Subaru Forester (up to 2005)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My rule of thumb is about $800 per panel damaged for body work. So I dunno, I can't see how that didn't have frame damage.

    Heck, it's a unibody, any damage is frame damage.

    -juice
  • a1bogarda1bogard Member Posts: 13
    Anyone know the best thing to use to clean the auto-dim mirror? When I took off the sticker with the message about setting the compass zone, it left some black ink/residue on the mirror.
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    Not so hard to get there as you might think. I had a relatively low speed accident with my 99 Sable that the dealer said shouldn't have deployed the air bags but did.
    Anyway - 2 air bags, 2 air bag sensors, 1 air bag computer (single use item), 1 windshield (from normal passenger air bag deployment) 1 front bumper cover, 1 front bumper bar, 2 bumper shock supports, 1 headlight assembly (cracked lens), front grill, minor dent in edge of hood, remove the damaged stuff, bolt on the new stuff, paint the hood and bumper cover, pay the shop $7800. No frame damage, no fender damage, with the exception of the lip of the hood, no body damage.

    That was a strange accident, but not as strange as the flying road sign. A tale for a different day.

    Larry
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Wow. Yeah, I guess air bags are real pricey, I heard something like $500 a pop from one source.

    My Forester was hit pretty hard in the rear bumper, I don't remember exactly but it was less than $2k in damage. That was for a fender repair + paint, bumper cover, and tail light.

    -juice
  • twrxtwrx Member Posts: 647
    Think again, $1500 each on my '94 delsol. Really helped total it out at $9k. Paid off my Forester and my above ground pool back in 2000 when it happened. Delsol was repaired and back out on the street via a cheesy used car lot where they lied to the buyers about it being a total. In the meantime the "back of the phonebook" lawyers had filed a $120,000 lawsuit on behalf of the passenger in the van that I hit (put one dent in bumper) for her permanent disablity. Took three years and a jury trial but back in April a jury awarded her $0! What a waste of time and stress for me.

    This is one of the reasons I am so glad I reached a good solution for my WRX problem with the dealer. I had Lemon law lawyers calling me every other day just because I filled out a questionaire on their website! Using them to try to force something from the dealer was the last thing I wanted to do.

    TWRX, your no education no fee teacher. Of course in the teaching business we are entitled to 50% of all profits made in later life by our students aren't we?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I stand corrected. Sheesh.

    -juice
  • brainlessbozobrainlessbozo Member Posts: 36
    I just clocked 5500 miles on my 03 Forester w/Premium Pkge. Fun Car. Big sunroof lets in the light of a cloudy overcast sky in South Dakota. I noticed that oil changes are 5W30, every 3500 miles.

    Question is: When can I switch to synthetics, and go 7000 miles? Will doing that effect the warranty? Currently, I have Penzoil from the dealer. Is the Subaru engine designed such that synthetics (Mobil 1) cannot be used, and will leak? Can 5W30 tolerate -30 F temperature, as far as cold starts are concerned, if I go out? (I have a heated garage in the apt. complex)

    Thanks, in advance
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Any time after the 1k mile break-in. The two senior Subaru techs at a chat we had actually suggested switching early if you go at all, i.e. before 20k miles IIRC.

    Subaru has a schedule with 7500 mile intervals, synthetics can easily handle that.

    -juice
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I switched to Mobil 1 at 1100 miles, did my second oil change at 8600, and at 9500 miles have had no leaks or oil consumption.

    I am not necessarily a "non-dyno" only guy, I just didn't want to change oil every 4 months.

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You mean dino, as in dinosaur, i.e. old-tech.

    Dyno is for dynomometers, to measure power. :-)

    -juice
  • brainlessbozobrainlessbozo Member Posts: 36
    Thank you for your responses, "once_for_all" and "ateixeira". I spoke to 800-Subaru3 for some other reason. The guy on the other end of the line (with questionable IQ) began quoting me the book, and said 3750 miles is the interval between changes. Even the car maintainance schedule (in Ownership) at Edmunds.com specifies 3750 miles. True, they wont know the difference if I go a longer distance. But the unanswered question is: Should I stick with 5W30, or go 0W for winter?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think 5w30 is thin enough, I actually think 10w30 is recommended, at least for my '98 Phase I 2.5l engine.

