The Stock Market and Investing

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    My guess on Apple stock is Greed. A company that size should be sharing the wealth with the stockholders. Stocks people buy and hold are usually ones that pay dividends. That and the size has to scare a lot of buyers like myself away.
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    I sure agree.....What is the purpose if not to derive some sort of return after taking such chances.......I`m afraid my generation and the new generation just don`t understand each other :) What a `crock`to observe the market gyrations day after day....Tony
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    There is a part of me that would like to jump into the fray with the day traders. I just don't have what it takes to concentrate that well. I have only bought more stock over the last year. So far what I have bought has gained. Most from tips in this forum. HPQ being the best so far.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited November 2011
    Tony,

    I recently posted that it makes sense to make moderate purchases of AAPL when its share price is down. In addition, I suggested that if someone owns a whole lot of shares they should consider selling a little of the top cream at high share price spikes, and then repurchase at dips.

    I have been slowly buying AAPL shares during the recent dips, and I suggest that you do the same. You don't have to roll the dice all at once as you did previously. Just accumulate shares at good prices and hold them. This is the only way to own AAPL at this point.

    I am not just saying this, as I am actually doing this myself. I am very moderately buying AAPL shares within the $375-$385 price range. If it goes lower than that, then I would be a more aggressive buyer. If it should spike, I would probably sell off a small number of those shares and wait for another opportunity to buy them back again for a lower share price.

    As I write this, I now own a moderate number of shares (could be more or less later, depending upon the price, as I have buy and sell limit orders in place)... not a ton, but I am carefully building my position, as I have indicated above. I really think you owe it to yourself to consider this... perhaps Gary should do this also, because he has shown interest....and the three of us can compare notes next year at this time and see where we are at. I suspect we would be glad we did this together.

    TM
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Hello Mr Tag

    I`m feeling ,as you did, several months ago about aapl.....If a person thinks it is a worthy holding, then purchase an amount of shares that is suffficient and go on about life...

    There is something `fishy` the way the stock trades, and I personally am not going to purchase any unless it is near earnings report, and then just for a trade....
    I was with my grandchildren , and they all have apple products, so apples future is as bright as ever, until the fad changes, vs something like ibm, which has a better model for the long term, that would be what I would be more happy with

    I swear we all have been spooked at one time or another ....writing about apple....I just don`t trust my instincts with it, but do agree with your analogy on how to profit from it..I`m just tired..and this whole market syndrome is tedious at best.... now if the market plunges and apple appears a bargain I`l change with the `wind` Tony ps that could be any moment the way thing are
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Yes indeed! This market is too sick and tiring. That is why I have not been trading, as you know. But, yet again, AAPL shares are weird until earnings. So, now we know it makes more sense to buy them now, while they are dipping, then wait until they go up surrounding earnings season.

    I needed to stop by Scottrade office today, and I was talking with some guys over there, and they think that there is a fairly good chance the whole global market could blow up soon, and even if it doesn't, there is so much fear that there are buying opportunities as a result.

    So, I have bought a moderate amount of AAPL, and if it goes down more I will take advantage by buying more... and HOLD all those shares until there is a reason to sell.

    If Apple reports bad numbers next round (which I think is unlikely but possible), I would then sell my AAPL shares and be through with
    Apple. If the numbers are good, I will continue to be invested in Apple.

    That is why I still think you should consider buying a very moderate number of shares now instead of later.

    TM
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Thanks Tag I appreciate you philosophy, and you are probably right about this timing.....I`m just tired of the whole thing, and as I plan on being in Miami shortly, just don`t want to mess up my `time` down there thinking about appl..

    It`s always nice to get down there, right in the middle of the city, as it is such a vibrant place.....I get a nice perspective from all the people I see, and usually get a good feeling about what the economy is up to....Ironically the real estate market is a leading indicator for most of the `East Coast`....I`l let everyone know my observations :)

    Sometimes money just needs to be forgotten about, and frankly no matter how well I were to do, the taxes take a big chunk of any gain, and then if I were to loose, I get no write off...Rigged game...Rigged market...Tony
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited November 2011
    I am typing on my new Kindle Fire. Have all my email accounts loaded. Not sure I will ever get used to this keyboard. Has self correct which nice with my fat fingers. For $199 it is real good.

