Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

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This discussion was created from comments split from: Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous.

explorerx4

One of my kids told me(Huh? You know something current about Jaguar?) they dropped the Jagur head logo.
Kind of like Cadillac dropping the wreath.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

In the last 9 months of so of the Ram lease. So, of course already thinking of a replacement.

I’m very @stickguy like on this -

Short list -

Ram #2 but more equipped

Wagoneer - highly unlikely leases stink

XC90 #2 (T8 version)

EQS SUV (if leases hold up)

F150 Lightning (same comment as EQS)

Right now EQS 118K example just a touch under $800 / month with just first OOP

Would be tough to turn down.

I bet you could negotiate a killer deal on a Ford Lightning. We were recently running around the Mannheim auction in Newburgh NY and there must have been 200 brand new Lightnings stored in the back lot stacked up like cord wood. I’m sure that’s not the only place they’re sticking them.

stickguy

funny, but I thought about going for a cheapo lease on a lightning. If they exist. Of course, I should probably drive one first. That could cure me of wanting something that huge. I feel like my Maverick is a big car (it is pretty long) until I park between a couple of half tons, and it looks like a little baby. the odds of the wife being willing to drive one of them is below zero.

just dealing with crowded parking lots with one really does not look like fun.

suydam

I have seen several Lightnings at charging stations, so someone is buying/leasing them.

tjc78

Yes deals to be had on Lightening models for sure!

stickguy

Looks like the lightning only comes in jumbo size. So 8” wider and 3’ almost longer than my current PU. Plus the giant prow that I dont care for. Makes a Ridgeline look almost dainty.

roadburner

explorerx4 said:

One of my kids told me(Huh? You know something current about Jaguar?) they dropped the Jagur head logo.
Kind of like Cadillac dropping the wreath.

In my view, the abject weirdness of the entire production is a giant middle finger raised to current Jaguar owners. Who is going to buy the overpriced EVs Jaguar will build? The fans of the mutated Teletubbies in the ad?

28firefighter

This is definitely where I parked my car.

nyccarguy

Ok, so who is going to be the 1st punch on the new board?

@corvette - with the end of the year fast approaching, what's our total for '24? How does it compare to '23?

corvette

Looks like 35 so far this year. We had 41 in 2023, so not far off.

au1994

corvette said:

Looks like 35 so far this year. We had 41 in 2023, so not far off.

Get to work, team!!

au1994

stickguy said:

Looks like the lightning only comes in jumbo size. So 8” wider and 3’ almost longer than my current PU. Plus the giant prow that I dont care for. Makes a Ridgeline look almost dainty.

I’d love a full sized truck. Till I had to park it. Seriously, it would take an 8 point turn just for me to get in the garage.

au1994

I feel like we should have a memorial service for the old board. June 2004? Wow!

nyccarguy

corvette said:

Looks like 35 so far this year. We had 41 in 2023, so not far off.

Let's go slackers!

jmonroe1

corvette said:

Looks like 35 so far this year. We had 41 in 2023, so not far off.

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We shouldn’t worry. @breld can make that up in 2 weeks.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

au1994 said:

stickguy said:

Looks like the lightning only comes in jumbo size. So 8” wider and 3’ almost longer than my current PU. Plus the giant prow that I dont care for. Makes a Ridgeline look almost dainty.

I’d love a full sized truck. Till I had to park it. Seriously, it would take an 8 point turn just for me to get in the garage.

I don’t try to park my F-150 between cars. I park farther out where there’s more room to maneuver. Not a big problem, I park my Mustang farther out too to avoid door dings. I don’t think the truck would fit in my garage.

xwesx

Kirstie_H said:

Well, the timeouts in discussion have become intolerable again. Since y'all were in the midst of a truly scintillating conversation about Jaguar and Lightnings, I created a new thread - Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Part 2) - and seeded it with a few of the most recent posts. Like the others, we'll remove the "Part 2" from the title once the conversation gets going.

Do I detect just a *hint* of mockery in your tone?! This is serious stuff!

Thanks for throwing us a bone.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

au1994 said:

stickguy said:

Looks like the lightning only comes in jumbo size. So 8” wider and 3’ almost longer than my current PU. Plus the giant prow that I dont care for. Makes a Ridgeline look almost dainty.

I’d love a full sized truck. Till I had to park it. Seriously, it would take an 8 point turn just for me to get in the garage.

I don’t try to park my F-150 between cars. I park farther out where there’s more room to maneuver. Not a big problem, I park my Mustang farther out too to avoid door dings. I don’t think the truck would fit in my garage.

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Really? Neither side?

jmonroe

sda

corvette said:

Looks like 35 so far this year. We had 41 in 2023, so not far off.

I did my part

tifighter

Wow, feels roomy in here.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

au1994 said:

stickguy said:

Looks like the lightning only comes in jumbo size. So 8” wider and 3’ almost longer than my current PU. Plus the giant prow that I dont care for. Makes a Ridgeline look almost dainty.