    -juice
  • brainlessbozobrainlessbozo Member Posts: 36
    Thanks, Juice. I appreciate the input. How do you know so much about cars? I see you have quite a voice in the townhall.

    B
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    Sure, the synthetics can stand up to 6 month changes, but can the filters? I'm sticking with old Dino and getting both done every 3 months.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    for the dino correction :-). My Subaru manual ('03 XS) shows 7500 interval after the first change (I think it was 3,500).

    FWIW, I "think" the filter has enough capacity otherwise the intervals wouldn't be 7,500.

    Brain, messing with warranties by not following required maintenance? = brainless, IMO.

    John
  • xccoachlouxccoachlou Member Posts: 245
    My beautiful new 2003 Forester XS in Woodland Green Pearl was rear ended by a soccer mom in a Toyota Tundra on Sunday. She had to get her son to a very important Soccer Game.

    There is no visible damage. But there is hidden damage. That was evident when the cargo cover came loose and apparently shrunk by a half inch. The initial estimate is $2000 plus any other damage they find after they start taking things apart.

    I'm glad I picked a Subaru. I'm not too happy that I had to find out first hand how safe a car it is.

    - Lou
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Ouch is right Lou! That really sucks. Must have been quite a wallop if it caused the space-frame to widen by 1/2". Hope everything turns out OK.

    On an unrelated note, 3750 miles is the severe-use oil change interval. The regular use interval (which I follow) is 7500 miles.

    Craig
  • twrxtwrx Member Posts: 647
    Let us not forget that the fuel from dinosaurs is actually uranium not petroleum! During the 1950's when the great uranium rush was going on in Utah and western Colorado some of it was found in dino bone. It leached into the bone as it mineralized. Thus during ore mining some dino skeletons were lost in the rush to defend ourselves from the perceived commie threat. At the same time the goverenment ignored health experts who had warned that poor ventilation in the mines would subject the miners to radon. The greed of the mining companies not wanting to spend the extra money ruled and miners died of lung cancer and other cancers. In fact the dying miners were found to have bones that were turning into radioactive lead from the decay of the radon inhaled.

    As to petroleum it is from invertebrate fossils. Microfossils specifically are its source. Microscopic crustaceans called Ostracods are a prime source.

    T-Rex
    TWRX

    In case you had not gathered the play on words I use for my handle.
  • ivestorparkivestorpark Member Posts: 31
    The messages have slowed down lately, so maybe this will start some discussion.

    Finally located the plastic cover under the oil pan drain and filter with the assistance of the posts here. I loosen six screws, but was unable to get the cover to slide in the direction of the arrow. I tried to be as gentle as possible, but even applying minimal force one of the screws popped out of its socket and I can't get it back in. Again this job would be immensely easier if one were standing under the vehicle as opposed to lying under it. Does anybody have any tips on getting the cover to slide away as it was designed to do? This task appears to be like a child proof lock, that is until you learn the mechanics of the lock it's adult proof too. I suppose that the oil filter is low enough that Subaru felt that it was important to place some minimal protection under it for those few who actually take the Forester off road. Actually if I ever get the cover off I'm considering just removing it, as it's not worth the hassle and I will never drive my vehicle off road.

