2023 Lincoln Nautilus Lease Deals and Purchase Prices

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  • ajband27ajband27 Member Posts: 15
    Michaell said:

    ajband27 said:

    Tring to figure out the lease terms of a 2023 Nautilus reseve, AWD, Pristine white color, Twin Turbocharge upgrade, 20 inch wheels, cargo utlity

    MSRP $59895

    Incentives $2250

    Dealer Discount $2070

    Adjusted Price $55575

    3 year,16,500 Mile, PA Zip Code 15501

    I think the residual should be $28750 and apr/money factor 1.2%

    Dealer quoted $1008 then $993 now $927 per month

    My calculations have the lease at $858

    I believe the dealership is using 3% apr/money factor and not 1.2%.

    My question is do my numbers seem correct? Is dealership marking up the apr/money/factor? Any comments, advice, suggestions would be appreciated.

    1.20% APR
    48% residual
    $2250 lease cash

    Ask the dealer what number they are using for the adjusted cap cost - if it's different from the $55,575, find out why.

    Then you can discuss the possibility of the APR being marked up.
    I called the Dealership. The adjusted cap cost is $56,877.30

    Here's how they got to it:
    MSRP $59,895
    Discount $2070
    Rebate $2250
    Adjusted Price $55,575
    Dealer Doc $449
    Non Tax Fees $853.30
    Balance $56,877.30

    We agreed on residual 48% = $28,750
    He said they are using Lincoln Financial 1.2% APR = .0005 Money Factor
    I ran all the numbers and came up with:
    Total Rent $1541.28

    Base Payment: $824.14
    Tax: $74.17 (9% in PA)
    Payment: $898.31

    I spoke with the sales manager and he could not tell me what the total rent was. He lead me to believe that the Lincoln calculator does not tell you that number and insisted that he was using the 1.2% APR to get to a lease payment of $927.

    I agreed to disagree.

    Am I crazy? How do the numbers work out?
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 258,978
    ajband27 said:

    Michaell said:

    ajband27 said:

    Tring to figure out the lease terms of a 2023 Nautilus reseve, AWD, Pristine white color, Twin Turbocharge upgrade, 20 inch wheels, cargo utlity

    MSRP $59895

    Incentives $2250

    Dealer Discount $2070

    Adjusted Price $55575

    3 year,16,500 Mile, PA Zip Code 15501

    I think the residual should be $28750 and apr/money factor 1.2%

    Dealer quoted $1008 then $993 now $927 per month

    My calculations have the lease at $858

    I believe the dealership is using 3% apr/money factor and not 1.2%.

    My question is do my numbers seem correct? Is dealership marking up the apr/money/factor? Any comments, advice, suggestions would be appreciated.

    1.20% APR
    48% residual
    $2250 lease cash

    Ask the dealer what number they are using for the adjusted cap cost - if it's different from the $55,575, find out why.

    Then you can discuss the possibility of the APR being marked up.
    I called the Dealership. The adjusted cap cost is $56,877.30

    Here's how they got to it:
    MSRP $59,895
    Discount $2070
    Rebate $2250
    Adjusted Price $55,575
    Dealer Doc $449
    Non Tax Fees $853.30
    Balance $56,877.30

    We agreed on residual 48% = $28,750
    He said they are using Lincoln Financial 1.2% APR = .0005 Money Factor
    I ran all the numbers and came up with:
    Total Rent $1541.28

    Base Payment: $824.14
    Tax: $74.17 (9% in PA)
    Payment: $898.31

    I spoke with the sales manager and he could not tell me what the total rent was. He lead me to believe that the Lincoln calculator does not tell you that number and insisted that he was using the 1.2% APR to get to a lease payment of $927.

    I agreed to disagree.

    Am I crazy? How do the numbers work out?
    I agree with your math, using those prices.

    The only explanation is that the MF/APR is marked up, or the "balance" is different from what they say. Those are the only two variables in a lease calculation.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 260,829
    ajband27 said:

    Michaell said:

    ajband27 said:

    Tring to figure out the lease terms of a 2023 Nautilus reseve, AWD, Pristine white color, Twin Turbocharge upgrade, 20 inch wheels, cargo utlity

    MSRP $59895

    Incentives $2250

    Dealer Discount $2070

    Adjusted Price $55575

    3 year,16,500 Mile, PA Zip Code 15501

    I think the residual should be $28750 and apr/money factor 1.2%

    Dealer quoted $1008 then $993 now $927 per month

    My calculations have the lease at $858

    I believe the dealership is using 3% apr/money factor and not 1.2%.

