Them Dodge Ram ones be lastin long and workin hard for sure. Them ones can be put too workin that farm, no troubles with them ones for sure! Good luck on this one now!
I have been watching these discussions for a few weeks now, and I must say I am amused - especially by justtheone. Since I am a yuppie, blessed with steady income, a sound investment portfolio, and years and years of "fancy booklearnin'" I decided to retire my old truck (a little Nissan), and purchase a larger truck that will hold kids, dogs, camping gear, mountain bikes, golf clubs etc... and will climb the Sierra mountains with ease. When considering make, I chose Toyota because the two Ford vehicles I had previously owned constantly had minor mechanical issues, and they were the reason I switched to Nissan. The Nisssan was quite reliable, hence, I came to trust the Japanese manufacturers, and while I understand that American manufacturers build excellent trucks, the shine of the Tundra really caught my eye. Further, my golfing buddy Lance bought one, and I want to keep up with him - after all it is material competition that drives us yuppies. I plan to use my Tundra strictly for leisure activities - skiing and camping trips to Tahoe, and wine-sipping retreats to the family ranch in the Napa Valley. I rarely plan on towing, maybe a u-haul or some firewood from the ranch or mountains, but in my opinion, towing is generally associated as a proletariat activity, and I don't really want to dirty my hands with manual labor. I leave that to the farmers and workers of the world, (most of whom I have great respect for) but I'll get to that later. I considered a Chevy due to the superior cab-room, but basically it came down to aesthetics - I thought the Tundra looked better (the Steve Young Tundra commercial was also very funny). Plus, the leather seats and fake wood will contrast nicely with the paint I chose. My only real regret is that my Tundra will be parked outside, and will therefore be subjected to the elements. I'll have to get a cover. I know little, if anything about automobiles or engines, nor do I care to learn. My boarding school didn't offer shop class; I always thought a "pumpkin" was a squash. If the truck breaks down, I just use my cell phone to call AAA. I suppose this means I'll be at the mercy of mechanics; so be it - mechanics are entitled to make a living off guys like me - I accept the risk - just like the migrants who accepted the risk of packing all their stuff into a truck and heading off to California in the 30's. Speaking of migrants, I noticed that justtheone reads a lot like one of the Joads, the family central to Steinbeck's great novel, The Grapes of Wrath. Like Al Joad, justtheone seems to be a farmer, is certainly versed in the science of the combustible engine, is master of the homespun aphorism and seems to have a distrust/contempt for those with shiny things. Well, justtheone, I suppose you'll soon be ridiculing me for my choice in trucks; after all the "Lexus" name on the engine I know nothing about was a real selling point. But before you comment, let me just say one thing. While you're carrying sticks or hay or whatever else you slog out to the bed of your, shineless, manure and mud spreckled domestic "full-sized" truck (like I really have time to quibble over the definition of full-sized - BFD, so my truck is "3/4" sized, it meets my needs)and trying to think of a way to make the payment on your farm so the bank doesn't take it, making that feces-caked piece of junk your freaking HOME, I am using my intellect and ingenuity (American ingenuity) to insure that in the unlikely event my Japanese truck does end up being a piece of garbage, I will have the financial security to replace the darn thing. Now go back to your Dukes of Hazzard re-runs on the Nashville Network; I'm sure you'll be posting of picture of good ol' Crazy Cooter's truck with the caption, "the next yuppie trend."
Oh, and one more thing. That Michael Schumacher certainly can drive. I wonder how he would fare on the NASCAR circuit.
Still no reply on them chevy engineering wizards and their defective designs. That's just what I've come to expect from libbey end her twinkie chasers. Got that Chevy crowd all worked up and salivatin' over your twinkie. They be just a' slobberin' an droolin' like the old mule what be worked too hard! Good luck on splainin' away them design defects now! Can't be learnin' you elderly woman nothin', best to teach the young yuppies while they still willing to learn the facts about reliability and quality.
Hey watch what you say about the dukes of hazzard. That was the show back in the day. I took afternoon kindergarden just so i could watch it in the morning.
What yr did u have the fords? Seems like a long time ago you know changes are made and things are improved right?
