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  • gened1gened1 Member Posts: 256
    Yep 29 years ago sounds about right.(If i can remember that far back!!)
    I saw the geezer anthem on a t-shirt recently. It read: At my age if it doesn't hurt it doesn't work.
    I just had to share.
    Gene
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    my last impulse purchase with wheels was a 01' mitsubishi spyder GT in the "arrest me "red ...i rationalized that i got a great deal..it was a one owner- 55 yo lady who couldnt see out that little rear window with the top up. i routinely got 29 -31 mpg with the top down on the interstate from the 3.0 V6 MT, and rolled on past 120 mph one night on a lonesome 2 lane. the car took a beating in the car mags, but really performed well for the $$. alas..that color never got by local law enforcement without being noticed, so I sold it to a neighbor with a 15 yo daughter and now im thinking of a stealth color for my Subie.
  • maverick1017maverick1017 Member Posts: 212
    nope, you wouldn't find Polks in either kmart or walmart. Kmart don't carry anything good, and I think walmart carries Sony Explode speakers. If you want the Polks cheap, the best bet is ebay. New Polk 6.5 inch speakers are going for ~$35-60 depend on model. If you don't mind used (swap outs) ones some can be had for ~$10. As always, shipping is extra.

    Mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    On mileage, doesn't it stink that the engine obeys your throttle foot? LOL

    Mark: Subaru is your destiny, because you have two Ks in your name. Just thought I'd share that.

    That Mitsu just co-starred in 2 Fast 2 Furious, I bet resale values jumped up. Your timing was off a bit.

    When the first movie came out, prices on Supras surged.

    -juice
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    grugru:

    I paid $66 per tire for my Contis from Tire Rack back in March '03. They were up to $79 last time I checked their website. I'm very pleased so far.

    juice:

    I got 32.00 MPG (once, and only once) on my '01 Forester S 5 speed. I just cracked 30 two other times.

    Len
  • coophrcoophr Member Posts: 1
    One more clutch story.
    Just wanted to say a quick "thank you" to all you folks out there for all of the valuable info on this site.
    I've had to put up with a 'shuddering' clutch on my '02 for all of last winter and to a lesser extent into the spring. It didn't like cold and wet.
    The dealer kept saying it was 'normal' and would eventually go away. Of course it didn't, and at 20k I finally decided to look into it myself.
    Thanks to this site and the many informative discussions (when they're not over my head) by people like 'mckeown, ken and juice' , I was able to get hold of Subaru's TSB and, with the TSB and an e-mail from Subaru in hand, I drove into the shop.
    Even though it had been one of the hottest days of the year so far, the service manager said he was able to verify the problem the next morning and the matter was resolved without any hassle. They installed a new clutch assembly a couple of days later.
    Funny thing is, the service manager claimed he never saw this TSB before I showed him my copy. He may be telling the truth, of course, but if he is, it doesn't say much about Subaru's effort to keep all of its dealers informed.
    Anyway, thanks again and keep up the good work.
    Harry
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    I just got the clutch replaced on my wife's '03 Outback yesterday, at just over 7K miles. This is the 4th REPLACEMENT clutch on three Subarus in just over one year (long story). Anyway, we now have the "upgraded" clutch in my '01 Forester and the Outback, so hopefully clutch chatter is now a thing of the past. (So far, so good in the Forester after about 10K, BTW.)

    Len
  • bluejeanbluejean Member Posts: 3
    Greetings, I have a 03 XS Premium that needs a new windshield. Any opinions on using a Safelite-like service (non-OEM glass) or going to a Subaru dealer? The insurance company prefers the former, and swears I'll get a replacement with the appropriate heating elements. I sorta prefer the dealer, but I'm on the fence because the dealer is an hour away.

    BTW, I have full coverage with no deductible. Thanks for any advice.
  • chassolchassol Member Posts: 95
    You can request they use original Subaru parts and have the outside company (Safelite - etc) do the install, if your state requires it.
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    Harry, Glad to hear about your clutch. I have 6 Copies I carry in my Forester and have handed them to people. You are correct, Subaru Service denies knowing this unless someone has pointed it out.
    My '02 MT has consistently been over 25 mpg in the summer months. In fact last 2 trips from NJ to Albany scored 32.5 and 32.7. Winter (oxygenated fuel) is a different story. Just to get to 25mpg then is a pleasure.
    Oh yeah.....over 30 (getting old) Long ago. I had my 1st set of Mickey Mouse ears (felt one's) up until 1985 when one of our dog's at the time, chewed them. Also remember things like Kokla, Fran and Olly, Your Show of Show's and Flicka.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I had the Davy Crockett coonskin cap. I don't remember Buddy Epsen in that show at all though.