    Second I can't find a suitable crush washer (or anything close to it) at the local Home Depot or Lowe's for the oil pan plug in spite of what an earlier poster stated. I met a customer at the HD (who use to work at Lowe's), who said that a brass or nylon washer would probably work okay for this application, if I could find one which I can't. Haven't tried the auto parts stores yet as I suspect that they will charge pretty close to the 75 cents (plus tax) for the washer that the dealer charges (bought one as a comparison). An earlier post said that the washers were 40 cents each, so his dealer must be more reasonable. The inside diameter (I.D.) of the dealer item is 20 mm. If I can't find an exact fit, is it better to go to a slighter larger or slightly smaller I.D. Does anybody have any suggestions? I can't believe that there are only a couple of Subaru owners who change their own oil. thx
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    $.31 each from http://www.subaruparts.com/

    bit
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    The access cover doesn't "slide", it rotates out of the way. There is a pin holding one corner of the cover, and this acts like a hinge. Look on page 11-10 of the owner's manual for a sketch and instructions. Once the fasteners are out, the cover is pretty loose, and should rotate easily.

    Seriously, just buy the proper crush washer from Subaru. It really needs to be a crush washer to serve its purpose, and the cost is peanuts. I pay less than $6 for the filter and washer.

    Craig
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Looks like the price went up on the washer at SubaruParts.com... $.65. And the filters are $4.95 plus shipping. I order a half dozen at a time.

    bit
  • subkidsubkid Member Posts: 94
    Hi,

    I`m away from home and my 2003 X Forester, and I`m looking into some nice chrome exhaust pipe ends. Could somebody do me a favor and measure the diameter of the exhaust pipe at the end, as there are quite a few choices here.

    Thks,

    Kid
  • 03xngreen03xngreen Member Posts: 36
    Mine looks like 2 1/8" outside diameter.
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    ivestorpark - What you need to do is loosen the screw, (kind of a misnomer as its a glorified push pin that rotates 1/2 turn or so) When the "screw" backs out unscrew it with your fingers lightly until you feel it won't give anymore. Then pull out the entire "screw" and receptacle assembly. There are I believe 6 or 7 of them. Then rotate the shield out of the way.

    When you go to reinstall them, let the "screw" hang out as far as it can go, then press the assembly back into the hole. Once you feel the screw's receptacle seat, then just push the screw in to lock it - you don't actually have to screw it in.

    Once you have one out and in your hand and see how it works, you'll be fine. All the screw does is act like a pin to expand its receptacle to hold the cover and shield together.

    Also, its sometimes necessary to use two hands to get the cover and shield to stay together while you're reseating the screw/pin assembly.

    Get the right crush washer - its way easier than draining the oil to fix a leaky plug. Also, when you've applied enough torque to crush the crush washer, you know you don't need to apply any more force. Helps prevent stripping the pan or bolt.

    HTH

    Larry
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thanks, B. Do I know that much? Not really, I just enjoy cars, it's like a hobby to me.

    Sorry to hear that, Lou. But think about it, if you had bought a RAV4 or CR-V, an impact like that might have forced the spare tire through the rear glass. It could have been a *lot* worse.

    Bruce: you crack me up! And here I thought we used the slang "dino" just because it was the older type of oil, vs. synthetic I mean.

    -juice
  • joseph50joseph50 Member Posts: 235
    After filling up, I drove 4 hours on the PA turnpike yesterday. Mpg was was way down.
    I think "winter gas" is with us already. :(
  • ken_from_njken_from_nj Member Posts: 105
    since joseph50 brought it up - i averaged around 27 mpg on a trip last weekend NJ to OH & back via RT 80 in our 03 forester xs prem AT (11k miles now). very pleased. back was full, back seat had the shorty and me & wife up front bebopping to tunes on the 6cd changer interspersed w/tunes from 'the wiggles' cd. i still can't get 'stop at the light, look both ways, look both ways again' outta my head. - Ken
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    up to 28.3. In California, I have not seen the winter/ summer gasoline quality changing MPG; however, the AC dings me by 4-5 mpg in the summer.

    John
  • from_awayfrom_away Member Posts: 12
    Just reviewed some of the many messages about tire wear on the Forester. Have a 2002 L w/manual; purchasing new August 2002 w/Bridgestone Dueler H/T's. Just changed the oil 2 days ago and rotated the tires (at 23,350 mi); had to pull off the right rear as it was ruined. Badly cupped and completely worn away on the outer edge. The other three are wearing pretty poorly too. Never had an alignment. Have been doing rotations every 7,000 to 8,000 miles.

