year USA motality is 1..4M. Diabetes (diet related I am sure) is considered epidemic.
I don't think it is the cars that are the issue. In CA it is directly related to Shipping and trucking. Most of the cars sold today have cleaner exhaust than the air going in. It has reached to point of diminishing returns. People in Phoenix are now having horrible respiratory problems and much is dust and pollen in the air. Cars are an easy target and a way to extort money from the working man.
Just as all the carbon credit crappola will be paid by you and I the working stiffs. Higher utility bills etc.
it's dust and pollen and smoking. As a Respiratory Therapist it pains me to see fellow workmates head out and smoke. Talk about not really getting the message in to the noggin, and then putting the wrong impression back out to others. :sick:
Pollution doesn't help but I have not heard that one before, gagrice, that most cars today put out cleaner air than they take in. :surprise:
Indeed I think before anyone moves anywhere, one has to assess the local, state, and feds propensity to enact wacko policies.
For example years ago, I did the research in preparation of moving to Incline Village, NV. The huge red flag was construction was mandated to be done as close to trees (dying or otherwise) Indeed some folks have even made living (probably now dead) trees PART of the house. This of course goes against those very same agencies whose regulations require "adequate" fire breaks and common sense. Indeed if you cut down a tree on your own property even despite emergency circumstances: aka sans proper permits, you could be sent to jail on felony charges. Needless to say this (for me) was a deal breaker.
Fast forward to the 2008/2009 season, the whole north Tahoe area had since had diseases affecting living trees. This literally has decimated the tree population en mass and most dead trees are.... still standing.
Most will probably ignore the absolutely obvious that dust and pollen are NATURAL!!!??? :lemon: Indeed if one is susceptible, you need to create and stay in an "artificial" environment.
that most cars today put out cleaner air than they take in
That is probably limited to PZEV cars and depending what part of So CA you live in. I imagine a diesel truck cleans the air it breaths in San Bernardino... :sick: Though we were up there a couple weeks ago and could see the mountains. That was a real treat you rarely see in that smog trap of a city.
Actually the Pollen in Phoenix is a result of major crop growers. It was a very healthy climate until they started planting stuff out there. It is a CO2 sink. That should be worth something.
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I do denunciate WASTE and I always will.
And so should all of us.
What you consider waste is not always the same as everyone else. I consider turning on the air before the house gets to 85 degrees as waste. Others may think it is too hot at 79 degrees. You consider driving a luxury car that gets under 20 MPG as waste, while many other people do not. So your denunciation of waste is in my opinion a denunciation of consumerism. We disagree on who should make the rules. I think each individual, while you believe the government.
If that works, why do we have laws against murder?
And laws against not wearing your seatbelt and speeding?
People can for the most part do well in controlling their own lives.
But guvmint, in SOME cases, DOES need to step in. Imagine no police force.
Gary basically asked, "Why does the guvmint need to set rules for pollution levels?" and I answered him.
We were considering waste. You threw in murder to deflect off of waste being an individual consideration vs a government determination. I do not consider trimming the fat off of a beef roast and disposing of it as waste. Other people may. I don't want the government telling me my car is more wasteful than needs be. We have too much government. When they start adding tax for CO2 where does it stop? If you exhale more than I do because you are riding your bike and I am blogging, should you be charged for more carbon emissions? How about the GHG that a pet emits. Will that be taxed by an overly zealous State like CA. I would not discount it happening. We now have to give our chickens, pigs and cattle more exercise. Will that increase their GHG emissions?
You could put it into a composter and add it to your garden as food.
Gary says, "I don't want the government telling me my car is more wasteful than needs be."
Unfortunately, it is a requirement to keep all the cars off the road which might really REALLY pollute badly. Too many people, given their own chance to drive whatever kind of polluter they wanted to, would choose unwisely. You know that to be true as well as I do.
You know I'm not for "overzealous" in any facet. I'm advocating using reasonable methods to curb your own waste.
Extremism in ANY regard is almost invariably a bad idea.
"Democrats are fighting over control of the House Energy and Commerce Committee and the outcome could affect President-elect Obama's efforts to limit the heat-trapping gases blamed for global warming."
And what's the underlying fight? Waxman of California vs. Dingell of Michigan for the energy chair (guess who doesn't want stricter mpg standards?).
Party tussle ensnares Obama's global warming goals (AP)
Oh, Ye of little faith !!! You know I don't usually say things unless I have some factual basis for it !!
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I'm sure not going to pay to plug a composter into an electric outlet (your link's gizmo "cooks" the meat scraps you know)..
