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Reason is the Jeep site/brochure says the TRAC lock comes with the Dana 44, and the Dana 44 comes in the package. MSN Carpoint site lists it as included in the package, but CarsDirect lists it as a $244 option in addition to the package. Any one know the true answer to this mystery? Someone with a recent purchase who has the window sticker and can tell me if the TRAC lock is listed under the 30" package? Please help so I can get my Jeep ordered soon.
I am really getting desperate now, people. If a bank will take the loan, I'm going to take on the huge payment. My local dealer is supposed to be working up something for me, but I'm afraid the trade-in on my 2000 Grand Prix GT is going to be a show-stopper.
I GOTTA HAVE A WRANGLER!
I assume that the soft top is standard, and the hard top is an extra cost option, right? I see the deep tinted window option, but I don't see the option for the hard top. Actually I see it, but it says it costs "0", but requires GCD, which is the tinted window option. There are three different "GCD" options at prices from $125 to $365. Can someone explain this mess?
Here's what I want, but I don't know how to package it:
2001 Wrangler Sport
black hard top
deep tint windows
highback cloth seats
canyon wheels w/ 30" tires and Dana 44
am/fm radio with cd (actually, the sound system is so poor, I'd just about as soon not have a radio, but it wouldn't save me any significant amount of money to delete it)
anything else you guys recommend for a non-offroader? (Well, I'm not an offroader now, but I just might have to play around some if I ever get my Jeep.)
What would invoice and retail prices be on the Jeep I just described?
Thx in advance
The hardtop should be $1500.
We will throw you a party. Just let me know when you are driving your Jeep down here. Or let me know when you get it and I will go out and drink a few for you.
However, I was wondering what anyone thinks about the available extended warranties. Good/Bad, Rip-off/Worth it??
Also does anyone have any leads on manufacturers of tire mounted ski racks for the 30" spare?
anyway does anyone know if a 6.5 speaker will fit in the stock soundbar. i think that it will just need someone else to tell me that it will. thanks
Go drink a few for me, but in sympathy, not in rejoicing. I can't even get anyone to talk to me about a new Jeep, because I am $10,000 upside down on my Grand Prix. The dealers don't think any financial institution in the world would take the loan with that much debt carried over. ( I guess they're right, though.)
I will just have to suck it up and drive the Grand Prix for another year or two. Hey, it is an absolutely great car, but IT AIN'T NO WRANGLER!
I will let it be known that it is for sale, and who knows, maybe I can get a decent price for it. I could then get a loan to pay off the balance in order to sell it to the interested party.
By getting retail rather than trade-in, and with maybe two or three thousand cash for a downpayment on the new Jeep, maybe I could join the club.
For Pete's sake, if anyone knows of someone looking for a used Grand Prix GT, and if they live anywhere in the general vicinity of western Ky., please let put them in touch with me via email. I'm telling you, no one takes better care of a car than I do, and this car is in showroom condition!
I have been looking to swap. I am not sure if I should put new 4x6's up front or install aftermarket cases that hold bigger speakers. I saw some that go just to the front of the front seats under the sill. www.quadratec.com
There are also ones that fit 5 1/4's that sqeeze betweeen the roll bar and wheel well.
'88 YJ 140k on body 30k on aftermarket 4.2L. This one most likely has the BA 10/5 Peugeot tranny 5spd. Starts and runs fine but idles a little high. Has new carb, water pump and other parts. No rust, factory htop and soft top. All stock.
'86 CJ7 4.2L 120K, orig engine. New exhaust, no rust, runs good, VA insp.
So, what do you think?
And I could just strangle 'er.
Daddy's gotta have,
A brand new Wrangler!
I toss and I turn,
And can't go to sleep.
I'm thinkin' about,
That brand new Jeep.
She's shiny and white,
With a top that is black.
Thirty inch tires,
The spare on the back.
Mortgage the house,
Rob the 401 K.
