Lexus LS 460/LS 460L News, Views and Opinions

ljflx

It's standard according to the data below on both front seats. I didn't look at the passsenger seat when I drove it though. Rear seats get memory as well if you take the lux package. One difference is they went back to memory for 2 drivers instead of the 3 drivers that I have on my 2004 LS430.

Except:

"The Lexus Memory System will save settings for two different drivers and front-seat passengers. Both the driver’s and front passenger’s side exterior mirrors are also included."

Full link:

http://www.lexus.com/models/LS/features/interior/luxury_seating.html

hage57

I picked my 07 LS 460L 10 days ago. It has no passenger memory settings, but does have three settings for the driver, just as in my 04 LS. I believe that this will be corrected in the 08 model. I also have a pronounced wind noise on the front passenger window, other than that this a great car, much improved over the last series LS.

hage57

tricky73

I would be happy to post my experience with this car. This is my fifth LS since 1990, I owned one Audi A8 and talk about problems. I read your posts and other than wind noise I have not experienced these problems. I did not get the auto park option, I think that it needs more work before it is perfected. I did experience the wiper problems with my '04 LS, however, it was fixed by the dealer, and that was the only issue that I had in three years. Good luck with your LS 460 and keep us up to date with your problems.

rgsw

And Now There is One. Lexus LS 460 Declared 2007 World Car of the Year. See:

">http://www.lexus.com/about/news/articles/2007/4/20070405_1.html?s_ocid=30204

nvbanker

Wind noise? I drove my LS430 out of town yesterday, at 100mph for a time, and there was not so much as a whisper of wind or road noise. In fact, the car was so quiet, my two passengers didn't have a clue how fast I was going. I would be very disappointed to buy a 460 and have wind noise. I can buy a Town CAr for a lot less if I want wind noise.

gary44

I have just returned from vacation and still no car. Tuesday of next week will be exactly 5 months to the day that the vehicle was ordered. I will e-mail and complain. At this point I am strongly leaning towards waiting for the 2008 or looking at alternatives.

dssxxxx

You can buy a 2008 RX. I just got my wife one last Saturday..........:-)

Don't know why you haven't gotten your LS/L. My dealer is getting list (or small discount to previous customers) and gets new SWB/LWB LS's in every day. There's a smokey mica LWB on the floor right now for $76K.

tricky73

I misread your post the first time; I thought you were commenting on a 460. I remember my '06 LS430 much the same as you describe the absence of wind noise in your post. A comment, FWIW, is to owners having a late model LS430.

You should consider seriously whether you really want/need an '07 LS460. Were it to do again, I would not have bought the 460; too many problems, and dealer/Lexus HQ support is poor. Best way to avoid the dealer problem is to own a car that does not need warranty work (i.e. LS430;) ditto Lexus HQ support. They seem to still be busy smoozing people who hand out 'car of the century' accolades rather than trying to help people who keep them in business.

dan67

For what it's worth here is the current issue AutoWeek updated review of the LS.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070413/FREE/70409031/1004/T- HISWEEKSISSUE

ms09

SINCE READING THE MESSAGES HERE I THINK I AM MORE THEN CONFUSE WHICH IS THE GOOD CAR... SOME SAY LS IS A GREAT CAR,,, AND SOME ARE TELLING THEIR PROBLEMS. SOME SAY X5 IS GOOD AND AGAIN THEN THERE ARE TROUBLE REVIEWS .. SINCE READING REVIEWS ITS WAY MORE DIFFICULT TO BUY A CAR....

rgsw

Please don't "shout" by using all caps.....
As for the LS460, I have read many positive comments here in the forum, and only a very few negative comments. It is a new version of the LS and a few growing pains are to be expected, even from a Lexus. I have owned several LS430s and have had a few problems along the way. The few problems and a transmission/fuel pump recall were all handled to my satisfaction. Good luck with your selection.

tricky73

How many comments are posted by people who actually own this vehicle vs those who have read about it or have only test driven one? I have said before, if you currently drive an LS4XX model, don't expect to be blown away with superiority of the 460..especially if you need warranty work.