    PS
    It has the clearest screen of any device I have played with.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited November 2011
    Sounds nice. I read a major review on the device... mixed pros and cons, as I expected... but for the price, it's hard to beat. I think the Nook Tablet is its closest competition, and it will be interesting to read some head-to-head reviews. I still own my Nook Color, and it has been terrific, although now it is upstaged by the Nook Tablet, however some of the streaming video features features of the Nook Tablet are going to be updated to the Nook Color, so I will look forward to that.

    The Nook Color and Nook Tablet's gorgeous displays can can be viewed in direct sunlight, which is a great feature. Unfortunately, the iPad's display cannot be viewed very well in sunlight. What about the Kindle Fire?

    BTW, I looked at the iPhone 4S up close today (as a Christmas gift for my daughter), and I also looked at the Samsung Epic 4G (for myself). WOW! The Epic is off the chart amazing. Side by side with the iPhone, feature by feature it is superior in almost EVERY way, by a huge margin. Couple of iPhone advantages, but Sammy's Epic just crushes the iPhone, and everything looks better than anything I have ever seen on any phone, due to it's amazing 4.5" Super AMOLED display. You mentioned wanting to get a smartphone recently... well, you might want to look at the Samsung Epic 4G. I haven't seen the new RAZR yet, but I will bet it's a real beauty as well.

    TM
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,279
    Considering one for my wife's birthday, next month...

    Keep us updated on your thoughts about it...

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  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited November 2011
    That's a great idea! My wife hinted at a good e-reader for Christmas... and the basic models of the Kindle and Nook can't be read in the dark with their non-lit e-ink displays. Only the Kindle Fire, Nook Color and the brand-new just-released Nook Tablet have displays that light up. I am definitely going to read some head-to-head comparison reviews between the Kindle Fire and the Nook Tablet, and then make a choice.

    So far, there have already been about 1,000 reviews of the Kindle Fire, and the concensus is clearly lukewarm. It took about 2 years for the iPad to get that many reviews! So, it will be fascinating to see how the new Nook Tablet stacks up. The Nook Tablet's specifications show it is packing more than the Kindle Fire, but we'll have to see if it's superior specifications are worth the additional 50 dollar price tag (although they are supposedly discounted to new B&N members), and if the Nook Tablets's extra punch truly proves itself in its reviews.

    Good thing is that these comparison reviews will be forthcoming any day or even any moment now... plenty early enough to pick the better product in time for your wife's birthday and one for my wife's Christmas presents. I can hardly wait to read the reviews and comparisons... depending on those reviews, she will have either a new Kindle Fire, or a new Nook Tablet.

    Great idea, thanks again!

    TM
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It was dark when the mail arrived, so have not had it out in the sunshine. Will update on that. I really did not get much chance to play with the Nook Color at Best Buy. The Kindle Fire was an impulse buy. The keyboard is very sensitive and I am a touch typist so it seems very slow to me. I would like to play with the Samsung Tab 10.1 also. It is time for me to leave the 20th century. Giving up DOS for Windows was also difficult. :shades:

    I am considering a smartphone. At this point I don't think I would settle for less than the new Android 4.0. The reason being is with the Samsung Galaxy Nexus and that operating system you can instantly link to your tablet. If you like the Epic I think the Nexus with the latest Android system will blow you away. The kicker is it will only be available on Verizon to start. If that is not your carrier of choice there will be a wait. Check it out.

    http://www.google.com/nexus/#utm_campaign=us&utm_source=ha-bk&utm_medium=sem&utm- _term=%2Bgalaxy%20%2Bnexus
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    So far, there have already been about 1,000 reviews of the Kindle Fire, and the concensus is clearly lukewarm.

    Just reading a few of the 182 1* reviews. I can see that people expect a lot from a device today. I am sure the complaints were all legitimate. I think it will depend on what a person expects when they open the box. I had no preconceived ideas, so I would have been one of the 614 that give it a 5* rating. I am going to AZ for a week at my sister's place. I will get more chance to play with it. I did download a couple movie trailers and they seemed very smooth and watchable. Not likely I would use it for that. Mostly email and web browsing. I did notice some kindle books work great and others not so great. I cannot believe how small I can go and still read it clearly. Much better than my 14" Dell Laptop.

    I was not able to put in my password to try it with Scottrade. I think you have to have the mobile App.