    My question is do my numbers seem correct? Is dealership marking up the apr/money/factor? Any comments, advice, suggestions would be appreciated.

    1.20% APR
    48% residual
    $2250 lease cash

    Ask the dealer what number they are using for the adjusted cap cost - if it's different from the $55,575, find out why.

    Then you can discuss the possibility of the APR being marked up.
    I called the Dealership. The adjusted cap cost is $56,877.30

    Here's how they got to it:
    MSRP $59,895
    Discount $2070
    Rebate $2250
    Adjusted Price $55,575
    Dealer Doc $449
    Non Tax Fees $853.30
    Balance $56,877.30

    We agreed on residual 48% = $28,750
    He said they are using Lincoln Financial 1.2% APR = .0005 Money Factor
    I ran all the numbers and came up with:
    Total Rent $1541.28

    Base Payment: $824.14
    Tax: $74.17 (9% in PA)
    Payment: $898.31

    I spoke with the sales manager and he could not tell me what the total rent was. He lead me to believe that the Lincoln calculator does not tell you that number and insisted that he was using the 1.2% APR to get to a lease payment of $927.

    I agreed to disagree.

    Am I crazy? How do the numbers work out?
    Your calculations are correct...

    But..

    Are you sure that their "Balance" is the actual Adjusted CAP cost?
    What is the amount Due at Signing?
    Itemization of the $853.30 fees?
    Where is the acquisition fee accounted for? (usually taxable)
    What about upfront sales tax on the rebate?
    Are you sure that sales tax is 9%? In some localities in PA, it's 10% or 11%.

    If they give you a screenshot off the computer, or you see it on a contract, it would become clear.

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  • ajband27ajband27 Member Posts: 15
    kyfdx said:

    ajband27 said:

    Michaell said:

    ajband27 said:

    Tring to figure out the lease terms of a 2023 Nautilus reseve, AWD, Pristine white color, Twin Turbocharge upgrade, 20 inch wheels, cargo utlity

    MSRP $59895

    Incentives $2250

    Dealer Discount $2070

    Adjusted Price $55575

    3 year,16,500 Mile, PA Zip Code 15501

    I think the residual should be $28750 and apr/money factor 1.2%

    Dealer quoted $1008 then $993 now $927 per month

    My calculations have the lease at $858

    I believe the dealership is using 3% apr/money factor and not 1.2%.

    My question is do my numbers seem correct? Is dealership marking up the apr/money/factor? Any comments, advice, suggestions would be appreciated.

    1.20% APR
    48% residual
    $2250 lease cash

    Ask the dealer what number they are using for the adjusted cap cost - if it's different from the $55,575, find out why.

    Then you can discuss the possibility of the APR being marked up.
    I called the Dealership. The adjusted cap cost is $56,877.30

    Here's how they got to it:
    MSRP $59,895
    Discount $2070
    Rebate $2250
    Adjusted Price $55,575
    Dealer Doc $449
    Non Tax Fees $853.30
    Balance $56,877.30

    We agreed on residual 48% = $28,750
    He said they are using Lincoln Financial 1.2% APR = .0005 Money Factor
    I ran all the numbers and came up with:
    Total Rent $1541.28

    Base Payment: $824.14
    Tax: $74.17 (9% in PA)
    Payment: $898.31

    I spoke with the sales manager and he could not tell me what the total rent was. He lead me to believe that the Lincoln calculator does not tell you that number and insisted that he was using the 1.2% APR to get to a lease payment of $927.

    I agreed to disagree.

    Am I crazy? How do the numbers work out?
    Your calculations are correct...

    But..

    Are you sure that their "Balance" is the actual Adjusted CAP cost?
    What is the amount Due at Signing?
    Itemization of the $853.30 fees?
    Where is the acquisition fee accounted for? (usually taxable)
    What about upfront sales tax on the rebate?
    Are you sure that sales tax is 9%? In some localities in PA, it's 10% or 11%.

