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  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    circlew said:
    I've said it here multiple times. Buy "good" stocks on any substantial sell-off.

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    Tough, but interesting day.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,582
    Roller coaster today...hold on. Don't sell.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,465
    I've got another 25-30 years before I'd be cashing out. Let it ride.
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    fintail said:

    I've got another 25-30 years before I'd be cashing out. Let it ride.

    Yeah, well, I don't...
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    edited August 2015
    I'll bet it comes back by the end of the year. Reinvested dividends just got a discount!

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/stock-market-turmoil-dow-futures-spike-500-points-after-sell-n415381
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited August 2015
    Here is a question for you guys. I use Scottrade, and any time the trading gets really heavy, like today and yesterday, it is impossible to place an order on-line. The trading platform is simply overwhelmed and becomes inoperative. Lucky for me, today I did not need or want to make a trade, but if I had, I would have been out of luck. For the last 45 minutes or so, I could not even refresh my browser to see what was happening to my stocks. Very aggravating.

    If you use an on-line broker, I would appreciate hearing what your experience has been on these busy days.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,465
    This won't last forever. Older investors are supposed to be more risk averse, right? :)

    A lot of near-retirement age people here hit the real estate jackpot in a way that will never be possible again (not to mention a historical run up in other investment vehicles), so although I don't want to say I have no sympathy, I might not have very sad feelings for those locals, anyway.

    I can't wait to see what the automated service I use says I lost in the past week. Last week I lost a cheap car.
    slorenzen said:

    fintail said:

    I've got another 25-30 years before I'd be cashing out. Let it ride.

    Yeah, well, I don't...
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,201
    Tagman, wherever you are: Vacationed in LA last week. Spent a gorgeous day on Broad Beach in Malibu, watching the kids learn to surf. Looked at the shore front homes, looked to the hills trying to figure out which was your abode... Couple of friendly dogs roamed the beach, one kept trying to hop on the surf boards as they came to shore. Or would grab the ankle strap and start dragging it. So nice and helpful.

    Toured UCLA with my son, Angels game, Trombone Shorty at the Hollywood Bowl, improv troupe in Topanga Canyon, watched the taping of a mid-season replacement sitcom at Universal Studios and my nieces 4th birthday party, combined with lovely (but dry, although a brief bit of rain Tuesday) weather makes me want to move there! But, pesky job here and cost of living (free lodging with family when I visit; combined with my new, much lower net worth!) in CA is the reality that keeps me a happy New Englander!

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351

    Tagman, wherever you are: Vacationed in LA last week. Spent a gorgeous day on Broad Beach in Malibu, watching the kids learn to surf. Looked at the shore front homes, looked to the hills trying to figure out which was your abode... Couple of friendly dogs roamed the beach, one kept trying to hop on the surf boards as they came to shore. Or would grab the ankle strap and start dragging it. So nice and helpful.

    Toured UCLA with my son, Angels game, Trombone Shorty at the Hollywood Bowl, improv troupe in Topanga Canyon, watched the taping of a mid-season replacement sitcom at Universal Studios and my nieces 4th birthday party, combined with lovely (but dry, although a brief bit of rain Tuesday) weather makes me want to move there! But, pesky job here and cost of living (free lodging with family when I visit; combined with my new, much lower net worth!) in CA is the reality that keeps me a happy New Englander!

    Nice post LD ! Most of those who criticized tagman don't seem to post much anymore. It would be nice to hear from tag.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,618
    houdini1 said:

    Most of those who criticized tagman don't seem to post much anymore.

    I would submit that no one posts much anymore.

    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351

    houdini1 said:

    Most of those who criticized tagman don't seem to post much anymore.

    I would submit that no one posts much anymore.

    That's true. Tagman, like him or not, pretty much kept things going.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,201
    And, Mr. Stock Market is no longer my friend! But, like the weather in New England, just wait a minute...

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited September 2015

    houdini1 said:

    Most of those who criticized tagman don't seem to post much anymore.

    I would submit that no one posts much anymore.

    Hello everyone! From time to time, I have been checking to see if there is any activity here, but there has been very little. Sometimes it's dead for several months. So, I have been basically ignoring the site. I wish that Len would chime in once in a while.

    I am still bullish on the stock market. This correction over the past month was needed. China was the excuse. It causes pain but one needs to have patience. "Patience As., patience", cried the Master to the donkey. My Apple stock has been acting pretty crappy the past couple months, but I will hold it until I die. I love everything about Apple. I even bought an Apple Watch. In time, this will become a big money maker for Apple. Apple TV, Apple Music, and Apple Pay will also be important contributors going forward.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,201
    Apple pie is a winner, too... Got a company iPhone, bought a (refurbished) iPod Nano over tax free weekend. So, I'm slowly being assimilated...

    Hope all is well with y'all!

