Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous

au1994

Nice pic!

xwesx

tifighter said:

Just visiting

Looking pretty dry there..... I thought you weren't allowed on that side of the range! There's just no place safe anymore.

explorerx4

That color clashes with the background. We need a waterside shot.

jmonroe1

au1994 said:

Nice pic!

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Of what?

jmonroe

mjfloyd1

Daughter’s 21 wrangler 4xe gremlins continue. So far:

Towed for won’t start 1.5 yrs ago - software upgrade

Towed for won’t start 6 months later - 12 v battery replaced

Towed for won’t start 5 weeks ago - 95B recall performed and dealer claims 12 v battery good - Stellantis did reimburse for a rental.

Yesterday jumped since it wouldn’t start. Dropped off at dealer who now says 12 v battery bad.

This will be third 12 v in the 42 months (18,000 miles) that we have had it.

Ugh. Looking at alternatives since it will be gone if this happens again. CRV hybrid, RAV 4 hybrid, CX 50
Hybrid??

Mine has been good other than it is on its third steering stabilizer.

corvette

Yikes! RAV4 Prime would have a more similar powertrain, and I think it still includes a real spare tire.

mjfloyd1

It’s really odd since the hybrid battery is what really starts the 4xe. There is no alternator and the IDCM charges the 12 v. Wondering if the IDCM is bad or if it is just one of the many crappy Mopar batteries. Dealer claims that there is some 12 v battery drain but he can’t diagnose with the current bad 12 v. $440 to replace (3 yr warranty). She loves the wrangler but hates the experience especially being in PA school and horrible timing as she was going to drive to Chicago to see her boyfriend. She was at least able to drive her traveling companion PA student’s Bronco sport…

stickguy

Car and Driver (pretty sure it was them) just had a comparison of the CRV and CX50. I saw it online. They liked both, just have different personalities and strengths. My daughter loves her new CX50 hybrid FWIW. Mazda also uses the Rav4 powertrain so should have the same reliability. My DIL has a 1 YO CRV hybrid and really likes that also.

I have the same question about the 12V. The only issue with the Maverick is a flakey 12V set-up. The BMS does not appear to be programmed correctly so the 12V does not charge like it should. And since the only purpose it has is to wake up the electronics, it is tiny. I heard they were designed to have an AGM battery but for some reason Ford put normal batteries in instead and did not recalibrate for it.

since there is a large hybrid battery on board, why can't that trickle charge the 12V if it gets low? Hard to imagine that it will get run down too far!

stickguy

Also, with that many stranding events, if that was my wife's car I would have already been told to make it go away, as she would not even ride in it never mind go drive it.

stickguy

came out from a store tonight with the wife, and a C8 (sharp looking red) was parked next to my truck (which looked like an F250 towering over it! but skinnier) so I asked the boss if we should get one of those. She said is was nice looking but was quite skeptical about being able to get in and out of it. I said we could just stop at the dealer and try it. She did not say much in response to that.

corvette

Pathfinder got about 23 MPG over 175 miles. That’s pretty good considering it felt like most of the two lane roads I drove on in Idaho had four way stop signs every mile. 6 AM flight tomorrow morning and they’re calling for tornadoes back home. Fun times!

xwesx

corvette said:

Pathfinder got about 23 MPG over 175 miles. That’s pretty good considering it felt like most of the two lane roads I drove on in Idaho had four way stop signs every mile. 6 AM flight tomorrow morning and they’re calling for tornadoes back home. Fun times!

What, are you saying you'd rather not spin up some fun times? It's like you just had yourself an adventure!

roadburner

@tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:
I was surprised how easy it was. Even my wife can figure it out

I have just about every TV between both houses on Roku. Same interface and remote .. even my Mom is an expert lol. Some are native Roku others have a Roku stick or box

I have one Android TV (Sony) and one Samsung … their interfaces are garbage compared to Roku. I think the one in my office that is used as a monitor is a Fire TV. Not much experience with that one

I have both of my TVs on Roku; between my son an I we have just about every streaming service known to man.

corvette

My parents were paying something like $200/month for DirecTV and cut the cord several years ago. I detest the ads on Roku and the way they add new (useless) features to the column on the left of the home screen, which I then have to go into settings to remove, but I don't think Fire sticks are any better. Before we started sharing Prime and Netflix, I was a serial subscriber. I'd subscribe to one service, watch everything I wanted to watch, cancel, and then pick another.

corvette

The 2024 bZ4X appears to have a lot of lease cash, depending on region. I'd wager that, if you could find a dealer desperate to clear out their inventory, it would make for an attractive deal. I've driven the Solterra, and it was fine, although the positioning of the gauges annoyed me.

corvette

Because I'm a nerd and was bored, I made a spreadsheet to calculate the cost of fuel for a given trip on the Maverick vs. the Ariya, which reflects the costs of gas (Maverick) and home and public charging on the Ariya, and has inputs for starting and ending state of charge. This has probably already been done better that I did it, but whatever...

