Hey Group! Well, maybe a couple more weeks and I can say that I'm officially a Jeep owner! Ordered 12/24 and due to be shipped on the 19th. I've been running around like crazy checking out bumpers, nurf bars, hood locks and such. I do have to roadblocks that I need to get some imput on from some of you. 1) Per the dealers I've talked with (and don't we believe everything they say)you can only do UP TO a 2" BODY LIFT or you void "the" warranty. From what I'm reading and hearing from others there doesn't seem to be much of a concern about this. My order includes the 30" tire group, but I'm really wanting to immediately put a "low" lift and slightly larger tires on, basically just for a "looker effect". What's the general opinion from you on the warranty issue and what I might look for to get the look I want? 2) Does anybody have a grill/remote radar detector installed in their Jeep? I'm looking but can't find alot of information. Passing in & out of small towns as I do, it's really a "must have" for me in anything I drive. Thanks in advance for your replies
for add-on's may I suggest www.quadratec.com, some people have had problems with them but I got my rock rails from them at $25 less then they had them for in their magazine. Plus they delivered within the next week. 1)Lift, what kind are you going for, suspension or body? what size tires? What size engine are you getting, auto or manual? Axel size? If you have a 4.0L you can go with just about anything if you've got 3.75 gearing or more. But hey, I know people with the 2.5L that run 33's and love them, so it all depends on what kind of highway use your going to do. I'm going for a Teraflex lift and 31's-33's. 2)Lift and a radar detector? Humm... doesn't make sense? You can't really speed with a lift and bigger tires can you? J/K I saw something in an electronics magazine that had one with a remote grill mount, windshield mount and rear bumper mount. All around protection in other words. I'll try to find the magazine for you.
Try the Valentine One. It mounts inside vehicle (can switch cars, plus it won't get swiped) and has 360 degree coverage. Always gets the best reviews. I am thinking of getting a 4 banger for mileage, and then just adding on exhaust, chip, header, and maybe cam. A little more power and still good economy. Hey, the original WWII Jeeps had 4 bangers, right?
They were 30inch tires. I didn't have a lift on my last jeep. It was a 4 banger and the 30inch tires were about all she could handle. They did great in snow and mud. They were very noisy on the hwy but good. Do you think I can get 31's on the sahara I/ out a lift.
spyrodragon Check out this lift. The rockcralwer verison is cheaper than the price you have listed for Tera. The tera is a good system as far as I know though http://www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?HTNAME=jeep/rancho/susp1.html&UID=2001011216420806 I don't know of a good place for axles and gears. You may be alright with the ones you have. I think quadratec has them though. I think the 3" would work with 33's, unless you get one of the interco tires. Most tires are not true to the size but the interco tires are. Going for the 4" may be worth it though. It is a tough call. Depends if you ever would want to go bigger.
wleeke I hate body lifts and I would not get one. Get a spacer lift or suspension if you can afford it. I would never put a 3" BL on a Jeep. I won't go more than 1". They look ugly and can cause problems. I think the best route is a spacer lift. The warranty issue depends on the dealer. Some will say anything will void it and some won't. Talk to the service manager and find a good dealer to use.
eagle63 They say you can only have 31's. I am sure you could fit 32's but if you off-road the wheels may end up rubbing so I would not put 32's if you are gonna off-road
eagle63: "They say you can only have 31's. I am sure you could fit 32's but if you off-road the wheels may end up rubbing so I would not put 32's if you are gonna off-road "
If you are not going off-road, then why go with 32's? Duh?
I have a 4" Skyjacker Suspension lift on my TJ (with 33x12.50's) and I could easily fit 35's. I am sure the 3" Teraflex would make enough room for the 32's and probably even 33's.
I agree with Texasjeep.....I would NEVER get a body lift on my Jeep!!
Thanks for all the input on my question concerning the lift, tire & warranty issue. I did some checking around today and priced out a 2 1/2" SUSPENSION lift & 32" tires. All I had to do was hear the words "body lift" and "ugly" in the same sentence and that was enough to change my mind! I'll talk to a local dealership here that I will be using for service issues, see what they say and go from there. I've decided if they void out the transmission warranty then so be it, it's my toy and I wanna have it my way (just like Burger King). Thanks again for the input!
Spyrodragon: Yeah, I'd really appreciate the info on the radar detector. Might not ever need it, but always like to know when their coming around me
I just ordered my new Jeep today. Can't wait to get it! Could someone please tell me about the Jeep wheels and tires. The 30" wheels were a little small for me. I would rather have something larger.
