I'm not surprised that the Lancer is selling well, that's a nice looking car. The last generation was looking so dated I would never have bought one. Seems like Mitsu is making some good progress.
They say the Eclipse Spyder is selling well but they don't say anything about the coupe, any word on this? I remember when it first came out they were hoping to sell 5000 a month and only sold about 2500.
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is gonna have to chime in...I've been studying the 4-door sedan market(up until 03/07 that is)so intensely that I no longer research two cars I like, the Hyundai Tiburon and the Mitsubishi Eclipse. I remember looking at photos of the new world order Eclipse with that cool orange paint thinking it looks great, though.
My Lancer GTS is out in the parking lot next to the curb in the "give 'em extra room spot so some dork doesn't swing his door open and hit my Lancer GTS with it" parking slot!
"Yeah mine is Diamond Pearl White. I have a few pics in my carspace" Just visited your carspace. Yep. It's tight! XLS trim? What options did you get; or it maybe easier to list which ones you did not get The white contrast nicely with the factory tints.
I, too, visited your Carspace to see your SUV. Sweet!
That is one unique looking rear on the new world order Outlander. It is slanted like the new Lancer's taillights, yet it has it's own design with a aluminum sash thing going on behind the taillight clusters. Very cool.
And the shot of the dash revealed that Mitsubishi has improved their new Outlander's interior as well as the new Lancer's interior. The new Outlander looks great in that white shade. Excellent.
Mine is the Ls model. Only options are 4WD and the sun and sound package. Actually, the XLS isn't much more money and has fog lights, silver roof rails and door handles and 18" rims instead of my 16". Keyless start and shift paddles,also. I was already pushing the price beyond what I wanted to spend, so we got the LS.
If you don't need the 4WD or other goodies, the base ES is a great deal. For around 20 Grand, basically the same powertrain and interior. No tinted windows and plastic wheel covers, But spend $1500 on aftermarket rims and window tint and you have a sharp budget SUV.
Iluv, the Outlander interior is almost the same as on the Lancer. (same platform I guess.) Every time I see that new Lancer, I like it more. If I needed a new small car, that would be at the top of the list.
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Edmunds Inside Line has some spy shots of the 2008 Accord coupe. I think the 2007 looks better if somewhat plain. On thing that was interesting was that they are talking about 270 hp. for this baby.
I wonder how the Eclipse will do against this new contender? The new Altima coupe has slightly better overall performance but a higher price. As I recall, the Accord can get pretty expensive too.
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I just took a look at those spy shots and I think you're right about Honda not taking any styling risks. Remember the 01-03 Acura CL? The Accord Coupe was Honda's version of it. I test drove several 03 CL Type S versions with a 6 speed manual transmission and they were absolute beast. I think it had around 260 HP as well along with a limited slip differential. It handled extremely well and the torque curve felt relatively flat. This is all my unprofessional opinion, though. I think that if the 08 Accord rides/handles the same or better than the 03 CL, then the Eclipse and Altima Coupe will be battling for second and third place.
As you mentioned, the Eclipse does have price on it's side. And, arguably, is the best looking car of the three. How did you put it earlier -- so many choices, so little money.
my choice in that comparo except I really like the Hyundai Tiburon, too. I am not sure I like the little design changes in the body on the Tiburon the last few years. If I were really interested I'd look further.
But the Eclipse is nice and Mitsubishi and Hyundai are pretty much equal's in Warranty coverage. The Tibby may be just a little less expensive but they are close in price, aren't they?
I love my Lancer GTS so much that if I wanted a coupe I would go with the new Eclipse. Does Mitsu put the CVT auto tranny in the new Eclipse also? I like the name Eclipse too...it's kind of cool.
The latest version of the Tiburon looks much better. I have caught them out of the corner of my eye and thought I was looking at a much more expensive car until I realized that it was a Hyundai. I want not to like it but I have to admit, it's not bad looking.
The one problem I have with the Tiburon is that it is underpowered next to it's competitors. The last time I looked it had a V-6 with only about 170hp. Even though it's lighter than the others I can't see it keeping up with 260hp+ cars like Accord, Altima or Eclipse.
I hear it gets poor gas mileage too.
On the Lancer topic, I think the Lancer would make one nice coupe. They should have built the Eclipse on the Lancer frame. Then again, I can barely fit into the Eclipse as it is. If it was smaller I'd probably have to take the bus.
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as the Global Warming topic increases in intensity. It's good to know that Misubishi is thinking ahead and designing ahead with our Lancer's and Outlander's.
I made an appoinment today for Wednesday to have my Lancer GTS' first L-O-F. I will follow the "severe driving" schedule as my drives to work are only a half of a mile each way. Every logical bit of maintenance must be strictly followed in my cars. It's the rules.
I'm all about following the manufacturer's recommended maintenance as well. Our driving routes allow us to use the normal vs the severe schedule though. I really envy your commute! Let us know what your experience is at the Mitsu dealership on Wednesday.
with LOF news from the Mitsu dealer. This is the first time using this dealer and besides the Phoenix-area dealer we bought the Lancer GTS from it's the only Mitsubishi dealer I've ever been to.
I noticed on Edmunds homepage they had an Eclipse vs. Altima coupe comparison. Kind of lame because all the important performance spec were listed as "being researched".
There was enough data however, to see that both cars are very similar overall. I also called up the Accord coupe and the Pontiac G6 just to round things out.
All these mid-size coupes have similar specs. I guess it all boils down to which one you think looks best.
One thing that I wasn't sure how to interpret was the Single Overhead Cam SOHC vs. Double Overhead Cam DOHC. Which is superior? I have to admit that while I understand the basics of engine operation I have never quite understood the difference.
