They are hooked up to a spare fuse in the jeep. They work great as long as I leave them on, as soon as I turn the switch off the fuse blows, they are hooked up with anything else, there was an accessory wire behind the fuse panel behind the glove box.
Somehow you are putting the switching wire to ground. I'd guess you're making the wrong connections at the relay.
Disconnect the switching wire from the relay, now operate the switch. Does it still blow? If it does, then the wire is shorted to ground somewhere. If it doesn't, then you've made the wrong connection at the relay.
I disconnected the switching wire from the relay and the switching fuse still blew. Tomorrow on the way home I will pick up another wire for the switching power and see if that works. I cant see how I am grounded anywhere on it, its only about 4 feet, but I have blown about 20 fuses, and the little [non-permissible content removed] aren't cheap!! I will let you know how it goes tomorrow. You work on many New Hampshire Jeeps?
I disconnected the switching wire from the relay and the switching fuse still blew. Tomorrow on the way home I will pick up another wire for the switching power and see if that works. I cant see how I am grounded anywhere on it, its only about 4 feet, but I have blown about 20 fuses, and the little [non-permissible content removed] aren't cheap!! I will let you know how it goes tomorrow. You work on many New Hampshire Jeeps?
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Hello Jeep buds! Well, we've hit a bit of a warming trend - so it was time for another little drive about. Drove over to the dealer to inquire about the gear issue. They noted it down and said to wait a little and see if it happens again (or whether it will work itself out). For the second day in a row there were no issues - so maybe it was a breaking in thing complicated by the supremely frigid temperatures. I also picked up and installed locking lug nuts. So now Buffy doesn't have to worry about losing her wheels (well, at least not as much as before)! Another fun, fun, fun evening of driving about. :-)
87 and 87A are the fog lamps, although there is no 87A just two 87's. 30 is the in line fuse red wire 86 is relay ground 85 goes to the switch It was pretty basic and all the wires were different colors to make it just a little easier.
Did anyone see Matrix Revolutions? Do you remember the line where Carrie Anne Moss's character says to Neo, "We must have blown a fuse".
Ruined the movie for me...
(Remember they are on a future Earth in a futureistic vehicle, you would think they would not have used the word "fuse".. Maybe Hyper relay circuit or something)
I've looked at the relay wiring info you provided and I believe it should work as you described. It almost sounds as if you have a bad switch with your fog lights if it's crossing power to ground once switched off (even when the power wire #30 is pulled from the relay). Sorry I can't be of any more help.
Paul, I was going to recommend getting a anti rock sway bar. You may not be interested if you are not off-roading a lot yet. http://www.offroadjeepparts.com/purchase/product.asp?uid=23713357- &item=366 Your front one is more likely to be missing but you may want to check and see if your rear one is there.
I have no idea if the rear is there or not. It's been too cold and wet (<25 degrees during the day) to crawl under the TJ to see if it is there. I suspect it is, but I first looked from behind, then realized after checking my manuals that it is in front of the rear diff.
Texasjeep, thanks for the link on the anti rock. I think I'll end up with either an Addco or a stock sway bar and use quick disco's for it. I really want to reduce the rock n roll while on the roads.
Your connections sound good, though I'm puzzled by two 87s. Here's a diagram of how a 'standard' relay works.
As you can see, 87a is connected to 30 until power is applied to the coil (via 85 and 86), when thirty is switched to 87. This enables a relay to be used to switch something off as well as on.
However, as you are blowing a fuse without even being connected to the relay it sounds like it must be the switch. Is it a simple single pole, single throw type?
my ARB compressor has two 87 terminals and no 87a. The ones with two 87 terminals will feed power from 30 to both 87 terminals once energized. When the coil isn't energized, the feed from 30 goes to a plastic block inside the relay.
Waytek sells the same switches that ARB provides for its compressor and air lockers. The nice thing about these switches is that they are a direct fit for the TJ switch panel and come in various arrangements and colors, both illuminated and plain. On thier site: http://order.waytekwire.com/IMAGES/M37/catalog/216_42
Got up this AM and there was hardly any in the Mill Creek area north of Seattle. On my way to work in Monroe near the foothills of the Cascades there was about 1/2 inch. An hour later we had 2". We're at about 3 1/2" right now and it's still coming down. Visibility is about 200 yds. I want so much to go out and play and maybe be a good samaritan helping people get unstuck, etc. Oh well, holed up at work. :-(
I wish I was there with you - we had snow Friday night and it has been very cold (as Paul mentioned) but most of it is gone now. Hopefully we'll get more soon.