Get a down payment,
For that new TJ.
Some way some how,
She's gonna be mine.
I'll get that Jeep,
And Momma can whine.
2001 Sport - Forest Green
Dual Top (Black) w/Tinted Windows
30" Wheels / Dana 44 / Trac Lok
CD / Subwoofer / Cruise
Fog lights / Steps / Tow hooks.
BTW, What's the deal with the Jeep wave? Read about it here. After driving off the lot I waved at 6-7 Jeeps with no response. Is it a myth? Or did I just find some Jeep imposters.
I hope you will post a link to a picture of that rascal.
I wish I had one!
Maybe some day.
Normally the wave is for CJ/Wranglers. Normally I'll see at least 3 on my way to work, and only 1 will wave. Alot of people have no clue about it. But I always wave, even if it's a soccer mom who doesn't realize that she's driving a Jeep. I figure that sooner or later, they'll get why people are always waving.
alee and Sparx the yellow TJ
I have the ABS and it is a safe and worthwhile investment. The reason the dealer didn't want you to buy it is because he wanted to sell you a vehicle off the lot and you have to order an ABS-equipped Wrangler since dealers never order it on their stock.
tsjay: Wow. I've seen guys write love poetry to women they desired before, but never to a car...except maybe all those Beach Boys songs about hot rods...
I have a hard time being rational about vehicles, so I need some good advice before I take the plunge.
I'm not talking about financial advice, cause anyone with half a brain would tell me to keep that nice new Grand Prix I'm driving until I get the payoff way down closer to trade-in value or at least close to retail value. I will borrow from my 401K to get a down payment to cover part of my "upside down" trade-in allowance. Stupid?
Yep. No argument.
Now, the advice I really, really need is this: will I be sorry that I have a Wrangler Sport as my ONLY vehicle? I drive 27 miles one way to work five days a week on mostly four lane divided highway. I also have to take fairly frequent business trips up to 300 miles one way. ( I will need a lot of those trips and the mileage money I get from them to help pay for the Jeep ).
Please refrain from telling me I'm stupid for thinking of trading with such a big deficit on my trade-in. Oh, go ahead and tell me that if you want to, but I won't listen. But I DO need honest opinions on having a Wrangler for my only means of transportation.
Aside from that, you may have another option. With all these loans and "big" payments you have been talking about, is it possible for you to hold on to your Grand Prix and also lease a Wrangler? Maybe the 4-banger, stripped, that you can get a really low payment and use it as a second recreation car only? Trust me, I love my Wrangler, but I would never want it as a long distance commuter.
Just some thoughts...
When you say you wouldn't want to drive long distances in your Sport, what exactly is it that you don't like about it as a vehicle for traveling? I test drove a new Sport at highway speeds, but it was just a couple miles. It seemed very steady and not at all hard to steer. It didn't want to wander all over the road. The ride wasn't bad, but the stretch of road I was on was pretty smooth. I can see only the lack of luggage space and security as potential problems, unless I just didn't take a long enough drive.
Please tell me what you are concerned about.
As far as leasing, that isn't a bad idea, except that I couldn't handle my Grand Prix payment AND a lease payment at the same time.
I want to see a picture of your new Jeep! Email me one, if you have one. Once again, my friend, I am very happy for you and I hope you have the very best of luck with that Jeep.
I really appreciate your help. I hope to hear from others also.
-alee and sparx-
Thanks a million.
i drive 15 miles each way six lane divided highway
i have no problems with the ride or comfort
and my jeep is really set-up for off-roading
money-wise ... obviously you are not married ... or you would not be able to even consider the buying and selling of vehicles
but, i look at it this way:
you have to determine your needs and wants
if you want a TJ ... too bad; you already have a new car - quit your whining ....
if you need a TJ ... make it happen; better to make a mistake then to regret not doing wht you really want to ...