How about it you gear heads...show me what you got.
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Ah, Oldfarmer, you lay out the challenge and I'm about to stumble through a reply. My understanding is that DOHC engines dedicate one cam to inlet valves and the other to exhaust valves. So compared to a SOHC, a greater amount of fuel mixture can be moved in and exhaust moved out with each stroke. Also, I think that OHC engines allowed Honda to mass produce the variable valve lift enhancements (VTEC) that almost all auto manufactures employ today. I think GM (believe it or not) has applied it's version of VTEC to some push rod engines! So, I think that the DOHC configuration is the superior one. Note, just in case my reply is horribly wrong, I just want yall to know that my mechanical experience is limited to changing brakes, oil, valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, etc.
The cam layout doesn't change the intake or exhaust volume by itself, but DOHC does allow the intake and exhaust valve events to be controlled independently of each other. Just about everyone and their cousin has variable valve timing (VVT) these days, which rotates the cam forward or backward slightly to vary the timing of the valve events (earlier or later) as engine rpm changes. VTEC is a whole different animal: the cam has two lobes for each valve group, one lobe for low-rpm operation and a much lumpier lobe for high-rpm operation.
Yeah I can do that on most cars. It just depends on the vehicle. I can double clutch now too as I was forced to learn how to do it. Our dealership has a antique vehicle with no synchros in first gear.
I was flipping through the cable channels today and came upon the English language version of DW-TV. It so happened that they had a show called "Drive It" which was showcasing many different cars for sale in Germany.
They had a minivan review which included vehicles by Ford, Renault and Mitsubishi. They just couldn't say enough bad stuff about the Mitsu. They called it "wooden" and "too American" (I guess that's bad in Europe).
The kicker though was that after all the bashing, they rated it second among all the others.
Maybe they all work for Consumer Reports. :sick:
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So how does the average Joe make an informed decision when the so called professionals are irrational?
Is DaimlerChrysler (or whatever it calls itself now) pissed at Mitsu for staging a turn around? I wonder just how much influence DaimlerChrysler has over Consumer Reports and "Drive It".
Mitsu may be adding models to the product mix currently featured in North America. The following article indicates that we (US and Canada) may receive the next generation of some of these vehicles. I think the Triton (pickup) and Colt (small car) works for this market. Not sure about the minivan and super mini car. Also, this article says that Mitsu supplies the engines for the Smart mini cars.
I was browsing the Mitsu site and in comparing the 2008 color description with the 2007 I notice they have different names. For example the 2007 lists "Pure Red" while for 2008 they call it "Rave Red".
Does anyone know if there is any real difference or is this just some marketing hack trying to keep his job?
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Had 10 minutes to kill yesterday so I decided to stop by the local Mitsu dealer (Cary NC) to ask your question about color descriptions. My mouth dropped. The dealership isn't there anymore. It's a big used car place now. After closing my mouth, I asked one of the sales persons what happened and he said that the owner (Leith) decided to combine inventories with the Raleigh store. The Raleigh store is like 20 minutes away but I'm rarely in that area. So, long story short, I was disappointed plus I have no answer for your question. Thanks for letting me whine.
Anyone have any info\links on the next generation Galant? I'm loving my new Outlander and I was thinking of looking at the next Galant when it's time to replace my T-bird. (hopefully not for another couple of years.)
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CYPRESS, Calif., July 3, 2007 -- Mitsubishi Motors North America, Inc., (MMNA) today reported June sales of 13,014 units, up 30% over last year's volume and the best June in four years. Calendar year-to-date sales of 70,357 are up 21% compared to last year's first-half total.
"The new Lancer and Outlander are well-received by new customers and current Mitsubishi owners," said President & CEO Hiroshi Harunari. "Going into the summer travel season, our dealers are reporting excellent results from our new fuel-efficient sedan and SUV."
-- Outlander was the volume leader at 3,414, up 63% from last month's volume and up 350% from last year's volume; and up 163% from last year's CYTD volume. -- Lancer closed at 3,091 units up 195% from last year's volume and up 108% from last year's CYTD volume. -- Galant closed at 3,026 units up 17% from last month's volume and up 18% from last year's June volume.
The last figure I saw was for 2006 where they sold 33000 eclipse models. This was a bit of a disappointment for them as Mitsu had hoped to sell 50K a year. I wouldn't be surprised if eclipse sales are down and this is why they didn't report them. Really a shame, the car isn't bad but it gets beat up by the press and on most forums. That can't help sales.
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it's heavy weight and then sluggish takeoffs because of it.
I am one who, if I like a model, I don't care about 0-60 numbers. Having said that, though, this car is supposed to be the sports car coupe that should be able to pick up and move a bit down the road.
Oh, well, with a rig like the new Lancer and the upcoming fresh new EVO X the Eclipse gets overshadowed. I still like the Eclipse but the lack of four doors is what kept me from getting an Eclipse or the Scion tC. I test drove a 2005 Scion tC RS 1.0(bright red paint like my Lancer's)and was impressed by the car. I don't get it when people dis the Scion tC. There's some hardcore Celica supporters who don't like the fact that the tC supplanted the Celica for the new sporty, small Toyota product. Oh well. Good thing that when purchasing a car you don't go by what somebody else likes, eh?
Good sales news for Mitsubishi! Really cool to see this news because Mitsu does make good rigs - everyone here in southern Arizona seems to really dig the new Lancers - they are popular-as they should be. The new Outlander as well.