    Another XT review anyone? Forester gets frisky (Globe & Mail)

    Oh, chat in 5 hours; you've been warned :-)

    Steve, Host
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    From the Globe & Mail review: "A hint of Subaru's hopes for upward mobility can be seen in the company's eagerness to compare the XT's performance with V6-engined SUVs from the likes of Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, Acura and Volvo. Moves upmarket are increasingly common in the global auto industry. They're a way to break free from dwindling profits - particularly for those who've been building low and modestly priced vehicles. The key is to veer towards what product planners call "rich mix" models. Typically, these are feature-laden, leather upholstered..."

    So, with this oft-repeated desire to move up-market, what does Subaru do? They refuse to sell popular, extra-cost features (sunroof, leather) to U.S. buyers who prefer 5-speeds, that's what! And if that weren't enough, they refuse to bring other desirable features (dual-range gearsets, self-leveling rear suspension, HID lights, and so forth) to U.S. buyers even though they're all on Foresters sold nearly everywhere else.

    Upmarket, indeed! Can we spell schizophrenic?

    jb
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    There isn't enough demand to cover the cost. Very few dealers would want to stock a stick premium. Sort of like having an auto WRX, there's not enough market.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Just as SOA screwed up by not offering the WRX wagon without the Premium Package, they screwed up up with the XT 5-speed by not offering the moonroof, at least as an option!

    Not enough demand? Rubbish!

    Bob
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    a good $500 more for dual range, or, I would accept a granny gear for first on a 5 or 6 speed. First gear is just too tall for some off-road conditions.

    John
  • rsay777rsay777 Member Posts: 100
    Could someone re post the link to the clutch shudder TSB that I read sometime back? I know I will be visiting the dealer this Fall when the symptom re appears once the cold weather returns. Thanks in advance. Bob L.
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    Bob, Here's the link again:
    http://www.mnchopshop.org/images/TSB-03_51_02.jpg

    It's still in msg 11017..........Regards...
  • rsay777rsay777 Member Posts: 100
    I must have been mistaken that the TSB applied to the 03 power train. I thought I read some posts from people with the clutch shudder problem who own an 03 model. Bob L.
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    John says, "First gear is just too tall for some off-road conditions."

    And (with the XT's 4.44 final drive) just too short for most on-road conditions. In other words, the XT's existing transmission and final drive ratios leave a lot to be desired. The worst of the compromises could be readily remedied with either the 6-speed or the 5-speed-plus-dualrange.

    jb
  • leo2633leo2633 Member Posts: 589
    I just had the chattering clutch replaced in my wife's '03 Outback at 7K miles. It seems that the newly designed clutch parts weren't incorporated into new vehicles until sometime after the start of '03 production. The parts manager at my dealer told me ours was within the last 20,000 vehicles to use the old clutch parts. For what it's worth, he also told me the parts are now in an all-inclusive kit, where originally, all the necessary pieces (flywheel, disk, cover, and bolts) had to be ordered separately.

    I truly hope they've gotten it right this time.

    Len
  • gmginsfogmginsfo Member Posts: 116
    Laker, I bought both at Fry's, a CA electronics & computer discount center that has pretty good prices, usually beating GGuys, CCity and BBuy. (Hey, I think I've discovered a marketing technique in this consistent consonance!) I'd also look online, as you can get some good info on specs and prices there, too. Always, always CHECK THE CLEARANCE TABS!

    Also, don't forget about traditional "shopping." By that, I mean stopping in stores if you happen to be near one and asking if they've got any closeouts or clearance items for sale. Our local GGuys and Tweeters have clearance table set up near the entrance, and most of the stuff is NOT returns, but discontinued items. The progress curve over the past several years means it's hard to find bad things if you stick with reputable mfrs - but easy to find bargains if you take the time to look. Have at it!

    BTW, my amp arrived today and gets installed Saturday. Can't wait to hear how things sound after that. Happy weekend to all!

