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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - X

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    spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Wrong. It just hit the major airwaves. Ford is CHANGING the recommended PSI for the Explorer tires...

    the backpeddling continues.......


    By the way, if the Toyota pickups are such "death traps", why did you buy one for your kid?
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Did not buy a Tacoma, my son, who is 21 bought a Toyota, 94 model. As I recall their rating was much better than the Tacoma.

    Do not question your story, meerly QUESTION what place it has on a Ranger board?

    The tire inflation on the RANGER is very clear:

    30lb Front, 35lb rear for the 235X75X15 tires.
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    barlitz2barlitz2 Member Posts: 5
    I just happened to read an article on the tire pressure of 26psi,can you answer this?Why haven't any of the explorers that came with goodyear tires that also have had 26psi had any problems?
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    eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    how come? goodyear (and michelin) recommend 26 psi. how come they don't have tread separation on the explorer? come on, why?
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Tacoma is not a death trap, that is rather extream. However, a 45% higher rate of SERIOUS injury, as DOCUMENTED by NHSTA, an organization that YOU live by when bashing the Ranger on TSB's (psst, a TSB is in OPINION or CLARIFICATION, NOT always a fact)is indeed serious, regardless of if it was rated against the 2WD or the 4WD.

    1. That side impact rating WAS for the Tacoma.
    2. The Tacoma tested WAS the extracab.
    3. Opinions fly but NO Tacoma owner has produced ANY FACTS to prove that the 4X4 Tacoma is built ANY stronger than the 4X2.
    4. In that regard, I HAVE provided that the Ranger Supercab IS built stronger than the regular cab, 8 cross members vs 5 in the regular cab. 300% increase in strength is cited by Ford.
    5. The Tacoma uses 5 cross members on it's extracab, same number as a Ranger Regular cab.
    And finally:
    6. You continue to cite EXPLORER statistics.
    Why?
    It is based on but a very much DIFFERENT vehicle than the Ranger, different engines, drivetrain, center of gravity, etc.
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    spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    The Ranger had a much higher rate of deaths than the Tacoma on the NHSTA as well.
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    rickc5rickc5 Member Posts: 378
    You're right! Painting white flares black made NO sense to me at all! Here in Colorado, we get LOTS of small chips from the gravel used on the roads during the winter. The rear flares on my Tacoma looked like a "reverse appaloosa" after ONE winter. Pretty odd indeed.

    Toyota may be coming around though.... Yesterday I saw a new Tundra at a local shopping mall. The "Ivan Stewart Signature Edition" in total monchromatic white. Whoa!!! I mean ALL white, except the grille. It actually looked pretty good (did I just say that?).
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    cygnusx1cygnusx1 Member Posts: 290
    Low Heat Rating Found in Tires on Ford SUVs
    Safety: Virtually all similar vehicles from rival auto makers use models that have higher ratings, a survey shows.

    Go here for more....http://www.blueovalnews.com/
    and click on FORD LINCOLN MERC DEALERS ANNOYED WITH DEARBORN
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    kirbytkirbyt Member Posts: 39
    Question for the Ranger owners. When did the extended cab in the Ranger start having both sides open on the rear doors? Something that the Tacoma should have for convenience sake alone.

    Thanks from a potential ranger owner.

    kirbyt
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    tacoma_trdtacoma_trd Member Posts: 135
    I believe it started in '98. Anybody can correct me if I am wrong.
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Yes, 1998, same time Ranger got rated 5 stars for side impact with and injury rate about 1/2 of the Tacoma. . .

    spoog, why do our facts usually conflict?
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    thehitcherthehitcher Member Posts: 56
    Thanks for that informative link regarding Ford's failure to notify the owners of the dangers of owning a Ford vehicle.
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    thehitcherthehitcher Member Posts: 56
    I have read of complaints about the 4 Door Ranger with vibration and a lot of wind noise. I have been considering about buying the new Tacoma double cab 4x4 to replace my departed Taurus.
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    thehitcherthehitcher Member Posts: 56
    Just last mouth my Tacoma climbed to an elevation 6,000 plus feet. I will update my web site to show pics. I have read that your Ranger has in the past climbed to an elevation equal or higher.

    BTW I did see a Ranger in the climb upwards, but he lost traction and had to stop about half way up.
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    kirbytkirbyt Member Posts: 39
    I rented a 4x4 2000 Ranger this past summer in Alaska and in no way experienced the problems you mentioned. It was no different than the past 4x2 units I used to rent from Budget many times. What was different is that the ride seemed much better and of course sat up higher.