I was in a large chain bookstore the other day and thought I'd check out one of the latest consumer guide catalogs for 2007 autos. Something I hadn't done for awhile and now I remember why.
The Mitsubishi section was unbelievable! They discussed the 2008 Lancer yet showed a picture of a 2007 Evolution (?) While they generally praised the car they mentioned poor re-sale as a negative. WTH? They couldn't even take the time to get an up to date picture of the car they were reviewing? Same with the Outlander. Yeah it's good but...poor re-sale, awww, what a shame. Don't buy a good vehicle because you might want to sell it later. Is that whats called "expert opinion" nowadays? The picture of the Galant was also at least 2 years old and did not show the revamped front fascia. Granted the vehicle has not changed that much performance wise but they couldn't trouble themselves to update the picture? Besides that, the review for the Galant and the Eclipse were practically word for word identical to their previous review from years past. Apparently they couldn't take the time to actually drive the newer cars before they wrote them up, excuse me, reprinted their old reviews. Plus, at the tail end of every Mitsu review they mention "poor re-sale". I guess actually taking care of your vehicle before you sell or trade it means absolutely nothing. Go ahead and dent all the doors on your Toyota. No one cares because they are so great and everyone will line up to buy it from you! Ever heard of the Dakar Rally? I guaran-damn-tee if Toyota won it then it would be in every one of their reviews. Are reviews for other manufacturers as poorly done? I guess Consumer Guide just slaps a new cover and year on their catalog and sells it as breaking news or something. Call me fussy but this magazine is not worth the paper it's printed on if they can't at least update a freaking picture!
Personally, I think the best way to make an informed decision is to talk to people who own the product or service it at forums like this. I recently test drove a Lancer GTS and thought it was awesome. I drove it and a Galant and will probably purchase one of those next year since the Mivec engine in my 04 Outlander has performed flawlessly.
I'm not knocking Toyota, just using it as an example of how some of this print media review product panders to apparently whatever is accepted as common knowledge.
I understand exactly what you're saying. Mitsu is the butt boy for all the auto mags. If you read back a few posts I mentioned how even German TV was bashing them.
Within the next year I plan on buying a sporty coupe. I've researched Eclipse, Pontiac G6 GTP, Ford Mustang, Nissan Altima and Accord coupe as I feel these cars are most directly comparable. They all have similar weight, power, performance and features according to the reviews. the reviewers always seem to finish their reports with sometimes not so subtle digs at anything Mitsubishi. Maybe there is some difference between models that only comes through when you actually drive them.
In the end this is fine with me. If I decide that the Eclipse is the coupe for me I'll benefit from the lower price caused by the bashing (for 2007 Mitsu had a $2000 rebate on the Eclipse by December).
In the meantime I'll let all the other folks keep buying the higher priced Toyotas and Hondas. Resale value only matters if you trade, I keep cars until the wheels fall off.
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Could you be more specific? I know it's nose heavy (that damn iron block) but the Altima coupe is more so. I know that understeer is a problem but all the front drivers in this class have the same issue. I hear about torque steer but is it worst in the Eclipse than comparable cars? They say it's too heavy and I agree that it should shed 200-300 pounds but if you make it too light the frame will flex and ruin the handling.
What would you revamp if you had the chance? Do any of the cars I mentioned in my previous post put all these things together better than Mitsu?
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hee-hee...your post tickles me 'cause I see what you're saying so clearly. Although I now own a '08 Lancer GTS w/CVT and the Sun and Sound package, I previously owned two new Kia's in a row. Let me start off by saying that the knocks on Kia are not true and I have owned two of them to help prove my belief in this. CR and CD would do Kia exactly as you have described...and not even do a little bit of research and find out something new about the new Kia rig they were reviewing. I lost all respect(actually I never really had any respect for them in the first place!)for CD when I read this bogus information.
BTW-the Kia I'm talking about was the new 2002 Kia Spectra. I researched them and wanted to buy one and eventually bought a 2001 Kia Sportage 4X4. But CR's report on the '02 Spectra showed a picture of a 1998-2001 era Kia Sephia that I base my nickname here on Edmunds on. My first new Kia was a '99 Sephia sedan.
No, I will only read CR at the bookstore if I can't get my paws on any other car magazine. Seriously.
I won't even read about Mitsubishi in CR...I say I won't but I'll probably take a look...what I mean is I'll take everything in there with a big 'ole grain of salt.
Ever heard of the Dakar Rally? I guaran-damn-tee if Toyota won it then it would be in every one of their reviews. Are reviews for other manufacturers as poorly done? I guess Consumer Guide just slaps a new cover and year on their catalog and sells it as breaking news or something. Call me fussy but this magazine is not worth the paper it's printed on if they can't at least update a freaking picture!
I love that! But if it's a dull looking Toyota Corolla or Prius or a Honda Civic they'll talk about it like it's to be put up above all other cars for all eternity. Please get a much more solid grip, CR.
In reality cars are getting closer and closer together in rank for quality. And though Mitsubishi may not be tops in quality or reliability they offer a Warranty that backs their product so nicely. And when it looks like the new '08 Lancer GTS looks it makes it a done deal in my playbook, gentlemen.
It's almost as if the Eclipse has "Chrysler syndrome",that is, there is something totally uninspiring about the way it looks and drives. It's really okay as a "bread and butter" car but if it's supposed to be a sports car, it's about as good as a Sebring in that respect.
"It's almost as if the Eclipse has "Chrysler syndrome",that is, there is something totally uninspiring about the way it looks and drives."