Oil changes they can handle, but bring in an electrical glitch and good luck. I would like to see a video of an average owner using park-o-matic in Beverly Hills. If the space is not taken by the impatient driver behind you the line will be quite long by the time you are parked. Also, don't be surprised if you scrape the rear fender skirt a few times because the sensor doesn't recognize high curbs very well.

I forgot to mention advice given me by Lexus people..."just don't use it." Hows that for Pursuit of Perfection?

tricky73

Me and my faulty memory...another piece of advice after inquiring about why my windshield wipers activate randomly in fair weather. Apparently extensive research has discovered if the owner will simply turn off the rain-sensing wiper stalk during non-rainy seasons that this will probably solve the problem!

pat

You seem to be asking questions about a number of different vehicles. If I may try to help, let me suggest that you do some research in the discussions you are posting as well as in the vehicle detail pages on Edmunds.com.

No one but you can determine what your priorities are. Continuing to post in discussion after discussion asking for people to determine for you the "best" vehicle without even attempting to describe your priorities isn't going to be very productive.

nvbanker

I forgot to mention advice given me by Lexus people..."just don't use it." Hows that for Pursuit of Perfection?

Sounds like my Buick dealer, who once told me, "Jesus doesn't work here, pal"......

joe143

I am looking for some help.I have the 460l for 4 months,love the car hate the driver seat.Had an ES300,LS430 never had a problem.Whent to the dealer thay told me i'm nuts ??????.The bottom part that I sit on feels like i'm sitting on some old yellow pages.

tricky73

What about the passenger seat? It should feel about the same; if not, doesn't sound to me that you are nuts! Have you tried elongating/shortening the depth of the cushion using the power adjustment as it relates to your thigh/knee joint? That, to me, this is a very useful feature of the L model

mcdbirdman

I thought I was just crazy but now there's other confirmation out there!! I have owned a 460L since Dec and I HATE the seat. I am more comfortable in almost any other car including my son's 2001 RAV4. I have tried every position to get comfortable to no avail. I'll be taking it in for it's 5,000 mile check and I intend on complaining. Image uncomfortable seats in a $84,000 car. I need others to post there complains here so I can go in with some other complaints.

tricky73

Good post! For those unhappy with the 460 series this is a way, perhaps, of getting the message to Lexus. You are unhappy with the seat; I feel cheated with the automated parking feature, not to mention nagging electrical problems.

If you keep your rain sensing wipers on "automatic," do they ever activate randomly in clear weather? Have you tried/mastered the automatic parking...I am sure for $85K it is included.

knowspinzone

I suspect there is a rationale behind that moniker.

nvbanker

Interesting comments. Obviously, there are satisfied tushes out there as well....what could it be? In the older 430s, (and I had one), some people made the exact same complaint, while others were quite happy. Turned out, Lexus was using 2 different seat suppliers, both building to the same specs, but one of them turned out very hard flat seat bottoms, the other more supportive bucket type seats. If you got the hard one, you sat on a bleacher. I did. It's one of the reasons I traded mine in for an 05, which I CAREFULLY checked out for seat comfort before signing. I'd advise yous all to do the same thing before buying a 460 - it sounds like the same thing may be going on again.... :surprise:

billsoter

Ever since the LS460 became available last year the available options shown on Lexus' web site for the east coast zip codes do not include the pre-collision system/dynamic radar cruise control and air suspension/VGRS. West coast zips do include these options. Does anyone know why this is? Is it a special order to get these options on the east coast?

tricky73

You did not mention Parking Assist; count your blessings if you can't order it east of the Mississippi. Every L model I have heard of/seen on the West Coast have this hideous option included.

carnaught

You did not mention Parking Assist; count your blessings if you can't order it east of the Mississippi. Every L model I have heard of/seen on the West Coast have this hideous option included.

I agree that this is a needless and costly option. The only positive I can think of is that it will pave the way for future driving, safety and assist technologies.

dan67

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070423/FREE/70423001/1004

Interesting!

knowspinzone

I was told that the reason the pre-collision system/dynamic radar cruise control was not included in cars shipped to the Northeast was because in snow and ice conditions the sensors would be covered and the system would not work. I think this is ludricrous considering that one wouldn't use cruise control in a snowstorm anyway.