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194

    Apple pie is a winner, too... Got a company iPhone, bought a (refurbished) iPod Nano over tax free weekend. So, I'm slowly being assimilated...

    Hope all is well with y'all!

    I still have some Apple stock I bought in 2005 - it is up about 12x right now! Unfortunately I cashed out of about 90% of the original investment years ago, which is a darn shame...

  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited October 2015
    Guys, I have some very sad news to report. Our great friend, Len, on this forum for years, has passed away. He and I would converse frequently over the years about the market, politics, cosmology, cars, etc., etc. The last conversation we had was back in early April by email. I sent him several emails since then and he did not respond. For a while, I thought that he had no interest in doing so any more. But I begged him on a couple emails the past month or so to please let me know if he is okay. Today, I went to his Facebook page and right on top there was a single post by someone with the message, "RIP Len". I was more than stunned.

    I replied to the guy that has that message and he sent me Len's obituary. Len kept the fact that he was very seriously ill, very private. I never knew he had a deadly disease (bone marrow cancer). I will miss him very much. All I can say now is this: May his memory be eternal. Here is his obituary.

    http://legacy.com/obituaries/mycentraljersey/obituary.aspx?pid=174652564
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    Thank you for sharing that information. I could tell from Len's posts that he was absolutely brilliant. I am sure that he enjoyed a very fulfilling life and I know that his family and friends will miss him terribly. I am certain that he is now in a very, very, nice place.

    I would have liked to read his obit, but unfortunately, I could not open it.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    houdini1 said:

    Thank you for sharing that information. I could tell from Len's posts that he was absolutely brilliant. I am sure that he enjoyed a very fulfilling life and I know that his family and friends will miss him terribly. I am certain that he is now in a very, very, nice place.

    I would have liked to read his obit, but unfortunately, I could not open it.

    I totally agree. He certainly was brilliant in a lot of topics. And, he is definitely in a much better place now. He and I even discussed near death experiences and we believed that quantum mechanics is somehow involved in our consciousness living forever.

    Try this link: legacy.com/obituaries/mycentraljersey/obituary.aspx?pid=174652564

  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,582
    edited October 2015
    cyclone4 said:

    houdini1 said:

    Thank you for sharing that information. I could tell from Len's posts that he was absolutely brilliant. I am sure that he enjoyed a very fulfilling life and I know that his family and friends will miss him terribly. I am certain that he is now in a very, very, nice place.

    I would have liked to read his obit, but unfortunately, I could not open it.

    I totally agree. He certainly was brilliant in a lot of topics. And, he is definitely in a much better place now. He and I even discussed near death experiences and we believed that quantum mechanics is somehow involved in our consciousness living forever.

    Try this link: legacy.com/obituaries/mycentraljersey/obituary.aspx?pid=174652564


    Thanks for letting us know. I wondered why we hadn't heard from him. Even though I never got to know him, except from these (impersonal) forums, I feel the loss. He passed on the anniversary date of my dad's passing.

    May he RIP.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    The link worked the second time you posted it. Thank you very much.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    edited October 2015
    He was practically a neighbor of mine here in NJ. I will miss him and I believe his time here made a huge difference. God bless his family.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,618
    I often wonder what happened to people who stop posting. Thanks for keeping us up-to-date. Sorry to hear the news.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    circlew said:

    He was practically a neighbor of mine here in NJ. I will miss him and I believe his time here made a huge difference. God bless his family.

    I can't begin to tell you folks how depressed I am about Len's passing. He became a good friend through the old Luxury Car Forum. We discussed many topics mostly through emails, but we did talk on the phone a few times. I feel blessed that I got to know Len over the past 10 years or so. He had incredible knowledge and insight on various topics.

    The one thing that boggles my mind is that he never once confided in me that he had a very serious illness. I believe he did not want people to worry about him. I did get a sense over the past few years that he may have something more serious than he was admitting. If you guys recall, he said he had Type 2 Diabetes about 3-4 years ago. There were stretches of time when Len would disappear for a couple months or more. Now I know why with chemo, etc. I was hoping that this was one of those stretches but I have been getting very concerned when I begged him on a couple emails to respond to me that he was okay and he never responded since April. I feel like I lost a brother.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    He was among the best posters on Edmund's forums and was extremely sharing. We are all better for knowing him by his word.

    God Speed, Len!
  • carnaughtcarnaught Member Posts: 3,582
    Anyone know, is GAGRICE still around? I haven't seen a post from him in years?
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    Gagrice is alive and well over on the " what would it take for you to buy a diesel" forum. He is a huge diesel advocate and posts there about every day. Currently drives a diesel Touareg and loves it.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,201
    RIP Len. A life very well lived.

    '21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)

  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    carnaught said:

    Anyone know, is GAGRICE still around? I haven't seen a post from him in years?