I didn't see any of that greasy waxy coating on the Toyota, Fords or Dodges, only Chev. It's not undercoating either. Undercouting has a thick rubbery texture and doesn't smear. It's on that hydoformed(means the metal was shaped with water pressure) Silverado frame. The edges that didn't get a good coat of it was started up with rust. I agree a little surface rust on the underside components is to expected after a few years on salted roads, but brand new trucks sitting on dealer lots is ridiculous. The rust was starting to pit the metal. You better get after it with some black rustoleum paint before it gets to advanced to stop.
Come on over and we'll go 4 wheelin'! Sorry I don't have a 6 horse trailer to pull Took the tundra through some awesome trails the other day. Darn, jagged lava beds took a little chunk out of my front tire!
You Chevy apologists forget I currently own the best quality GM product produced....A Saturn (inherited from my wife). I know how much GM parts cost compared to Toyota and the kind of design GM turns out. Replaced the fuel filter...$47.00(that was the cheapest price I found!) and you have to have a special tool to disconnect it. It's the same type connection used in all chev vehicles. Designed to make working on your car harder. Chevy loves using lots of nonstandard fittings, making sure they don't lose money on repairs to the DIY crowd. The quality of the Saturn is a little better than typical GM junk, but after their Toyota mentors left, the Saturn management went back to their old GM style. Slapping em' together and callin' it good enough for Bubba! I get excellent gas mileage when the engine isn't approaching red line on the temp scale sitting at stop lights(GM says it's normal of course). I know you don't own a Toyota Kyle, so your opinions on them mean little (come to think of it...they mean nothing!)
Here is an article from Trailer Life magazine. They used a Tundra Limited tow tow a 6300 lb. trailer through the Sierra Nevadas in mid summer. They climbed 9000 ft. http://www.trailerlife.com/test/0002tundra.cfm
They were impressed with the towing ability of the Tundra.
Folks best quit refferin too them magazine tells on them limited ones and be refferin too them owner manuals on em. It be spelled out for em plainly, so even them yuppies can get it. Them limited ones cant haul nothin over 2000 pounds without keepin that speed under 45mph and without them assistin bars for sure! So much for that haul on them "full size" trucks now!
Now since even them owners manual of them limited ones be spellin out that lack of haul, what be that point of them "Da Runt" ones now? Fad chasin! Yep, them ones was built for them yuppies reachin for that fad. Read them owner manuals, look too them factory hints, there aint no "haul" in them tundras for sure! Get ya a big3 one if ya goin work em, if chasin that fad, them limited ones will do it for ya. Facts is facts, stop twistin them facts yuppies! Good luck on this one now!
If them limited ones cant haul nothin over 2000 pounds without them assistin bars, and even with them assistin bars they gotta keep that load slow, is these ones explainin why ya cant be gettin that factory hitch on them ones? What be the point of that hitch on them ones, with them restrictin factory rules and such? And if they aint got no haul in em, what be the point of them ones at all? Only that factory got the knowin on this mystery now. Good luck on this one now!
rwell... what was that...four posts all right quick. take that twinkie out of your mouth, it's startin' to cut off that oxygen to your brain. are you guys ever going to come up with something original, or just keep using my lines? shoot rob, you even copy justtheone's hick-like writing style because you think it's funny. every single one of you bashes on justtheone...and i can't recall a post where he directed anything at any of ya'll personally. translation: i'm not apologizing for him...i'm laughing at you.
reference the "complexity" of gm repairs: "...Designed to make working on your car harder. Chevy loves using lots of nonstandard fittings, making sure they don't lose money on repairs to the DIY crowd..."
that's funny, cuz i think the only tool i use when i perform routine maintenance on my 'rado is a 15mm socket. that removes the brush guard, drops oil pan drain plug, checks the front axle, the diff, and the empty ratchet pulls the rear diff check plug. only other stuff i use is a filter wrench and a grease gun. oops...forgot...a funnel cuz my hands aren't steady enough to pour oil into a 1.5 inch diameter hole. matter of fact, if i remember right, 15mm was the size of the lower bolts on top and bottom of my rear shocks, and the bottom of the fronts. oh, and the cab bolts (when i mounted my nerfs), those were 15mm if i recall. doh! you got me...the bug guard i got for my hood did not attach with 15mm self-tapping screws. damn gm! i see what you mean now.
