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Jeep Wrangler



  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    I've traded email with a handful of people that have done the OME lift and everyone has stated they got at least 2.5". Tonkadave got 3" out of his and it didn't settle. I will let you know (via email) who I order it from and price, but everyone is right around $625 and I'd prefer to give the business to someone like James as opposed to Qtec.

  • jptjjptj Posts: 53
    On my 98 the distance between the top of the soundbar padding and the "peak" on the soft top is 2.625 inches. Hope this will help
  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    Dating your spouse before marriage. You kept spending money to get to the point in your life that you would be totally happy.

    Also, the most fun you can have fully clothed.

    I am still a happy camper.
  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    I appreciate you taking the time to measure it for me. Looks like I'll be OK and have enough room to clear without any real issues.
    Thanks again.
  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    ... a Swiss Army Knife. You can get them in lots of different kinds and sizes, but they are all very useful and fun to own in thier own way. New ones are great, but classic and vintage ones are even cooler.

    ... a license to make yourself a little bit cooler. I don't know anyone that doesn't think they are just a little bit more hip when driving their Jeep. You either look cooler or have the aire of someone that beats to a different drummer.

    ... giving a big black eye to conformity. On paper, a Jeep is almost laughable given it's fuel efficiency, noise, lack of storage, and primitiveness. The fact that we can appreciate, use, and enjoy them for what they are makes me feel better about not driving a Civic (no offense to Civic owners!).

    I'm sure there are more, but these are the ones that rolled out of my head first.

  • bamatazzbamatazz Posts: 311
    A cool sensation like skiiing..wait thats york pepermeint patty..
    A jeep is like ejoying freedom as an American should feel
    Michelle & I thank you for all the anniversary wishes. She says your can send the anniversary presents to the followinf address.... :) This is gotta be the greatest message board on the 'net.
    Still going topless & doorless today! Whatta a great feeling!!
    I should have bought a JEEP along time ago!

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY JEEP BOY.. mine is next month.

  • cgrabercgraber Posts: 4
    I currently have an 87 Cherokee 2WD w/ 155,000 miles. Company is relocating me from California to Hawaii for about 2 years. I'm worried about the work that may need to be done on my current vehicle (and the dollars spent out there) once I move.

    My current solution is to buy a base Wrangler for under $16,000 (ship from CA to HI). I don't want to spend a lot of money. Many friends are suggesting that I get the X for the inline 6, but I really don't want all the extra features. When I return, I can always sell Wrangler I to get bigger Wrangler II...

    Am I really gonna regret not getting the 6 cyl.? Can anyone advise on this situation?
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I've never been to Hawaii, but from pictures I have seen, there are mountains everywhere, and that little 4 banger ain't gonna climb steep grades real well.

    Also, think about resale value. You will recover a good portion of that extra expense when you sell the Jeep. It may even help you sell the Jeep quicker. I never heard of anyone looking to buy a used Jeep who was specifically looking for the four cylinder, but I have known of several people looking for a used Jeep who would only consider one with the six.

    Just my opinion, for whatever it's worth.


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • goducks1goducks1 Posts: 432
    A general observation from several years of being on this board: no one who gets the 6 ever wishes they had gotten the 4, but plenty of people who get the 4 wish they had gotten the 6. I don't think I was the first to state this, but I fully concur. I've had both, and believe me, it's a world of difference.

    The only other reason you might consider the 4, besides the initial cost, is that it does use a bit less gas especially around town. Not much--maybe 2 or 3 mpg--but consider that gas prices are very high in Hawaii (even higher than in California) and it might be another reason to consider the 4.
  • cgrabercgraber Posts: 4
    I have read that the 4-banger really doesn't get much better gas mileage than the I6 because it has to work harder. BUT, it would be a big factor with my drive. I most likely will be doing some commuting (no more then 1/2 hour each way) to the construction site. I don't think I mentioned the fact that it will be getting dirty WHILE at work!

    I figure I won't be doing any heavy 4-wheeling, considering I will be by myself (without experience) and will be touring more than crawling.

    Another thing is: the idea of having a stripped wrangler (no back seat, no carpet, no radio or roll-up windows, etc.) REALLY appeals to me (not to mention the cheaper monthly payments). Its the closest I can get to an old military Jeep for now.

    Thanks for all your input, its much appreciated. If only the SE would come with the six!
  • dwranglerdwrangler Posts: 127
    Yes, both the used Sahara (black) and the Patriot Blue X have air (thank God!); St. Louis is infamous for our hot sticky weather during the summer...but wait five minutes and it'll change ;)

    No, I haven't talked to the guy yet...everytime I plan to the weather has been nasty with lightening and the like and I don't want to get caught in that driving or on the phone talking to him. I'm gonna try again tomorrow and call before another thunderstorm rolls in. I'll let ya know.