    I am mostly on the diesel, garden and road trip threads. I cashed out of the market in 2012 thinking I knew what I was doing. Just dipping in a bit lately. Still into real estate and first mortgages.
    Thank you for asking.

    Also sad to hear of Len's passing. A true gentleman on the forum.
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    Does anybody know what happend to Lemko?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,465
    Lemko is around, he pops in on the classic car threads now and then.
    tlong said:

    Does anybody know what happend to Lemko?

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited November 2015
    I was on a winning run for a couple of months, but for the last 2 weeks, when the market goes down my stocks go down and when the market goes up my stocks still go down. I always thought that was against the law !! Anyway this is just a bump to keep us going. Hope everyone is doing well.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    Good day at the market. Hope all you guys hit a home run today !!

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,618
    YTD for my mix of equities, bonds & money markets has yielded 0.45% vs. 6.6% last year. At least it's positive.
    '08 Acura TSX, '17 Subaru Forester
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I bought VLKAY on a whim after the VW Dieselgate at $23.36 per share. Two+ months later it is up $7. Should go back up to $50 when the dust settles. Only thing in my portfolio that is up over the last 3 months.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    I hope no one got hurt too bad yesterday. I got dinged, but turning the "Globalists" on their heads was worth it imo.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    The EU is destined to break apart. This is the beginning of the end. It's time for to pay the piper accross the pond!

    Interest rates will stay low in the USA for a long time IMHO.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    Agreed. My municipal bond fund did great Friday.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Here are rates going into July.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited July 2016
    The yield goes down when the value of the bonds go up !

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,825
    Anyone have a good dividend stock recommendation?

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    kyfdx said:

    Anyone have a good dividend stock recommendation?

    My financial adviser recommended BKN. He has it in his portfolio. It is mostly tax free municipal investments. I have not bought any yet. Waiting to see if the price comes down.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BKN/financials
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited July 2016
    kyfdx said:

    Anyone have a good dividend stock recommendation?

    I think municipal bonds (tax free) are your best bet, maybe a fund or etf. I know everyone pushes dividend stocks but they are not for me. Something just seems wrong when you get a dividend, then price of the stock goes down to offset the dividend. In effect, you are getting your own money back, and then you have to pay taxes on it again.

    BKN does look pretty good. Mostly tax free, fairly safe, and close to 5% return.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,825
    Bonds have been great this year. But, if interest rates start going up, you still have downside risk, just like stocks. Our overall tax bite is pretty low, so not sure I want to go with municipals, but that does look like a good ETF.

    It's not an ETF, but I've been looking at PONDX. Which is a PIMCO fixed income mutual fund.

    Dividend stocks? I like to buy stocks that are out of favor, but show a long history of returning dividends to stockholders. Ford (F) is my latest purchase. 4.37% dividend.

    Also, Valero (VLO). More distribution and refining, rather than exploration/drilling, so seems unfairly beaten down. 4.73% dividend.

    Looking for a buying opportunity on MET. Around $40 would be good.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Lots really depends on your projected holding period and if it is money you may need on shorter notice.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,825
    berri said:

    Lots really depends on your projected holding period and if it is money you may need on shorter notice.

    That's true.. much more so with individual bonds. If you ladder your portfolio and hold everything to maturity, then the ups and downs mean nothing.

    But, in an ETF, there is a fund manager trading in and out of the bonds. A shareholder could be taking losses without selling their stake. (same for a buy and hold investor in a stock mutual fund)

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    My wife has a Jackson product that sends her a check each month. It is a guaranteed 5% of the value each year. Never to go below the initial investment. The death benefit is also guaranteed. It was a $300k initial investment. It is now paying on $330k, which it will never go below. However the cash out is down around $250k. Seems like the monthly comes out of principal a lot, which is not taxable. Is it safe? I have no idea. She has had it about 8 years now. It is very confusing for our CPA as they do not break down interest dividends vs capital disbursements.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,825
    gagrice said:

    My wife has a Jackson product that sends her a check each month. It is a guaranteed 5% of the value each year. Never to go below the initial investment. The death benefit is also guaranteed. It was a $300k initial investment. It is now paying on $330k, which it will never go below. However the cash out is down around $250k. Seems like the monthly comes out of principal a lot, which is not taxable. Is it safe? I have no idea. She has had it about 8 years now. It is very confusing for our CPA as they do not break down interest dividends vs capital disbursements.

    Seems like an annuity or life insurance product of some type. I try to avoid investments that generate big commissions for someone.

    Though, once you commit, it's sometimes better to just stick with it.

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    My wife feels strongly about protecting the principal for the heirs. It is her deceased husbands trust money. So she has stayed with his financial adviser group. Not easy finding steady income investment that is protected. Of course annuities are only as secure as the Insurance company that sells them. Our best income investments are 1st deeds of trust mortgages. She is carrying the paper at 7% on a ranch she owned and sold. I don't expect that to default as they owe less than half on it.
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