as for your ludicrous comparison of a saturn to a chevy truck: "I know you don't own a Toyota Kyle, so your opinions on them mean little (come to think of it...they mean nothing!)" since i owned a nissan altima prior to buying my wife her jimmy, i s'pose i am fit to comment on the complexity of toyotas right? i mean saturn and chevy are owned by gm...nissan and toyota are japanese...same same? LOL! you're a joke. tell me how much fun it is having to suspend yourself in mid-air to reach your sideways mounted oil filter because toyota's top-notch engineers don't understand the concept of user-friendly. in the vertical plane, they mounted it about halfway between the top opening of the hood and your front axle right? perfectly hard to get to? i'd give a buck to your penny that you spend more on repairs than i do over the life of your truck.
that rust was "pitting"? please. get over it rob, you bought an inferior truck and nothing you do (outside of trading it) is going to make it any better for ya.
the toyota filter is sideways????????????? Are you serious? Hmmm seems like that was designed so people couldnt do their own oil changes and had to take it in which equals more revenue for toyota.
I can vouch for the 15mm socket use. Only tool besides the filter wrench i have used.
You wanna talk complex i couldnt find the lever to open the hood on my grandpas camry. Toyota hid the damn thing.
I can say one thing about toyota. Over the past 10-12 yrs their quality is really slipping.
My Grandpa has had 5 camrys from 80 something till current. The first 3 were perfectly fine. The last 2 a 96 and 00 have had problems (timing belt, alignment,Vibrations on the 2000, plastic pieces breaking off i broke the ash tray opening it).
Dont tell me toyotas quality is so much better than any of the big 3
Most Wanted 2001 Trucks Provided by Edmunds.com Small Pickup Ford Ranger Large Pickup GMC Sierra Crew Cab Pickup Dodge Dakota Small SUV Mazda Tribute Midsize SUV Nissan Pathfinder Large SUV Chevrolet Suburban Specialty SUV Jeep Wrangler Luxury SUV - Over $40,000 Lexus LX 470 Small Van Honda Odyssey Large Van Ford Econoline
We have a bunch of snow on the ground that is melting now. I am washing my truck tomorrow i dont care if its snowing or its sunny out. My truck is a grey looking color from the salt.
Symptoms include lack of towing experience, a heavy dependence on Petersen Publishing, Consumer Reports, compulsive micro-comparisons, crawling under Chevys, seeking out scratches in the frame wax coating, or any flaw that seeks to mitigate a long term payment book, short penis complex.
Michael Schumacher, and his dirty "chop blocks" would net him in the fence in Nascar. Jeff Gordon, Earnhardt, Jarret, Labonte would kick his butt. Open wheelers can't make it in resrtictor plate racing. The reverse is true also. Juan Montoya will go the way of Alex (Alesandro!) Zanardi in F1.
Have you seen the people who watch NASCAR? Why would any respectable Car company associate with that scene? Don't see any Mercedes, BMW's, Audi's or Porsches in Nascar. Guess those Germans can't make quality cars like them UAW boys at GM!!
Nascar=lap after lap of boredom. That's why everybody drinks to have a good time there.
Sure, I'll play Batman if you play Robin. We'll get Quadrunner to be the Penguin Justtheone can be the Riddler, Kyle can be Commisioner Gorden, Ryanbab can be Batgirl, Ratboy can be Catwoman. Any others you can think of....?
seriously... "Kyle says rust is normal and all trucks have a little rust on the framework. Apparently, you have a defect!" that's a lie. i never said it was "normal". i never said "all trucks", and i never said "framework" - as it pertains to rust anyways. apparently...you are a defect.
With that haul limit of 2000 lbs on them ones without them helper bars, and that top speed restricted too 45mph, ya sure aint goin see too many of them ones bein worked now. What good is them ones if ya cant work em now? Toy for the yuppie, that be what them ones are for sure. Be glad when them yuppies is off chasin that next fad now. Good luck on this one now!