Looks like the Ariya is generally lest costly through up to about a 250 mile roundtrip, but it's going to need a fast charge to get there, which may mean you're sitting for 30+ minutes while it charges. At interstate speeds, and for convenience purposes, I'm going to say 200 miles is the max. That's enough to visit the Cincinnati Art Museum for a bit, use their Level 2 chargers, possibly walk to grab a meal nearby, and drive home. I've also done trips to Indianapolis and Dayton, and the amount of time spent at DC fast chargers was annoying and really ate into the time I had allotted for the day trip. Of course, the Maverick can do any of those trips with no fuel stops.

stickguy

how close is it? And of course, the cost of your time spent at a charger has to count for something!

Assuming it is close, if you reran the analysis with my hybrid version instead the results would come out the other way.

kyfdx

stickguy said:

how close is it? And of course, the cost of your time spent at a charger has to count for something!

Assuming it is close, if you reran the analysis with my hybrid version instead the results would come out the other way.

About 100 miles each way, in the art museum example

stickguy

I meant how close was the Cost difference.

qbrozen

Was really pulled to this Cayenne Turbo on ebay in Florida from a private seller. 2011 with 60k miles. Don't find that every day. I was first in at $16k starting price and had a $17k top bid. Took about a day before someone topped me. I then threw another shot at $17.6k. That should have put me right about $20k total with taxes, shipping, and reg. That lasted maybe 30 seconds before I was outbid again. I could throw 18, but it wouldn't stick, I'm sure. So, moving on. Now I'm really close to pulling the trigger on this Jag. Miles are just a tiny bit higher than I'd prefer (kind of have a line in my mind of 65k, but I have no idea why), but it is a very good price if there are no issues. I have an email out to them now to see what more info they can give me, if any.

nyccarguy

@qbrozen said:
Was really pulled to this Cayenne Turbo on ebay in Florida from a private seller. 2011 with 60k miles. Don't find that every day. I was first in at $16k starting price and had a $17k top bid. Took about a day before someone topped me. I then threw another shot at $17.6k. That should have put me right about $20k total with taxes, shipping, and reg. That lasted maybe 30 seconds before I was outbid again. I could throw 18, but it wouldn't stick, I'm sure. So, moving on. Now I'm really close to pulling the trigger on this Jag. Miles are just a tiny bit higher than I'd prefer (kind of have a line in my mind of 65k, but I have no idea why), but it is a very good price if there are no issues. I have an email out to them now to see what more info they can give me, if any.

Good luck! Keep us posted!

pensfan83

Was really pulled to this Cayenne Turbo on ebay in Florida from a private seller. 2011 with 60k miles. Don't find that every day. I was first in at $16k starting price and had a $17k top bid. Took about a day before someone topped me. I then threw another shot at $17.6k. That should have put me right about $20k total with taxes, shipping, and reg. That lasted maybe 30 seconds before I was outbid again. I could throw 18, but it wouldn't stick, I'm sure. So, moving on. Now I'm really close to pulling the trigger on this Jag. Miles are just a tiny bit higher than I'd prefer (kind of have a line in my mind of 65k, but I have no idea why), but it is a very good price if there are no issues. I have an email out to them now to see what more info they can give me, if any.

Ah, #1 Cochran, I have not had the best of luck with them but hopefully you do. That store is about 45 minutes from me.

28firefighter

They are not #1 in my book.

qbrozen

Well, thus far, I got an intro email. Nothing else.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Was really pulled to this Cayenne Turbo on ebay in Florida from a private seller. 2011 with 60k miles. Don't find that every day. I was first in at $16k starting price and had a $17k top bid. Took about a day before someone topped me. I then threw another shot at $17.6k. That should have put me right about $20k total with taxes, shipping, and reg. That lasted maybe 30 seconds before I was outbid again. I could throw 18, but it wouldn't stick, I'm sure. So, moving on. Now I'm really close to pulling the trigger on this Jag. Miles are just a tiny bit higher than I'd prefer (kind of have a line in my mind of 65k, but I have no idea why), but it is a very good price if there are no issues. I have an email out to them now to see what more info they can give me, if any.

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That link doesn’t work for me. I get directed to CarGurus. But I see others note who the dealer is. They are the largest mega dealer around here. FWIW, I don’t care for them.

jmonroe

qbrozen

Odd. Link still working for me.
They never replied today after the first intro email.

explorerx4

@qbrozen,
It's probably cached on your browser.

qbrozen

No clue. I had posted before from my laptop. That pic above is from the app on my phone.
Is it not working now for anyone else?

xwesx

When I click on it, it takes me to CarGurus, but just shows me a big results list of about 8,500 cars.

pensfan83

Worked for me

corvette

@stickguy said:
I meant how close was the Cost difference.