    All that said. It is worth a try and Amazon has the best return policy in the business, with freight paid both ways and NO restocking fee.
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Member Posts: 767
    I wonder how BB Playbook compares to Kindle Fire? I've read a lot of good reviews on the device. I might pick one up as they are on sales for CAD 199$.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited November 2011
    Please continue to give me the feedback as soon as possible. I have just finished reading quite a few reviews that are already out and compare the two devices. There seems to be a very slight preference for the Kindle Fire at the consumer level, but at the tech level the preference seems to be for the Nook Tablet... but ALL preferences in either direction are very slight because the devices each have their own small advantages. Personally, I like the looks of the Kindle better, but some of the hardware advantages of the Nook are appealing. For the price, I'd probably pick the Kindle Fire, but I'd like hear a little more from you and read some more reviews as they come out over the next few days.

    I just read the WSJ review, but it is worthless, IMO, because it is only a reprint of the ZDNET review which is just one guy's impression and he seems quite biased in favor of the Kindle... if you watch the video, every time there is a glitch with the Kindle he completely ignores it!... and moves on to something else. I still want to read some more reviews, but so far I am leaning slightly towards the Kindle Fire.

    Please keep me posted as soon as you are able. I want to place my order soon.

    THANKS!

    TM

    EDIT... If Apple offered a 7" iPad, I'd order a dozen of 'em. Why doesn't Apple just take over the ENTIRE market? They could easily do so! Sometimes they are idiots. I posted earlier that I compared the iPhone 4s yesterday, and it sucks by comparison to some of the high-powered Android phones. I have to assume that the iPhone 5 is the one that's going to really be the game-changer.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    The drawback with the Playbook is that it does not have native e-mail capability. You have to pair it with a BB device to use e-mail. Personally the Playbook has been an utter failure for RIM and is indicative of is current state. I have a feeling that RIM may not be around another 24 months.

    The Kindle Fire is a well priced low end tablet but in reality it's nothing more than an Amazon storefront. It is designed to get the users to utilize Amazon as their primary source for video and audio. One reveiwer gave Amazon high marks for being able to charge customers for easy access to their products.
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Member Posts: 767
    Agree that it does not look good for RIM right now, but with the right alliance, I think it can come back. Just look at Motorola.
    I don't intend to use native email on the tablet since I am in love with my HTC Raider.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Is AAPL a "buy" today at $375?

    I think so. If not, what the heck would it take?

    TM
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited November 2011
    I certainly think so but the probllem is Europe and its effects on investors holding anything for more than a day. I think the fear of a collapse of the euro in Greece and italy, and the debt problems in France are weighing heavily on our market causing a 20-30% undervaluing of stocks in general. I never liked the concept of a single currency in Europe. It screwed countries like Greece by inflating goods/services and it rewarded countries like Germany by helping their exports. Now the rich countries think they can continue to have their cake and eat it too. This was all covered up in the days of free flowing easy money but as soon as money tightened up the problems increased very quickly. Now without a central bank ala the US you have the problem of the richer countries not wanting to help the poorer countries for fear of inflation, which is even more seriously overplayed in Europe than it is here. But if Greece pulls out of the Euro, which I think it should, countries like Germany are going to find their exports and by process of that their economies hurt. If it spreads to Italy and France having to do the same thing than the Euro is doomed. In any case its a dire situation and is going to take years to resolve. So stocks as a whole probably stay undervalued. In the end the issue is what is the right discount factor. Is it 10%, 20% , 30% or more and where should companies like Apple be in relation to the average discount of stocks. I would think its a time to only invest in blue chip stocks. The US should be a lot less effected but the problem is the interconnection of global investment trading. Ultimately it'll lead to investors wanting to pour more money into the US stock market because it'll be the more seriously undervalued, but the issue is when does that happen.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I never liked the concept of a single currency in Europe. It screwed countries like Greece by inflating goods/services and it rewarded countries like Germany by helping their exports.

    Your post is spot on and in complete agreement with what we heard this week at the luncheon with our financial planner. He made this suggestion for Greece. Dump the Euro, go back to the Drachma at 50% of the Euro. It would immediately make Greece a bargain for the tourist. Greece really does not offer much to the World outside of its wonderful tourist attraction. He also concluded the volatility in the market will be with US into the foreseeable future. He suggested buying the stocks with good corporate earnings as most are undervalued.

    I asked about electronic trading. His only comment, it is here to stay. His visit this year to the floor of the NY stock exchange was very revealing. Not like in the past with all the yelling and screaming orders. Just silent electronic trading. Sounds like they have taken all the fun out of being on the floor. He is of the opinion to buy good stocks and hold them. He did mention Warren Buffett's big buy into IBM as an indication of what may be undervalued.