What is that word "tundra" secretly spellin now? What is that factory hintin at? Give up? That answer too that riddle be: "Da Runt"! Hows that for a riddle now? Guessin them yuppies aint figured this one out yet, as them ones still be chasin em. Must be that shine blindin the truth on em. Good luck on this one now!
Rwell i totally lost what little respect i had for you. Why when your beat do you have to go to personal attacks? Just shows what kinda person you are.
Im done in here. I am so disgusted its not even funny.
This be the way of that yuppie. They be stampin them feet and holdin that breath, tryin too change them facts. Best stick round here, and keep them truths comin for them folks who aint been tricked yet! There be lots of folks who just be readin these here forums, gleanin that truth from folks like ya self now. Keep postin them truths and dont let them ones who been tricked get ya disgusted. There aint no helpin them ones, but there be others out there needin too be hearin that truth for sure. Keep postin them facts. Good luck on this one now!
Sorry if you didn't like being Catwoman. Your fiesty posts and the Rat/Cat relationship led to that selection. However, I hear the batgirl role is now vacant due to Ryan's stagefright.
Now that them truths on that 2000 lbs limit, and that top haul speed of 45mph be comin out, wonder how many folks feel that sting? Bet that factory sure didnt let them ones know when they was buyin em now! It be that tacoma pumpkins and trannies that be the cause of them limitations now. Ya just cant be puttin them little parts on them limited ones and expectin nothin else. Make room t100 ones, here come them tundras! This be the way with them forien ones now, and that just be the fact on that. Good luck on this one now!
I think it was ModV that said a little rust was normal and didn't present a problem. I agree with him...it's not a big deal unless it progresses. I'm sorry I mistankenly attributed his level-headed post to you, kyle. I keep forgetting that "your" Silverado is the product of the gods, void of flaw, defect or blemish. Come on, get off your high horse, Kylee!!
Ryan, If your still lurking out there, please come back and play. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, I was just teasin'. If you come back, I'll let you be Robin!!!
Quad "Symptoms include lack of towing experience, aheavy dependence on Petersen Publishing, Consumer Reports, compulsive micro-comparisons, crawling under Chevys, seeking out scratches in the frame wax coating, or any flaw that seeks to mitigate a long term payment book, short penis complex."
How did you come up with the "short penis complex"? Have you been doing research?
Looks like you might have some competition for the Robin part from Ryan!! Justtheone will make an excellent riddler! Quad is a shoe-in for the Penquin.
Oh no! I just realized Batman uses Onstar. That's a GM program!!!!
Remember the Silverado is 2 1/2 inches wider than the Tundra. Quad is always making a big deal over that fact! Seems he thinks 2.5" is a really big deal, something to get excited about! He's probably been told that 2 1/2 inches is long from some sympathetic woman trying to get her money and not to hurt his feelings.
Here is something to shoot for! This time next week all of you will collect 400 posts after this one. I have to travel and miss the fun of all of you yelling at each other.
I will be going by Charleston along the way. I will see if rubletoo is hitchiking nearby. He has to because he doesn't have a truck or a car for that matter.
I will try to notice who's hauling and towing along the way to basically see if any 1/2 ton truck is doing the job. Those 250's, 350's, 2500's, etc do NOT count.
Well at least i will be the 80's next week and out of winter temporarily.
Guessin aint too many folk goin work one that cant haul more than 2000 lbs and 45 mph now. This could be explainin that mystery on them folks never workin them forien ones now. Good luck on this one now!
People been posting their tells plenty on them hilux ones. Got almost 400K on mine. Some like to turn a blind eye to the truth now, start to name calling and labeling Toyota owners. Truth is some of them GM's last awhile, but most them Toyota trucks last through a lot of hard miles. This is a fact! No one denies this, except a few who can't swallow their pride long enough to acknowledge the whole truth. God bless the UAW folk for supportin' V.P. Gore He got the backin' of them union folk for sure. Looks like more cuts in my paycheck if he steals this one away.
