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tjc78 · July 13

@graphicguy said:

@roadburner said:
We finished replacing the basement carpet with LVP so it was time to set up my 5.1 system again.
Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD Television
Denon 1804 HTR
Take Classic 5.1 Speaker System
Sony BDP-S3200 Blu-ray player
Tripp Lite Isobar 6 Surge Protectors

Nice! Those Kuros are heavy beasts!

I’ve had the pleasure of mounting a 60” Panasonic Plasma (same panels as the Pioneer IIRC) and it was no joke. I used 4 3.5” lags directly into the studs. It was over a fireplace and took three of us to safely lift it up there. Nothing like the LEDs today. I did my 65” Samsung by myself.

The mount itself probably weighed more than the new TVs.

roadburner · July 13

graphicguy said:

@roadburner said:

We finished replacing the basement carpet with LVP so it was time to set up my 5.1 system again.

Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD Television

Denon 1804 HTR

Take Classic 5.1 Speaker System

Sony BDP-S3200 Blu-ray player

Tripp Lite Isobar 6 Surge Protectors

Nice! Those Kuros are heavy beasts!

Yes they are!.

stickguy · July 13

I had my wife help with our 65” Samsung. Just to help position it on the bracket.

suydam · July 14

I had the guys from Best Buy install ours.

tjc78 · July 14

@stickguy said:
I had my wife help with our 65” Samsung. Just to help position it on the bracket.

That’s because you are smart and I’m too impatient to ask for help!

graphicguy · July 15

Put my current LG OLED on a heavy wooden stand (actually one of those fancy furniture "media centers"). Pretty easy compared to mounting it, or wrestling one of those plasma TVs of yore. The only issue isn't the weight but wrapping your arms around a 65" TV.

tjc78 · July 15

I needed help with the 65 in our family room, it was a little too high to do by myself. Someday I have to lower that one... it's too high. Previous owner had it there and I went with the same height, which I was going to fix when I got time. That was nearly 5 years ago!

tjc78 · July 15

Fun morning - I turn the shower on, run to the linen closet to grab a fresh towel and expect a hot shower when I get back.... Nope!

Get dressed, disarm the alarm and take a walk outside to make sure the inlet and exhaust were clear and they were. Go down stairs and it's flashing a code 11. Quick Google action is no flame sensed. Noritz said it is usually the flame sensor needing to be cleaned. OK - I can handle that. Open the unit up and my issue was very apparent. There were a ton of leaves that were sucked into the air intake preventing the unit from breathing. It was enough to fill the dust bin of the small vacuum we keep in the basement. I have to get some sort of cover for the intake pipe so this doesn't happen again.

Naturally, this pushes my whole morning back, so I jumped on the laptop to get out something that was on a time crunch this morning and ate breakfast home. Traffic was then a nightmare with I95 shut down and I ended up jumping back to NJ on one bridge and then back into PA on the next ahead of the accident.

jmonroe1 · July 15

graphicguy said:
Put my current LG OLED on a heavy wooden stand (actually one of those fancy furniture "media centers"). Pretty easy compared to mounting it, or wrestling one of those plasma TVs of yore. The only issue isn't the weight but wrapping your arms around a 65" TV.

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You’re right, you can’t short arm a TV that size. However, when you grow up you won’t have that problem.

jmonroe

jmonroe1 · July 15

tjc78 said:
I needed help with the 65 in our family room, it was a little too high to do by myself. Someday I have to lower that one... it's too high. Previous owner had it there and I went with the same height, which I was going to fix when I got time. That was nearly 5 years ago!

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If you’ve waited this long you might as well wait until you get a new TV.

jmonroe

tjc78 · July 15

@jmonroe1 said:
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If you’ve waited this long you might as well wait until you get a new TV.

jmonroe

Part of me does want to replace the aging 50” at the shore with that TV…. Then upgrade to a bigger set at home. Problem is, my wife ordered the cabinet below to be the same width as the TV and well… you know.

oldfarmer50 · July 15

tjc78 said:
Fun morning - I turn the shower on, run to the linen closet to grab a fresh towel and expect a hot shower when I get back.... Nope!