    Just as an observation. I am nearly 69 and was one of the youngest people out of about 150 at the luncheon. He always asks the oldest client to stand up and this time a 96 year old gentleman stood up. He didn't look a day over 90.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,494
    The greatest problem with the Euro zone isn't the mere currency, but the lack of sovereignty offered to member states. Greece is feeling this as it is being dictated to by slimy suits in Brussels.

    I don't know what percentage of German exports are snapped up by the Greeks and I can't believe it is huge, but if they do escape, I can't see that alone breaking Germany. A French or Italian collapse would hurt them a lot more. Really, the time for the EU has come and gone. Time to dump it. Germany will still be able to export - the rest of the region still doesn't have quite the engineering knack or work ethic.

    I can't see a logical reason why a Euro collapse wouldn't aid the US greatly - even with all the problems, the US and its currency is still the most stable thing out there. I also can't see a logical reason why the Euro is valued so highly, however. But in a system controlled by speculation and manipulation, logic isn't of value.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited November 2011
    I don't know what percentage of German exports are snapped up by the Greeks and I can't believe it is huge, but if they do escape, I can't see that alone breaking Germany.

    Greece is the tip of the iceberg. Once one country does it you'll see a domino effect in the others and ultimately it could carry all the way to France. That would end the euro. If the euro wasn't in existence the northern Euopean country currencies would all be more expensive (relative to the euro) making their exports a lot more expensive. Anything that threatens the euro threatens the German economy, which has already slowed considerably as it is. So right now northern Europe has all the benefits of a cheaper currency thanks to the euro but long term if they d'ont bail out the poorer south they will strangle themselves.

    NY Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/19/business/global/bank-chief-rejects-calls-to-re- - - scue-euro-zone.html?ref=business
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,494
    edited November 2011
    In a way I hope it happens to some extent, just to end the Brussels groupthink. I have to wonder if the overall economic cost of bailing out the poorer places is greater or less than the cost of a Euro collapse - for Germany anyway. The Euro is greatly overvalued already IMO, how much more could a new world DM or Guilder be worth?

    Maybe Germany should dictate working hours and entitlement benefits to bailed out nations - what's good for the hardest workers should be good for all. Or, resentment from that might hasten the decline of the Euro.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    I also picked up a kindle fire this week. I have had the original kindle for 3 years and it has been great for reading. I use it every day. I plan on continuing to use the original kindle for most of my reading.

    I like the Fire, and it is a great bargain, but certainly not something that I really needed or had to have. I will use it mostly for email, web browsing, and possibly movies while traveling, etc.. Since it is wi-fi only it is not as portable as my android 4-G. If you are mobile you have to find a hot spot to access the web. My 4-G can operate as a mobile hot spot, but then I can just use my phone instead of the Fire.

    As far as how well the Fire works, I have no complaints. I took to it really fast because of my previous experience with the kindle, so I had no trouble syncing with my other electronics and email. The thing is really well made and sturdy.

    One nice feature is that I can now read in bed without a book light and won't disturb my wife. Like any computer or cell phone it tends to dim out in direct sunlight. My old kindle has the advantage there since it uses e-ink technology.

    I am happy with it, but it is certainly not something you have to have.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    An interesting report .. thanks.. If you make your 4g a hot spot, can you then use your `fire` ?? Tony
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Yes you can.

    Again, at $200. the Fire is hard to turn down, but other than watching movies, etc. it doesn't bring much to the table that I can't already do.

    Earlier this year I tried out an ipad and felt the same way about it so I returned it. I could not justify $600. for a tablet...but at $200. I can. Especially since the fire is a pretty neat little gadget.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited November 2011
    I agree. My Nook Color does a few tricks beyond being a great e-reader... such as email, web browsing, thousands of apps, and with the next update video streaming as well.

    But, like you, my 4G phone does everything, so what's the point of a tablet? When it boils down to it, even though it can do many things, the Nook Color & Nook Tablets's best feature is a simply being a great e-reader... day or night, inside or outdoors.

    The best mobile phones now offer 4.5" displays. They are absolutely gorgeous displays, such as the glorious Samsung AMOLED display. I firmly believe that if the best phones were to pack screens in the 5" to 6" range, they would be the ultimate mobile device and they would make the tablet practically unnecessary. They could do everything!

    TM
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Well I forgot to bring my Amazon reader on the trip.....so I had to buy a book....There are so many books that have been re-released, it is a chore.....I really enjoy the e book experience, and just wish when I got a good one I could share..They say that is going to be possible, but so far I don`t know how to do it, nor get the thing to display the page number....