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Since I am a yuppie, blessed with steady income, a sound investment portfolio, and years and years of "fancy booklearnin'" I decided to retire my old truck (a little Nissan), and purchase a larger truck that will hold kids, dogs, camping gear, mountain bikes, golf clubs etc... and will climb the Sierra mountains with ease. When considering make, I chose Toyota because the two Ford vehicles I had previously owned constantly had minor mechanical issues, and they were the reason I switched to Nissan. The Nisssan was quite reliable, hence, I came to trust the Japanese manufacturers, and while I understand that American manufacturers build excellent trucks, the shine of the Tundra really caught my eye. Further, my golfing buddy Lance bought one, and I want to keep up with him - after all it is material competition that drives us yuppies.
I plan to use my Tundra strictly for leisure activities - skiing and camping trips to Tahoe, and wine-sipping retreats to the family ranch in the Napa Valley. I rarely plan on towing, maybe a u-haul or some firewood from the ranch or mountains, but in my opinion, towing is generally associated as a proletariat activity, and I don't really want to dirty my hands with manual labor. I leave that to the farmers and workers of the world, (most of whom I have great respect for) but I'll get to that later.
I considered a Chevy due to the superior cab-room, but basically it came down to aesthetics - I thought the Tundra looked better (the Steve Young Tundra commercial was also very funny). Plus, the leather seats and fake wood will contrast nicely with the paint I chose. My only real regret is that my Tundra will be parked outside, and will therefore be subjected to the elements. I'll have to get a cover.
I know little, if anything about automobiles or engines, nor do I care to learn. My boarding school didn't offer shop class; I always thought a "pumpkin" was a squash. If the truck breaks down, I just use my cell phone to call AAA. I suppose this means I'll be at the mercy of mechanics; so be it - mechanics are entitled to make a living off guys like me - I accept the risk - just like the migrants who accepted the risk of packing all their stuff into a truck and heading off to California in the 30's.
Speaking of migrants, I noticed that justtheone reads a lot like one of the Joads, the family central to Steinbeck's great novel, The Grapes of Wrath. Like Al Joad, justtheone seems to be a farmer, is certainly versed in the science of the combustible engine, is master of the homespun aphorism and seems to have a distrust/contempt for those with shiny things.
Well, justtheone, I suppose you'll soon be ridiculing me for my choice in trucks; after all the "Lexus" name on the engine I know nothing about was a real selling point. But before you comment, let me just say one thing. While you're carrying sticks or hay or whatever else you slog out to the bed of your, shineless, manure and mud spreckled domestic "full-sized" truck (like I really have time to quibble over the definition of full-sized - BFD, so my truck is "3/4" sized, it meets my needs)and trying to think of a way to make the payment on your farm so the bank doesn't take it, making that feces-caked piece of junk your freaking HOME, I am using my intellect and ingenuity (American ingenuity) to insure that in the unlikely event my Japanese truck does end up being a piece of garbage, I will have the financial security to replace the darn thing. Now go back to your Dukes of Hazzard re-runs on the Nashville Network; I'm sure you'll be posting of picture of good ol' Crazy Cooter's truck with the caption, "the next yuppie trend."
Oh, and one more thing. That Michael Schumacher certainly can drive. I wonder how he would fare on the NASCAR circuit.
What yr did u have the fords? Seems like a long time ago you know changes are made and things are improved right?
Ryan
We need to get everyones trucks together and put em to the test. AN ACTUAL test. Bet they wouldnt even show up
Ryan
They were impressed with the towing ability of the Tundra.
Ryan
what was that...four posts all right quick. take that twinkie out of your mouth, it's startin' to cut off that oxygen to your brain.
reference the "complexity" of gm repairs:
"...Designed to make working on your car harder. Chevy loves using lots of nonstandard fittings, making sure they don't lose money on repairs to the DIY crowd..."