1. Can larger tires still fit on the 15" X 8" wheels or do I have to upgrade?
2.If so does it make sense to get them. Shouldn't I just purchase the tire/wheel package after market?
3. What are some popular aftermarket tires? I think spyro mentioned thornbirds. Does anyone have a picture.
Thanks Guys! Looking forward to be aprt of the Jeep crowd.
Some larger tires will fit on the 15x8 but I'm not sure exactly which ones and what size. The problem you get into when you put larger tires on the standard wheels is that you rub the frame at full lock, so you have to get spacers or add some extra washers into the turning bumpstops so they can't turn that far. The good thing about sticking with original wheels is that they are center hub mounted so they stay center, where as almost all after market ones mount on just the lugs. As far as larger tires... I'm actually looking at Yokohama Geolanders, this guy at a jeep meet that I went to today had them on and they are good on road and a fairly agressive off-road tire. They have a bit more aggressive tread than AT's but not as much as MT's. The whole Swamper line is popular off road, just pick to suit... SSR's TSL's, Thornbirds. Goodyear MT's and AT's are pretty popular too. Hope this Helps.
hood lock... www.quadratec.com check them out. They should have some. Put in this # under "use magazine to search" function... 13103@... should come up.
The stock Jeep NJ will fit 31" tires without too much rubbing. I would definetaly use the 15x8 wheels and not the 15x7. Most people will experience a little rubbing at full articulation with the front axle disconnected with the 31" and to use a 32" a spacer lift of 1.5" should be the starting point. The Thornbird are excellent tires for off road but on road they are a loud tire and they don't have a very good thread life. If your Jeep is strictly used off road get the Thornbirds but if it sees more road then dirt, then you may want to compromise.
After 7 years and lots of shopping and waiting, I finally got it. A shiny new 2001 Patriot Blue Sport, 5 speed, loaded.
Spyro - thanks for the Quadratec link. Looks like lots of goodies there.
How many of you with the dual tops have taken out the soft top for storage while the hard top is on? Looks like the soft top is safer where it is - rolled up in the back.
I currently have the 30" tires on mine but I want a little bigger. I saw a TJ with 31" swampers the other day and it looked great. I know that I don't really need a lift to fit 31's but I still think I'm gonna go with 1.5" spacer or maybe a 2 1/2" lift from skyjacker. Any suggestions?
I'm also getting front and rear ARB lockers. I think front and rear lockers with 31" tires will be better than 33 or 35 without lockers.
I ordered 7 videos from Rick Russell at Quadratec and they're a lot of fun to watch I ordered: 4wheeling basics Moab, Utah with Hummers and Jeeps "GREAT" Rubicon Trail "Don't have it yet, Back order" Colorado Trail Volume 1 Colorado Trail Volume 2 Arizona trail Tellico Trails North Carolina
If anybody has other great videos and would like to trade just e-mail me and we'll go over the details dpage35925@aol.com
gcl98- I took my soft top out after the first time I had it up and put the hard top back on. I think the way it comes from the factory it would be OK to be left in, but once you have it up and unfolded it would be a little difficult to get it to fit back into that same small space.
The dealer (bless his heart) just called me and told me that he got a jeep today that is a ditto copy of my order minus the sentry and the subwoofer. Well guess I'll get an alarm and a new sound system for little more after market. What do you guys think?
Just got back from the dealer. He was very informed (NOT). I was trying to get him to tell me what he would charge me for a Jeep he had to order for me. My questions:
1. The way I understand it the 30" tire group comes with the Dana 44-3 Axle. Now, is that with traction lock or do you need to specify that???
2. I figure the tow hooks and fog lights are a good idea just to get the fog light switch all set up and wired. Yes? No?
3. Is the rear seat removable or does it just flip forward? I actually had to show the salesman how to flip the seat up!
I guess that's about it, I'd like to keep it pretty basic, no Sentry Key, no steps, no add a trunk...
So it's gonna be a Sport, 5 Speed, Air, 30" Tire group, Trac Lock, Cruise, CD, Subwoofer, Hard Top, Deep Tint, Fog Lamps & Hooks. Any thing I missed, any suggestions? I'm gonna try to push him down to 22,000 or so. Does that sound reasonable?
I'm not saying I got the best deal in the world, but any information like this that you can get will better prepare you to get the best possible deal: it will serve as a basis of comparison. I give the whole story of my shopping experience on this web page, and I give all the details about the final deal I made. I also include the coded option list that was actually used by the dealer to place my order. To sum up my deal, I got the new Jeep for $200.00 over invoice and they gave me $1000.00 more than average trade-in value on my Grand Prix that I traded-in on the Jeep.