Get dressed, disarm the alarm and take a walk outside to make sure the inlet and exhaust were clear and they were. Go down stairs and it's flashing a code 11. Quick Google action is no flame sensed. Noritz said it is usually the flame sensor needing to be cleaned. OK - I can handle that. Open the unit up and my issue was very apparent. There were a ton of leaves that were sucked into the air intake preventing the unit from breathing. It was enough to fill the dust bin of the small vacuum we keep in the basement. I have to get some sort of cover for the intake pipe so this doesn't happen again.

Naturally, this pushes my whole morning back, so I jumped on the laptop to get out something that was on a time crunch this morning and ate breakfast home. Traffic was then a nightmare with I95 shut down and I ended up jumping back to NJ on one bridge and then back into PA on the next ahead of the accident.

That’s why I like my job. Traffic jams, accidents, weather….just gets me more pay. 😊

jmonroe1 · July 15

tjc78 said:

@jmonroe1 said:

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If you’ve waited this long you might as well wait until you get a new TV.

jmonroe

Part of me does want to replace the aging 50” at the shore with that TV…. Then upgrade to a bigger set at home. Problem is, my wife ordered the cabinet below to be the same width as the TV and well… you know.

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That’s what happens when you don’t get the expandable model. With TV’s continuously getting bigger and bigger these days that was purchasing error.

jmonroe

ab348 · July 15

I’m possibly going to be challenged when this TV finally gets replaced. I’m still using a stand I bought (at Sears!) in 2005. I like it because it is designed to fit in a corner and is perfect for my space. My current TV is a 55” one with the de rigeur v-shaped legs at the extreme ends. They are within less than an inch of the platform on either end. I get why TV manufacturers do that for stability, but I would much prefer a different design.

tjc78 · July 15

ab348 said:
I’m possibly going to be challenged when this TV finally gets replaced. I’m still using a stand I bought (at Sears!) in 2005. I like it because it is designed to fit in a corner and is perfect for my space. My current TV is a 55” one with the de rigeur v-shaped legs at the extreme ends. They are within less than an inch of the platform on either end. I get why TV manufacturers do that for stability, but I would much prefer a different design.

Amazon sells universal replacement TV stands. I had to buy one when we lost the legs to one of ours during the move (it was on a wall in the previous house). It had a nice heavy base in the center so if your TV was bigger than the stand it didn't matter.

kyfdx · July 15

I bought a TV stand specifically for a 55" TV. 42" wide

Last time I replaced the TV, I picked out an LG. But, when I got it home, the legs extended all the way to the edge of the TV frame, and one of them was half-on, half-off the edge of the stand.

Took it back, and swapped it for a Samsung that had legs a little more centered.

explorerx4 · July 15

The newer Sony models I've looked have inboard and outboard leg attachment options.
My current TV is 9 years old, but the picture is still great, so I don't feel motivated to upgrade.

corvette · July 15

Between my parents and I, I don’t think we own a single 4K HD TV. 1080p seems to work fine for our purposes.

roadburner · July 15

explorerx4 said:
The newer Sony models I've looked have inboard and outboard leg attachment options.
My current TV is 9 years old, but the picture is still great, so I don't feel motivated to upgrade.

My Pioneer Kuro plasma is 17 years old and and it still has an amazing picture. In the basement I was able to decrease the viewing distance so it looks even better.

kyfdx · July 16

During Covid, my wife wanted a Smart TV in the lower level, so she could stream workout videos. We had a really nice Sony LCD 52" 1080P TV down there, but not Smart. It weighed about 110 lbs.

Got a 60" LG 4K smart TV from Target for $399, as it was the absolute biggest TV that would fit in the custom entertainment center. It was cheap, because they were phasing out that 60" size. 5 years later, still going strong.

tjc78 · July 16

roadburner said:

explorerx4 said:
The newer Sony models I've looked have inboard and outboard leg attachment options.
My current TV is 9 years old, but the picture is still great, so I don't feel motivated to upgrade.
My Pioneer Kuro plasma is 17 years old and and it still has an amazing picture. In the basement I was able to decrease the viewing distance so it looks even better.

The plasma I have at the shore dates to about 2012 I believe as that is when the previous owners bought the place. It is an Insignia (Best Buy house brand) but I'll tell you it rivals some of the newer sets I have. The blacks are so much better and there is zero motion lag. I want to swap it because it is so heavy and on a very large mount that sticks out from the wall more than I like. Pretty stupid reason since for the use it gets it works perfectly.

corvette · July 16

kyfdx said:
During Covid, my wife wanted a Smart TV in the lower level, so she could stream workout videos. We had a really nice Sony LCD 52" 1080P TV down there, but not Smart. It weighed about 110 lbs.