I don;t understand what you mean in that the Eclipse has Chrysler syndrome in the way it looks or drives because afterall the Eclipse is based on the Mitsu project platform. What do you mean the way a Chrysler drives? The Chrysler 300 has gotten good reviews so the 300 can;t dtive that bad.
"It's really okay as a "bread and butter" car but if it's supposed to be a sports car, it's about as good as a Sebring in that respect."
I agree its only a "bread abnd butter" car but it did get better reviews than the last generation Eclipse but only in a slight way though. As for the Eclipse being as good as the Sebring why are we comparing the Eclipse and The Sebring since the Sebring is based on the Mitsu Project America platform? I think its Mitsu;s problem if they are having problem selling Eclipse's I mean afterall I think the new Lancer has more streed cared than the Eclipse right now and I think thats a problem that Mitsu needs to cure asap.
Well, I'm not an expert on sports cars but my sister recently purchased the Eclipse GT and I would say it's a hell of a lot more inspiring then the new Sebring. That thing is one fun ride!
I believe I read recently that Chrysler admitted that the Sebring ( along with the Nitro) were "misses". Apparently the Caliber is still considered a hit. Thank goodness DCX was able to steal enough Mitsu technology to develop it. Good thing for them because it's likely the last time they will ever get to rip Mitsu off. I still think Benz is kicking themselves in the [non-permissible content removed] for holding onto the wrong company.
As far as developing new models I'm guessing that, for financial reasons, Mitsu is probably going to have to take it one model at a time. The Outlander was first at bat because (I'm guessing here) it was already in the pipeline? The Lancer series was next because it is their basic "world" 4 door sedan, plus the Evolution is their halo car. Tell me if I'm wrong here but haven't they been 2 for 2 so far. Throw out the worthless "consumer guide" type reviews and most of the REAL automobile community praises both models. In fact, most of the major mags are constantly talking about the Evolution variants. 5 speed? 6 speed? 300 plus hp? will the Sportback make it to North America? yada..yada..yada.. It's a sure bet that Mitsu won't ever have to make a commercial for the new Evo. They will have to advertise the new U.S. made models eventually, if they want them to sell. They've been pretty upfront about the financial difficulties and how it's affected their marketing strategy though. Again I'm guessing but it seems to me the strategy is to take it one "complete re-vamp" at a time and do it correctly. (It's probably a blessing they don't have to re-do practically every model at once like Ford or GM.) Then they advertise it as intelligently as they can, slowly build up the full line. Try to keep the dealers healthy. I know my local dealer has been selling more Mitsu's now then in the last 2 years. A salesman told me that the only reason overall sales were down from previous years was because Mitsu cut way back on fleet sales. He said actual dealer sales to customers are up quite a bit since this January.
Here's a thought from my rant the other day on how Mitsu is treated by some reviewers -- Is it possible that people feel Mitsu played dirty because they were helped financially by Mitsu Heavy and Mitsu Bank of Tokyo. Some people talk like the Mitsubishi companies are just a "gang" or something, its like they feel it's unfair somehow that MMC can benefit that way - like a kid who gets his dad to buy him his first car when the other kids have to work for them. I guarantee that that is a BS argument. MMC ain't getting money for free from those guys.
Just curious if thats where the bias might come from?
The Mitsu dealer I bought my Outlander from said their sales have been good and improving and they recently opened a larger store.
I do like the fact that I don't see many Outlanders out there. Usually you buy a new car then you notice them everywhere. Seems like everybody has a Rav4 or CRV.
Since the Lancer and Outlander are on the same platform, I wonder if the 3.0 V6 would fit in the Lancer? Too much weight on the front, maybe.
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"...throw out the useless Consumer Guide reviews..."
Funny you should mention that. I was looking at an old issue of "Consumer Guide" which objectively ranked car on a 1-10 scale for a number of factors including acceleration and handling. Eclipse was higher ranked in these areas than about 90% of the other cars. It was rated comparable with some BMW 3 series models among others.
As I've said before, I think the Eclipse was a compromise car. Developed at a time when Mitsu's very existence was in doubt there was no time or money for a top to bottom revamp. They used the Project America platform because it was stiff enough, They used the iron engine block because it was cheap enough and put some MIVEC heads on it to give it better performance.
For what it's worth I think that some of the bashing comes from people who remember the G1 and G2 cars and hate the direction G3 and G4 have gone. Unfortunately, Eclipse is not the same car as it was prior to 2000. Where it used to be comparable to Celica and Miata it is now closer to Altima coupe, Accord coupe or G6 coupe.
Mr. Shiftright said it needed a complete revamp. Was this from a styling point of view or in relation to the actual running gear? Usually cars get a minor refresh mid cycle which for Eclipse is 2009. Does anyone have an opinion on what Mitsu will do (or should do) with the Eclipse at that time?
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Minor refresh - Probably the most effective addition for the least amount of money would be a "Ralliart" version, comparable to whats been done with the Galant. The engine and powertrain could be left alone with a concentration on better handling and maybe some slight weight reduction (thats where most of the griping seems to come from). I would make it a handling and suspension package available on the GS, GT and Spyder variants. The tricky part would be weight reduction since many consumers might consider a Ralliart package to include luxury bonuses like GPS or heated seats. The powerplants would be unchanged for now. Most tuner / gearhead types seem to like their own enhancements anyway, and isn't that supposedly one of Mitsubishi's charms?
I would leave appearance alone unless Mitsu comes up with some Ralliart aero package. I think the Eclipse looks great as is. Whenever my sister goes anywhere she gets tons of compliments and the few times I took it out it attracted lots of attention. Maybe a special Ralliart color scheme?