If you will read the story included on my web page, you will see that there is a HUGE difference in the deal you get from one dealer to another.
Ahmed2r: Just because the dealer is getting a Jeep close to what you want, don't go jumping on it unless he gives you a great deal. Jeeps aren't selling well and there is no back log on orders. It only took me three weeks and two days to get my Jeep after it was ordred! So, my friend, take your time to check at several dealers and be sure to get your best deal. If you order from the factory, you can get exactly the equipment you want.
davidb72: I got the 30" tire and Canyon wheel option, which included the Dana 44, but there are three different canyon wheel options, and I don't know if they all include the Dana 44 or not. I know that the option I ordered was the most expensive of the three canyon wheel groups ($850.00), and it DID include the Dana 44. It does not include trac loc, but if you are already getting the Dana 44, the trac loc is only an extra $285.00, and from all I've heard it is well worth it. I wish I had known the benefit of it when I ordered my Jeep!
If either of you guys need any more info, please feel free to email me. My email address is public on my Edmunds profile.
CONGRATULATIONS!!! I don't see how you managed to wait seven years after coming down with Wrangler Fever. I only had it a few months before I finally got my Thelma Jane, and I thought I was going to die!
Post some pics of that baby! Now, you know you need to give him/her a name, don't you? You don't want to hurt his/her feelings.
Wow, sounds like you got a pretty good deal. I wish I lived a little closer to that dealer, they sound like they were great to deal with. The two I was at today were completely clueless! They don't know [non-permissible content removed] about their product, it's pretty sad.
Like I think I suggested on my web page, you really ought to find a dealer that knows how to package out a Jeep. Tell them exactly what you want, as if you were going to order from the factory. Have them make you their best no-trade-in deal, so you will know exactly what they are doing for you on the new Jeep in relation to invoice cost.
Then, if you are going to trade in a vehicle, have them make you a trade-in offer.
Next, you can take the printout of the Jeep you want, and go to other dealers, letting them make their offers in the same manner. You will have an apples to apples comparison, because you are getting prices on exactly the same new Jeep. Start with a no-trade-in deal on the new Jeep at each new dealer you go to. Then tell them about your trade-in. If you let them start working a deal after they know what you are trading-in, then you are allowing them to play games with the trade-in, and you won't really know what kind of deal you are getting.
One dealer I went to, the second one, was trying to charge me twice for the Dana 44. I was getting it anyway as part of the 30" tire/canyon wheel package, but he was going to charge me for it again separately! I think it was an honest mistake on his part, but when the mistake was discovered, I'll just bet the dealer would have kept his mouth shut about it, and if I never noticed it, they would have kept the extra profit.
It is really, really important to go somewhere where they have a guy who has experience ordering Jeeps. Even if this doesn't turn out to be where you end up buying, at least you will have the proper options and their respective codes.
I'll help you any way I can, so email me if you need more info.
Congrats on the jeep buddy. Hope you like it As for the soft top, I found that with it wraped up in the back it hindered being able to get larger objects into the back with the seat folded forward. It sits right in the middle so anything bigger than the rear hardtop glass window won't go in. But with it out, you can get much bigger objects in the back with the seat folded forward. But I solved this hole thing with a roof rack
Sounds like your going to be doing some serious off-roading if your dropping in dual ARB's. Lockers will be a tremendous help. First off, if your getting a lift and want to do off roading, I suggest the suspension lift instead of a spacer lift. The suspension lift allows you more flex where as a spacer decreases flex droop. If your doing alot of froading then you will want swamper M/T's. But if your not, then they get terrible milage on-road. Plus they are LOUD! I'm assuming that you do on road travel a good bit because you are getting ARB's instead of Detroits. For mannual engaging lockers there is a new one out called an OX-Locker. It's cable engaged instead of air driven like the ARB so you don't need a compressor. It's a little more expensive though $630. If you want the website just let me know and I'll find it. By the way, what are you geared to? 4.10 I'm assuming since you have the D44 and 5-speed. what are you running up front? D30? As for tires, there is a fairly new one out called Geolanders. www.yokohamatire.com Good in snow, sand, hills, and quiet on road... not swapers but a good everyday driver alternative. As for 31" they be fine unless your running really deep stuff, plus they'll give you good amount of flex room. Hope this Helps.