I had to special order my car because there was not a single one on the east coast with dynamic cruise control. A couple years ago I drove an Infiniti Q45 with with intelligent cruise control. Once I drove that, I vowed never to get another car without it. If you drive in the wide open spaces of Montana, I guess you can do without it. If you drive in the crowded northeast, cruise control is a complete waste of money unless it is intelligent.

tricky73

Pity the poor service personnel who are having trouble coping with the 460 series! This newer model seems to add several layers of complexity on top of those introduced last fall. I am sure the reviewer of this article was well supported by a number of factory people who have lived with this car for several months...wait until one is delivered in Torrance and a switch goes bad someplace.

tricky73

I just replaced my LS 460L with a GS 450h and tend to agree with your assessment of an intelligent cruise control system. The 450 has this option and I like it so far...the 460 did not have it.

rennybosch

Congratulations on getting rid of your defective 460L. Did the dealer give you fair value for it? I'd hate to be the one who buys that car as a "pre-owned" vehicle.

I am amazed to hear the dynamic cruise control isn't standard on the 460L. I have had it since my 2001 LS430 (Ultra Lux version) and also wouldn't buy a car without it.

Renny

tricky73

As best I can figure, he allowed something near invoice for a new car; compared to other dealers offered I was satisfied. One always loses a ton on situations like this but I am convinced it was the only way to rid myself of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

To repeat myself, those who are currently driving a 430 should think long and hard about why they "need" a 460...at best they aren't that much better, and if you dislike spending time in the repair shop, plus listening to explanations why your malfunction cannot be fixed, stick with the 430 and see how this thing plays out. Also note that Lexus is handling service shops another barrel of snakes with the forthcoming 600.

ljflx

Couldn't disagree with you more. The 460 is well beyond the 430. Maybe you got a bad car but IMO that car is the exception, not the rule. Trying to paint the whole line as bad because you were unhappy isn't going to work.

hendjaz

I have had a 450h and traded it for my current 460L Touring. Both have the Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, but it is an option for both cars. In the 460L the dynamic cruise is coupled with the Lexus Pre-collision system and together is a $2850 option. May have been so packaged in the 450h also but don't recall. Definetly a worthwhile option.

tricky73

What is your source...owner or reader?

ljflx

6 owners, No problems whatsoever. All came from 430 leases and rate the car well above the 430. I felt the same way when I drove it and I had it in my possession a full day. BTW - all have LWB cars.

tricky73

Please keep in touch after you have driven one for 3 months; especially if it requires warranty repairs.

dssxxxx

Bought mine December 27th and have driven it every day. Went from owning the 430 (no lease) to the 460 and couldn't be happier.

Great upgrade from 430 to 460. Can't wait for 3 years to be up so I can grab another........:-)

Also, anyone who wants to buy my left overs.......I always get rid of them at around 3 years, with roughly 20,000 miles.......:-) I'm done with the heavy driving.

ljflx

I know we've had some complaints around here about delays on custom orders, or as Lexus definds them - "Preference orders". Anyway I got the call from my dealer that my order is being shipped on the May 1 boat and I can probably have the car around May 10th. If that's the case then the order process will have taken 100 days. I had orderred on January 31 and I took the lux package and ML package, which are standardized option configs on the 460L. But I bypassed the other standardized options which were the rear seat upgrade, auto parking guidance and Lexus link and replaced them with the air suspension and the pre-collision package. So the order was a big departure to the configs Lexus was shipping to Northeast dealers. Again what Lexus ships to a region is really determined by the dealers in that region and not by what Lexus dictates

anthonyp

Thanks Tony

pat

They made a group for it and moved it here: Lexus LS 600h. I think that's what you are talking about.

ljflx

Why?

It almost seems Edmunds wants to make it more difficult to access things. Plus if you do a search on keywords you need to enter the board exactly as its is. So that defeats the whole purpose of the search in the first place. Put in LS600HL (which is the model for the states) and you get told the board doesn't exist. Put in LS00 H or LS 600 and you get told the same thing. No - you must put in LS600h or Lexus to find it. Now that they've done this they have now broken (and need to fix) something that worked perfectly. Dumb, dumb dumb.