    For that reason I'm considering the Ranger 4X4 over the pricey Tacoma. And I like the looks of the Tacoma and their reliability rating. I almost bought my neighbors '86 Toyota PU that had 231,000 miles but decided that minor maintenance was more than purchase price. But that's another story. My complaint then is that the existing Tacoma really needs better access to the extended cab. I want to place my fishing gear out of sight and other gear without having to move the seat every time!

    Keep up the debate guys, it's often quite informative.
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    fivespeedfivespeed Member Posts: 42
    I sold my s10 last nite. It had a 2.8 5speed. I'm thinking about one of those new Rangers. They are supposeto have a new 2.3 4cyl motor. There are none here. Have any of the posters here heard of how the 140 hp motor performs with the auto? Is it better than the 4 cylinder in the 2000 models?
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Hmmm traction loss is generally due to tires and tranny (auto vs manual). . .
    Firestones on that Ranger?

    6K, should make a slight difference vs your normal lower altitude. I find that my mpg is much higher here at altitude vs the almost sea level in Houston. Better by maybe 4-5mpg. Go figure. . .

    Around 11,700 is my highest so far, off-road that is. . .Been to 12,260 on a sort of paved road. Not much O2 at that altitude.

    Where did you go?
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    My DRIVEWAY is at 5,640 ft as per my GPS.
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    mkim808mkim808 Member Posts: 2
    anyone have this system in their toyota 4x4? if so any problems with it?
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    scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    The new 2.3 for the RAnger won't be here for about another 3-4 months. Production lines are playing catch-up. The new 2.3 is supposed to finally bring Ford into lines with Nissan and Toyota as far as technology and HP/Torque specs. If you have to buy now I highly recommend an upgrade to the 3.0 Vulcan V6. The 3.0 can be had in either a 5spd or automatic transmission in any truck configuration. The cost is minimal (about $300 difference from a 2.5) and the HP/Torque performance is leaps and bounds ahead of the 2.5 Ford offers.
    Motor Trend has a good article on the New Ford Ranger with its 4.0 SOHC.
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    spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Cspounser-



    Any comment on why Ford doesn't offer a manual t-case with a neutral position in "4x4" rangers?
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    scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Firestone is getting hammered. did you see that more tires on other vehicles are now being recalled? or under investigation? I'm telling you, I don't see Firestone in business in the next 3-5 years. Also read that Ford is speaking with Michellen too....
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    obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    it Firestone should go belly up. You see it happening already. People waiting up to four weeks to get their tires replaced. Four weeks is a long time to drive on a time bomb.
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    spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    "Four weeks is a long
    time to drive on a time bomb."


    Yep. Ford should have thorougly tested their Explorers with the Firestones, but didn't.
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    modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Seems a bus load of children perished when their
    bus went out of control. It was later confirmed by
    witnesses that the bus was following a Toyota that
    appeared to have a green substance spewing from
    underneath. When the State Troopers caught the
    mystery Toyota it seems the head gasket had blown
    making the road slippery causing the fatal bus
    accident. Toy paid everyone off and made them sign
    a no-fault clause in the settlement.

    Toyota should have tested those head gaskets better. Of course Toy knows of their terrible side impact rating and yet do nothing about it.
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    scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    LOL!! Good one Mod. By the way, yesterday I saw what looked to be about a 1998-99 Camry spewing white smoke like mad out of the tail pipe on Burnside road here in Portland, Oregon. I mean this car was causing quite a visiblity hazard. Finally after about a mile or so he pulled over and as I went by liquid of some sort was just pouring from underneath... OOOHHH what a FEELING! LOL...
    On another note, I took off out towards the coast range early this A.M. with a couple of friends. Took an unmarked road off up into the hills and started into some fun stuff.. It started raining here last night.. Low and behold we come upon a stuck Ford Explorer. I don't know what this guy was thinking but he was in the wrong place with is P225 highway tires.. He was so glad to see us I thought he was goint to kiss us or something. He had been stuck about 2 hours and noone had come by@! So I hooked up some chain to my front tow hooks and yanked him out.. This guy was all alone??!! What an idiot to be out that far with no phone, no help, no gun, no nothing.....
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    obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Ford owners? Especially ones that own Explorers. Did he have Firestones?
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    Because we LIKE the ability to switch between 4X4 high and 4X2(pssst like putting an xfer case in neutral) with the meer 1/10th of a second flick of a switch. . .

    Hmm based on something that happened yesterday, going to have to go back and check your posts blasting Ford for using a tire such as the Wildernes AT. Seem to think there were some good adjectives there I can reuse. . .