Here's something you can add in to get... LOTS O MUD!!! You've gotta get it dirty at least once... It's so much fun to do. but seriously, if you want steps, look into rock rails with steps. I got the reverse-a-bar from olympic that I ordered through quadratec, and I really like them, very "Jeep" looking... or hey I could sell you my factory steps for $40+ plus shipping and handling (but you really don't want steps do you?)If you don't then maybe Rocker Panel protectors. Plus make SURE that your getting a D44, I think it comes standard with the 5-speed though.
Thanks! I guess I'll trake your advice. I still dont know why those two options cannot be changed at the dealer? I guess the sentry key is just an upgraded ignition plus key. However I would think that all jeeps probably come with the same ignition and just have keys programmed at the dealer. He said he could put in the subwoofer though. I agree with you, I wont hurry. He is giving me the same deal on it so that is not a problem. Does any aftermarket alarm which I was think of putting in anyway has a sentry key option?
Okay, let's say you have the 30X9.50 tires. What are the possible upgrade sizes? I see 31X10.50R15, and also 255/75R15 tires and 265/75R15 tires. What is best for increasing clearance? I live in New England, and would ride on road 5 miles back roads to work, and also plan on doing some off roading, and like to ski the day after a blizzard. I DON'T plan on doing the Rubicon, but medium off road work. Probably a tread pattern biased toward road ride, with bruise resistance and some grip for off road. Bonus questions: What size did 1950's military JEEPs have? Would those fit today's JEEP? Could they? SHOULD they?
Thanks for your response. I'm basically all confuse now. Scenario 1 31"x10.5 with a spacer lift (Very inexpensive)
Scenario 2 31x10.5 with 2 1/2" suspension lift and ARB's or OX lockers (Much more $$)
Scenario 3 33x12.5 with 2 1/2" suspension, maybe 1" Body lift, ARB's or OX lockers, change my 3.73 gears for a 4.10, change the front and rear bumpers, 9500 warn winch, roof rack, change my D30 front axle for a D44, change my D44 rear axle for a D60, That would be enough for now. The only problem is $$$$$$$$$$
Scenario 4 36x12.50 .....
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's no limit. It gets very addicting and that's what I'm afraid of.
You do know the JEEP is Just Empty Every Pocket. My advice is to do the upgrade as you go along. Take the stock jeep out and then see what you need. Not everyone needs lockers, 33" tires and a 4" lift. Some people just like running the trails and staying from the rocks. For the extreme off roaders who wants to crawl over rocks, logs and streams, then get all the toys.
sorry I got you confused. I get a little carried away sometimes, Just ask dragonfly. But sfjeeps is exactly right. Find out what you like to do then build up for it. If you just wanna run street, then get the spacers and the 31's if you want to run trails go for your scenario 2 (minus the lockers, don't really need them on just trails). If you want to get serious then obviously scenario 3 is great! (that one was my personal favorite). But it all depends on what you want to do, have a looker or a performer? I just say have fun!
They are 33x12.50's. They do stick out a few inches past the flares, but almost every Jeep I have ever seen with 12.50's or 14.50's has the same look. I am thinking about getting wider flares, but I haven't found any that I like too well yet.
Does anyone know of a 6-7" wide flare that does not droop and still looks good?
Guess it's back to the fax machine tomorrow! Still pushing for 22000.00 w/dest. They must think I'm a real pain in the [non-permissible content removed]!!!!
Oh, anybody interested in a slightly used Ford Ranger? Probably stupid to get rid of it, but three vehicles is probably too many, and there is no way I'm getting rid of my Miata!
That better offer of the two doesn't sound too bad. Just use $200.00 over invoice as your guide. I don't remember seeing anyone post a deal better than $200.00 over invoice. You must be pretty close to that with the $22,469.00 offer.
Now, just don't let them screw you on trade-in, if your are going to trade-in a vehicle. I got the new Jeep for $200.00 over invoice AND $1000.00 more than average trade-in value for my Grand Prix GT.
You can just call as many dealers as you want to on the new Jeep, and have them quote you a price in relation to invoice. The trade-in complicates things, though. It would be good to sell your trade-in vehicle yourself, if you can afford to get the new Jeep and still hang on to your trade-in vehicle for a while. In my case, that wasn't possible.
I have 2000 miles on Thelma Jane, so I had her oil changed for the first time today. I will be going to Mobil 1 at 5000 miles.