    PS - Won't SOMEBODY take a stab at telling me how I might move my driver's seat back further on the rails that look long enough to handle it?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Link's on the left....and there's a suprise guest in the house!

    Just in case you find yourself in a chat room alone, check to see if there are multiple rooms on the drop down list at the bottom of the chat window, then click on the first one. That's where the Crew is meeting.

    Steve, Host
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    "I want my (Forester XT) M(anual) T(ransmission) (con) V (ertible..maximum moonroof)!

    okay,,its a stretch, but eventually we get to the "money for nothing and chicks for free" refrain.
       Ever since bob pointed out that through-the-moonroof pic on the SoA website of the Forester XT premium package with the MT, I am a man on a mission! The roads in my neck of the woods cry out for an MT with serious grunt behind it...my driveway is 1 mile straight up at 15 degree grade, with 3 tight hairpins.Likewise, miles of roads without streetlights or city light pollution makes for unbelievable nighttime driving with the roof open. Somewhere , the car in the photo exists..perhaps a secret mission to FHI is required.First, I better go check that photo to see if its a right side driver vehicle that was flipped for the SoA page ...whahooo!
    Mark
  • jtm4jtm4 Member Posts: 60
    What about my '98 Forester? Is it not covered under the TSB? The TSB states, "All 1999-2002 2.5L vehicles." Why leave out the first year Foresters? Mine does have the clutch chatter, on rare occasions. It happens so infrequently that I haven't considered replacing the clutch or any of it's parts. I have over 70k on the vehicle now so maybe it's a moot point.

    Jim
  • subkidsubkid Member Posts: 94
    Getting close to my first Forester X, so I want to check some down to earth stuff.

    How secure is Forester against the theft. Is audio alarm worth having and if yes is it better to go OEM or after market?

    Also, there is no any "smart/computer/chip" protection offered. Does it mean that it's difficult to steal as it is right now, or it is protected good enough by its "wagon-not cool" image :)

    Thks,

    Kid
  • caperosiercaperosier Member Posts: 58
    Interesting posts from you Forester lovebirds.
    Questions ( 2001 silver L 5-speed manual, 58,512 excellent miles):
    1. Anyone else find that the windshield seems "soft" ? Seems sensitive to Maine gravel, sand, debris, flying lobsters.
    2. Have had a chattering clutch in lower gears since day one. Dealers here and in N.H. have said
    it's "normal". Is it a valid TSB for any year manual Forester?
    3. Do tires on AWD 's wear faster than 2-wheelers in normal driving ? Very rapid wear and poor control in winter on the OEM Bridgestones Duelers (25K to the mark), replaced with Michelin Symmetrys now close to the wear markers. Do we have the wrong astrological signs ?
    Any experience with the 'new' Michelin Harmonys (evals on Tirerack) ?
    A big thanks to whoever suggested that I cut a hole in the soft OEM skid plate for oil changing.
    It works ! And which engineer designs oil filters upside down or sideways ? Corporal punishment demanded ! Remember when (granpa) filters were near the top or side of the engines so that they could be replaced easily from the the top ?
    60K on a 2001 is not above average for Downeast driving. Bragg one year, Knoxville the next, even N.J.
    Thanks all.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Mark: The Canadian XTs have that option available, IIRC.

    Jim: I don't know about that too. I do know that the clutch was beefed up from 99 on. It would seem logical that they include the 98s too.

    Kid: I think the OE alarm is just a motion sensor. If you're really worried about security, you're proabably better off going aftermarket. LoJack is probably the best kind you can get.

    caperosier: The Forester windshield does seem more prone to chipping due to it's upright angle. My original one cracked and I had it replaced with an aftermarket one (the same company that supplies windows for US-made Subarus). This windshield seems to be holding up better.

    I personally think AWD evens out tire wear since torque is delivered over more tires. The OE Duelers were not very good tires and were known for pretty quick wear-out. I'm not sure about the Symmetrys. Have you been checking alignment and tire pressures?

    Ken
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    kens, the subaru canada website suggests that the moonroof MT combination is available in the XS but clearly states the Premium package with the moonroof on the XT requires the AT...maybe I should check in Australia.
    mark
  • caperosiercaperosier Member Posts: 58
    Thx Ken.
    Symmetrys rotated about 8000 mi, air at 32-34 for all 4 except carrying loads. Local tire store thinks that the Forester rec. pressure is silly, just for a soft ride. 28 in the front is too low, 38 in the rears somewhat high? Has that label changed in the 02,03 models?
    I've read posts about windshield dings and cracks more than normal. Why would the same glass solve the problem?
    How about clutch chatter?
    Maine
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I want my MTV. I like it.