The reason I would make it available for the GS 4 cyl. variant is because it's a handling package only. We have quite a few GS Eclipses in the area that have been modified already to speed them up. I saw a few at the dealerships that have turbos, custom exhaust etc...Most of those guys can actually beat a stock GT now but they might appreciate a handling package.
Again, on the reviews. Maybe it's just hard for me to imagine some guy testing microwaves or TVs in the morning and then hopping in an automobile to give it an "expert" review. Those people are in the publishing business, not the automobile business. It's pretty obvious from most of their format that it's a numbers game with reviews based on info from dealerships and maybe mailers to consumers. Sure there's going to be some trends that make sense but there has to be a point where implied truths affect outcome. Again, not picking on Toyota but just using them as an example, we have the major news media, for the last 3 years, telling us that Toyota is taking over because they are the best. That constant drumbeat has to affect a large segment of the population eventually. Today, with the knowledge available at sites like these on the net, with the quality of input. Those cut and paste reviews (updated yearly...maybe) just don't cut it imo.
It's not "bias". Even most Mitsubishi dealers don't like the Eclipse and want to see it off the showroom floor. Go ask them, that's what they would tell you if they knew you were not a buyer but a curious future buyer perhaps.
I guess my "Sebring" analogy wasn't a good one---I meant the Sebring in concept, as perceived by buyers...not the literal stats of a Sebring vs. an Eclipse. The Eclipse has zero visibility, and very little effect on reviewers. You could scan 100 road tests and I betcha 95% of them all read the same way "this is a nice little car and is perhaps a reasonable alternative for some buyers who don't like mainstream Japanese sporty cars". In other words....YAWN...
I think the Eclipse is a good car but there's nothing about it that would tempt me to buy one, like say I'd be tempted by a MINI or an S2000 or even a base BMW 325 coupe.
Mitsubishi dealers don't like the Eclipse? Is that your observation? Not to question your experience. Sales for the Eclipse are up H1 2006 vs. H1 2007 overall. If you strip out fleet sales, then yes, sales are down slightly period to period (just over 600 units). I have documentation for the preceding data, let me know and I'll provide the links. Basically, the Eclipse sells OK and adds dealer traffic... I'm just wondering...
"...like say I'd be tempted by a MINI or an S2000 or even a base BMW 325 coupe..."
Of course you're entitled to your choices but those cars are in different classes than Eclipse. The MINI weighs what, 2500 pounds? I could never buy one because I couldn't get into it (and they say Eclipse has a tiny back seat). I like the performance specs on the S2000 but like the 350Z it has a ride that would require new kidneys after each drive. I've never sat in one but I bet my head would stick out the roof.
As for the BMW, I'd like one too but I don't think I could come up with the 40K needed to buy one. Also some of the specs I've seen indicate the Eclipse is as fast and handles as well for 10-15 K less.
Mr. Shiftright, how would you rank the midsize coupe sector? Do you also feel the same way about the Altima coupe? How about the Accord coupe? These are more in line with what the Eclipse has become.
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Well none of those cars is very exciting, are they?
Yes, it's been my observation that Mitsu dealers are not fond of the Eclipse. They want more exciting and appealing product in their showrooms. The Eclipse is old, old news as it sits. Were it not for the EVO, the new upscale Outlander and the new Lancer, those poor dealers would be in a deep funk right now. 2007 saved them from a morbid depression I think.
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I really like the new Outlander SUV, too, and it's sales are up as well.
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They say the Eclipse Spyder is selling well but they don't say anything about the coupe, any word on this? I remember when it first came out they were hoping to sell 5000 a month and only sold about 2500.
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My Lancer GTS is out in the parking lot next to the curb in the "give 'em extra room spot so some dork doesn't swing his door open and hit my Lancer GTS with it" parking slot!
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Sedona came up last month - that whole board could use some fleshing out, so please take a look.
Just visited your carspace. Yep. It's tight! XLS trim? What options did you get; or it maybe easier to list which ones you did not get
The white contrast nicely with the factory tints.
That is one unique looking rear on the new world order Outlander. It is slanted like the new Lancer's taillights, yet it has it's own design with a aluminum sash thing going on behind the taillight clusters. Very cool.
And the shot of the dash revealed that Mitsubishi has improved their new Outlander's interior as well as the new Lancer's interior. The new Outlander looks great in that white shade. Excellent.
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If you don't need the 4WD or other goodies, the base ES is a great deal. For around 20 Grand, basically the same powertrain and interior. No tinted windows and plastic wheel covers, But spend $1500 on aftermarket rims and window tint and you have a sharp budget SUV.
Iluv, the Outlander interior is almost the same as on the Lancer. (same platform I guess.) Every time I see that new Lancer, I like it more. If I needed a new small car, that would be at the top of the list.
I wonder how the Eclipse will do against this new contender? The new Altima coupe has slightly better overall performance but a higher price. As I recall, the Accord can get pretty expensive too.
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As you mentioned, the Eclipse does have price on it's side. And, arguably, is the best looking car of the three. How did you put it earlier -- so many choices, so little money.
But the Eclipse is nice and Mitsubishi and Hyundai are pretty much equal's in Warranty coverage. The Tibby may be just a little less expensive but they are close in price, aren't they?
I love my Lancer GTS so much that if I wanted a coupe I would go with the new Eclipse. Does Mitsu put the CVT auto tranny in the new Eclipse also? I like the name Eclipse too...it's kind of cool.
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The one problem I have with the Tiburon is that it is underpowered next to it's competitors. The last time I looked it had a V-6 with only about 170hp. Even though it's lighter than the others I can't see it keeping up with 260hp+ cars like Accord, Altima or Eclipse.