I’d love a full sized truck. Till I had to park it. Seriously, it would take an 8 point turn just for me to get in the garage.

I don’t try to park my F-150 between cars. I park farther out where there’s more room to maneuver. Not a big problem, I park my Mustang farther out too to avoid door dings. I don’t think the truck would fit in my garage.

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Really? Neither side?

jmonroe

I only have one side at my house but now that you mention it, it might fit in the barn if I rollled the convertible out into the field.

mjfloyd1

tifighter said:

Wow, feels roomy in here.

I’ll use the word of the year - demure😎

28firefighter

@tifighter said:
Wow, feels roomy in here.

So much space for activities!

xwesx

Quick, let's get Sandy a longer car before we clutter it up again!

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

au1994 said:

stickguy said:

Looks like the lightning only comes in jumbo size. So 8” wider and 3’ almost longer than my current PU. Plus the giant prow that I dont care for. Makes a Ridgeline look almost dainty.

I’d love a full sized truck. Till I had to park it. Seriously, it would take an 8 point turn just for me to get in the garage.

I don’t try to park my F-150 between cars. I park farther out where there’s more room to maneuver. Not a big problem, I park my Mustang farther out too to avoid door dings. I don’t think the truck would fit in my garage.

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Really? Neither side?

jmonroe

I only have one side at my house but now that you mention it, it might fit in the barn if I rollled the convertible out into the field.

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That otta work. Attach a photo, or it never happened

jmonroe

nyccarguy

“(This is my husbands car and he subsequently provided this information. You'll be interacting with him on any correspondence. Thanks!)

-I've owned the car since August 2021, 98,000 miles (roughly).
-At 99,000 miles, both side head gaskets, timing belt, water pump assembly, thermostat, and the upper radiator hose were replaced.
-Routinely changed oil every 3,000 miles.
-In possession of original owners dealer routine checkup paperwork.
-Both heat and air conditioning work appropriately.
-Leather interior, very minimal wear and tear if any at all.
-CD player and Aux insert work fine.
-Have two sets of keys, complete with automatic start functionality. “

This particular Outback is an ‘09 (last year of production for this body style). Has about 112K miles on the odometer. The exterior and interior pics look good. The profile doesn’t show a dozen cars listed or sold. Seems to be located in a nice area of NJ. Originally asking $8,500. Price lowered to $7K.

au1994

Sounds pretty well taken care of @nyccarguy. Of course at this age and miles just about anything can crop up but he’s done some of the known, expensive stuff. $7k isnt bad today and if you get 2-3 years out of it without a major problem, its a win.

28firefighter

Tend to agree. @xwesx can give you a better sense.

stickguy

Having the big ticket repairs already done is big.

xwesx

I think y'all summed it up pretty well. I would ask about transmission and differentials (fluid changes - cannot remember if this year had an external filter on the trans or not). If those haven't been changed, they really need it at this point! This transmission is really easy to change the fluid on by using a flush technique via the transmission cooler lines.

au1994

punch, punch, punch!

Come on, try it, You wanna be cool? You wanna have friends?

stickguy

looks like I'm sitting out 2024 entirely. 25 not looking promising either

qbrozen

Unsuccessful evening at the bike dealer. I don’t think I’ll ever complain about car dealer fees again. $4900 motorcycle comes out to $7200 OTD. Say what?!

corvette

I had the one unplanned punch in 2024. The Ariya goes back at the very end of 2025 (December 18, IIRC), so I'll probably start casually looking for potential replacements a couple of months before. May or may not result in a punch--I still plan to have the Maverick, and I don't have to have a second vehicle.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Unsuccessful evening at the bike dealer. I don’t think I’ll ever complain about car dealer fees again. $4900 motorcycle comes out to $7200 OTD. Say what?!

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That is pretty bad. So now what? Buying used via private party could be risky if you don’t know very much about bikes. I guess you could get a PPI from a bike expert. Nothing ever seems to be easy.

jmonroe

suydam

nyccarguy said:

corvette said:

Looks like 35 so far this year. We had 41 in 2023, so not far off.

Let's go slackers!

Aren’t you one of them? I don’t see a ‘24 in your fleet.😁
I did my part.

qbrozen

@jmonroe1 said:
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That is pretty bad. So now what? Buying used via private party could be risky if you don’t know very much about bikes. I guess you could get a PPI from a bike expert. Nothing ever seems to be easy.

jmonroe

Just keeping our eyes peeled. For example, 2023 model of the bike he likes (Yamaha R3) is listed in the town next door for $5k. Has warranty. Waiting for the seller to get back to me.

I know engines, and it is pretty obvious to see if it has been dropped or in an accident. I’m not too worried.

venture

qbrozen said:

Unsuccessful evening at the bike dealer. I don’t think I’ll ever complain about car dealer fees again. $4900 motorcycle comes out to $7200 OTD. Say what?!