And I'm like Paul - I wish I could ONLY put 19,000 miles on in a year. The last 2 years were light on the Wrangler because we had mild winters but this year seems to be more of a Jeep year. And the more we drive it as our daily driver, the more we are thinking about replacing the Taco with the extended version of the Wrangler.
There shouldn't be any ground connection for your application. The switch should either make or break the line to the switching side of the relay. If it was switching to ground when you switched it off, that would explain the fuse blowing.
I was just surprised that I had put those miles on the Jeep as I only put a hair over 12k in a year on the WRX. Of course, my work commute went from 34 mile roundtrip, to 56, and then back down to 30 miles. When I had the WRX I had a 16 mile roundtrip.
On the weather front, the news says to expect some freezing rain *yuk* this evening. I don't want to be out driving in that.
Yeah, I like the extended Wrangler the more I see it. Entertaining thoughts have it being my replacement once the shorty Wrangler is paid off.
Can I get the switch power from the left hand front signal light? I am planning on running a wire through the fire wall out to the left front turn signal wire which is black and yellow according to the book.
Why would you want to do that? You said you wanted to switch them independently of the other lights. It would mean the driving lights would flash on and off with the left turn signal!
All you need do is to remove the ground connection from the switch you are already using.
Are you sure about this? The directions clearly state that there is supposed to be a ground connection. The only thing I have done differently than the directions state is that I have not and do not want to hook them up to the headlights.
One last question for you. That seems to have worked. THe only thing now, is that the switch is supposed to illuminate and now it isnt. Any ideas why before I put the whole thing back together?
My switch for my IPF system had a wire that ran to the fuse box (I hooked it up to a fuse that only gets juice when the key is in the on position). This is the wire that should provide the illumination on your switch (I suspect).
The ground wire for the system is already outside the firewall and comes from the relay for the lights. It is attached to a bolt in the engine bay. The positive wire is attached to the battery.
The lights have been insalled and work the way I want them to!~ Thanks Mac24 and Paul. The only thing not working as described is the switch illumination and I can live with that!
I got them done and realized I have one headlight that is blown~!!! Pretty sure I can handle that!
Mac24 if you ever get up to New Hampshire let me know! I owe you a breakfast.
This is the only place I have ever lived where the UPS guy cant get up the driveway, maybe they should drive jeeps.
Is there a section on Edmunds (or any place for that matter) that rates and reviews car alarms? I know Mopar has a few alarms, and Viper is certainly a name brand, but I could use some guidance.
I'm thinking you should be about 4-5 hours from the Land Between the Lakes where Turkey Bay is located. I have done some turkey hunting in northeastern Alabama along the Paint Rock river in a town called Estill Fork. I live approximately 45 minutes west of the LBL. I could make the drive from Estill Fork to Mayfield in 4 hours and 15 minutes, without speeding too much either.
Come up sometime and I'll try to join you and Tom.
Turkey Bay would be about a three and half hour drive from Huntsville, or at least that would be my guess. (Hey! I'm not a bad guesser! I just looked it up on Mapquest, and it said the trip should take 3 hrs 24 min.)
You gonna be in Huntsville sometime soon?
Man, it would be great if you could come on up to Turkey Bay and wheel with me!
Well, Jeep Buds, Day 6 is not far from being over, and I'm still hangin' in there.
Once again, I have to tell you guys how much your support means to me. It means a LOT.
Thanks a bunch!
As far as removing all the temptation, I don't go along with that. I don't think I'm ready for that yet.
NO! I'm not saying I need cigs around in case I fail. I'm not saying that at all.
The reason that I need cigs available is so that when I am not smoking, it's not because I don't have any around. If I had been through one of those tough times when I was thinkin' about smoking real bad for a long time, and if I didn't have some smokes handy, then as soon as I got around someone smoking or got to a place where I could buy a pack, then I would be tempted to bum a smoke or buy a pack. If, however, I fight through the urges while having my own smokes available the whole time, then I will know that I have not smoked because I CHOSE not to, not just because I didn't have the opportunity.
Don't know if that makes sense to ya or not, but it does to me.
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YES!!
Disconnect the switching wire from the relay, now operate the switch. Does it still blow? If it does, then the wire is shorted to ground somewhere. If it doesn't, then you've made the wrong connection at the relay.
Have a good night,
James
Don't forget to post the relay connections......... and sorry, New Hampshire is too far for a house call!!!
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Have a good night,
James
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Well, we've hit a bit of a warming trend - so it was time for another little drive about. Drove over to the dealer to inquire about the gear issue. They noted it down and said to wait a little and see if it happens again (or whether it will work itself out). For the second day in a row there were no issues - so maybe it was a breaking in thing complicated by the supremely frigid temperatures. I also picked up and installed locking lug nuts. So now Buffy doesn't have to worry about losing her wheels (well, at least not as much as before)! Another fun, fun, fun evening of driving about.
