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Change subjects: My SEq starts harder than other cars I've owned, crank for 2-3 seconds even when warm. Also it seems to idle high, about 1100, is this normal?
"If this is so, why don't all of them slap?? "
All pistons, cylinder bores, and a host of internal parts are never perfectly sized. They all have tolernaces of +/- from
perfect. The wider a manufacturer can make that tolerance, the cheaper the parts are from parts suppliers because less parts are thrown in the trash for being out of specification. Toyota could tell supplier that they'll pay $5.00 for a
.002" tolerance piston that goes in a Landcruiser or they'll pay $4.00 for a piston with .003-.005" tolerance for pistons that go in a Sequoia. When these looser tolerances on many parts come together in the engine you have an increasing odds that a engine will be bad and noisy and slap-happy. Depending on tolerance variability from each part suplier from delivery to delivery, the resultant engine builds could be good one week and then bad for a day or two. Chaos reigns.
From the above, you can see how Toyota can say that the LC and Sequoia have the "same" engine but the reality is far from the truth.
So that's my hypothesis. If I'm wrong Toyota can call me up and tell me what they told tloughr.
I'm in the same position since I have a Seq on order. Even though I've waited for 2 months, I'm now in the postion that I hope the truck is delayed more until the truth comes out. Unfortunately, like most other buyers on this board, my salesman and dealer is oblivious to the web and will dismiss anything on these boards as false. Unfortunately everybody here does not have the luxury of having a salesman like cliffy who said:
"I would just like to be able to look them in the eye and give them honest information about how this was resolved."
But as he continued on to say, the information that hes has is confidential to him and his customers. Thus if the engine is a croaker, only his customers get the warning while the rest of us get the (crank)shaft. I'm not faulting him, he can't release proprietary info without dire personal consequences. The real blame of course lies with Toyota and their actions that resemble the obfuscation of 70's era big-3.
cheers
evidence that the Sequoia engine is a croaker
I'll send you a crisp $50.
Toyota, I'll pull my post if you send me a copy of the tloughr agreement.
Yesterday I went to a dealer and drove a Sequoia and immediately drove a Land Cruiser.
1. Look under the hood. The insulation and housing of the engine is NOT the same. The engine may work the same way, have the same number of valves, or whatever, but it looks different and is covered in the Land Cruiser with a nice metal housing that probably functions to dampen the noise.
2. I suspect ALL Sequoias have the ticking noise from the fuel injectors, and that the reason that some people hear it and others do not, relates to the noise level in the car.
3. When I turned on the radio (with the booming bass), it completely masked the ticking sound.
4. The salesman (who test drove the SEQ 50 times)was unaware of the ticking noise on the Sequoia until I pointed it out to him, and then it was obvious.
5. The Land Cruiser cabin noise level is very low, quiet and luxurious. There is no comparison to the SEQ
(can someone post the noise levels in these 2 cars in Decibels, there should be specs somewhere or it would be very easy to measure).
6. I am reminded of the Edgar Allen Poe story about the guy who goes insane when he hears the beating of the heart of the dead guy he buried in his wine cellar. The noise drives him to confess his murder.
7. Try this one when you take a friend out in your new Sequoia, "Are the ticking noises in my head bothering you?"
8. I was offered the loaded quiet Land Cruiser at $500 over invoice ($50,000) in this case versus the Sequoia I've ordered for about $3300 over invoice and I decided that the $7500 difference was not worth it for the quieter ride of the Land Cruiser
9. Just my $0.02 worth, hope this encourages some
discussion and doesn't Tick anyone off.
Regards to all.
- looking to reduce massive stance via: 2WD, 245 tires ... am I nuts here in Chicago (no off road,
no hills, ok some snow, but counting on tracs, VSC)
- can I plead to have 245 tires w/AH package (since we'll do 2WD?)
- what is best I can see in reduced height with above changes ... 4"?
- do I need rear air/heat (Chicago isn't Florida, nor Fargo)
- is standard sound that inferior to JBL base upgrade?
- any new solutions to add fogs?
#1) Your spedo will read a little slow
#2) The top of tire to bottom of wheelwell is
going to have a bigger distance then the already
too far distance. I'd bet it would look pretty cheap no matter if the tires were premium Michelins.