    -juice
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    Caperosier, You can go to messages starting at 11011 and read the next half dozen all covering others who encountered this. I also was told this was normal. And driving a stick shift in every vehicle owned since 1972, this was the Worst. Even worse than my 1963 chevy 6 cyl. 3 sp on the column. Since 1978 I've owned 5 Subarus. With 1 exception (crash), All were sold in running order with over 200,000 miles on them. Never replaced a clutch, but always did maintainence and adjustments.
    While in Albany NY yesterday, I parked in the state garage and next to a fellow unloading his test equipment from a '02 S. Asked him if it was a Stick, he said YES, Asked if he has a clutch shutter problem, he replied NO. Asked if he has ever, Then he said, ONLY WHEN COLD. The dealer said this is normal and there was No Repair. I handed him a copy of the TSB. His eyes widened as he read and thanked me.
    Subaru has a Loyal following, I would hate to see them lose it over things like this that they Can fix.
  • oldshoeoldshoe Member Posts: 7
    I got a new 2003 Forester X Automatic on Thursday and have a few questions...

    The MPG has been horible for the first 500 miles...like 17 MPG and that is with about 80% Highway driving.... what should I make of this... ????

    Also was wondering if it is OK to place a tethered child seat forward facing in the middle of the back seat ??? The owners manual only talks about using the right or left but it has a back tether in the middle as well ...

    If you have insights on wither of these please let me know...

    Thanks,

    JO
  • gened1gened1 Member Posts: 256
    Do you know of a Subaru recycling (used to call them junk) yard/center?
    I remember awhile ago someone, possibly you, mentioned one and I think it was on the east coast somewhere.I would like to see if there is a Subaru powered drivers seat that I could convert to my 02 Forester. Either use a powered base for the oem seat or maybe a powered Impreza seat.
    Thanks for any info.
    Gene
  • raybearraybear Member Posts: 1,795
    Just break it in right and economy should improve, and remember, 75 mph will affect your performance.
  • mckeownmckeown Member Posts: 165
    They are in Roxbury Ct., a few miles east of Danbury on I-84. Have used them since early 80's.
    http://www.fsautoparts.com/
  • gened1gened1 Member Posts: 256
    Thanks for the info. I am on a mission and even if I don't electrify my seat I want to find out if it can be done.
    Again, thanks.
    Gene
  • rjweissrjweiss Member Posts: 20
    Caperosier; The clutch on the manual Subarus are awfull, had mine changed out twice in my 98 S. Still the same problem, what drove me nuts was the fact that Subaru never acknowledged an issue with them. The dealer always said he never heard of a problem with them, after showing him printed out emails and postings from dozens of other unhappy owners he still buried his head in the sand. Even Patti who was monitoring the board at the time never said a word to all the clutch problems being talked about here.

    Finally, I think they have written a TSB on the problem and the recommended parts for replacement.

    Another problem I had was the windshield glass, had it replaced twice on my 98 and could have changed it out one more time, but i traded it in on a 2003 XS Auto. Of course the auto eliminated the clutch problem but don't you know the windshield cracked on the 03 at 2,000 miles !!

    I guess my next Subie will be a 2004 auto with no windshield.

    Ron W.
  • rsay777rsay777 Member Posts: 100
    I will have to have the windshield replaced in the 03X before I can pass inspection. One small pebble hit the right side near the frame and within two days had grown half way across and luckily turned up and stopped at the upper frame. With $500 ded on the insurance policy looks like I'll be digging into the vacation fund.

    Re clutch (chatter, shudder, judder) If I come to a complete stop and wait about 5 seconds before moving, it seems to quiet things down. I had the same problem with the 91 Legacy only after 70k or so. I just figured it was a warped plate etc. As long as I "babied" it off the line it was ok.

    I hope the dealer will work with me when I take the X in to discuss this clutch issue. It is the only gripe I have with the X after 11.5k

    Happy commuting ALL. Bob L.
  • jrobsonjrobson Member Posts: 10
    Am the proud new owner of a new 5MT. Silver XT, with moonroof. I'm 100% sure that Canadians at least, can have the leather-pak in 5MT or 4EAT configurations. But all our XT's do come with moonroofs! Hope this clarifies.
    Jim
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Now why didn't SOA follow SOC's lead???