  • Cgraber, I can't be any more empahatic...get the 6 cylinder if at all possible! I bought a 4 cylinder a few months ago and I had a hard time going up some mild hills in Delaware! It became a chore just driving around town. The engine has to work double time and even at that, it doesn't keep up with hills or traffic. I then sold it and bought a 6 cylinder, wow, what a difference. The thing is, I read all the posts on this board and many others where people said "buy the 6!" and I ignored them rationalizing that I don't need speed and I wanted better gas mileage. That and the lower price convinced me. Believe it or not I'm getting better gas mileage, probably because I had to work the 4 (high rpm's) to keep up. Also, It's not really about speed so much as power. The 6 is no speed demon but the power seems effortless. My advice is to test drive both extensively. See if you can live with the 4. If so it's still a he** of a vehicle! You can't drive anything that is more fun. But please, seriously consider the 6!,
  • fivespeedfivespeed Posts: 42
    It is the first jeep, and the driver is less than 22. The first time owner should experience the 4 cylinder. It's almost tradition.

    On another note, dang this drought! The dirt roads just choke you bad when they's no rain for 2 weeks.. instead of being out having fun, it's more attractive to sit in front of this boob tube and be a "humpbacked geek".

  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    Be glad it is just draught-caused dust that is choking you. Saturday I was on a mountain top watching one of my favorite 'wheeling/hiking areas about 30 miles away burn up in the Wolf fire (SoCal), and that is nothing compared to the fires going on in Colorado. All you folks in Colorado - you have my prayers.

    What really bothered me was the idiot I saw on Sunday who was illegally camping with an illegal campfire under a pinon pine and wasn't anywhere around when I drove past. All this less than 6 miles from my house! After seeing that, I got a little spooked, so the dog got a much shorter hike than usual. The idea of being a couple of miles from my Wrangler on a ridge if that idiot's fire had gotten out of hand was a little too hot for my comfort level.

    So everyone who is out there 'wheeling this summer - be careful! Not only pay attention to what you are doing, but what the idiots around you are doing!
  • dewarsdewars Posts: 58
    First of all let me say that I have the 6 cyl. and love it. I would have nothing else.
    Something to consider is which island you are going to be on. If you are going to be on Oahu, I would get the 6. However on the other islands, the roads are 2 lane and generally choked with tourists. The brake pedal is used as much as the gas...
    You may be able to get a stripped down model, put a bikini top on it to ward off the rain squalls, enjoy the beach for two years and sell it it for close to what you paid and get one better equiped when you get back to the mainland.
    This is just another twist on it. I agree with the other posts here though, when you get to the mainland get the six.

  • dewarsdewars Posts: 58
    Hey all,
    I am getting ready to lift my TJ. I am considering the tera flex 3" or the Rubicon 3.5"
    Anybody out there have experience with these?


  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    I think a couple of the posters from long ago (Spyro and dragonfly) installed the Tera 3" on thier Jeeps. I remember they both loved the lifts and had 33" MTRs installed at the same time. One lift went on a 5 speed Sport and the other on an auto SE. I think sfjeeps helped them with the purchase and any install ?'s they had. I don't remember anyone on the board installing the RE 3.5". You might do a search of "meet the members and see if you can email them about the Tera lifts and the experiences they've had over the last year with them.

  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    I am working on my buddy across the hall at the office, trying to get him to get a Jeep.

    I have given him the info on how to get to this message board, so I want you guys to say "hi" to Mike and tell him how much you are enjoying your Jeeps, OK?



    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • quikkagquikkag Posts: 24
    After getting low-balled on the Jeep dealership's trade-in offer on my '01 Tribute (if you recall, they offered only book loan value, not book trade-in value), I took it to Carmax this evening. Their offer? $150 more than I was seeking. Now I have to see if my girlfriend's dad wants to buy the Trib or if I sell it to Carmax. Also I will see how close the Jeep dealership can come to the Wrangler I want. Then will come the application for financing, and finally the purchase of the Wrangler.

    I checked how changing from the Tribute to the Wrangler will affect my insurance costs. My annual premium will decrease about $350.

    I'm getting there.


    PS: Mike, welcome to the board. Buy a Wrangler.
    PPS: Thanks again, Trey, for the great info you've provided.
    PPPS: And, since I'm on a roll, cgraber, if you settle for the 4 cyl, I sure hope it will be adequate for you.
  • tsjaytsjay Posts: 4,591
    Way to go, man! Things are moving right along. Thanks for the update, and please keep posting as you progress toward that Jeep!