Re: No rear heat/AC
Hey, retro styling is in vogue. The rear passengers can pretend it's the 50's with no AC/heat. While your at it you may want to downgrade the 2nd/3rd row seating option to the 2x6 treated lumber level. :-)
Re:
SR5 Fog lights: at tundrasolutions.com is a 40+ post thread on the topic.
You salesman is either lying or too dumb/lazy to
understand the option builds. I'd wager the first.
the saleman says that it's an option that had to be ordered and there would also be a 'special charge' for that option. How much the 'special charge' he didn't say. Is he full of hot air?
cliffy1 can you set me up with an SR5 4WD with side air bag? and how long would the wait be if it had to be ordered, and built from the factory.
email me if you're interested.
Here in MN, most of the SR5's I saw on the local dealers lot had side air bags. They were fairly loaded 4WD SR5's, with sticker prices in the area of $38K-$40K. Sounds like it depends on what region you happen to live in.
"However I'm not sure if dumb or lazy comes into it as thirdsuv brilliantly pointed out. More a question of economics and Toyota using them as bait."
"Using it as bait" and then telling a customer that it is ""ONLY AVAILABLE ON A LIMITED" is lying.
However, it is now obvious that Minhski wrote erroneous in his initial post and now it seems that the dealer is somewhat on the up when he said that a special order would need to be done.
I can only answer the question as I recieved it.
Why don't you just get on your shoe phone and get an answer from Agent 99 on that one!
www.gmclemon.com
I think this forum would provide a budding sociology student with plenty of material for a great theses paper. One participant came along with guns a'blazin' and plenty of hyperbole. He quickly silenced himself and hasn't been heard from since is cryptic retraction. Now, everybody is on the war path about a mystery problem that never existed in the first place. Who knows how many people read this forum and made decisions based on such incomplete information.
A) 2nd seat controls to separately control the temp in the rear seats?
or
I will have little kiddies in the back who I do not necessarily want playing with the AC controls - but I do not want them sweating in the 3rd bench either.
A retail salesman will see cars and cars and more cars drop w/o them, ask a manager and find out that the regional ordering plan is for a certain build out scheme for certain cars based on "popular options". They are wholly unfamiliar with special orders or build orders or even modifications to cars after they are allocated a certain way. Heck ask around... SoCal never gets "PM" package cars but I have delivered 5 so far this last month. SoCal never gets "basic" 4WDs with AH AC only, but I delivered one last week. And, try and get a 2WD SR5 with no options! You can't walk on any lots and find them, but it's possible to have one built. It's not always a weak sales pitch or even lack of inertia. At times, ignorance isn't an insidious thing. It's just plain ignorance when they just do not KNOW.
If you are across the country, find Cliffy or someone with some smarts and experience at this. If you're sorta near me, then I am easy enough to find. Look, my heart doesn't exactly pitter patter with rage when someone wants a different set of stereo eq. or perhaps has to take a few extra incidentals, but with the side airbags being a true safety matter, you're talking to a MOM here, with three kids. I don't know if I could live with myself if I lost one of the kids because I didn't take a few extra steps to ensure they were safe.
Di
I got an White SR5 4X4 with:
AC Dual ac
AH Alloy package
CQ Convenience pkg
CC Electric seats
GY Side airbags
DR Roof rack
RL Running lights
CF Floor mats
All this for $33,930!..That is right $279 under invoice.
If you are in the Minneapolis area or not, the guy I bought from is the sales manager and is looking to increase volume. Please email me at wstill1071@aol.com and I will give you his contact information.
Regards,
zinny
Di
Also, the mid west region has a regional advertising fee. It is modest by Toyota standards at $250 but that means your price is actually $534 under invoice. This makes absolutely no sense to me. I'm not saying it couldn't happen. Strange things can happen, just look at the platypus. The evidence seems against this actually being the case.
ANYHOW WHICH SUV IS THE BETTER ONE?
1- GMC YUKON XL
2- TOYOTA SEQUOIA SR5 / LIMITED
I NEED THE SPACE FOR MY FAMILY AND A RELIABLE
VEHICLE, KEEP IT AS LONG AS I COULD.
THANKS,
CONFUSED!