The kid didn't ask me what viscosity oil I wanted, and I just assumed he knew that Thelma should get 10W-30. After I got back to work I thought about the fact that the kid didn't ask me, so I called back to the GM dealership where I had the oil changed and asked what was put in. The kid said he put in 5W-30, so I went back and they drained the oil and put 10W-30 in. The filter was taken off, and as much oil as possible was drained from it. Then it was put back on, since it was a new filter. Now, you can't get all the oil out of the filter, so I ended up with about a half a quart of 5W-30 still in the filter when the 10W-30 was put in. (It only took 5.5 quarts to fill the crankcase the second time, whereas it tool 6 quarts the first time when the filter was also changed.)
Does anyone think that a half a quart of 5W-30 mixed with the 5.5 quarts of 10W-30 will hurt anything. I know you are not supposed to mix oil viscosities, but will just a half a quart really hurt anything?
I went to that GM dealer for service because they have done a good job for me over the years no matter what brand of car I had. They didn't have the right filter in stock and had to get one delivered from an auto parts store the first time the oil was changed. I'm sure they would have changed the filter the second time, but I didn't want to wait around for another filter to be delivered, even though it didn't take too long the first time.
I thought this would be a good place to give a warning about wearing seat belts. two days ago, I was on route 84 heading from MA to NY. it was snowing and icy and I hit an ice patch. went spinning from the middle lane all the way over to a snow bank where I rolled over. when I opened my eyes, I was upside down, stuck in my seat belt. some passer-by people helped me out of the jeep. the cops, the helpers and the ambulance people were looking for the victim. I didn't have a scratch on me. I've heard that jeeps roll, never wanted to believe it. but, I felt totally safe. the jeep is totalled, but if i didn't have my seatbelt on, i wouldn't be writing this letter right now.
Back in september I got a 2001 jeep wrangler sport for 21728. It has the subwoofer, fog lights, tinted soft top, cd, canyon wheels, running boards, and hard doors. It basically has every option except for the hard top and ABS.
I would say you have no problem mixing viscosity. I would be more worried about the oil filter gasket not mating correctly after installation/removal/installation. I would worry a little about mixing regular oil with synthetic, but not too much. A quart here or there wouldn't hurt in a pinch. Plus, do you really think your drained filter holds a half quart? That is TWO CUPS OF OIL. I doubt it. Good luck.
I got a 2001 sahara last month. It has dual tops, chip in the key, add a trunk, auto, 30inch pkg. Loaded! sticker was 26,255 I got it out the door for 23,800. Tax was $700 alone. I don't know what the invoice was but I'm pretty sure it was around 23,500. I got this jeep atleast $500 under invoice. My advice is go to a 5 star dealer. They make $$$$ off of good surveys and the # of cars they sell. Sales are slow right now so I wouldn't pay invoice or over right now. Just my 2 cents. My sahara has 1,600 miles on her and runs like a champ.
Hey guy and gals I'm interested in getting a jeep wrangler. I'm 17 and the only problem is finding one cheep enough and convincing my mom that they are safe. I already have another car, a '73 dodge dart swinger with a v-8 so I was planning on getting a wrangler that was 4 cylinder so I would get better gas mileage. I was wondering if there has been any problems with the 4 cylinders and I also wanted to get a 5 speed. Any special things to watch out for? I'm gonna be getting a yj cause I don't have the funds for a new one. My friend has a '89 that I have driven and they seem to actually be more stable that I thought it was going to be. I know you can still flip them but I always were my seat belt and that roll bar is there. Any ideas on how they are in there area's of safety and ways to convince my mom that I should be able to get it. Thanks, Dan
4 banger with 5-speed, just hope you don't expect to pull out in front of anyone Very slow getting off the line, but good off-road. Hills will be a pain but you'll get used to it. My girlfriend has a 4 banger and loves it. The gas milage difference is only about 2 mpg more than a 6. One safety element is Roll Cage! and if they do flip there isn't all that steel roof to trap you inside if it catches on fire, you can get out easily. Plus, any car can flip if driven carlessly (had a lowrider flip right in front of me while he was trying to show off). Just drive her like she's ment to be driven.
Hi, I'm the girlfriend. Yeah, I have a 4 banger and I love him. YJs are ok, just gotta graft some round headlights on there. ) '97 TJs run for about $8,000-10,000 around here, two of my friends are looking for one.
On how they're driven. There have been times I was sure I was about to die cause of Spyrodragon's turns. On road and in mud. With the extra weight of a roof rack on top, the TJ was still fine.
Anyway, he has a good point. I think several other people have already mentioned it before. Drive the Jeep like it's meant to be driven and you'll have no problems. That's about it.