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RUG 2.59
D2 2.79.
I dare say D2 is less expensive now than the D2 I bought in a suburb of NO, LA 1 week pre Katrina @ 2.85 and thought that was way cheap. As a snap shot MY new car sales are down to 10 M from 16.5 M or -39 percent and fuel consumption is down dramatically even as the price is DOWN 35% !!! And the demo's want to stimulate NEW car sales? Why? They have worked so very hard to get them down 39%??????
What I really think is wasteful is anyone who runs an AC when it is not at least 90F out. I don't even own one, and maybe use it once a year in the car when I'm dressed in a suit or similar. I think the Carbon Credit police should start writing tickets for anyone riding in a car with the AC, on when not really needed.
Why is there such a concerted effort to keep scientists quiet about Climate Change that does not fit the agenda? I would say if they are given a chance the radical CC faction will put the final nail in the Big 3 coffin.
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The Larsb composter does look like a good idea. I would have to see some reviews as to its real life workings. We never put meat products on our compost pile. It attracts rats and coyotes.
My point was some people EAT the fat rather than WASTE it.
No corporation should force anyone to wear a suit and tie. And if it keeps the AC from being turned on great. What did people do before AC was invented? Obviously it's a "want" not a "need"; therefore it might be "waste".
Driving to see the relatives is waste, when you could call them, or get them on a computer cam. Just more self-justified excuses from people who are adding to GW.
Absolutely. Driving anywhere that is not a need is wasting energy and causing undo pollution as well as heating up this ball we call home.
The lastest NASA data over the last few years shows a marked decrease in the earths temperature.
Last year was the largest decrease for one year since data has been recorded.
We had the earliest snowfall in my cities history in October in 2008.
You probably also know that the Earth has a ten thousand year ice age cycle that may be upon us.
In the hundred or so of science based articles that I have read, I am not yet on board the Global Warming Train.
History has demonstrated time and again that people that want to control your property and your life will use fear as a tool.
In the last century there has been six distinct panics that the Earth was cooling or heating. Some of you might remember that in the 70s the experts were telling us that we were entering a new ice age.
Am I missing something here?
The ingenity of the human mind is boundless and I am sure will find a way to clean the air and optimize it for life on this beautiful planet.
Some very wise people say that what we worry about usually never happens. It is what we are not thinking about that usually gets us.
"Start using real numbers when we talk about energy"
Demos have blocked the way to so called "CAFE" standards: ..."after 15 years of stonewalling."...
UPSHOT: ..."Let's cut out the misinformation, inform the public of the real numbers and achieve genuine energy leadership."
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AS you will never guess who is a current partner at "Kleiner Perkins Caufield and Byers of Menlo Park" link title
The bad/good news? Starting in 2012 (if the new 35 mpg standards really start being implemented ( defacto being swagged at -19%= 28.4 mpg -same as 27 mpg standard with defacto @ 22 mpg) with 10 M in MY sales,: then to swap out the current fleet (251.4 M/ 10 M) will take 25 years as a minimum.
In CA to show progress, the policy has been to get rid of manufacturing jobs i.e., auto manufacturing, where they usually end up overseas. Perhaps Detroit is starting to embrace the CA demo agenda? :lemon: As it has often been said: so goes CALI so goes the rest of the country?
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I think if the job is offered AND Gore actually takes the job, it will be like St Patties day in Chicago, we are ALL IRISH (aka genuflect at the mere words: global warming) :lemon:
Carbon credits issued for ceremonial stake burning of non believers.
Much has been made about how much Obama OWES the various factions that got him elected. If one looks at the popular vote, his (election) presidency is FAR from a mandate from the "peoples" I would tend to see his "SLIGHT" majority as more of an anti BUSH, Palin loathing, etc., rather than whole hearted endorsement of his seemingly flip flop here to fore secret policies. The major advantage is almost EVERYONE is now in his party. So in effect, it is HIS to command. This was hardly so when a Repub was in the executive office against a house and senate that were primarily democratic.
If you look at the electoral college vote, the old politics(aka back room cigar smoke deals) then YES. It will be interesting to see how he puts together his "machine"
Warren Buffet ( investor that he is) long ago bought BIG stakes in TRAINS (this is all common knowledge). How are trains and coal related? Far and away the BIGGEST train customers are the COAL industries, oil, gas and followed by the commodities such as grains, etc.... If it were left to the "heavier" duty manufacturing (washing machines, etc,) trains would have folded LONG ago. Train companies have long been on the public dole.