I hear it gets poor gas mileage too.
On the Lancer topic, I think the Lancer would make one nice coupe. They should have built the Eclipse on the Lancer frame. Then again, I can barely fit into the Eclipse as it is. If it was smaller I'd probably have to take the bus.
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Mitsubishi Motors Spotlights New Environmentally Friendly 2008 Lancer and 2007 Outlander in KABC's Third Annual Clean Air Showcase - http://media.mitsubishicars.com/detail?mid=MIT2007060761480&mime=ASC
I made an appoinment today for Wednesday to have my Lancer GTS' first L-O-F. I will follow the "severe driving" schedule as my drives to work are only a half of a mile each way. Every logical bit of maintenance must be strictly followed in my cars. It's the rules.
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There was enough data however, to see that both cars are very similar overall. I also called up the Accord coupe and the Pontiac G6 just to round things out.
All these mid-size coupes have similar specs. I guess it all boils down to which one you think looks best.
One thing that I wasn't sure how to interpret was the Single Overhead Cam SOHC vs. Double Overhead Cam DOHC. Which is superior? I have to admit that while I understand the basics of engine operation I have never quite understood the difference.
How about it you gear heads...show me what you got.
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So, I think that the DOHC configuration is the superior one. Note, just in case my reply is horribly wrong, I just want yall to know that my mechanical experience is limited to changing brakes, oil, valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, etc.
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They had a minivan review which included vehicles by Ford, Renault and Mitsubishi. They just couldn't say enough bad stuff about the Mitsu. They called it "wooden" and "too American" (I guess that's bad in Europe).
The kicker though was that after all the bashing, they rated it second among all the others.
Maybe they all work for Consumer Reports. :sick:
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Is DaimlerChrysler (or whatever it calls itself now) pissed at Mitsu for staging a turn around? I wonder just how much influence DaimlerChrysler has over Consumer Reports and "Drive It".
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/mitsu_teaser.htm
-Mike
Seriously, that kind of car might be a winner for Mitsu if the gas prices stay high.
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Does anyone know if there is any real difference or is this just some marketing hack trying to keep his job?
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Mitsubishi Motors Reports June Sales Up 30%
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/07/03/054042.html
CYPRESS, Calif., July 3, 2007 -- Mitsubishi Motors North America, Inc., (MMNA) today reported June sales of 13,014 units, up 30% over last year's volume and the best June in four years. Calendar year-to-date sales of 70,357 are up 21% compared to last year's first-half total.
"The new Lancer and Outlander are well-received by new customers and current Mitsubishi owners," said President & CEO Hiroshi Harunari. "Going into the summer travel season, our dealers are reporting excellent results from our new fuel-efficient sedan and SUV."
-- Outlander was the volume leader at 3,414, up 63% from last month's
volume and up 350% from last year's volume; and up 163% from last
year's CYTD volume.
-- Lancer closed at 3,091 units up 195% from last year's volume and up
108% from last year's CYTD volume.
-- Galant closed at 3,026 units up 17% from last month's volume and up 18%
from last year's June volume.
The last figure I saw was for 2006 where they sold 33000 eclipse models. This was a bit of a disappointment for them as Mitsu had hoped to sell 50K a year. I wouldn't be surprised if eclipse sales are down and this is why they didn't report them. Really a shame, the car isn't bad but it gets beat up by the press and on most forums. That can't help sales.
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I am one who, if I like a model, I don't care about 0-60 numbers. Having said that, though, this car is supposed to be the sports car coupe that should be able to pick up and move a bit down the road.
Oh, well, with a rig like the new Lancer and the upcoming fresh new EVO X the Eclipse gets overshadowed. I still like the Eclipse but the lack of four doors is what kept me from getting an Eclipse or the Scion tC. I test drove a 2005 Scion tC RS 1.0(bright red paint like my Lancer's)and was impressed by the car. I don't get it when people dis the Scion tC. There's some hardcore Celica supporters who don't like the fact that the tC supplanted the Celica for the new sporty, small Toyota product. Oh well. Good thing that when purchasing a car you don't go by what somebody else likes, eh?
Good sales news for Mitsubishi! Really cool to see this news because Mitsu does make good rigs - everyone here in southern Arizona seems to really dig the new Lancers - they are popular-as they should be. The new Outlander as well.
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The Mitsubishi section was unbelievable! They discussed the 2008 Lancer yet showed a picture of a 2007 Evolution (?) While they generally praised the car they mentioned poor re-sale as a negative. WTH? They couldn't even take the time to get an up to date picture of the car they were reviewing? Same with the Outlander. Yeah it's good but...poor re-sale, awww, what a shame. Don't buy a good vehicle because you might want to sell it later. Is that whats called "expert opinion" nowadays? The picture of the Galant was also at least 2 years old and did not show the revamped front fascia. Granted the vehicle has not changed that much performance wise but they couldn't trouble themselves to update the picture? Besides that, the review for the Galant and the Eclipse were practically word for word identical to their previous review from years past. Apparently they couldn't take the time to actually drive the newer cars before they wrote them up, excuse me, reprinted their old reviews. Plus, at the tail end of every Mitsu review they mention "poor re-sale". I guess actually taking care of your vehicle before you sell or trade it means absolutely nothing. Go ahead and dent all the doors on your Toyota. No one cares because they are so great and everyone will line up to buy it from you! Ever heard of the Dakar Rally? I guaran-damn-tee if Toyota won it then it would be in every one of their reviews. Are reviews for other manufacturers as poorly done? I guess Consumer Guide just slaps a new cover and year on their catalog and sells it as breaking news or something. Call me fussy but this magazine is not worth the paper it's printed on if they can't at least update a freaking picture!
