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Did the article say what model was being offered with a V12. I could have taken an S600 V12 in trade on my MB Sprinter RV. It sounded real good running down the highway. I felt like a diplomat riding in it. I just did not want another sedan. It would be nice to see Cadillac build an over the top sedan and return to at least share in the glory.
Bill
Well, you waited 30 years between chances!
Seriously, I have no problem with the idea of consumers refusing to buy a brand because they've been unhappy with a purchase - that's what drives capitalism and creates better products for us all. It's economic survival of the fittest.
I have to say that I was a big Acura fan from 86 to 97 and owned a string of them... till they disappointed me in 97. (they didn't fail me, just disappointed me). That was it. I dumped it after a year and was glad it was gone. Very sad as a long time fan.
Now they're making excellent products again, worth of the "Acura name". BUT:
It'll probably take another 10 years of good performance by them to lure me back into a dealership.
There are multiple GM discussions for talking about Pontiac products, and whether GM products built in France are of good/bad quality.
Mon loup-garou est grand, mais il est aimable. N'ayez pas peur.
Thank you.
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Nahh, GM is just supplying low quality trany's to BMW.
Mon loup-garou est grand, mais il est aimable. N'ayez pas peur.
Errr, could you translate for those of us who are uneducated.
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just continuing the "french" theme, that's all.
Nice to see the 89% first-quarter sales growth in Europe - WTG, Cadillac!
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Guess what, who really cares.
So um... yeah...
Why is it that GM/Ford made this tranny but didn't allow it to be the shiftable kind? I like the Idea of GM and Ford working together on that issue. Both were still in the stoneage with cavemen (sorry geico...) wen compared to a company offering Twice that(Lexus 8A) or almost twice that(Mercedes 7A).
-Cj
GM just doesn't get it when it comes to having a good interior. Look at how they ruined the interior on the 2007 and previous models of the Cadillac CTS. Cadillac is supposed to be their flagship luxury brand and they put interior like that in it???????
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May I suggest that you watch your tone of voice? You made some good points in your earlier posts, but now you're getting shrill. It's tacky to call another poster stupid.
Don't lose your composure. Remember that we're only discussing cars here - not the really important stuff like books, movies & good Scotch.
Why isn't it a personal issue, if a car company produces machines with known defects that will just end up costing the consumer hoardes of money that they otherwise wouldn't have had to spend?
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If I were to buy a Toyota and had the so called problems that you had (Yes, read the Toyota forums for the complaints), I surely wouldn't be going to their forum crying foul and taking personal issue with the company. Based on your commentary I bet if this happened to your Toyota you would probably buy one again without jumping ship.
For instance, compare a Grand Prix to a LaCrosse. Roughly the same size, and the LaCrosse has the same 3.8L engine for the base model. But the interior and components all over the car are easily twice as good/the better stuff from the supplier(GMC is also this way - the better QCd stuff is put into them first). It's a solid car for the price.
The poor Grand Prix base (rental) model isn't worthy to shine the LaCrosse's rims it's such a chasm between the two. And, no, unfortunately, GM only builds quality into its upper-end vehicles. Such is life. Ford is also this way - some dars are utter toads and others are world-class. But gerenally, you do twice as well with the top-end models.
Why are GM's budget cars so much worse than a budget car from Honda or Toyota??
What's really frustrating about this, is at that time I wanted to rent a Cadillac STS, but there were none available. I was at an airport. ( The place to go for the best selection)
And please explain to me why it seems that no where on the planet is there a Cadillac CTS to rent?????
Have you ever noticed that the vehicles they have at rental car agencies are the vehicles that people aren't buying?
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Wow. Mediapusher, you need to stop renting ultra-budget stripped car, you should loko at some of the other offeriengs.
For instance, compare a Grand Prix to a LaCrosse. Roughly the same size, and the LaCrosse has the same 3.8L engine for the base model. But the interior and components all over the car are easily twice as good/the better stuff from the supplier(GMC is also this way - the better QCd stuff is put into them first). It's a solid car for the price.
The poor Grand Prix base (rental) model isn't worthy to shine the LaCrosse's rims it's such a chasm between the two. And, no, unfortunately, GM only builds quality into its upper-end vehicles. Such is life. Ford is also this way - some dars are utter toads and others are world-class. But gerenally, you do twice as well with the top-end models.