:-)
Andrew
30 is the in line fuse red wire
86 is relay ground
85 goes to the switch
It was pretty basic and all the wires were different colors to make it just a little easier.
Thanks for the assistance.
James
Ruined the movie for me...
(Remember they are on a future Earth in a futureistic vehicle, you would think they would not have used the word "fuse".. Maybe Hyper relay circuit or something)
-twylie
I was going to recommend getting a anti rock sway bar. You may not be interested if you are not off-roading a lot yet.
http://www.offroadjeepparts.com/purchase/product.asp?uid=23713357- &item=366
Your front one is more likely to be missing but you may want to check and see if your rear one is there.
Texasjeep, thanks for the link on the anti rock. I think I'll end up with either an Addco or a stock sway bar and use quick disco's for it. I really want to reduce the rock n roll while on the roads.
-Paul
As you can see, 87a is connected to 30 until power is applied to the coil (via 85 and 86), when thirty is switched to 87. This enables a relay to be used to switch something off as well as on.
However, as you are blowing a fuse without even being connected to the relay it sounds like it must be the switch. Is it a simple single pole, single throw type?
My favorite "wiring" source; Good catalog and diagrams of switches: http://www.waytekwire.com
their page on relays in PDF:
http://order.waytekwire.com/IMAGES/M37/catalog/216_52
Waytek sells the same switches that ARB provides for its compressor and air lockers. The nice thing about these switches is that they are a direct fit for the TJ switch panel and come in various arrangements and colors, both illuminated and plain. On thier site:
http://order.waytekwire.com/IMAGES/M37/catalog/216_42
-twylie
Stephen
Those switches make it easy to do a really nice OE type installation. Interesting site.
And I'm like Paul - I wish I could ONLY put 19,000 miles on in a year. The last 2 years were light on the Wrangler because we had mild winters but this year seems to be more of a Jeep year. And the more we drive it as our daily driver, the more we are thinking about replacing the Taco with the extended version of the Wrangler.
Gman, sorry to hear about the tranny and hope that the dealer can get it fixed.
I took all the lights off the house today. Man, 10 hours to put them up and 1.5 to take them down.
Time to go enjoy the cold... winter is back to MD, low 30's now all we need is some snow.
Tom: hang in there man you can do it. I forget who said itm, but get everything out of the house. If it's there then the temptation is just too close.
Tony
There are 3 connections on the back, ground, power and relay.
Going out to try to figure this thing out again.
James
I think we just found the answer!!!
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On the weather front, the news says to expect some freezing rain *yuk* this evening. I don't want to be out driving in that.
Yeah, I like the extended Wrangler the more I see it. Entertaining thoughts have it being my replacement once the shorty Wrangler is paid off.
Stephen
All you need do is to remove the ground connection from the switch you are already using.
However, if you're not sure, and you have every right not to be, then stop right now and consult a qualified auto electrician.
The advice you get here is worth exactly what you pay for it. Use common sense in whether to take it or not.
The ground wire for the system is already outside the firewall and comes from the relay for the lights. It is attached to a bolt in the engine bay. The positive wire is attached to the battery.
-Paul
I am sure it will become an on again/off again topic.
Tom, How far is Turkey Bay from Huntsville, AL?
-Paul
I got them done and realized I have one headlight that is blown~!!! Pretty sure I can handle that!
Mac24 if you ever get up to New Hampshire let me know! I owe you a breakfast.
This is the only place I have ever lived where the UPS guy cant get up the driveway, maybe they should drive jeeps.
Thanks
James
Thanks,
Mike
Come up sometime and I'll try to join you and Tom.
You gonna be in Huntsville sometime soon?
Man, it would be great if you could come on up to Turkey Bay and wheel with me!
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Once again, I have to tell you guys how much your support means to me. It means a LOT.
Thanks a bunch!
As far as removing all the temptation, I don't go along with that. I don't think I'm ready for that yet.
NO! I'm not saying I need cigs around in case I fail. I'm not saying that at all.
The reason that I need cigs available is so that when I am not smoking, it's not because I don't have any around. If I had been through one of those tough times when I was thinkin' about smoking real bad for a long time, and if I didn't have some smokes handy, then as soon as I got around someone smoking or got to a place where I could buy a pack, then I would be tempted to bum a smoke or buy a pack. If, however, I fight through the urges while having my own smokes available the whole time, then I will know that I have not smoked because I CHOSE not to, not just because I didn't have the opportunity.
Don't know if that makes sense to ya or not, but it does to me.
Tom
Have you hugged your Jeep today?