And you missed the opportunity to suggest lifting the TV instead of using it to watch workout videos?

sda · July 16

I have two Insignia 32” and one 24” 1080p TVs for secondary duty. All three get a decent picture and have been trouble free. Trash bait if they act up.

graphicguy · July 16

My son and I arm wrestled the 50" Panasonic Plasma TV up to the 2nd floor bedroom. This was right after Panasonic bought Pioneer's plasma business (which is now no longer). That was an exercise in body contortion.

The LG 65" OLED in the Home Theater rec room was much lighter. But, it was also a bear getting it around a bend in the stairwell and over the railings.

IMHO, the Pioneer/Panasonic plasmas and the LG OLEDs are among the most reliable you can find. Both have outstanding picture quality, too.

graphicguy · July 16

I know these aren’t popular, but dang….

28firefighter · July 16

Some I've seen on LH as low as 175 DAS and 175/month if you had the right incentives.

oldfarmer50 · July 16

I don’t know why the Charger wouldn’t be popular. Yeah, it’s an outdated platform but it’s roomy and rides nice. It would be a good car for ride share if it wasn’t limited to 7500 miles a year. For the average person you could do worse for $259.

explorerx4 · July 16

That deal is for an electric Charger. Sorry to be a buzzkill.

kyfdx · July 16

oldfarmer50 said:
I don’t know why the Charger wouldn’t be popular. Yeah, it’s an outdated platform but it’s roomy and rides nice. It would be a good car for ride share if it wasn’t limited to 7500 miles a year. For the average person you could do worse for $259.

It's an EV

kyfdx · July 16

explorerx4 said:
That deal is for an electric Charger. Sorry to be a buzzkill.

Isn't the 2025 Charger a sedan, though? I thought it was only the 2024 model that was a coupe?

I might have that wrong..

Cheap transportation, though

tjc78 · July 16

Sedan coming for 2026… after the complete flop of the coupe I have zero idea why. Let the ship sink at this point.

explorerx4 · July 16

@kyfdx,
They spend more miles on flatbeds that actually driving.

sda · July 16

A horrible crime on what used to be Chrysler/Dodge/Ram. Corporate mergers, acquisitions for those acquired typically not good. Prime example.

Michaell · July 16

sda said:
A horrible crime on what used to be Chrysler/Dodge/Ram. Corporate mergers, acquisitions for those acquired typically not good. Prime example.

If you get the chance, read the book "Taken for a Ride", which is a detailed account of the Daimler-Chrysler merger.

Not a merger of equals, but a full blown takeover.

explorerx4 · July 16

To me, it was a sellout. Daimler Benz needed Chrysler's cash reserves and their C Suite cashed out.

driver100 · July 16

Range is about 200 miles. Cost about $65000. It is quirky, wouldn't appeal to too many people especially with a range of 200 miles.
I found this review fun....and makes me wonder why Chrysler invested in this oddball vehicle;
https://www.google.com/search?q=review+2025+dodge+r/t+charger+awd&sca_esv=edb9f998570affa4&sxsrf=AE3TifOvWIh8Oom93GHUhZ7i4TtkunwZUQ:1752721951384&ei=H2p4aMSfF5XTp84PzpH_8Aw&ved=0ahUKEwiEq7WK9sKOAxWV6ckDHc7IH84Q4dUDCBA&oq=review+2025+dodge+r/t+charger+awd&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIXJldmlldyAyMDI1IGRvZGdlIHIvdCBjaGFyZ2VyIGF3ZDIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiiBBiJBTIIEAAYgAQYogQyBRAAGO8FSL0sUPkLWMoZcAF4AZABAJgBoAGgAbsEqgEDMi4zuAEMyAEA-AEBmAIGoAKEBcICChAAGLADGNYEGEeYAwCIBgGQBgiSBwMxLjWgB_kXsgcDMC41uAf5BMIHAzMtNsgHQQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:25e1c652,vid:no5X9k23xzQ,st:0

For the right situation it could be OK for $250 a month...if you just use it to get groceries.

roadburner · July 16

While reading a copy of Thoroughbred and Classic Car I found an interesting connection between my favorite vintage bicycle and Mercedes-Benz.

oldfarmer50 · July 17

explorerx4 said:
To me, it was a sellout. Daimler Benz needed Chrysler's cash reserves and their C Suite cashed out.