    Bob
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    After 3 years of mostly idyllic Forester ownership, I finally added the last accessory from my original wish list to our '01 S+ - the auto-dimming mirror.

    Our new van has one, and although I was a bit skeptical at first (hence the long delay, in part), it's actually pretty nice. The mirror dims on its own when you need it dimmed, and otherwise gives you a clear view to the rear. The compass function is a throw-in, but what the heck, it may come in handy on our mountain roads someday.

    The price is a bit outrageous, but I used our Subaru coupons, so that our out-of-pocket was about zip. For ~$170 it's ridiculous, but for $30 it's a nice add-on. Picked up a few oil filters and a cabin air filter to round off the total bill to a multiple of $100... Spent a bit more than I might have over the internet, but it was worth the investment in my relationship with my local dealer.

    Installation took all of 10 minutes, and that was with my 7 year old "helping" :)

    The Subaru MC program is a major value-add to the car. But please don't tell them, or it may go the way of Patty...

    -brianV, still in mourning at the demise of our special relationship with SOA...
  • kullenbergkullenberg Member Posts: 283
    Patti's back. She was on the chat last Thu nite.
    Cheers
    Pat
  • 1972z1972z Member Posts: 3
    After reading all the posts on this board and doing other on-line research, I asked my wife to test drive a Forester X last December. She brought it home and we've been extremely pleased with our decision. I still appreciate all the real world comments that I continue to read here.
    Doing my 10K service today and as I was rotating the tires I looked closely at all the CV joint boots. Noticed that the front right side inner boot seemed to have some grease on it. Further investigation did not reveal any split in the boot. The steering box is located just forward, a couple of inchs, of this CV joint and it had a rubber cap covering the spot where the steering shaft entered the box. The cap fits tightly to the steering shaft and rotates with it.
    My question, at last, is whether anyone knows if this is supposed to be a sealed joint. I call it a cap because the bottom lip, the part that contacts the steering box, doesn't appear to have a tight seal. It is very easy to lift the edge up and feel around the steering shaft as it enters the box and all the grease that is packed in there. Seems like it might be susceptible to contamination.
    Don't know if the thin coating of grease on the CV joint boot came from here or if was simply some undercoating overspray.
    Thanks in advance.
  • 1972z1972z Member Posts: 3
    On post above, not the right side . . . the left side - driver's side. Sorry.
  • caperosiercaperosier Member Posts: 58
    Thx for the advice all. Actually compared to most other cars the Forester and our other Subarus have been more than reliable. Not as good as our 95 Accord Wagon however with 241K. But then Honda stopped making it in 95.
    For the engineers or pros: why make changing oil so much work? Filter overhead (always drips hot oil down my arm !). "plate" in the way of access.
    Must be a K.I.S.S. way to design this. Oil changing is now just about the only thing we hacks can do to keep a car running.
    Windshields: is there such a thing as "soft" glass ?
  • forestergumpforestergump Member Posts: 119
    Regarding placement of a child seat, I have had our tethered child seat in both the center and side positions without a problem. You can position the tether in either the center or the right or left sides.

    On mileage, your Forester's mileage should improve after the vehicle's ECU adjusts to your driving after a few gas tanks.
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    I don't buy into the "soft" glass theory. Although my windshield was chipped/cracked recently, it took a direct hit from an approx 1" diameter stone traveling at 75 mph to do it. And even then, the crack hasn't spread.

    -Frank P.
  • subewannabesubewannabe Member Posts: 403
    There are some great B&B's near Goderich , on the eastern shore of Lake Huron. I figure my trade in will be tricky and registration a little confusing, but I can come back to the US in a XT with a MT5 and Leather/moonroof, with a few cases of Labatt's Blue in the trunk :-).
    Mark
  • bsvollerbsvoller Member Posts: 528
    Great to hear that you're back ! I've been out of the loop for a while, as everyone can, ahem, tell...

    -brianV (removing foot from mouth...)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Jim: you stole my Forester! Lucky duck! Congrats!

    1972z: how does the other side look?

    We had an axle boot fail on our old 626, it was expensive for the dealer to fix it. The grease ended up shorting out the 02 sensor, another repair bill.

    So keep looking into it.

    -juice
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