I thought there was no roll bar in Jeeps, only a "light bar" or something to that effect. Also, drive it like it is a Jeep, not a sports car, or even a regular car. As far as 4 cyl/5 spd, I would think they do better than the original WWII Jeeps and VW bugs and mail jeeps, many of which are still on the road. Tell your mom they are slower, it might count for some points.
Man, it sounds like you got a killer deal on that Sahara! Way to go!
You didn't mention a trade-in, and I'm wondering if you made a clean deal with no trade-in? If you did trade in a vehicle, did you have to "take it in the shorts" a little on trade-in allowance in order to get that deal on the new Sahara?
Yes, I think it's possible that a "drained" oil filter might hold a half a quart of oil.
Oil gets trapped between the outer shell of the filter and the pleated paper around the center tube. The anti-drainback valve keeps the oil from running out the holes around the circumference of the end plate, which is the path the oil takes to get into the filter, and the paper keeps the oil from going into the center tube when there is no suction to pull it through the paper. The oil that is still in the center tube is what runs out when a used filter is first unscrewed from the engine block.
You are right about the possibility that the gasket might not seal good the second time the filter is installed. I was worried about that and had the kid check for a leak after I started the engine and let it run a few minutes.
I'm still afraid that it might let go all at once, and I think I'm going to ask them to put a new filter on just for my peace of mind.
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1) Per the dealers I've talked with (and don't we believe everything they say)you can only do UP TO a 2" BODY LIFT or you void "the" warranty. From what I'm reading and hearing from others there doesn't seem to be much of a concern about this. My order includes the 30" tire group, but I'm really wanting to immediately put a "low" lift and slightly larger tires on, basically just for a "looker effect". What's the general opinion from you on the warranty issue and what I might look for to get the look I want?
2) Does anybody have a grill/remote radar detector installed in their Jeep? I'm looking but can't find alot of information. Passing in & out of small towns as I do, it's really a "must have" for me in anything I drive.
Thanks in advance for your replies
1)Lift, what kind are you going for, suspension or body? what size tires? What size engine are you getting, auto or manual? Axel size? If you have a 4.0L you can go with just about anything if you've got 3.75 gearing or more. But hey, I know people with the 2.5L that run 33's and love them, so it all depends on what kind of highway use your going to do. I'm going for a Teraflex lift and 31's-33's.
2)Lift and a radar detector? Humm... doesn't make sense? You can't really speed with a lift and bigger tires can you?
Check out this lift. The rockcralwer verison is cheaper than the price you have listed for Tera.
The tera is a good system as far as I know though
http://www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?HTNAME=jeep/rancho/susp1.html&UID=2001011216420806
I don't know of a good place for axles and gears. You may be alright with the ones you have. I think quadratec has them though. I think the 3" would work with 33's, unless you get one of the interco tires. Most tires are not true to the size but the interco tires are. Going for the 4" may be worth it though. It is a tough call. Depends if you ever would want to go bigger.
wleeke
I hate body lifts and I would not get one. Get a spacer lift or suspension if you can afford it. I would never put a 3" BL on a Jeep. I won't go more than 1". They look ugly and can cause problems. I think the best route is a spacer lift. The warranty issue depends on the dealer. Some will say anything will void it and some won't. Talk to the service manager and find a good dealer to use.
eagle63
They say you can only have 31's. I am sure you could fit 32's but if you off-road the wheels may end up rubbing so I would not put 32's if you are gonna off-road
If you are not going off-road, then why go with 32's? Duh?
I agree with Texasjeep.....I would NEVER get a body lift on my Jeep!!
I'll talk to a local dealership here that I will be using for service issues, see what they say and go from there. I've decided if they void out the transmission warranty then so be it, it's my toy and I wanna have it my way (just like Burger King).
Thanks again for the input!
Spyrodragon:
Yeah, I'd really appreciate the info on the radar detector. Might not ever need it, but always like to know when their coming around me
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1. Can larger tires still fit on the 15" X 8" wheels or do I have to upgrade?
2.If so does it make sense to get them. Shouldn't I just purchase the tire/wheel package after market?
3. What are some popular aftermarket tires? I think spyro mentioned thornbirds. Does anyone have a picture.
Thanks Guys! Looking forward to be aprt of the Jeep crowd.
Spyro - thanks for the Quadratec link. Looks like lots of goodies there.
How many of you with the dual tops have taken out the soft top for storage while the hard top is on?
Looks like the soft top is safer where it is - rolled up in the back.