Sounds about right.

I was going to buy a scooter just to go to work at the baseball field every day during the spring and summer. That's the reason I didn't.

I wonder how many more units dealers would sell if they didn't have to make the big score on every potential deal, thereby leaving a bad taste in customers mouths? My Subaru dealer is almost there. It was fun buying from them before it came to simply making money any way they can.

tjc78

@nyccarguy
Sounds like a decent deal to me.

I was up your way the other day - visiting my new build in Ridgeway Center.

No punches in ‘24 for me but absolutely one in 25 (for those who are estimating 2025 punch count)

nyccarguy

@xwesx said:
I think y'all summed it up pretty well. I would ask about transmission and differentials (fluid changes - cannot remember if this year had an external filter on the trans or not). If those haven't been changed, they really need it at this point! This transmission is really easy to change the fluid on by using a flush technique via the transmission cooler lines.

Obviously at this age and price point, beggars can’t be choosers. I’m obviously going to look for the best combination of year (‘08-‘09), maintenance history (thanks again @xwesx for your input. It means a lot), rust free, mileage, & of course price. If all else is equal, you’ve spoken highly about the H6 engines and automatic transmissions. Is it worth the price premium or to buy a higher mileage or older vehicle vs a 2.5L 4 cylinder?

nyccarguy

tjc78 said:

@nyccarguy

Sounds like a decent deal to me.

I was up your way the other day - visiting my new build in Ridgeway Center.

No punches in ‘24 for me but absolutely one in 25 (for those who are estimating 2025 punch count)

Sweet! If you are ever up that way again and you have time, I'd love to meet up. 2 of the big New Haven "Apizza" shops have opened up in my town. Frank Pepe's is a stone's throw away from Ridgeway and is mostly takeout. Sally's is our favorite. It is downtown. The pizza is delicious and they have cider on tap. Now I know who you work for:)

That ridgeway shopping center is anxiety inducing for parking.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Unsuccessful evening at the bike dealer. I don’t think I’ll ever complain about car dealer fees again. $4900 motorcycle comes out to $7200 OTD. Say what?!

You need to explain that a little bit. Were you robbed by a biker gang on the way home?

qbrozen

@oldfarmer50 said:
You need to explain that a little bit. Were you robbed by a biker gang on the way home?

No, they tried to rob me while I was there. Ha.
We didn’t bite. Told her I have no interest with those fees. Even on used, they have a “reconditioning fee.” That’s one we’ve all definitely seen at used car dealers. But, just as with my speech to those car dealers, you put that in your asking price. A 4-yr-old version of the same Yamaha came to $6k. Only had a few hundred miles on it, but I said I was stuck at $5k OTD on that one. No go.

kyfdx

@nyccarguy I'll meet you for Apizza.. I'll even make a special trip.

Strangely enough, Connecticut is one of only two states, East of the Mississippi, that I haven't been to.

nyccarguy

au1994 said:

stickguy said:

Looks like the lightning only comes in jumbo size. So 8” wider and 3’ almost longer than my current PU. Plus the giant prow that I dont care for. Makes a Ridgeline look almost dainty.

I’d love a full sized truck. Till I had to park it. Seriously, it would take an 8 point turn just for me to get in the garage.

It was difficult enough for me to park a Tacoma with a 6' bed in some of the parking lots. I can't imagine a full sized truck. Unless the lease deal is too good to pass up.

nyccarguy

suydam said:

nyccarguy said:

corvette said:

Looks like 35 so far this year. We had 41 in 2023, so not far off.

Let's go slackers!

Aren’t you one of them? I don’t see a ‘24 in your fleet.😁
I did my part.

Guilty as charged! I punched the card 2x in '22 and once in '23. Zero for '24. The lease is up on the 4Xe in March of '25, so there will definitely be a punch for us in the upcoming year.

tjc78

@nyccarguy said:
Sweet! If you are ever up that way again and you have time, I'd love to meet up. 2 of the big New Haven "Apizza" shops have opened up in my town. Frank Pepe's is a stone's throw away from Ridgeway and is mostly takeout. Sally's is our favorite. It is downtown. The pizza is delicious and they have cider on tap. Now I know who you work for:)

That ridgeway shopping center is anxiety inducing for parking.

We had a space there for years and then the LL wanted to redo everything when Bed Bath closed so we had to go dark for awhile and then moved into half of the old Bed Bath space.

I had four signs installed and big blue awnings. You can’t miss us!

This was a super fast trip - drove up Monday night after dinner and was out of town by 11 Tuesday heading to my other new build in East Brunswick.

If I have to head up again I’ll PM you.

Oh and yes that place is a mad house!

Michaell

No punches planned for 2025, unless my employment status changes.

We did have a somewhat unexpected punch for 2024, so we did our part this year.

kyfdx

Got my punch in this year.. hopefully, nothing else in 2025, unless I sell the Cayman

roadburner

No punches unless I win one of the raffles that I entered.