The better GM cars are almost NEVER sold to rental fleets in addition. It is frustrating that you can't get one to drive for an extended period. Yes, almost nobody buys them new because they are made solely for rental fleets. If you buy one, well, it's of course going to feel like a rental car.
OTOH, they make excellent used buys. A Grand Prix for $12-13K a year old blows the doors off of something like a Yaris. So there is a small "it's relative" point to this as well.
-Cj”
Um.
Perhaps you are referring to the FWD 6 speed automatic trans.?
The 6L50 & the 6L80 ( as in my Corvette ) are manually ‘shiftable’ – in the case of the Corvette via steering wheel mounted paddles . . .
- Ray
Happily shifting my manumatic . . .
Face it, you are biased and no matter what Cadillac offered you would say it was inferior. Just your opinion not shared by all the posters on this thread.
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If you think that all SUVs handle poorly. That a Corolla is superior in any way. Do yourself a favor so your lack of knowledge does not come out so glaringly. Go drive a new Escalade, GL450 or X5 BMW. Not much that Toyota builds is even close. A close friend has both a 7 series and an X5. He likes driving the X5 much better. SUVs have come a ways since the Bronco II days.
I wasn't trying to be specific in regards to Cadillac not offering some models for rental fleets, however I must say it's frustrating not to be able to test drive one, cause car dealers don't want to talk to you unless you're going to buy something, so I doubt if they'd let me test drive one of their Cadillacs.
And you're right. I don't like big vehicles so I doubt if I would like driving an Escalade. It's not my lack of knowledge, it's your lack of understanding as to what my preferences are.
Can't you express your ideas without insulting another poster? Wouldn't it be enough to say simply that you don't care for the interior of the current CTS & leave it at that?
When you resort to insults, you give others the impression that you lack confidence in your verbal skills & that you don't know any other way to drive your points home.
I happen to agree with much of what you've written, but I'm turned off by your needlessly confrontational writing style. You'll be embarrassed when you reread some of your posts a year from now.
(And frustrated English professor that I am, I can't resist pointing out that when you use the possessive form of the pronoun "it", you must never use an apostrophe. Thus, you should write "holds its value" - not "holds it's value".)
Have you gone to a Cadillac dealer for a test drive? I have and was given the royal treatment and access to any vehicle to drive. I was in levis and T-shirt so I did not look all that prosperous. By contrast I walked around two Toyota dealers, sat in several models without ever having anyone say Hi how are ya. I got the same treatment at Mercedes and BMW. The Acura dealer had a salesman right there that was very knowledgeable and friendly. Just did not like the looks or the seats in the new MDX.
Interiors for me start with how comfortable the seats are. The less fake wood and especially brushed aluminum the better as far as I am concerned. I am more concerned how it handles our rough freeways and how well it will hold up driving down a sandy wash in the Borrego Desert.
I know you do not like any SUV. You made the statement that they all handle poorly. That is just not so.
Very true.
In fact, I see that the ( now relative few, near where I live ) left over NEW 2006s carry an $8,000 rebate. Meaning I expect that one could negotiate $12K or more off MSRP, if specific color & exact equipment are not absolutely paramount.
[[ I have not tried – so that number is speculation. ]]
But a new, $62K STS V8 for something like $50K would seem a reasonable price. To me. And at this time next year I ( fearlessly ) predict that 2007s will carry the same sort of “$$s on the hood”.
So – if you can wait . . .
- Ray
Certain that my 2007 has depreciated a whole bunch, the moment I cleared the dealer’s lot. And so be it.
That is the price we pay for being first owner. Anyone think they can buy a new Lexus and get any better trade-in after a year is dreaming. I know folks that have tried. It just does not work that way. You may do OK on a private sale. Not a trade-in. Friend bought a new ES300 decided a year later he wanted an RX300. Guess what he got the shaft.
If there was anything I didn't like is that the CTS used the same foot-operated parking brake as my girlfriend's LaCrosse. It's not that it was foot-operated that I hated, but that it didn't automatically release when the car was shifeted into gear as it does on every Cadillac I've owned since my 1975 Sedan DeVille.