    Hee, hee, this is gonna be fun. . .
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    On South Broadway, near Burt Toyota, saw a brand new Tacoma 4X4, still had the window sticker, sporting a set of 265X75X16:

    Firestone Wilderness AT tires.

    First one in this area that I have seen with them. But just curious, did Toyota get a deal on them to cut costs a bit?

    Were you not a bit caustic spoog at Ford for using such a tire?

    Hmmmmm. . .
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    obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    in glass houses? or living in a glass trailer....
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    scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Me too! At my daughters soccer practice tonight a white 4x4 Tacoma Supercab V6 parked a couple vehicles down was sporting Firestone Wilderness AT's.. LOL! These are a joke tire, I believe they are 4ply...
    I have to admit I was surprised seeing these on a Toyota...
    I didn't say the guy in the Explorer was the sharpest pencil in the box...
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    allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    I haven't posted anything for a while because most of the comments come at a Junior high school level from Guitarboob, Vince and others. I, however have had some respect for your comments in the past even though we don't always agree. On the other hand, your comments, i.e., "But just curious, did Toyota get a deal on them to cut costs a bit?
    Were you not a bit caustic spoog at Ford for using
    such a tire" continue to surprise me. I own a Ford too but the issue, which you well know and understand, is that Ford had a problem with their vehicle and the Firestone tires but chose to continue to put their customers at risk and cover up the problem. The constant denial by yourself and the other Ford owners is alarming. Trying to include other manufacturers that use the tire yet have not had problems, at least not resulting in deaths, is pretty childish. What is the problem with admitting that Ford screwed up this time? Is it a blow to your manhood or something to admit that and not continue to pass the blame?
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    spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    FOrd is partly responsible for the deaths of these families.

    Your Toyota head gasket leaking stories are pathetic, That problem never cause a family to swerve off the road and die.


    "Because we LIKE the ability to switch between 4X4
    high and 4X2(pssst like putting an xfer case in
    neutral) with the meer 1/10th of a second flick of
    a switch. . ."



    ANy TRUE offroader will tell you that a manual transfer case is Far superior. The fact that it doesn't come on the ranger is sad indeed. It's actually CHEAPER to not have the floor mounted t-case with neutral than to have a push button in production.

    What happenes when you are in the boonies Cspounser and the fuse and\or electrical problems render your switch useless?

    "Hmm based on something that happened yesterday,
    going to have to go back and check your posts
    blasting Ford for using a tire such as the
    Wildernes AT. Seem to think there were some good
    adjectives there I can reuse. . ."


    Doh! No one has died using the XT's on TAcomas!!!

    Why? Becuase TOYOTA actually tested those tires on TAcoma's!!! Imagine that!! Imagine that!!!!!!!!



    Ford has already amditted that they DID NOT test those firestones on actual explorers, just on modified f 150's.

    Are you really this much of a dumb a#$?


    By the way Cspounser....Gore has already won the electoral vote in Illinois, Michigan, California, the northeast, Wisconsin, and is now challenging Bush in Florida...........
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    ...and behind in his home state of Tennessee by about 5%...they, from Tenn, know their man...

    I have seen no information that the tires were not tested on Rangers, and do not forget, this is NOT
    an EXPLORER board.

    I, unlike some, do not judge untill all the facts are in.
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    spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Howsthat new monument in Colorado? I can't wait to get out there and check it out.
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    modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    This is a serious question. Do you in your infinite wisdom think every aftermarket tire is tested on EVERY application? You're saying if you go out and buy Goodrich Mud Terrains they were tested on the Tacoma? Last time I looked tires were sold by load rating, temp. and wear. not by specific vehicle models.

    You try to say the F150 uses escort brakes when they're not even the same # of bolts or size.

    You say Toy is using Dana axles and they are the greatest. Now you say Ford work truck axles wear out early. Here is a hint spoog, Ford has used Dana axles on there trucks from the beginning in the 3/4 ton and up vehicles. They've ALWAYS used Dana front axles on the 4x's. The 9" Ford is one of the strongest diffs EVER built. The 8.8 is not far behind.

