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Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier



  • sshowittsshowitt Posts: 137
    I guess recomendations of products or businesses that we have had good luck with or that have saved us money are now deleted. I tried to post a message about how I saved money from an mb dealer in CA on my exteneded warranty on my ML and I was sent an E-mail chastising me on violating the rules. I think it is important to share this information. "Buck 45" asked a question about exteneded warranties and sinced he did not include his e-mail in his profile, i could not directly e-mmail him with his requested information
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Posts: 278
    Not only that... but my post about Eurodelivery was erased in the C-Class Topic. I dont think that that was in violation. IF it was I will be removing myself from this board because my posts and several others like it were NOT in violation and I wanted those posts for quick reference. .

  • bob259bob259 Posts: 280
    I'm adding Aux. fogs, as I installed the ML55 Xenons. Does anyone know if there is a Aux. fog light wiring harness on the right side as well as the left, or is there only the one on the left side HL harness. I found the one on the left and it's labeled Fog/Aux lighting. Also I assume the one wire is hot and the second the ground correct?
  • I would greatly appreciate it if you would email me information on discounted extended warranties at:

    Thank you.
  • ts7119ts7119 Posts: 1
    I took delivery of a new ML320 on Thursday. The conversations on this board played no small part in my comfort level for the decision.

    Now, I have a problem and thought some of you might have some insights. The car will be visiting the dealer next week, so this is to ease my mind.

    Problem: We are at 150 miles; it had 4 when I took delivery. At very low speeds I hear a grinding sound and the (!) lights up. When this first happened I was puttering along on gravel and assumed the ESP system was helping me along. This seemed aggressive, but I am obviously still learning. I drive on, this doesn't re-occur for a while.

    Last night it happens again and is quite persistent until I get to about 20 miles an hour. I head for home. About a quarter of a mile from my house it does it again, but it seems more violent. The left three lights come on. I turn the car off, turn it on: the lights remain. I limp home and park it.

    No, I have never used the low-power option.
    No, I never pushed the car (>2500 RPMs); no tow
    No, I didn't use the roadside assistance.

    Has anyone had any problems like this. I'd love to hear that its something minor.

    As I picked up the car with so few miles, I expect some teething problems.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    When we remove posts, we generally send messages to the participants informing them why the posts were removed (so the mistakes are not repeated). Please check your e-mail account that is stated in your profile, as that's how we try contact you. You may want to contact the hosts of the Sedans message board if you have any questions. When did you post the message(s) anyway? I ask because Town Hall did go down for a short while yesterday, and perhaps that's why you lost your messages.

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  • rexconde1rexconde1 Posts: 278
    Your post (not here, but in the ML topic) was a bit of mis-communication on our part. My fault, apologies for that.

    What other post of mine was deleted … this is the ML topic?

    I posted something about eurodelivery in the C-class or in the BMW board about a month or two ago. Now my marks state that they have been deleted as well as the responses to my question. Here the items that were deleted in my message center that I marked and what I believe were relevant. I have sent a question to TH.

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  • rexconde1rexconde1 Posts: 278

    I never got a note stating why my posts were removed.

  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    OOps...I posted the original message in another topic by mistake and copied it from there. That's why you see that "not here..." line. That message was meant for "sshowitt", BTW, not you.

    You may want to contact Pat or L8_Apex (the links to their profiles/e-mail addresses are at the top of the Sedans message board) regarding your missing posts in the C-class topic. I'm not sure what happened, nor do I know the details, and perhaps they could shed some light on that. Our server did unexpectedly go down for about 5-10 minutes on one of the days, and very possibly around that time, and your messages could've been lost while the server was resetting itself. The problem has since been dealt with, IIRC.

    None of your messages in here have been deleted, AFAIK. If any of them were in violation of the terms of use, you would have received an e-mail from Steve, my co-host, or myself shortly after their removal.

    Hope this helps!
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  • cdiccdic Posts: 36
    The system seems to have chewed up one of mine from last night as well. I wonder where it went. I noticed the site was down for a while, perhaps it went to another discussion?
  • After not posting here for 1.5 months, I finally have some news..... maybe.

    To recall, when Spike is driving with me (most of the time) he's got a tendency to lower the windows when he moves across the console.
    (He's a Norwich Terrier, like the winner in the movie BEST OF SHOW.)

    Some other owners had the same complaint, but none of us were able to figure out how to lock the windows. Suddenly, I had a flash how to do it:

    Remove the switches and reverse them in the console. That is, instead of pressing the switch DOWN to lower the window, you would have to pull the switch UP to lower the window.

    While this would be counter-intuitive, so what?
    Everyone tells me it's counter-intuitive for safety to ride around with a dog on my lap who's sticking his head out the window and sometimes steering with his paws on top of the wheel.

    And the procedure would be easily reversible, assuming it could be done in the first place.
    So..... can it be done?
  • cticctic Posts: 291
    An answer and a comment:

    Answer: How about a low tech answer like taping or glueing a switch protector over the switch? I think you can find them under 2 varieties. 1) Like you see in James Bond movies where you have to flick it open before pressing the switch to release nuclear bombs or 2) Child safety switches. You should therefore try either Radio Shack or BabiesRUS.

    Comment: I have a similar problem when my 2 year old sits up front (species [non-permissible content removed] sapiens). My other car has the seat switches on the door and it is highly distracting to see your 2 year old move up and down and back and forth when driving. Want to trade?
  • rexconde1rexconde1 Posts: 278
    Have you considered installing a kill switch for all four of the switches? then install the kill switch in the ashtray. ... That is of course unless spike smokes. . .

  • birgerbirger Posts: 80

    If you're interested later, both Philips and Osram market 5W "blue" bulbs to go with their blue headlight bulbs. They're a bit more expensive than their white/yellowish counterparts.