    Bridgestone dealer says (of course) that it is not a manufacturer problem, but poor alignment. He said that it has been his experience that Forester's and Legacy's eat up tires pretty badly. He recommended that the tires be rotated every 5,000 mi. (seems to be consistent with what's posted on the boards) and do an all wheel alignment every 6 months.

    That all being said, what I thought I would do is buy 1 new Dueler, place it and the spare on the ground and then run till the other 2 wear out (probably within the next 3 months) and buy 2 new again.

    Does that make sense, or would I be better off buying a pair of something and putting the spare back in the trunk? Or say to heck with it and buy 4 new ones and be done with it?

    Any suggestions for something besides the Duelers? I'm rather limited where I live as to choices with Sears, Bridgestone, Firestone, & Cooper the most easily accessible.

    Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    If you want to save some $$, you could buy three new tires and utilize the spare to get four new tires on the car. Then, take your best used tire and keep it for the spare.

    Subaru recommends that all four wheels be within 1/4" circumference. I doubt you'd be within spec with two new tires and two old, if they are as worn as you have described.

    My wife has 22600 miles on her 03 Forester XS, and the Yoko Geolanders have worn very evenly, and have plenty of tread life left. I like those tires a lot.

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    All wheel alignment every 6 months? Now that's severe overkill, is he gonna pay for those? Sheesh.

    Any how, I would definitely just get 4 new tires. Why not 3 and use the spare?

    Well, the Dueler tires are lousy, IMHO. Mine only lasted 28k miles and the outer edges wore just like yours.

    If it's the tire, then why have my Nitto NT460 tires lasted 27000 miles already and worn evenly, and still look almost new to boot! Get this - I have NEVER had an alignment, in 5+ years!

    See, so it was the tires, and the tires alone. My alignment is fine. My new tires are fine. Get better tires and my guess is you'll be fine...

    -juice
  • speterson1speterson1 Member Posts: 228
    I've been researching this lately as well since my wife and I have a '01 Forester L that is ready for some new tires (especially before winter comes). Most of the research I've done by going through these boards, noting several of the brands that got good comments, and then cross-checking their ratings on Tire Rack's excellent website (just click on the button on the left side of this screen). I have decided on Yokohama Avid Touring tires since they get great marks, last a long time, and are a bargain at $46/per tire! Unless the installation place I'm going to can sell me the tires cheaper, I'll order them online from Tire Rack and have them drop shipped there. This is something you might want to look into since you say that your tire choices are limited where you live. On Tire Rack's homepage scroll to the bottom and click on the "Installation" link and you can punch in your zip code and get a list of installers in your area to which Tire Rack will drop ship your order. Plus you can read comments about the various installers in your area which can be helpful. Good luck!
  • from_awayfrom_away Member Posts: 12
    Can't argue with the idea that the Dueler are not a good tire; I've not been impressed with them.

    But, if they don't seem to wear evenly with proper alignment, why doesn't Bridgestone back them up a little bit. Is there anything I can say that would convince them that they should "come clean" and help me out a little bit on the $$ side of things?

    What is the proper time and/or mileage for 4 wheel alignment?

    All other vehicles I've owned (although none being AWD) never had it done more than twice in their lifetimes of 80,000 to 120,000 miles.

    Never heard of the tire brand you mentioned. I'm not too concerned about having an "off-road" tire, just something that can handle all of the snow of a Northern Maine winter. Cooper have anything worth looking at? or anything Sears may stock?
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Brad- Have you had the alignment checked? While excessive tread wear on the outside edge can be caused by under inflation or hard cornering, cupping isn't normal. As far as I know there is no "normal" alignment interval. Determining when you need an alignment is pretty much dependent upon something occurring that knocks your wheels out of alignment (I.e. hitting a pothole). Abnormal tire wear or the vehicle pulling in one direction are good indicators that you’re out of alignment. Also, AWD vehicles aren't any more susceptible to alignment issues than 2WD ones. My 01 Forester has 57k on the odo and still hasn't needed an alignment (50k on the OE tires).