I know that I don't really need a lift to fit 31's but I still think I'm gonna go with 1.5" spacer or maybe a 2 1/2" lift from skyjacker.
Any suggestions?
I'm also getting front and rear ARB lockers. I think front and rear lockers with 31" tires will be better than 33 or 35 without lockers.
What do you guys think.
Here's a few pictures of my jeep after I bought it.
http://hometown.aol.com/dpage35925
I ordered:
4wheeling basics
Moab, Utah with Hummers and Jeeps "GREAT"
Rubicon Trail "Don't have it yet, Back order"
Colorado Trail Volume 1
Colorado Trail Volume 2
Arizona trail
Tellico Trails North Carolina
If anybody has other great videos and would like to trade just e-mail me and we'll go over the details
dpage35925@aol.com
I took my soft top out after the first time I had it up and put the hard top back on. I think the way it comes from the factory it would be OK to be left in, but once you have it up and unfolded it would be a little difficult to get it to fit back into that same small space.
1. The way I understand it the 30" tire group comes with the Dana 44-3 Axle. Now, is that with traction lock or do you need to specify that???
2. I figure the tow hooks and fog lights are a good idea just to get the fog light switch all set up and wired. Yes? No?
3. Is the rear seat removable or does it just flip forward? I actually had to show the salesman how to flip the seat up!
I guess that's about it, I'd like to keep it pretty basic, no Sentry Key, no steps, no add a trunk...
So it's gonna be a Sport, 5 Speed, Air, 30" Tire group, Trac Lock, Cruise, CD, Subwoofer, Hard Top, Deep Tint, Fog Lamps & Hooks. Any thing I missed, any suggestions? I'm gonna try to push him down to 22,000 or so. Does that sound reasonable?
I'm not saying I got the best deal in the world, but any information like this that you can get will better prepare you to get the best possible deal: it will serve as a basis of comparison. I give the whole story of my shopping experience on this web page, and I give all the details about the final deal I made. I also include the coded option list that was actually used by the dealer to place my order. To sum up my deal, I got the new Jeep for $200.00 over invoice and they gave me $1000.00 more than average trade-in value on my Grand Prix that I traded-in on the Jeep.
If you will read the story included on my web page, you will see that there is a HUGE difference in the deal you get from one dealer to another.
Ahmed2r: Just because the dealer is getting a Jeep close to what you want, don't go jumping on it unless he gives you a great deal. Jeeps aren't selling well and there is no back log on orders. It only took me three weeks and two days to get my Jeep after it was ordred! So, my friend, take your time to check at several dealers and be sure to get your best deal. If you order from the factory, you can get exactly the equipment you want.
davidb72: I got the 30" tire and Canyon wheel option, which included the Dana 44, but there are three different canyon wheel options, and I don't know if they all include the Dana 44 or not. I know that the option I ordered was the most expensive of the three canyon wheel groups ($850.00), and it DID include the Dana 44. It does not include trac loc, but if you are already getting the Dana 44, the trac loc is only an extra $285.00, and from all I've heard it is well worth it. I wish I had known the benefit of it when I ordered my Jeep!
If either of you guys need any more info, please feel free to email me. My email address is public on my Edmunds profile.
Best wishes in your search for a Jeep and a deal.
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Post some pics of that baby! Now, you know you need to give him/her a name, don't you? You don't want to hurt his/her feelings.
Once again, congrats.
tsjay
Have you hugged that Patriot Blue Sport today?
Then, if you are going to trade in a vehicle, have them make you a trade-in offer.
Next, you can take the printout of the Jeep you want, and go to other dealers, letting them make their offers in the same manner. You will have an apples to apples comparison, because you are getting prices on exactly the same new Jeep. Start with a no-trade-in deal on the new Jeep at each new dealer you go to. Then tell them about your trade-in. If you let them start working a deal after they know what you are trading-in, then you are allowing them to play games with the trade-in, and you won't really know what kind of deal you are getting.
One dealer I went to, the second one, was trying to charge me twice for the Dana 44. I was getting it anyway as part of the 30" tire/canyon wheel package, but he was going to charge me for it again separately! I think it was an honest mistake on his part, but when the mistake was discovered, I'll just bet the dealer would have kept his mouth shut about it, and if I never noticed it, they would have kept the extra profit.
It is really, really important to go somewhere where they have a guy who has experience ordering Jeeps. Even if this doesn't turn out to be where you end up buying, at least you will have the proper options and their respective codes.