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And the USA protects European oil logistics, when even they do no like us?
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If I am off topic I will stop. But in the meantime, let me put something out there. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was in TALL cotton with per barrel prices @147, what would you think is happening when the price you get is now -66% ? Keep in mind it (the price drop) has NOT triggered more demand !!! Indeed it has triggered DECREASED demand. Funny how that reality shoots holes in the liberal notion that the ONLY way to get down oil consumption is to raise prices!!?? Indeed have the auto unions ever struck to make management make cars American consumers will actually buy? :lemon:
Scheduled shifts in Earth's orbit should plunge the planet into an enduring Ice Age thousands of years from now but the event will probably be averted because of man-made greenhouse gases, scientists said Wednesday.
They cautioned, though, that this news is not an argument in favour of global warming, which is driving imminent and potentially far-reaching damage to the climate system.
The solar activity and our orbit are the main controls on our climate. All energy on Earth has its origin in the Sun, and its gravitational energy to in the first place form the planets. The Sun provides the main gravitational energy of keeping the Earth orbiting, and of the Earth rotating. The Sun provides all the solar energy which over past millenium allowed the materials to grow and then be converted into our stores of NG, oil, and coal. It is now the sun that provides the Earth with the energy to stay on average 500F warmer than the void of space. Without the sun keeping that warmth, or even +450F when we swing to a wider orbit this planet would be frozen solid in the billions of years without it.
The sun was, is, and will be the main control of what happens on Earth. I would prefer an Earth with an average temperature of 75F.
Since the current average temperature of earth is 59F going up to 75F would be quite a jump. Better start driving a couple million SUVs.
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Saw this the other day: Tackle air quality and you tackle health care too.
"California alone, which has the nation's worst air quality, according to the American Lung Association, loses $28 billion each year due to smog-related deaths, work and school absences, emergency room visits, and asthma attacks and other respiratory illnesses, says a new study by Cal State Fullerton.
We need a healthier economy, and that can be defined in more ways than one. Better air quality standards and a bailout package for the auto industry with caveats on fuel efficiency can reshape America. Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air."
The reason CA has these so called "uncontrollable /untame able" disasters like the current burning of Monteceito, CA and habitually Malibu, CA , are unnatural CA policies of stopping natural wild fires: ergo the various fuels pile/s up to "disaster levels." LIterally anything from a very natural lightning strike to a BBQ ember can set off a potential disaster. Of course, you are enjoined from removing this stuff. Getting permits to remove this stuff and or control burns are literally considered environmentally unsound and literally impossble... So the consequences are..... almost predictable. The only question is the WHEN probability. :lemon: .
I would be interested to see how that compares to the deaths and expenses relating to obesity and type 2 diabetes caused by processed foods. I would think that is a MUCH more serious problem than air quality.
600,000 Americans dying prematurely each year from obesity, lack of exercise, and smoking.
We know smoking has gone way down so obesity is the major health issue we face. So many other issues get pushed to the forefront to protect the mega ag industry.
There does seem to be good evidence tying in health issues with vehicle exhaust, and (mostly) affordable remedies appear to be available. And it also seems that lots of those remedies happen to tie in nicely with current thinking on global warming "solutions."
I think I just used up my daily allotment of weasel words in just one post. :P
Just as all the carbon credit crappola will be paid by you and I the working stiffs. Higher utility bills etc.
Some sites say there are ~250 million cars on the road in the US (and every one seems to be on the road at 5 pm). That does make them an easy target.
Pollution doesn't help but I have not heard that one before, gagrice, that most cars today put out cleaner air than they take in. :surprise:
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For example years ago, I did the research in preparation of moving to Incline Village, NV. The huge red flag was construction was mandated to be done as close to trees (dying or otherwise) Indeed some folks have even made living (probably now dead) trees PART of the house. This of course goes against those very same agencies whose regulations require "adequate" fire breaks and common sense. Indeed if you cut down a tree on your own property even despite emergency circumstances: aka sans proper permits, you could be sent to jail on felony charges. Needless to say this (for me) was a deal breaker.
Fast forward to the 2008/2009 season, the whole north Tahoe area had since had diseases affecting living trees. This literally has decimated the tree population en mass and most dead trees are.... still standing.
That is probably limited to PZEV cars and depending what part of So CA you live in. I imagine a diesel truck cleans the air it breaths in San Bernardino... :sick: Though we were up there a couple weeks ago and could see the mountains. That was a real treat you rarely see in that smog trap of a city.