That’s the way I understood it. I bought my 2000 Chrysler mainly because I liked the Mitsubishi engine but also because it was a design from 1996 which was just before Daimler took over.

Also it was cheap.

oldfarmer50 · July 17

BTW, when you go to get that Charger deal, beware!

https://youtube.com/shorts/3cVxKtsPHHo?si=dm9StFmuYrNV91Rq

graphicguy · July 17

oldfarmer50 said:
BTW, when you go to get that Charger deal, beware!

https://youtube.com/shorts/3cVxKtsPHHo?si=dm9StFmuYrNV91Rq

Dealerships are still doing this? Unreal.

Saw a new body style Camry XSE yesterday at Costco parking lot. Dark grey metallic with red interior. Sharp. Never thought I'd say that about a Camry.

tjc78 · July 17

sda said:
A horrible crime on what used to be Chrysler/Dodge/Ram. Corporate mergers, acquisitions for those acquired typically not good. Prime example.

I'd wager that the Ram 1500 and Jeep Grand Cherokee hold the whole thing together.

explorerx4 · July 17

Wrangler.

tjc78 · July 17

explorerx4 said:
Wrangler.

I at first thought that too but the GC sells 43% more units than the Wrangler.

You do have a point though as a whole Jeep sells the most vehicles for Stellantis in the USA. 39% more than the Ram.

Units wise the GC and Wrangler combined nearly equal the Ram

The Compass of all things moved over 111K units and one of the only vehicles for Stellantis with a positive comp over last year.

Michaell · July 17

Interesting about the Compass, because we get very few requests for lease numbers on that model.

Way more on the 4xe GC and Wrangler, due to the large incentives.

driver100 · July 17

oldfarmer50 said:
BTW, when you go to get that Charger deal, beware!

https://youtube.com/shorts/3cVxKtsPHHo?si=dm9StFmuYrNV91Rq

Was that staged or is it real? I bet some people would fall for it. If 1 in 10 went for it they'd make more profit than selling cars at MSRP.

tjc78 · July 17

Michaell said:
Interesting about the Compass, because we get very few requests for lease numbers on that model.

Way more on the 4xe GC and Wrangler, due to the large incentives.

Must be fleet sales.

Michaell · July 17

tjc78 said:

Michaell said:
Interesting about the Compass, because we get very few requests for lease numbers on that model.

Way more on the 4xe GC and Wrangler, due to the large incentives.
Must be fleet sales.

Or, straight up purchases.

sda · July 17

@Michaell said:
If you get the chance, read the book "Taken for a Ride", which is a detailed account of the Daimler-Chrysler merger.

Not a merger of equals, but a full blown takeover.

I believe I read it some years ago. A sorry tale and maddening. Chrysler has never been the same. Cerberus did more damage and the subsequent owners even more.

Michaell · July 17

sda said:

@Michaell said:

If you get the chance, read the book "Taken for a Ride", which is a detailed account of the Daimler-Chrysler merger.

Not a merger of equals, but a full blown takeover.

I believe I read it some years ago. A sorry tale and maddening. Chrysler has never been the same. Cerberus did more damage and the subsequent owners even more.

Chrysler was riding high before all of this - the "cab forward" designs, the new-look Ram pickup, the Durango, the Viper - all of these were hits in the marketplace.

Bob Eaton completely misread the tea leaves about the market - he thought consolidation was going to happen on a massive scale, and he wanted to be out in front of it.

I don't think he could have picked a worse partner. Daimler was making uber-luxury cars, meticulously engineered and built to high tolerances. Chrysler was a mass-market automaker. Like mixing oil and water, corporate wise.

ab348 · July 17

@Michaell said:

I don't think he could have picked a worse partner. Daimler was making uber-luxury cars, meticulously engineered and built to high tolerances. Chrysler was a mass-market automaker. Like mixing oil and water, corporate wise.

Well, now they’re tied up with Fiat and Alfa, brands which have never sold well in the North American market.

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