    Amazon is not like the `fresh blown snow` They have alot of tricks up their sleeve so I am on guard...

    I`m trying to get the ipad to download the e book part, and have been having a little trouble...I do get a good Verizon signal here in Miami, so that may free me from one set of ATT phones and internet connections, or sixty dollars a month....I like buying twenty dollars a month at a time, and then only when needed....

    Economically I can not tell anything yet, but there are no big cranes building buildings A few years ago there were more than thirty buildings going up all at once, so that does tell you things have stopped for a while.....There are huge plans in the works, so I guess in a year or so I`l be able to report the coming `boom` :) Tony ps This is just what I can see from the windows......and the airplane and terminals were `jumping` ....and the tickets etc are expensive...
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Terrible. Just look at AAPL's share price!

    Our government's wonderful "Super-Committee" can't even wipe their own butts. They are as pathetic as I predicted.

    TM
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    AAPL is getting hit, not as hard as AMZN or GOOG.

    I am in AZ this morning and just took the Kindle Fire out into the bright sun. It is very readable, much more so than my Dell laptop I have with me. I still am not sure I would be able to replace my laptop keyboard for typing fast.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited November 2011
    How would you describe the Kindle Fire's "copy / paste" function?

    Yes... market is a mess... very sick & broken... nothing like any of us predicted or expected at this point in time... although I have had enough doubts to be out of the market, with exception of a moderate amount of AAPL, and even AAPL is a big loser.

    I may possibly NEVER trade stocks again after this.

    TM
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Such a disconnect between the stock market and the economy....Down here the real estate is definitely on the mend, and there is actual demand, not just people snapping up distressed properties.....The conspicuous beautiful cars are everywhere, and alot of business being done

    Now the stock market is forecasting doom and gloom......I choose to believe my eyes, and as things take a fairly long time to plan and execute, I don`t see how this can change very quickly....On the other hand the manipulated stock market can change in a minute......If the playing field were to be leveled, I think it would reflect the stronger economy that is present everywhere I go..Market is undervalued as Jflix alludes to....I agree :)

    Tony
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    Currently the stock market is being manipulated so badly that it is a poor gauge of anything. It has become a plaything and cash machine of the ultra wealthy. Thankfully I am up a tad for the year and have very little exposed to the market right now. Let the rich steal from each other for the time being.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited November 2011
    Good post Tony. We have an undervalued stock market and a better economy than most think and advertising continues to be strong indicating business has a serious disconnect with Wall street as well. The Euro debt problem is weighing too heavy on this market right now. You have to buy real good blue chippers here and avoid the high PE companies like Amazon and Netflix which remain seriously over-valued despite the massive downward corrections in their valuations.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited November 2011
    How would you describe the Kindle Fire's "copy / paste" function?

    After I figured it out it was easy. Not as easy as using a Mouse though.
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Can you also select or highlight portions of text? So you can make it boldface or italics on the forum, for example.

    TM
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited November 2011
    :)Can you also select or highlight portions of text? So you can make it boldface or italics on the forum, for example.

    Looks like I can
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    Sweet.

    OK, I'm sold. Gonna order a couple of 'em.

    Thanks.

    TM
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,356
    edited November 2011
    You can just stop by Target, Best Buy, Wal Mart, etc. and pick one up. Price is the same $199. I got mine at Target.

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  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    But, even though I will get a Kindle Fire for my wife, and maybe one for me... I am still looking forward to the iPad3.

    Also, I am reconsidering that I might get an iPhone, even though it is inferior to the latest Android phones. The reason is the data backup and synchronization are important and valuable features. The Android phones just don't have anything near as good. I'm not in a rush to decide, but I am definitely thinking about it.

    TM
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,208
    Bob Costas: Laurasdada, how does it feel to be 100% of the 99% inhabiting "The Stock Market and Investing" board?

    Laurasdada: 75% of the time, lousy, Bob. 20% of the time, I'm OK with it.

    BC: What about the other 5% of the time?

    LD: Well, it's just nice to belong.

    BC: How do you feel that the Board members here can rectify this situation?

    LD: I'm not greedy, Bob. But, if Tagman is going to order a few Kindle Fires, I feel he should redistribute at least one of them to the 99% here. Otherwise, I plan to occupy The Stock Market and Investing board!

    BC: No job, eh?

    LD: Oh, no. Thankfully, I'm employed. I'll just work remotely. You know, bring my laptop, Blackberry and Flux Capacitor to heat the ol' LL Bean tent.