Breakeven was roughly 250 miles using my assumptions. Maverick is cheaper on fuel beyond that, assuming you’re doing mostly DCFC. On longer trips, you do get a “free lunch” if you stay at hotels that provide free charging, but you’d still have to DCFC at various times during the trip. I’ll be taking the Maverick to Omaha in May.

jmonroe1

xwesx said:

When I click on it, it takes me to CarGurus, but just shows me a big results list of about 8,500 cars.

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I got just under 9900 cars on CarGurus. But once I knew the dealer I sorted on Jags in my area code and got a list of around 50 Jags.

jmonroe

suydam

corvette said:

Because I'm a nerd and was bored, I made a spreadsheet to calculate the cost of fuel for a given trip on the Maverick vs. the Ariya, which reflects the costs of gas (Maverick) and home and public charging on the Ariya, and has inputs for starting and ending state of charge. This has probably already been done better that I did it, but whatever...

Looks like the Ariya is generally lest costly through up to about a 250 mile roundtrip, but it's going to need a fast charge to get there, which may mean you're sitting for 30+ minutes while it charges. At interstate speeds, and for convenience purposes, I'm going to say 200 miles is the max. That's enough to visit the Cincinnati Art Museum for a bit, use their Level 2 chargers, possibly walk to grab a meal nearby, and drive home. I've also done trips to Indianapolis and Dayton, and the amount of time spent at DC fast chargers was annoying and really ate into the time I had allotted for the day trip. Of course, the Maverick can do any of those trips with no fuel stops.

The Ariya can’t manage a 200 mi. trip without charging?
For us, charging, even at the fast chargers, is always cheaper than gas. I don’t mind “sitting for 30 minutes” because we are going to stop every 150 mi. or so to get some coffee, maybe let the dog get a walk, change drivers etc. anyway. So we would do that even with an ICE car. Our days of driving straight through are well in the past.
We are planning a 400 mile trip to Northern California in the next week or so. I’m planning 2 stops mainly because a large portion of that is driving through miles of nowhere. I’d do that with an ICE vehicle too.
But taking the EV isn’t just about cost. The Blazer is simply a great road trip car.

explorerx4

People that drive electric cars are contiually trying to get others to lower the bar over longer distances.
If I was driving a Hellcat Redeye, I might have to stop every couple of hundred miles to refuel(less than 10 minutes max including a bio break).
Needing to refuel? 450 to 600 miles with anything we own.
30 minutes eat? If we are traveling with the grandkids ok, they eat slow.

Michaell

Member needs help choosing wheels for a 2025 X3

explorerx4

I just checked my Ford app. It reports 161 miles and 25% of range left.
Trying to get through my first tank of fuel. It's not easy.

jmonroe1

explorerx4 said:

I just checked my Ford app. It reports 161 miles and 25% of range left.
Trying to get through my first tank of fuel. It's not easy.

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Are you trying to say that if you had an EV you would have only used 55 volts?

jmonroe

corvette

suydam said:

The Ariya can’t manage a 200 mi. trip without charging?

Not if you have the lower capacity battery and drive over 70 on the interstate. The Maverick gets roughly 30 MPG (over EPA rating) at 70 and 28 MPG at 80, running premium.

kyfdx

corvette said:

suydam said:

The Ariya can’t manage a 200 mi. trip without charging?

Not if you have the lower capacity battery and drive over 70 on the interstate. The Maverick gets roughly 30 MPG (over EPA rating) at 70 and 28 MPG at 80, running premium.

Does the Maverick require premium?

stickguy

not required. But can get some extra HP on it per the ratings (assuming you spend your time winding out the engine on a compact PU!) I did not spend much time on mine running over 5K RPMs.

kyfdx

stickguy said:

not required. But can get some extra HP on it per the ratings (assuming you spend your time winding out the engine on a compact PU!) I did not spend much time on mine running over 5K RPMs.

My GTI is the same way.. a few more HP with premium. I doubt it would get better highway mileage. Not that 2 mpg matters much, when you are already getting 36 mpg.

But, the premium "premium" is so high around here, I usually don't get it. Last time it was $2.68 vs. $4.19.

stickguy

I remember when going up a grade was about $.10 so about $.20 from RUG to PUG. Now it is always well over a dollar, and even going to mid-grade can be a jump from $3 to $3.70

graphicguy

suydam said:

corvette said:

Because I'm a nerd and was bored, I made a spreadsheet to calculate the cost of fuel for a given trip on the Maverick vs. the Ariya, which reflects the costs of gas (Maverick) and home and public charging on the Ariya, and has inputs for starting and ending state of charge. This has probably already been done better that I did it, but whatever...