Now, the 2008 CTS...Holy smoke! I better put my checkbook in a safe and dump it in the Delaware River so I don't impulsively run out and buy one when it appears. My mine in Passion Red!
or need one
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I will feel the same way. Lemko, do you get car magazines pal ? Car and Driver, sent me a e-mail on the 09 CTS-V, that got my blood pumping. That's the car that I will have a very hard saying NO too. It is indeed coming out in the fall of 2008. Since this will be the car I will most likely buy as my next new one
(depending on sticker price's :sick:) I will have plenty of time I hope to learn about specific details and then go put my order in at the Cadillac dealership. :shades:
Rocky
P.S. lemko, check your e-mail..
I guess you don't know me very well !!!!
just kidding :P
Rocky
The previous model always said to me: "We're trying, we're almost there..." This car, with the entire interior made by INTEIR Corporation, said something different, even though it was on the same bodyshell. Cadillac is not afraid anymore to be compared with the next guy on the block.
...and they have put investment dollars back into the brand in a way that is sadly lacking at Lincoln and Imperial. (Yes, I know there IS NO Imperial, yet). The slow march of Cadillac back into the top ranks of the luxury market is well proved by their committment to build serious cars again, testing at Nurburgring and the Wixom Performance Engine Plant building blue-printed engines. From this facility will come the production version of the V12.
Mr. Lutz might throw cautious words to the winds about the future of RWD autos, but that does not preclude that Cadillac can pull off what they did in 1930...introducing a top rank automobile that caused all the competition to take note. Yet the bottom line is that as Cadillac increases its capital expenditures on the brand, over a long period of time, buyers will come back for a look see. If they like what they see and feel behind the wheel, they'll be tempted to turn the key and go for a drive. At best, Cadillac has one or two minutes to convince a would-be buyer who has lived behind the wheel of the competition to switch. So the very first impressions matter.
Yes, Cadillac is poised to give its long time competitors a run for the money, and reward long suffering buyers of something far better from the brand. Look at the dual strategy that GM is playing in Shanghai and China---building market specific cars to meet the demands of the consumer. They are learning how to play the game again.
I, for one, am NOT a long time Cadillac owner, but have spent a lifetime buying luxury cars, having driven 1 million plus miles in them in three decades, so this little DTS impressed me in so far as I was not disappointed with it, and thought they had done their homework. Not bad for a revamp: they fixed all the mistakes from the previous model and delivered a better chassis to boot. Yes, but Cadillac has to keep on this track or it will be game, set, and match---if they seriously want to represent our nation on the road at the top rank.
DouglasR
I hope Cadillac gets this one right. It should only be up from this point on.
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Now, the 2008 CTS...Holy smoke! I better put my checkbook in a safe and dump it in the Delaware River so I don't impulsively run out and buy one when it appears. My mine in Passion Red!
Mine will pretty much no doubt be a 09' CTS-V, unless the RWD Velite Convertible does make an appearance. I guess I can drive a CTS-V for a few years and then sell it for a Velite Convertible if it shows ?
Rocky
That is true but on a brand new MY car like the 08' CTS it can give you a distinct advantage. Well that has been my experience as you can stay a head of depreciation. Especially with trucks. You are correct the GM, discount isn't what it once was. :sick: It went from a across the board 18-19% off MSRP, to around 12-15% off. I don't doubt it for a momment that your friends story is correct. I can on certain models fly to Dallas, where their is real competition and buy a car like a Cadillac DTS, and save several thousands more than what my GM, discount would give me.
Rocky
Rocky
Now 62, what do you think should be next on the agenda for Cadillac ?
Rocky
...so now that GM may well end up #2 worldwide by the end of 2007, Mr. Lutz needs to step up his plans for Cadillac and Buick. He won't sell that many V12 Cadillacs, but that is not the point, it is a halo car that Cadillac will need to regain its stature, and bring GM back to the forefront, while enhancing the baseline models that carry the day.
...the bells are tolling at Ford Motor, Lincoln is languishing at the hands of William C. Ford Jr., while the new Volvo based Mark S show-car nears production, it can't represent America as a top-rank American luxury car just yet, Mr. Kuzak has much work to do to make that happen. Rumor has it that Imperial has been "green lighted" at the hands of Mr. Klegon...which can't arrive soon enough, especially with Chrysler selling half its cars to rental fleets, and its German stockholders demanding the offloading of Chrysler.
...so it falls to the "Standard of the World" to become so again.
DouglasR
It doesn't need to.
It has a driver with enough intelligence to park it much more quickly than an automated system that sometimes works and takes 90 seconds. :mad:
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