    If they give you a screenshot off the computer, or you see it on a contract, it would become clear.
    Thank you all for your help. Understanding how leases are calculated has help me save myself, family, and friends thousands of dollars over the past several years. Everyone is so helpful in this community.

    My father initially went the dealership and asked for the company's best offer on a 36 month, 16,500 mile lease of a 2023 Lincoln Nautilus Reserve. The said their best price $1008. Long story short after several negations over the course of 4 days - speaking with the sales consultant, sales manager (who claimed he didn't know what rent was in a lease), and finally the finance manger the dealership agreed to discount the selling price of the car to what they initially offered: $2070 off of MSRP and agreed to use Lincoln Financial's ACTUAL residual value and money factor (apr); they leased the car for $896.13. I feel beaten down by just getting them to be honest sales people.

    I encountered several deceptive sales practices including increasing the apr (money factor), reducing the residual value, and "forgetting" to include the agreed discount of the car. The nail in the coffin was when I finally scanned a copy of a previous lease from Lincoln Financial and told the dealership to give me the exact numbers of line items A through L. As advised on this forum it became abundantly clear where they were fudging the numbers.

    Here's what was leased:
    2023 Nautilus Reserve
    Upgraded v6 twin turbo engine
    Pristine white color option
    20 inch wheels
    18 inch spare
    Cargo package
    MSRP including destination fee was $59,895.

    Here's how the lease worked out (within a few cents):
    a. Gross Capitalized Cost - $59,069.37
    b. Capitalized Cost Reduction - $2250
    c. Adjusted Capitalized Cost $56,819.37
    d. Residual Value - $28,749.60
    e. Depreciation and any Amortized Amounts - $28,069.77
    f. Rent Charge - $1540.24
    f. Total of Base Payments - $29,610.01
    h. Lease Payments - 36
    I. Base Payment - $822.50
    J. Sales/Use Tax - $74.03
    K. Total Payment - $896.13
    L. Lease Term - 36

    Within negations this lease price changed 5 times from $1008, to $993, to $927, to $922, and finally to $896. Every time the price changed they assured me I had just got the best price. I believe I may not have gotten the cheapest lease with these features, but at least I know at the end of the day I know I got a fair deal.

    Thank you for all your help and advice.

    $1008 to $896 = $112 difference x 36 months = $4032 Savings
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 260,829
    @ajband27
    Congrats! Thanks for the detailed report!

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  • ajband27ajband27 Member Posts: 15
    kyfdx said:

    @ajband27
    Congrats! Thanks for the detailed report!

    So funny thing happened this afternoon. We had made arrangements to pick-up the car at the dealership tomorrow at 11:30. We got a call from the dealership - Sorry we've sold the car, but can we interest you in a different Nautilus on our lot? I kindly described their lack of integrity and business ethics and told them we would look for a Lincoln somewhere else. Oh well... There's always another car.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 260,829
    ajband27 said:

    kyfdx said:

    @ajband27
    Congrats! Thanks for the detailed report!

    So funny thing happened this afternoon. We had made arrangements to pick-up the car at the dealership tomorrow at 11:30. We got a call from the dealership - Sorry we've sold the car, but can we interest you in a different Nautilus on our lot? I kindly described their lack of integrity and business ethics and told them we would look for a Lincoln somewhere else. Oh well... There's always another car.
    Sheeewww

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  • woodenheart32woodenheart32 Member Posts: 46

    Hi can you provide MF, residual, and any incentives for a:

    24 Lincoln nautilus reserve
    36/10
    48/10

    Thank you!

  • woodenheart32woodenheart32 Member Posts: 46

    Zip 18447!

  • woodenheart32woodenheart32 Member Posts: 46

    Sorry. AWD and ICE

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 260,829
    edited January 2024

    Hi can you provide MF, residual, and any incentives for a:

    24 Lincoln nautilus reserve

    36/10

    48/10

    Thank you!