Looks like the Ariya is generally lest costly through up to about a 250 mile roundtrip, but it's going to need a fast charge to get there, which may mean you're sitting for 30+ minutes while it charges. At interstate speeds, and for convenience purposes, I'm going to say 200 miles is the max. That's enough to visit the Cincinnati Art Museum for a bit, use their Level 2 chargers, possibly walk to grab a meal nearby, and drive home. I've also done trips to Indianapolis and Dayton, and the amount of time spent at DC fast chargers was annoying and really ate into the time I had allotted for the day trip. Of course, the Maverick can do any of those trips with no fuel stops.

The Ariya can’t manage a 200 mi. trip without charging?
For us, charging, even at the fast chargers, is always cheaper than gas. I don’t mind “sitting for 30 minutes” because we are going to stop every 150 mi. or so to get some coffee, maybe let the dog get a walk, change drivers etc. anyway. So we would do that even with an ICE car. Our days of driving straight through are well in the past.
We are planning a 400 mile trip to Northern California in the next week or so. I’m planning 2 stops mainly because a large portion of that is driving through miles of nowhere. I’d do that with an ICE vehicle too.
But taking the EV isn’t just about cost. The Blazer is simply a great road trip car.

Have done a few road trips in the EV6....from my home in the Greater Cincinnati area. Indianapolis a few times to see my Sister. Can go up and back on one charge.

Have done Chicago a couple of times. Have to stop once in each direction. The first time I found a fast charger and charging from about 20% was about 15-20 minutes. Some seem to be in different states of efficiency. The ones in rural areas tend to be less efficient (as well as differing states of operation).

I don't charge at home until I have about 50 miles left of charge left. The EV6 generally estimates 300 mile range (a little less when cold, a little more when warm). So, overall charging about every 250 miles.

The Kia app shows where all the Electrify America stations are. They aren't as plentiful as petrol stations. But, have found the Electrify America stations relatively easy to get to and easy to find.

tjc78

@stickguy said:
I remember when going up a grade was about $.10 so about $.20 from RUG to PUG. Now it is always well over a dollar, and even going to mid-grade can be a jump from $3 to $3.70

Just noticed here in NJ it was .75 swing from regular to premium

corvette

The EcoBoost Maverick will run regular, but MPGs suffer, and it adds about a second to the 0-60 time (the latter being the reason I run premium).

kyfdx

My butt-o-meter can’t even tell the difference on the GTI.

stickguy

I tried it a few times on MPG. Same trip, on RUG and PUG. IIRC the regular run returned better MPG when there was a difference but overall I did not notice anything material.

for acceleration, I didn't take the Maverick to the drag strip and never maxed out what it could do on RUG so having a little extra if I wanted to run it to redline was never going to matter to me.

mjfloyd1

@kyfdx said:
My butt-o-meter can’t even tell the difference on the GTI.

I thought it was the butt Dyno?

kyfdx

mjfloyd1 said:

@kyfdx said:

My butt-o-meter can’t even tell the difference on the GTI.

I thought it was the butt Dyno?

fancy schmancy

Sandman6472

Haven't tried hi-test in the Golf yet but haven't had it on the highway in a bit either. 90% of my driving is in a maybe 10 mile radius from the house and have been averaging a 1/4 of a tank every 2 weeks, give or take. Filled up on the 9th of March and as of today, a week later, have used a 1/4 of the tank...4 16th's if you will. I stayed home last Wednesday as I had nowhere I needed to be, so don't do any unnecessary driving at this point. Have done just over 2K miles, 2035 miles to be exact, since my last oil change on 7/25/24, if my crude figures are correct. So, still saying I average around 3K miles/year with my insurance company. Planning a trip to Northern Florida some time in May to see the girls and the new grand-dog and thinking of renting something smallish from work. Especially since I think I'll still have the Golf on my side of the garage, would rather put those miles on a small rental. Something like the Rav4 we had last time or even a Corolla Cross since it'll just be the two of us driving up to Orlando & St. Augustine. With our employee discount and summer rates in Florida, think the weekly charge won't be that much at all. And don't want to tempt the fates with anything going wrong with the Golf.

I know my single daughter wants me to move in up there & just come back down every 90 days to see my pain doctor. That would mean giving up Enterprise which would be just fine with me. I know my wife is talking about going another couple of years until she cuts back to only TurboTax plus her private clients. This way, I could get a good look at which area we want to end up at. The oldest & her husband live just south of Orlando, St. Cloud, and have no plans to move any time soon. Hoping for our daughter in St. Augustine to re-locate down to the Orlando area also as we'd like to be within a 45 minute drive between both of them...an hour at tops. I mean FaceTime is nice & all but we'd like to see each other much more often as we miss them & they us. Haven't met the grand-dog yet either in person so don't want to miss these moments with them any longer. And we're not the kind of parents to just come over whenever we like as we understand sometimes too much is well, too much! But the time to finally move out of South Florida is approaching...sooner then later!