Personally, I think the best way to make an informed decision is to talk to people who own the product or service it at forums like this. I recently test drove a Lancer GTS and thought it was awesome. I drove it and a Galant and will probably purchase one of those next year since the Mivec engine in my 04 Outlander has performed flawlessly.
I'm not knocking Toyota, just using it as an example of how some of this print media review product panders to apparently whatever is accepted as common knowledge.
I understand exactly what you're saying. Mitsu is the butt boy for all the auto mags. If you read back a few posts I mentioned how even German TV was bashing them.
Within the next year I plan on buying a sporty coupe. I've researched Eclipse, Pontiac G6 GTP, Ford Mustang, Nissan Altima and Accord coupe as I feel these cars are most directly comparable. They all have similar weight, power, performance and features according to the reviews. the reviewers always seem to finish their reports with sometimes not so subtle digs at anything Mitsubishi. Maybe there is some difference between models that only comes through when you actually drive them.
In the end this is fine with me. If I decide that the Eclipse is the coupe for me I'll benefit from the lower price caused by the bashing (for 2007 Mitsu had a $2000 rebate on the Eclipse by December).
In the meantime I'll let all the other folks keep buying the higher priced Toyotas and Hondas. Resale value only matters if you trade, I keep cars until the wheels fall off.
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Could you be more specific? I know it's nose heavy (that damn iron block) but the Altima coupe is more so. I know that understeer is a problem but all the front drivers in this class have the same issue. I hear about torque steer but is it worst in the Eclipse than comparable cars? They say it's too heavy and I agree that it should shed 200-300 pounds but if you make it too light the frame will flex and ruin the handling.
What would you revamp if you had the chance? Do any of the cars I mentioned in my previous post put all these things together better than Mitsu?
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BTW-the Kia I'm talking about was the new 2002 Kia Spectra. I researched them and wanted to buy one and eventually bought a 2001 Kia Sportage 4X4. But CR's report on the '02 Spectra showed a picture of a 1998-2001 era Kia Sephia that I base my nickname here on Edmunds on. My first new Kia was a '99 Sephia sedan.
No, I will only read CR at the bookstore if I can't get my paws on any other car magazine. Seriously.
I won't even read about Mitsubishi in CR...I say I won't but I'll probably take a look...what I mean is I'll take everything in there with a big 'ole grain of salt.
Ever heard of the Dakar Rally? I guaran-damn-tee if Toyota won it then it would be in every one of their reviews. Are reviews for other manufacturers as poorly done? I guess Consumer Guide just slaps a new cover and year on their catalog and sells it as breaking news or something. Call me fussy but this magazine is not worth the paper it's printed on if they can't at least update a freaking picture!
I love that! But if it's a dull looking Toyota Corolla or Prius or a Honda Civic they'll talk about it like it's to be put up above all other cars for all eternity. Please get a much more solid grip, CR.
In reality cars are getting closer and closer together in rank for quality. And though Mitsubishi may not be tops in quality or reliability they offer a Warranty that backs their product so nicely. And when it looks like the new '08 Lancer GTS looks it makes it a done deal in my playbook, gentlemen.
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Don't you know? Those cars go millions of miles without any service at all. I hear that you don't even need to put gas in them.
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I don;t understand what you mean in that the Eclipse has Chrysler syndrome in the way it looks or drives because afterall the Eclipse is based on the Mitsu project platform. What do you mean the way a Chrysler drives? The Chrysler 300 has gotten good reviews so the 300 can;t dtive that bad.
"It's really okay as a "bread and butter" car but if it's supposed to be a sports car, it's about as good as a Sebring in that respect."
I agree its only a "bread abnd butter" car but it did get better reviews than the last generation Eclipse but only in a slight way though. As for the Eclipse being as good as the Sebring why are we comparing the Eclipse and The Sebring since the Sebring is based on the Mitsu Project America platform? I think its Mitsu;s problem if they are having problem selling Eclipse's I mean afterall I think the new Lancer has more streed cared than the Eclipse right now and I think thats a problem that Mitsu needs to cure asap.
Look how much better the Lancer is now with a complete re-vamp, ground up, clean sheet of paper.
I believe I read recently that Chrysler admitted that the Sebring ( along with the Nitro) were "misses". Apparently the Caliber is still considered a hit. Thank goodness DCX was able to steal enough Mitsu technology to develop it. Good thing for them because it's likely the last time they will ever get to rip Mitsu off. I still think Benz is kicking themselves in the [non-permissible content removed] for holding onto the wrong company.
As far as developing new models I'm guessing that, for financial reasons, Mitsu is probably going to have to take it one model at a time. The Outlander was first at bat because (I'm guessing here) it was already in the pipeline? The Lancer series was next because it is their basic "world" 4 door sedan, plus the Evolution is their halo car. Tell me if I'm wrong here but haven't they been 2 for 2 so far. Throw out the worthless "consumer guide" type reviews and most of the REAL automobile community praises both models. In fact, most of the major mags are constantly talking about the Evolution variants. 5 speed? 6 speed? 300 plus hp? will the Sportback make it to North America? yada..yada..yada.. It's a sure bet that Mitsu won't ever have to make a commercial for the new Evo. They will have to advertise the new U.S. made models eventually, if they want them to sell. They've been pretty upfront about the financial difficulties and how it's affected their marketing strategy though. Again I'm guessing but it seems to me the strategy is to take it one "complete re-vamp" at a time and do it correctly. (It's probably a blessing they don't have to re-do practically every model at once like Ford or GM.) Then they advertise it as intelligently as they can, slowly build up the full line. Try to keep the dealers healthy. I know my local dealer has been selling more Mitsu's now then in the last 2 years. A salesman told me that the only reason overall sales were down from previous years was because Mitsu cut way back on fleet sales. He said actual dealer sales to customers are up quite a bit since this January.