I totally agree with diane4toyota, it's the safety with me. Was in a crash 3 weeks ago, hit from the side by a van. The Camry was total but we walked away from it. That's why I'd rather have the safety than the niceties. Problem is, can't find a side air bag equipped in my area on the East Coast, VA area.
Got an offer for an SR5 4WD for around $35.8K. Comes with AC, AW, CC, CF, CQ, DR, GN, WL.
But no GY. Am tempted to take the offer on the table as I have no wheels at the moment.
Another salesman from the DC area told me it'd take from 4-6 months to order a car that I want.
Go figure!
How can you say this issue with Tloughr is a "problem never existed"?? Let's recall the facts.
#1) Tloughr mentioned a Toyota area rep with a phone # that you said you called? I'm assuming that the rep name and number was valid or I'm pretty sure you'd be alerting us about the hoax.
#2) If you talked to this rep then obviously he confirmed or denied that there was an arbitration.
Which was it?
Now, if the rep is real, an arbitration occured, and an apparent gag order was imposed, then it sure sounds like the Tloughr issue "existed".
Please correct me where I'm wrong here and I'll gladly tuck my fangs in.
But I've owned a Corrolla, a Camry, a Sienna myself, and never been more satisfied. For all 3 vehicles owned, I've gotten my money's worth out of them. But most importantly, very reliable.
BTW, I bought the Sienna sight unseen, and didn't even test drive. And I am doing the same on the SEQ. Am I crazy? Maybe. But "trust" is earned. And in my book, Toyota has earned it long ago. Because in all, I can count 16 Toyotas in my family, and relatives that've owned them.
My 2th/100 $ for what's worth!
BTW, any more concerns, insights on the vibrating sound at 45-50 mph, or the tick-tick-tick sound? Or is it just a case of lucky/unlucky on which car you happen to buy?
1) Know better than to make false statements that could be potentially damaging by alleging defects that you CANNOT provide proof of. I think that your comments are further defamatory due to the fact that you do not, if my interpretation of your statements is correct, DRIVE THE VEHICLE YOU ARE MAKING STATEMENTS ABOUT!
2) Realize that those of us who do understand how the industry works think of comments and demeanor such as yours as juvenile at best.
If you think something is truly being "held" from you, contact the NHTSC. I would bet that they will laugh their tail off when you attempt to make your case without even owning the vehicle in question. I take back my previous references to the likely hood of your usage of Marijuanna. I feel that you would most likely be a afficianado of Krylon Spray Can Vapors.
ABC story
older Britannica story
Re Goodyear Tires, as another recent example:
"This latest move contrasts the manufacturer's long-held insistence on gag orders and secrecy agreements concerning accident and safety reports on the tires..."
AFTERMARKET BUSINESS ONLINE
I'm sure there are other examples. Feel free to disagree, but please limit your personal attacks so we don't have to issue our own gag orders :-).
Steve
Host
Vans, SUVs, and Aftermarket & Accessories message boards
Finally the price, you are correct about the $534 under invoice, BUT if you add in the $687 hold back, they are still making money.... plus selling a VERY EXPENSIVE car. Lets not forget that.
Regards,
Will
Doubleagent, what are you up to?
I'm really happy with this vehicle, and can't report of any previously reported noises or problems by others. My kids & wife love it too.
My only issues are:
- No memory seat option
- tires/wheels are a bit small; I/I 17 or 18's
- clock is too low in console
- gee, can't think of anything else.
Can't wait to put my first coat of wax on this black beauty....
BTW, I would think that Cliffy has an "understandment of how the industry works" and in his post to Tlough he said...
"I suspect you probably have an agreement to not discuss this publicly"
Lastly, I'm eagerly waiting (and hoping) to hear the good news about how the whole Tlough issue was a hoax. However, with each passing day that the people with knowledge (BTW, Maxwell, we know that's NOT you) keep silent, then it's becomes ever more likely that there is bad news under the hood.
P.S. How long will ThirdSUV's Sequoia be "on order"?
This is my final post, so ThirdSUV, I am sure you are an upstanding citizen under all that, I just think People need to know not to beleive what you say unconditionally. Please wait to print your derogatory Manufacturer comments until they are YOUR OWN impressions.
Dave