    Please re-post in our new 2024 model discussion

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  • NJ323NJ323 Member Posts: 6
    edited February 2024
    Looking at a 2023 Nautilus AWD Reserve
    can you provide MF and Residual for 39mos/10.5K per year. zip code 07444
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 258,978
    NJ323 said:

    Looking at a 2023 Nautilus AWD Reserve
    can you provide MF and Residual for 39mos/10.5K per year. zip code 07444

    1.44% APR and 50% residual
    $3750 incentives

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  • ZenekZenek Member Posts: 117

    Hi
    Looking for MF RV and incentives for Nautilus Reserve AWD.
    Zip code 11554.
    36/10
    39/10.
    Any Conquest incentives available?
    TIA.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 260,829
    Zenek said:

    Hi

    Looking for MF RV and incentives for Nautilus Reserve AWD.

    Zip code 11554.

    36/10

    39/10.

    Any Conquest incentives available?

    TIA.

    1.19% APR and 51% residual
    1.44% APR and 50% residual

    $3750 lease cash

    No info on conquest

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  • CandyMan70CandyMan70 Member Posts: 74
    Hello, what are the terms on a Reserve AWD, twin turbo 12k miles, 39 months for 01030?
  • CandyMan70CandyMan70 Member Posts: 74
    And incentives as well, thanks.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 260,829

    Hello, what are the terms on a Reserve AWD, twin turbo 12k miles, 39 months for 01030?

    And incentives as well, thanks.

    Is twin turbo a different trim?

    I don't know the engines

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  • CandyMan70CandyMan70 Member Posts: 74
    It is an option to upgrade the engine, so no, it it is not a trim level; that would still be reserve but wasn't sure if the engine would impact the residual
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 258,978

    Hello, what are the terms on a Reserve AWD, twin turbo 12k miles, 39 months for 01030?

    And incentives as well, thanks.

    It is an option to upgrade the engine, so no, it it is not a trim level; that would still be reserve but wasn't sure if the engine would impact the residual

    3.10% APR and 53% residual
    No lease incentives

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  • CandyMan70CandyMan70 Member Posts: 74
    There are rebates and other offers on the 2023s, right?
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 258,978

    There are rebates and other offers on the 2023s, right?

    No

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  • cheapdad0000cheapdad0000 Member Posts: 173
    Please post MF/RV/incentives for a 2023 Lincoln Nautilus Reserve AWD - 24/10.5k and 36/10.5k in 27519. Also, do the following 2 incentives show up?

    $1500 AXZD-Plan Cash
    $2000 Lincoln off-lease competitive conquest offer

    Thanks.
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 258,978

    Please post MF/RV/incentives for a 2023 Lincoln Nautilus Reserve AWD - 24/10.5k and 36/10.5k in 27519. Also, do the following 2 incentives show up?

    $1500 AXZD-Plan Cash
    $2000 Lincoln off-lease competitive conquest offer

    Thanks.

    2.05% APR and 63% RV
    2.85% APR and 55% RV

    I see both of those incentives, along with a bunch of other ones. Confirm with your dealer those that you are eligible for.

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  • Michael_Telep123Michael_Telep123 Member Posts: 5
    edited April 2024

    Hi.

    Can I have MF/RV/ incentive for 2023 Nautilus Reserve for 39 /10.5 and 48/10.5. Zip code is 07728

  • cheapdad0000cheapdad0000 Member Posts: 173
    Can I have April MF/RV/incentives for 2023 Nautilus Reserve AWD for 39 /10.5. Zip code is 27519.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 260,829

    Hi.

    Can I have MF/RV/ incentive for 2023 Nautilus Reserve for 39 /10.5 and 48/10.5. Zip code is 07728

    1.42% APR and 47% residual
    2.91% APR and 43% residual

    $3750 lease cash

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 260,829

    Can I have April MF/RV/incentives for 2023 Nautilus Reserve AWD for 39 /10.5. Zip code is 27519.

    1.42% APR
    47% residual
    $3750 lease cash

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  • GTRKiller09GTRKiller09 Member Posts: 34
    edited April 2024
    Numbers for
    Nautilus Standard & Reserve 2.0 AWD
    36/10 and 36/7500 if possible
    Zip 91342

    Thank you!
  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 258,978

    Numbers for
    Nautilus Standard & Reserve 2.0 AWD
    36/10 and 36/7500 if possible
    Zip 91342

    Thank you!

    36/10
    .27% APR
    49% residual
    $3750 incentives

    Either trim

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