    Have you hugged your Jeep today?
  • Hey Mike! What are you currently driving? If you have not had the chance yet, you must drive Tom's Jeep. I've owned many vehicles in my life but only one has made me post about it and go to chat rooms to talk about it! That is of course my Jeep. It's an obsession for most of us. If you have any questions just ask away, we are are friendly group.
    quikkag, Looks good, I hope it happens for you soon!
    Trey, I saw your pics yesterday, very nice. I really like the tan/white combination.
  • dwranglerdwrangler Posts: 127
    First off...Welcome Mike! And most important of all: MIKE YOU GOTTA BUY A JEEP!!! I don't have mine yet (I'm saving for one myself after selling my Firechicken aka Firebird). I'm hoping by the time I get enough for a downpayment they'll have what I want on the lot or can get it for me...I know Robster...just get the darn thing ;)...I'm workin on it big guy :)


    I don't know if you have an Autotrader or Trucktrader magazine in your area, but try putting an ad in it. For $29 you can get a photo ad and it stays in the magazine til you sell (you have to call to renew the ad but it doesn't cost any extra). I've sold four vehicles there and haven't had to go down off my asking price (usually private sale price) by more than $500. Asking $500 to $700 higher than that to get as close to target asking price as possible. It has taken me up to a month to a month and a half. Your time could be less. Good luck with the sale.


    I had a 4 cylinder car....NEVER AGAIN...go for the 6 for SURE! If it's a first vehicle then get a used one, it's a better value for the money invested. I'm wrestling with such a decision myself but I've still got time to decide before I sign on the dotted line.

    Hug your Jeeps for me ;)

  • quikkagquikkag Posts: 24
    I really appreciate your advice regarding Trucktrader. We do have it down here, but I intend to complete all transactions within a week and a half.

    On another note, I grew up in Missouri, and was living in St. Louis before moving to Houston--that was 12 years ago.

  • dwranglerdwrangler Posts: 127
    Hey scm...haven't seen ya posting in a while...where ya been? My question is made the comment that the service dept from that dealer stunk, (pc translation of your true comment)...Did you purchase your Jeep at that dealership or somewhere else? There's a black Sahara there that I've kinda had my eye on but haven't seriously dealt on it because I need more cash for a good downpayment whatever I buy. If I did buy that one I'd make sure that the extended warranty covered the dealership in Creve Coeur...I've been told that they are more reputable in the area. Anyway, just thinkin out loud again :)


    What area did you live in and how long were you here?

    Oh my I've stayed up too late's 12:30am...oh well time to hit the sack.

    Hug your Jeeps for me ;)

  • scmhockeyscmhockey Posts: 45
    I read the posts at least once a day. I respond if I feel I have something to add of worth. Guess I've been pretty worthless recently. *LOL*

    I actually bought my Jeep at Glendale on Manchester Rd. The salesman was nice, but I didn't get an especially great deal. (I hadn't found this place yet) They recently had a 1 cent over invoice sale on all their inventory, but not sure if they still have that going on. You might have heard the radio commercials.

    I'll still sell you mine if you want it. ;-)

  • quikkagquikkag Posts: 24
    I grew up about 2 hours southwest of St. Louis--a small town called Viburnum. Went to college at UMR and Southeast Missouri State. While in St. Louis, I lived in the Central West End, St. John, and Marlborough (it's a small district next to Crestwood that not many people are even aware of). I actually lived in St. Louis only about 2 years ('88-'90), but I've been around it all my life. My family still lives in your area.

  • jayorionjayorion Posts: 18
    Hey Mike, Welcome.

    I recently bought an old 90 YJ 4 banger. Last week I was driving with my brother in law and he was amazed that Jeep owners wave to each other. He wants to see if he can get that started with Ford Windstar owners. What do you think?

    Also, only recently I hear a lot of cylinder rattling until my Jeep gets warm. It stops after about a minute or so. Anyone else experience that?

  • twylietwylie Posts: 619
    I found this on another board...

    Better deal yet.. know anyone who works for Chrysler? I heard from a buddy there that they've exteneded their Friends program thru the year. You can order a Chrysler product at employee pricing. Roughly 2-4% below invoice. And any other promotional discounts are still good.

    As with everything elso on the internet, YMMV, but if it's close to true, I'd order a new one with this program (as opposed to buying the used one). Maybe the 7/100 will still be in effect when you go to buy.

  • texasjeeptexasjeep Posts: 270
    "Yep, get the six...unless... It is the first jeep, and the driver is less than 22. The first time owner should experience the 4 cylinder. It's almost tradition."

    LOL. I like that. You will really appreciate the 6 after owning a 4. I would rather walk or ride a bike than drive a 4 cyc Jeep. I have no desire to add any kind of performance mods to my 6.
    A 4 cyc Jeep will be fine off-road and around the city. Freeways it won't be too bad. But on highways with wind and hills, it is all over. I like to drive a good 75 though. If you don't ever want any passing power and drive slower, than a 4 may work for you.

    If money isn't a problem, get the six. You can rip the backseat and carpet out and sell'em or just keep it until you sell the Jeep and put them back in then. I would consider buying your Jeep in Hawaii vs. shipping it. I would check to see what the difference in sale price is though.
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