    -Frank P.
  • maverick1017maverick1017 Member Posts: 212
    their tires aren't that bad. I am on my second set of dueler tires and I have surpassed their 50K warranty mileage and still going strong. no uneven wear, I rotate my tires every 5k miles in the cross pattern, not the factory recommended front-back pattern. No ill effect using the cross pattern and the tires are holding up very well. The duelers that come from the factory are different than the ones sold at the tire dealerships. Remember OEM suppliers are the lowest bidders. That said, I did get over 46k miles from the OEM duelers, would have gotten more if I had paid more attention to tire pressure and alignment, uneven wear = new tires.

    As far as alignment, I try to get one at least once a year if not more. I bought the liftime alignment deal from Bridgestone/Firestone dealer for I think ~$150, that was two years ago, at ~$75 a pop for 4 wheel alignment I got my money's worth in the first year.

    Mike
  • brainlessbozobrainlessbozo Member Posts: 36
    I was driving in my 03 Forester through a storm (not that bad), and was appaled to find I could barely see the lines on the road, and visibility was poor beyond maybe 20-30 feet. Light reflected back from the rain. The fog lights helped a great deal in visualizing the lines on the road.

    After the storm, I again felt I had great lighting. In preparation for snow in the Dakotas, do I need to address this issue any further?

    Do I need to go for the crazy white lights? What other options are there, and at what costs - both $$ and power consumption? I have read about Xenon HID, Hella, etc. (a zoo of lights - none seem satisfied/happy with what they have). Burn out issues are multiple. Blue light is not always better, etc....

    Thanx in advance.

    B
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    23k miles is not a whole lot less than I got. Even if you worked a miracle and got pro-rated credit, it wouldn't be much. Plus, they'd probably give you credit towards another set...

    Now, if you do, ask for Dueler HLs, I've heard those are better (more passenger car oriented).

    As for the lights, I had Hella H4+30 and would not recommend them because none of the bulbs lasted a full year. Imagine being on a two-week road trip and having a bulb burn out. At least have a spare with you at all times (not exactly reliable, eh?).

    Ken has had better luck with another type, I believe. Ken?

    -juice
  • from_awayfrom_away Member Posts: 12
    Frank, no never had the alignment checked. Will do that now when replacing tires. Just made the mistake that it would have been properly aligned when purchased brand new from the dealership and that the alignment would last more than 23,000 miles. Very seldom have taken the Forester off paved roads, and have done no heavey off roading. I feel I drive pretty conserative, so don't feel my driving habits are too blame. It never tracked funny or veered one direction or the other; could drive near hands free on a good smooth road.

    Always kept the air pressure at the proper level and rotated the tires every 7,000 to 8,000 miles. Just bad "karma" maybe?

    Think after reading these posts, I'll bite the bullet and buy 4 new tires and throw the original Dueler spare back in the trunk. The three that are passable sure won't be getting any better. Will probably look at the Yokahoma's.

    Thanks all for input.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Yes, I've had great results with Philips Vision Plus blubs.

    Don't waste your time with any "blue" or "super white" bulb. These bulbs use tinted glass to filter out light to make it give it a faux-HID look. The key word is filter -- the resulting light is lower in lumens than clear bulbs. Also, higher temperature light tends to scatter more in rain/fog. That's exactly why real fog lights often come with yellowish bulbs.

    Also, stay away from higher wattage bulbs on your stock lighting system. The added load can result to the reflector housing melting or, even worse, an electrical fire in your engine bay.

    The Philips Vision Plus are stock wattage. They're not sold in the US so you'll need to order them through some online store. Do a Google search and you should see some retailers.

    Ken
  • mikef11mikef11 Member Posts: 74
    Hold on a second. John in post 12456 said
    "AC dings me by 4-5 mpg in the summer."