Pat - please tell them to stop fixing things that are not broken. These changes are a huge turnoff and make zero sense. They seem to be change for nothing more than the purpose of change and they are certainly NOT for the better.

knowspinzone

Good luck with the GS 450h!

pat

Well, if you use the Browse By Vehicle search instead of the keyword search, the choices match up with the categories so you don't have to worry about getting it exactly right. (But my experiences with the keyword search is that it is very forgiving, although I certainly believe what you're telling me in this example.) As I understand it, most of our visitors use the Browse By Vehicle search to find what they're looking for.

I wish I could tell "them" to do something, anything at all! Hosts are just hosts - not designers and planners and changers! :P

Your best bet is to use the Contact Us tab under the Help link at the bottom of the page to convey your concerns. Seriously.

You may know this, but in case you or others have missed it - if you use the Track Discussion/Read New Posts method of keeping up with the discussions which interest you, it won't matter if a discussion gets moved. You'll still be tracking it and it won't matter where it resides.

tricky73

Here is my final post on this thread. I gave up on the LS 460L because of poor dealer support and recurring electrical problems.

It has been replaced with a GS 450h which seems to have the equivalent fit-and-finish of the LS, albeit in a smaller package. Safety features abound, some of which were not on the 460 I bought. The hybrid feature of the 450, although novel, was not high on my list of desired attributes.

Some readers have misinterpreted my previous remarks. I tried as best I could to make a comparison with earlier versions in the LS series based on actual owner/dealer experiences, rather than reading about it or talking with friends.

The LS 460/LS 600 vehicles have several improvements which will hopefully filter into other models (e.g. electronic parking brake;) further judgment regarding reliability will await Consumers Report report next spring. Perhaps I got a semi-lemon, but replacing an automobile demonstrating flakey electrical performance is the only way I know to eliminate these kinds of frustration.

ljflx

"Some readers have misinterpreted my previous remarks. I tried as best I could to make a comparison with earlier versions in the LS series based on actual owner/dealer experiences, rather than reading about it or talking with friends."

I think there are two fundamental problems with all of this. One - you have tried (or at least it comes across that way) to say that these are inherent problem on all LS460's when it seems obvious that the problem is isolated to your car. My condolences on that but it happens as no brand is error free. Two - you repeated the same things over and over on several threads. That's rather tiring and folks skip right past it when it's posted often like that. Hence people dismiss it as sour grapes rather than a vehicle problem. I'm not trying to be negative here, it's just how it comes across to me and others as well - apparently.

pat

Good luck with your GS 450h. No need to be a stranger.

gteach26

Gotta agree with you here. Seems like tricky will never be a fan of the 460...it's just the nature of the game though -- you can't please everyone all of the time.

nvbanker

It almost seems Edmunds wants to make it more difficult to access things. Plus if you do a search on keywords you need to enter the board exactly as its is. So that defeats the whole purpose of the search in the first place. Put in LS600HL (which is the model for the states) and you get told the board doesn't exist. Put in LS00 H or LS 600 and you get told the same thing. No - you must put in LS600h or Lexus to find it. Now that they've done this they have now broken (and need to fix) something that worked perfectly. Dumb, dumb dumb.

I have to agree.....TOTALLY. :mad:

ljflx

It almost seems Edmunds wants to make it more difficult to access things. Plus if you do a search on keywords you need to enter the board exactly as its is. So that defeats the whole purpose of the search in the first place. Put in LS600HL (which is the model for the states) and you get told the board doesn't exist. Put in LS00 H or LS 600 and you get told the same thing. No - you must put in LS600h or Lexus to find it. Now that they've done this they have now broken (and need to fix) something that worked perfectly. Dumb, dumb dumb.

I have to agree.....TOTALLY.

It's the Edmunds internet version of I-drive. In other words it's frustrating and makes simple things complex for no necessary reason at all.

nvbanker

It's the Edmunds internet version of I-drive. In other words it's frustrating and makes simple things complex for no necessary reason at all.

Yup! You nailed it!!!

pat

Did you guys even read my post?? :sick:

Look, we can't disrupt this discussion with this and no one who can make anything different will ever see what you are saying. Please either email me or use the Help link at the bottom of the page like I suggested.

Please don't post anymore about this here. Thanks.