    BC: Interesting, you do sound like the 99%. And, what is your message, what do you hope to accomplish?

    LD: It's simple, Bob. Um, well. I believe that... You know, successful business people are, um... Actually, the folks on this board seem like really lovely, hard working, successful people. Maybe if I studied and learned from them, I could elevate myself to the 1%.....Nah, just send me a Kindle Fire! Better yet, a Toshiba Thrive 7".

    I'm sure there's a messge in here somewhere. Hey, I got one! If you think real hard, maybe we can stop this rain! No rain, no rain, no rain...

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    But, WE WANT the rain!

    It will provide a bath for those, uh, people...

    As an aside, what are folks' opinions on gold and silver right now?
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,208
    I believe that noted precious metals expert, Yukon Cornelius, is very bumblish on silver and gold, silver and gold...

    "If you think real hard, maybe we can stop this rain! No rain, no rain, no rain... " Can anybody name that tune!

    Sorry, Scott. I'm here merely for entertainment value. Hey, everyone has their definition of "entertainment!"

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    I use google docs and dropbox to sync my android phone. the Amazon cloud does a pretty good job with music on Android. Though I will say the adroid OS is still a bit clunkier than iOS. I'm running 2.2 and I still get lots of freezes and hang ups that are annoying. iOS doesn't seem to have those types of issues.
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    DaDa---You`r the best :)

    Keep It Up We Need It

    Tony
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    If I were to ever switch Android phones, from one device to another or even a new device of the same model, it is possible to save and transfer personal contacts & apps. However, all the data contained within the apps is typically impossible to transfer. IMO, that's insane.

    Our mobile devices have become productivity tools. It is ridiculous to think that all the data and zillions of settings and preferences within those apps doesn't necessarily transfer to another device.

    If it CAN be done (backup and completely transfer all the individual app's settings, preferences, and associated data to another phone), I am certainly not aware of it and neither are any of the guys at the Sprint store.

    TM
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Help is on the way with Android 2.3 and higher. I posted a list of phones that should work with the Beam.

    Android Beam

    Google is already pushing NFC as a mobile payments system, but Android Beam uses the short-range wireless technology for data transfer instead. Given the speed and proximity limitations, it’s being positioned as a way to quickly exchange links – such as to webpages, apps, YouTube videos and the like – along with contacts and directions between two phones.

    Obviously each phone has to support NFC, which meant we were unable to test it on our Galaxy Nexus review unit, though if we had a Nexus S we could apparently transfer the data as a collected tag. However, having tried it during previous press access, we know it works: simply hold two phones back-to-back, tap the “share” button on-screen, and the data zips across.


    http://www.nfcworld.com/nfc-phones-list/
  • tagmantagman Member Posts: 8,441
    edited November 2011
    Just some examples...

    texting... All the dozens of text communications between myself and the other parties. It's one thing to be able to sync and transfer the names of the individuals, but it's really frustrating to not be able to transfer the conversations themselves.

    notes... I make myself notes sometimes, and they are important or I wouldn't make them. Sometimes I need to keep that info handy on my phone. It's one thing to transfer the note "app", but quite another to not be able to backup and transfer the contents of those notes, which is what I don't want to lose.

    Call history... never backs up or transfers from my experience.

    game progress... sometimes I am in a place where I have to wait or just hang around. When that happens, I like to take a few minutes and play a game on my phone. I have several games that I have progress that has been achieved over a period of many months. It's simple to transfer the game app, but I think it sucks to not transfer all the game's data (progress).

    settings and preferences... I have a ton of customized settings and preferences on my phone, and that's one of the reasons I like Android. Just for example, I have an audio manager app that changes all the sound preferences on my phone automatically throughout the day, so that the vibrate, alarm, notification, ringer and media volume and sound settings all change automatically throughout my day and are on a schedule that I have set. It took a fair amount of time to create and save those audio "profiles" and then take the time to create schedules for them to perform exactly how and when I like them. I hate the idea of loseing all those settings and preferences because they won't transfer. Same thing with the display, which I have taken a lot of time to setup just the way I like. I have my preferred widgets, icons, apps, shortcuts, and folders all set up just the way I like. It's a shame to think that I would have to take hours and more realistically many days to re-construct all the settings and preferences on the phone to be the same.

    That's what I'm talking about.

    TM
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    I just want to wish all a happy Thanksgiving......I am personally thankful for what I have left after this rather embarrassing year, and am hopeful things will improve for us all. :). Tony
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Thanks! Happy Thanksgiving to All!

    Regards,
    OW
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