I'll help you any way I can, so email me if you need more info.
tsjay
As for the soft top, I found that with it wraped up in the back it hindered being able to get larger objects into the back with the seat folded forward. It sits right in the middle so anything bigger than the rear hardtop glass window won't go in. But with it out, you can get much bigger objects in the back with the seat folded forward. But I solved this hole thing with a roof rack
I'm basically all confuse now.
Scenario 1
31"x10.5 with a spacer lift (Very inexpensive)
Scenario 2
31x10.5 with 2 1/2" suspension lift and ARB's or OX lockers (Much more $$)
Scenario 3
33x12.5 with 2 1/2" suspension, maybe 1" Body lift, ARB's or OX lockers, change my 3.73 gears for a 4.10, change the front and rear bumpers, 9500 warn winch, roof rack, change my D30 front axle for a D44, change my D44 rear axle for a D60, That would be enough for now. The only problem is $$$$$$$$$$
Scenario 4
36x12.50 .....
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's no limit. It gets very addicting and that's what I'm afraid of.
Does anyone know of a 6-7" wide flare that does not droop and still looks good?
MSRP- 24305.00 w/dest.
Best offer- 22469.00 w/dest.
2nd best- 22605.00 w/dest.
Edmunds TMV- 22174.00 w/dest.
Guess it's back to the fax machine tomorrow!
Still pushing for 22000.00 w/dest.
They must think I'm a real pain in the [non-permissible content removed]!!!!
Oh, anybody interested in a slightly used Ford Ranger? Probably stupid to get rid of it, but three vehicles is probably too many, and there is no way I'm getting rid of my Miata!
Now, just don't let them screw you on trade-in, if your are going to trade-in a vehicle. I got the new Jeep for $200.00 over invoice AND $1000.00 more than average trade-in value for my Grand Prix GT.
You can just call as many dealers as you want to on the new Jeep, and have them quote you a price in relation to invoice. The trade-in complicates things, though. It would be good to sell your trade-in vehicle yourself, if you can afford to get the new Jeep and still hang on to your trade-in vehicle for a while. In my case, that wasn't possible.
Keep us posted on your progress!
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
The kid didn't ask me what viscosity oil I wanted, and I just assumed he knew that Thelma should get 10W-30. After I got back to work I thought about the fact that the kid didn't ask me, so I called back to the GM dealership where I had the oil changed and asked what was put in. The kid said he put in 5W-30, so I went back and they drained the oil and put 10W-30 in. The filter was taken off, and as much oil as possible was drained from it. Then it was put back on, since it was a new filter. Now, you can't get all the oil out of the filter, so I ended up with about a half a quart of 5W-30 still in the filter when the 10W-30 was put in. (It only took 5.5 quarts to fill the crankcase the second time, whereas it tool 6 quarts the first time when the filter was also changed.)
Does anyone think that a half a quart of 5W-30 mixed with the 5.5 quarts of 10W-30 will hurt anything. I know you are not supposed to mix oil viscosities, but will just a half a quart really hurt anything?
I went to that GM dealer for service because they have done a good job for me over the years no matter what brand of car I had. They didn't have the right filter in stock and had to get one delivered from an auto parts store the first time the oil was changed. I'm sure they would have changed the filter the second time, but I didn't want to wait around for another filter to be delivered, even though it didn't take too long the first time.
What do you guys think?
tsjay
On how they're driven. There have been times I was sure I was about to die cause of Spyrodragon's turns. On road and in mud. With the extra weight of a roof rack on top, the TJ was still fine.
Anyway, he has a good point. I think several other people have already mentioned it before. Drive the Jeep like it's meant to be driven and you'll have no problems. That's about it.
Alee and Sparx
http://sparx.muddyyellowjeep.com
You didn't mention a trade-in, and I'm wondering if you made a clean deal with no trade-in? If you did trade in a vehicle, did you have to "take it in the shorts" a little on trade-in allowance in order to get that deal on the new Sahara?
tsjay
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Oil gets trapped between the outer shell of the filter and the pleated paper around the center tube. The anti-drainback valve keeps the oil from running out the holes around the circumference of the end plate, which is the path the oil takes to get into the filter, and the paper keeps the oil from going into the center tube when there is no suction to pull it through the paper. The oil that is still in the center tube is what runs out when a used filter is first unscrewed from the engine block.
You are right about the possibility that the gasket might not seal good the second time the filter is installed. I was worried about that and had the kid check for a leak after I started the engine and let it run a few minutes.
I'm still afraid that it might let go all at once, and I think I'm going to ask them to put a new filter on just for my peace of mind.
tsjay