    Please learn about the vehicles your bashing, so you don't look so silly.
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    tacoma_trdtacoma_trd Member Posts: 135
    Will be availible on 2001 Ranger
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    scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Its obvious spoog doesn't have a clue on how the 4x4 system works on a Ranger. Yes, its partially electrical, ever heard of a vacuum solenoid spoog? I have had my truck buried in snow, water, sand, in temps of 10 degrees, and up to over 100 degrees, my system has NEVER failed me. And by the way, my Rangers fuse box is easy to get to. The Book tells me what fuse, along with I have spares and even a fuse puller that came with my truck.... The pulse vacuum system is proving to be quiet reliable. Check other Ford rooms and internet sites around the net...
    Allknowing... still see you have that huge chip on your shoulder? Huh? Enjoying that 3,000 dollar sticker yet on the side of your Toyota that says TRD? LOL!@! How many times have you engaged that locker? Or do you really know when to use that locker or how? I know your going to answer, I use it all the time... bull.... I don't even use 4low all the time I'm offroading... Nice try though.....
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    guitardudeguitardude Member Posts: 44
    Sorry dude, but the vacum on the new rangers does suck. you haven't had problems with it yet, but in general, regardless of what auto manufacturer makes it, any electronic or vacum operated system is destined to fail. I wonder if it's possible to swap the vacum hubs for manual hubs? If it is, it's definetely worth it. My ranger came with manual hubs. Then again, it's 16 years old
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    allknowingallknowing Member Posts: 866
    If Gore gets elected your new 4x4 may have to be a horse.
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    If you ever DO have issues with the 4 wheel drive, look at the relays and fused first for a reseating. Hard 4 wheeling could cause them to pop up a bit.
    Just a heads up.
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    are not like the standard, run of the mill hubs you would find on, say a Tacoma.

    They are not really a hub at all. The are NOT like the old Ford autohubs at all. Do not ask me all the details of how they work, think it has something to do with the Dana (you did see me write Dana, did you not, something you will not find, as I understand it, on a stock Tacoma), I think it is a Dana 34, front end. I posted what it was a while back and as usual, no response from spoog.

    As with vince, my hubs have been in water, buried in snow and mud. Ran em hot, ran em cold. Had a case where, due to my ignorance of the Ford 4 wheel drive system, ran them locked, in 4X4 high, on paved road Colo 96, 160, 115, I25 and Colo 470 to be exact) for 125 miles. I had been 4 wheeling and my relays in the engine were pushed up a bit, not letting me get out of 4 wheel drive. Running them on pavement is not the best treatment, but...
    A year later, the work perfect. Select the switch, 1/10th of a sec later I am in 4X4 high.

    I have heard of NO cases in many search attempts on the internet of any failure of the pulse vacuume hubs themselves. Now the older autohubs, well, they are a different story. Anyone with that system should spend $200 and convert to Warn manual hubs.

    They work fantastic. It would be difficult to consider a manual xfer case after haveing great luck with this system.

    Monument:
    Well, it is still a National Monument. Come on down and drive the 8 mile of sand trail over to Medano pass, but you better hurry. They are closing that 8 mile section and Hayden Pass, due to that measure you supported.
    That pass is fun, until they close the sand part.
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    rickc5rickc5 Member Posts: 378
    Toyota used an electric solenoid to engage the front axle in my '95 Tacoma SR5. This ELECTRIC SOLENOID system eliminated the need to back up to disengage the front hubs and allowed shift-on-the-fly..

    While the '95 had a transfer case shifter to engage 4-wheel low, there was this "BUTTON" on the shifter to engage 4-wheel high. NO shifting of the transfer case required.

    I believe Toyota dropped this system on later Tacomas, probably to save money.
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    cpousnrcpousnr Member Posts: 1,611
    First, you free the 8th for a ride? Looks like a group will be going up then, as of now at least.

    The automatic type systems are nice. I certainly realize the potential for problems if an electrical part goes bad. But then you just drive off in 2wd or get the GPS out and walk out. Part of the territory.
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    eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    "ANy TRUE offroader will tell you that a manual
    transfer case is Far superior."

    are you a true offroader spoog????
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    rickc5rickc5 Member Posts: 378
    Dennis,

    Check your e-mail ASAP!

    Rick
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    spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    IN fact, 4wheeler and edmunds both slammed the Ranger for this.

    Tsk...tsk.

    Just another "lite" aspect of the Ranger showing that it just doesn't add up to the tough truck features of the Tacoma.
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    spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    A manual t-case will be available on 2001 Rangers! woohoo!


    even guitar dude knows the Ford Ranger 4wd engagement system is weak at best.
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    mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    I've had several friends that have owned Rangers and none of them have ever complained of hub or 4-wheel system failures. Now, the system that Chevy used on their S series trucks, I've seen first hand, is the biggest piece of JUNK...but so is their whole drivetrain...but what's new right?
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    eagle63eagle63 Member Posts: 599
    you didn't answer my question. are you a true offroader?
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