Here's a thought from my rant the other day on how Mitsu is treated by some reviewers -- Is it possible that people feel Mitsu played dirty because they were helped financially by Mitsu Heavy and Mitsu Bank of Tokyo. Some people talk like the Mitsubishi companies are just a "gang" or something, its like they feel it's unfair somehow that MMC can benefit that way - like a kid who gets his dad to buy him his first car when the other kids have to work for them. I guarantee that that is a BS argument. MMC ain't getting money for free from those guys.
Just curious if thats where the bias might come from?
sales have been good and improving and they recently opened a larger store.
I do like the fact that I don't see many Outlanders out there. Usually you buy a new car then you notice them everywhere. Seems like everybody has a Rav4 or CRV.
Since the Lancer and Outlander are on the same platform, I wonder if the 3.0 V6 would fit in the Lancer? Too much weight on the front, maybe.
Funny you should mention that. I was looking at an old issue of "Consumer Guide" which objectively ranked car on a 1-10 scale for a number of factors including acceleration and handling. Eclipse was higher ranked in these areas than about 90% of the other cars. It was rated comparable with some BMW 3 series models among others.
As I've said before, I think the Eclipse was a compromise car. Developed at a time when Mitsu's very existence was in doubt there was no time or money for a top to bottom revamp. They used the Project America platform because it was stiff enough, They used the iron engine block because it was cheap enough and put some MIVEC heads on it to give it better performance.
For what it's worth I think that some of the bashing comes from people who remember the G1 and G2 cars and hate the direction G3 and G4 have gone. Unfortunately, Eclipse is not the same car as it was prior to 2000. Where it used to be comparable to Celica and Miata it is now closer to Altima coupe, Accord coupe or G6 coupe.
Mr. Shiftright said it needed a complete revamp. Was this from a styling point of view or in relation to the actual running gear? Usually cars get a minor refresh mid cycle which for Eclipse is 2009. Does anyone have an opinion on what Mitsu will do (or should do) with the Eclipse at that time?
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I would leave appearance alone unless Mitsu comes up with some Ralliart aero package. I think the Eclipse looks great as is. Whenever my sister goes anywhere she gets tons of compliments and the few times I took it out it attracted lots of attention. Maybe a special Ralliart color scheme?
The reason I would make it available for the GS 4 cyl. variant is because it's a handling package only. We have quite a few GS Eclipses in the area that have been modified already to speed them up. I saw a few at the dealerships that have turbos, custom exhaust etc...Most of those guys can actually beat a stock GT now but they might appreciate a handling package.
Again, on the reviews. Maybe it's just hard for me to imagine some guy testing microwaves or TVs in the morning and then hopping in an automobile to give it an "expert" review. Those people are in the publishing business, not the automobile business. It's pretty obvious from most of their format that it's a numbers game with reviews based on info from dealerships and maybe mailers to consumers. Sure there's going to be some trends that make sense but there has to be a point where implied truths affect outcome. Again, not picking on Toyota but just using them as an example, we have the major news media, for the last 3 years, telling us that Toyota is taking over because they are the best. That constant drumbeat has to affect a large segment of the population eventually. Today, with the knowledge available at sites like these on the net, with the quality of input. Those cut and paste reviews (updated yearly...maybe) just don't cut it imo.
I guess my "Sebring" analogy wasn't a good one---I meant the Sebring in concept, as perceived by buyers...not the literal stats of a Sebring vs. an Eclipse. The Eclipse has zero visibility, and very little effect on reviewers. You could scan 100 road tests and I betcha 95% of them all read the same way "this is a nice little car and is perhaps a reasonable alternative for some buyers who don't like mainstream Japanese sporty cars". In other words....YAWN...
I think the Eclipse is a good car but there's nothing about it that would tempt me to buy one, like say I'd be tempted by a MINI or an S2000 or even a base BMW 325 coupe.
Sales for the Eclipse are up H1 2006 vs. H1 2007 overall. If you strip out fleet sales, then yes, sales are down slightly period to period (just over 600 units). I have documentation for the preceding data, let me know and I'll provide the links.
Basically, the Eclipse sells OK and adds dealer traffic... I'm just wondering...
Of course you're entitled to your choices but those cars are in different classes than Eclipse. The MINI weighs what, 2500 pounds? I could never buy one because I couldn't get into it (and they say Eclipse has a tiny back seat). I like the performance specs on the S2000 but like the 350Z it has a ride that would require new kidneys after each drive. I've never sat in one but I bet my head would stick out the roof.
As for the BMW, I'd like one too but I don't think I could come up with the 40K needed to buy one. Also some of the specs I've seen indicate the Eclipse is as fast and handles as well for 10-15 K less.
Mr. Shiftright, how would you rank the midsize coupe sector?
Do you also feel the same way about the Altima coupe? How about the Accord coupe? These are more in line with what the Eclipse has become.
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Yes, it's been my observation that Mitsu dealers are not fond of the Eclipse. They want more exciting and appealing product in their showrooms. The Eclipse is old, old news as it sits. Were it not for the EVO, the new upscale Outlander and the new Lancer, those poor dealers would be in a deep funk right now. 2007 saved them from a morbid depression I think.