    However back on Aug 07, Paisan said
    "It (AC) may bring it (milage) down, but driving style outweighs it considerably. For instance I can drive the same trip at nearly the same speed aproximately 250miles and my milage is not off more than 1mpg w/AC basically if i normally calculate 28mpg with the AC on, with the AC off I calc 28mpg as well it might be 28.1 v. 28.8 but IMHO it's not that great a difference. On the other hand, if I drive like at say 80mph v. 65mph my milage varies by >1mpg.
    AC units these days are pretty efficient."

    That's a considerable difference from person to the next. Are both people correct or is one of the figures off?

    MikeF
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    My summer mpg dropped down to 25-26 from 28.5. I decided that I would sweat for a week without AC and see what the deal was. It was back up to 28.5 again.

    Since I only use the AC in the afternoon (mornings are 70 degrees), the resulting use is about 50% AC. Assuming 25-26 is the AC average overall, then I lose 2.5-3.5 mpg overall, and AC hit ends up being at least 5 mpg when it is on. Keep in mind, not all AC usage is the same--the compressor cycles less with cooler outside climates. For me, the compressor is on 100% of the time because it is 95+.

    John
  • mikef11mikef11 Member Posts: 74
    Your figures really make me wonder how consistent the cars are from car to car. Personally I find I get the same gas milage in winter or summer, AC or no AC.

    The reason I was asking is that a pet peeve of mine is that the AC comes on automatically on defrost or windshield/foot mix. I dislike running something when it is not needed and robbing engine power. Paisan's figures make it much easier to take, yours make me more determined to have this feature disconnected when I buy my next Sube. Even realizing the rationale for this feature, I would think that the worst case milage hit the cars take would have automakers not using it (CAFE calculations and all).

    Curious variation from one car to the next.

    MikeF
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    OK, let me finally make use of my up-to-now useless mileage chart.

    Winter 2002-2003: 24.4
    Spring 2003: 24.4
    Summer 2003: 24.8
    Fall 2003: 26.6

    So I guess the effects of oxygenated gas in the winter hurt mileage more than A/C in the summer! IMHO the A/C is very efficient.

    Fall is better because we did a road trip to CT. Still, it's been warm and I use the A/C to remove condensation from the windshield. It was on the entire trip up to CT.

    I'm on a hot streak with mileage - 8 tanks in a row I've averaged 26 mpg or better! Yeah baby! With my original spark plugs and 55k miles! :-)

    -juice
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    I couldn't let this one pass. FWIW, the new coolant R134 is LESS efficient than the good old freon. If you mean the controllers work better (eg cycling when needed, etc. thereby not on as much) I am not sure I would agree here either. The temp dial usually uses the car's heater to adjust the air temp, which is really bad on mpg (like opening up a window because AC is too cold). I let it blow unadultered; if it gets too cold I turn the fan down. If it is still too cold, hey, I don't need the AC.

    John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's the best way to de-humidify the windshield glass and clear it up, when it's rainy for instance.

    I think it's more efficient than having the windows down. 24.8 mpg overall ain't too shabby, and we used the A/C basically full-time all summer.

    -juice
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    I strongly agree with Ken: Avoid any blue-tinted headlamp bulb. They're for people who care more about how they look than about getting the best vision. I highly recommend either of two bulbs:

    The European Osram Silverstar clear, stock wattage
    NOT the U.S. Sylvania Silverstar with blue tint

    or the Philips Vision +50, also stock wattage.

    I'm using a pair of the Philips bulbs, and they are excellent.

    Either of these bulbs can be ordered from at least 3 U.S. sources:

    http://www.murphskits.com/light.htm?id=67
    This is where I bought mine, at $29/pair shipped.

    or at:
    http://www.suvlights.com

    or at Daniel Stern's site (also an excellent source for lighting information:
    http://lighting.mbz.org/
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I admire your data-taking perseverance. I used to track this with my cars, but gave up after my wife started calling me a dork after every fillup!

    Craig
  • ballisticballistic Member Posts: 1,687
    My wife is just as motivated to record and track mileage data as I. Maybe it's because she's a CPA, too.
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