I know the money thing is an issue, I traded a 98 Mustang in for my 2000 Jeep. Worth it?, yes. This puppy is my daily driver and I loves it. I have the 30in" wheel package and it is just fine off road. I am no crazy wheeler, not yet.
The choice is up to you, but you do post more on Edmunds than any jeep owner I know.
P.S. take a look.
This is exactly the stuff I am looking for. I know that the financial part of this makes no sense at all, but I just want to be sure that I'm not doubly stupid by getting so far in over my head and then ending up with a vehicle that is totally impractical for my needs.
The responses are about three in favor and one against having a Wrangler for my only vehicle.
As far as my frequent posting, I hope everyone will bear with me. I am the world's biggest Jeep-owner wannabe. I hope to join you guys as a fellow Jeep owner soon.
Thanks to everyone for your patience with me, and for your thoughtful inputs. I guess that's one of the main reasons for a group like this.
You guys are great! I will be proud to join you, if things work out.
I'll put you in the "Not in favor of a Wrangler as only means of transportation" column.
That makes it three to two.
Gee, I hope we don't end up having to have a recount!
engaging and disengaging 4wd is easy. It takes a couple times to pick it up. Just follow the instructions in the manual.
kevinvsr - Not all Jeep owners wave. Sometimes you will get a wave back and sometimes you won't.
tsjay - Nice poem.
I probably have told you, but my only concern is gas mileage and windy days on long road trips. The wind makes the top flop around a lot and makes it harder to drive whatever speed you want.
You need to stick with the Grand Prix or the Jeep for a long time. You will have financial problems if you don't get the car loans under control. Borrowing from your 401k is probably the last place you want to borrow from. You will pay taxes twice on the same money and you have to pay it off right away if you quit or get laid off.
That makes it four to two so far.
I've just about decided on the hard top, so the flopping and noise won't be a factor.
If I don't find somebody willing to deal realistically with me, I will have to forget the whole thing anyway. I just got offered auction price on the Grand Prix and no discount from sticker price on the new Sport from my local dealer. They can SHOVE it!
Tex (or anyone else reading this), what should I realistically expect to pay for difference between my 2000 Grand Prix GT sedan and the new Wrangler?
My car is a white four door with tan leather interior. It is absolutely spotless and has 19K miles on it. It was stickered at $24,225 when new. The new Wrangler was sticker priced at $23,870, the way I specced it out.
I am hearing from people with real experience in driving a Jeep for their full-time vehicle, and there's no substitute for that. People can speculate all they want, but you guys (and gals)who own a Jeep as your only vehicle or at least have experience in taking trips in one have valuable information for me, and you guys have been great about sharing it.
That makes it five to two.
I appreciate your taking the time to post your opinion, Peterskm.
I have had my 2001 Sport for a little over a month now and 1,800 miles and I don't feel the need for another vehicle. I drive 25 miles each way to work on rural, curvy roads and I have no complaints. It doesn't handle like a Grand Prix, but that's to be expected. I have yet to take a long trip, so I can't comment on that, but I do not think it would be bad at all. As far as MPG, I have checked 3 tanks with an average of 18 MPG.
I remembered that you had posted a link to a picture of your Jeep, so I just looked at it again.
She's a beauty! Must be nice. Maybe one of these days I'll have mine too. I really like those canyon wheels- that's what I want on mine.
I'm still thinking white with a black top, but I sure wouldn't mind a steel blue like yours either. I also like silverstone. Black is nice too. I guess I like just about all the colors.
If some dealer doesn't get serious with me, though, I'll be waiting a long time. I'm not going to give my Grand Prix away.
Well, even though you haven't taken a long trip, you have a pretty good drive going to work, and, if you don't think a trip would be a problem, then I guess I have to count your vote as "Wranglers are ok as only vehicle."
That's six to two.
Hey, I appreciate everyone's input. I thank everyone who has expressed their opinion, whether positive or negative about a Jeep as the only vehicle.
Keep on Jeepin' Oh yeah-they rule in the snow!!!!