that's funny, cuz i think the only tool i use when i perform routine maintenance on my 'rado is a 15mm socket. that removes the brush guard, drops oil pan drain plug, checks the front axle, the diff, and the empty ratchet pulls the rear diff check plug. only other stuff i use is a filter wrench and a grease gun. oops...forgot...a funnel cuz my hands aren't steady enough to pour oil into a 1.5 inch diameter hole. matter of fact, if i remember right, 15mm was the size of the lower bolts on top and bottom of my rear shocks, and the bottom of the fronts. oh, and the cab bolts (when i mounted my nerfs), those were 15mm if i recall. doh! you got me...the bug guard i got for my hood did not attach with 15mm self-tapping screws. damn gm! i see what you mean now.
as for your ludicrous comparison of a saturn to a chevy truck:
"I know you don't own a Toyota Kyle, so your opinions on them mean little (come to think of it...they mean nothing!)"
since i owned a nissan altima prior to buying my wife her jimmy, i s'pose i am fit to comment on the complexity of toyotas right? i mean saturn and chevy are owned by gm...nissan and toyota are japanese...same same? LOL! you're a joke. tell me how much fun it is having to suspend yourself in mid-air to reach your sideways mounted oil filter because toyota's top-notch engineers don't understand the concept of user-friendly. in the vertical plane, they mounted it about halfway between the top opening of the hood and your front axle right? perfectly hard to get to? i'd give a buck to your penny that you spend more on repairs than i do over the life of your truck.
that rust was "pitting"? please. get over it rob, you bought an inferior truck and nothing you do (outside of trading it) is going to make it any better for ya.
bco
I can vouch for the 15mm socket use. Only tool besides the filter wrench i have used.
Ryan
I can say one thing about toyota. Over the past 10-12 yrs their quality is really slipping.
My Grandpa has had 5 camrys from 80 something till current. The first 3 were perfectly fine. The last 2 a 96 and 00 have had problems (timing belt, alignment,Vibrations on the 2000, plastic pieces breaking off i broke the ash tray opening it).
Dont tell me toyotas quality is so much better than any of the big 3
Ryan
Small Pickup Ford Ranger
Large Pickup GMC Sierra
Crew Cab Pickup Dodge Dakota
Small SUV Mazda Tribute
Midsize SUV Nissan Pathfinder
Large SUV Chevrolet Suburban
Specialty SUV Jeep Wrangler
Luxury SUV - Over $40,000 Lexus LX 470
Small Van Honda Odyssey
Large Van Ford Econoline
2000 MOST WANTED PICKUP WAS THE f150
Wheres that tundra at?
Ryan
damn not one Toyota on the list... well there's that over priced brand that they put over the t-o-y-o-t-a letters
Ryan
We have a bunch of snow on the ground that is melting now. I am washing my truck tomorrow i dont care if its snowing or its sunny out. My truck is a grey looking color from the salt.
Ryan
DOHH
- Tim
Nascar=lap after lap of boredom. That's why everybody drinks to have a good time there.
I forgot....Tundra fans play batman with hang gliders and the likes..
LOL
- Tim
Davis Straub just flew 347 miles in Texas, beating the world record by 39 miles.
"Kyle says rust is normal and all trucks have a
little rust on the framework. Apparently, you have
a defect!"
that's a lie. i never said it was "normal". i never said "all trucks", and i never said "framework" - as it pertains to rust anyways. apparently...you are a defect.
the commish
Im done in here. I am so disgusted its not even funny.
Ryan
and I don't think Ryan liked being Batgirl!!?
LOL
- Tim
If your still lurking out there, please come back and play. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, I was just teasin'. If you come back, I'll let you be Robin!!!
Yikes!
- Tim
Reports, compulsive micro-comparisons, crawling
under Chevys, seeking out scratches in the frame
wax coating, or any flaw that seeks to mitigate a
long term payment book, short penis complex."
How did you come up with the "short penis complex"? Have you been doing research?
Justtheone will make an excellent riddler!
Quad is a shoe-in for the Penquin.
Oh no! I just realized Batman uses Onstar. That's a GM program!!!!
I will be going by Charleston along the way. I will see if rubletoo is hitchiking nearby. He has to because he doesn't have a truck or a car for that matter.
I will try to notice who's hauling and towing along the way to basically see if any 1/2 ton truck is doing the job. Those 250's, 350's, 2500's, etc do NOT count.
Well at least i will be the 80's next week and out of winter temporarily.