    I have a set on one of the smart microcars (came in a set with Philips BlueVision H4 bulbs that have since been replaced by a set of Philips VisionPlus H4's). They look all right, but it's still not the same color as Xenons.

    This whole thread makes me smile - primarily because it's funny what we all will do to be different, and secondarily because of this "city light" denomination. In several European states, driving (i.e. not parking) with only these lights on is strictly illegal. You MUST have either foglights or headlights lit if the vehicle is moving (and lights are required).

    It also makes me remember the fuss back when I had "real" US vehicles. My Explorer had "city lights" crudely fitted to the headlight reflectors, and both my wife's Probes had additional small white light units fitted to the front fascia. On the last vehicle before the ML's, a '96 ChryCo minivan, the dual-filament amber bulb had to be replaced with a clear one, resulting in even more confusion.

    If the weather stays OK, I'll do a few shots of my ML with the original "city lights" setup.

  • birgerbirger Posts: 80
    I'd wish along with the other improvements that MBZ would finally equip the ML with a decent looking and functioning CHMSL. The one they fit now must have been designed by the same guy who chose the puny horn. It's traditional (no LED, no neon), lowish, irregular output, single-bulb (less safety). All other current MB's have multi-bulb (or LED) arrays that are more esthetically pleasing and, more important, safer.

    Just my 2ç

  • kenyeekenyee Posts: 738
    What is this?
    The horn is actually better sounding that the original. They improved it w/ the 2000 model so it's deeper.
  • bertram60bertram60 Posts: 113
    Here's my 2cents, as this is the way taxes work in my industry (yacht sales). Each state dictates it's own legislation as to how taxes on cars (and boats) and other consumables are calculated with regard to trade-in-allowances. Some states (Deleware, NC) have no sales tax, so there are no advantages to trade-ins, other states (FL,NJ,PA) allow the trade in to be deducted from purchase price prior to calculating sales tax, other states (MI)just look at purchase price.

    Detailed (and accurate) information is availble from each states Department of Revenue. They are happy to help out and will answer any questions about taxes on new and used vehicles.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Ken and I have done a little detective work and have discovered that the new tires for MY2002 are are a (still unreleased) light truck version of the Dunlop SP Sport 5000 tires. Tire rack has something on the car version of these tires. Have a look at the 2nd picture (the 60 and 65 series version, and not the lower profile 55 series and lower version):

    Looks like Dunlop is trying to compete with the X5's Michelin MXV4 plus tires, and the MDX's Michelin Cross Terrain tires. The UTQG for the Dunlops is 340 AA A. The light truck version, due to the fact that it will probably have deeper tread blocks, may have a higher tread wear rating than 340.

  • Drew,
    If I read the link correctly, one asymmetrical 17' tire is 179 USD.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Regarding the strange codes in one of your previous posts, it's because you composed your message in a word processing programme and then cut and pasted it into the text box. As such, all of the internal codes that the word processing programme uses are carried along as well. Please either compose your message in the text box on the webpage, or use an ASCII compatible text editor such as Notepad.

    Hope this helps!

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  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Yes, but that's for the 215/5VR17 tire. There are currently none available for the I mentioned, the light truck version is as of yet unreleased. I bet they're only going to release it (make its debut) on the '02 ML this fall, just as the Grandtrek TG35 tires made their debut on the 1998 ML320.
  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    definately safer. LEDs light up some 200 milliseconds faster than incandescent bulbs. This translates to faster braking distance response time. HP says about a full car length of extra stoppinng distance at 65mph.
  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    I like the horn on my 00ml430.
    At one point, I tried replacing them with aftermarket horns that supposedly were to procduce 'big rig' sound at 120db.

    No where close. Sounded like an ice cream truck. I immeadiately took them out and put my stock horns back in.

  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    Will the 02ML have identical tires front and rear. Probably yes huh. The X5 fronts differ from the rears.

  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Only the X5 V8 with the Sport Package has staggered directional performance tires. The rest of the line-up has equal sized wheels all around. A staggered setup makes rotating impossible, directional tires already makes this hard enough.

    I think the buses have LEDs more for longevity reasons. Our newer buses around here have it too...LED turn signals as well. The LED clusters are apparently expensive though. Up to a few hundred dollars a piece!
  • mlx52mlx52 Posts: 72
    I've decided that I would like to invest in a parktronic type system for my M-Class. Since you have one installed could you shed some light on these questions:

    1. What brand it is?
    2. Where did you buy it and how much did it cost?
    3. Can you get it in any color?
    4. Will it fit any model (i.e. other makes of cars and SUV’s)?
    5. How hard was it to install?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. Since I have decided that this is the only feature drawing me towards a 2002 model it would be cheaper just to put one on myself.

  • Been checking this site out for a while, good insite and humor, finally decided to sign-up....

    Dave Loines
  • Ctic:
    "How about a low tech answer like taping or glueing a switch protector over the switch? I think you can find them under 2 varieties. 1) Like you see in James Bond movies where you have to flick it open before pressing the switch to release nuclear bombs or 2) Child safety switches. You should therefore try either Radio Shack or BabiesRUS."

    Robert, this is an excellent idea, I think, even though there's four switches. Why not?
    I think the ideal switch protector would be installed on the lower side of the window switches and would be spring loaded, so that you could disengage the lock-out and lower the window with one hand, then the lock-out would re-engage by itself under the spring-power. Thanks!

    Ctic: "Comment: I have a similar problem when my 2 year old sits up front (species [non-permissible content removed] sapiens). My other car has the seat switches on the door and it is highly distracting to see your 2 year old move up and down and back and forth when driving. Want to trade?"

    Although I'm sure your nipper is a beautiful child, I'll stick with Spike, thanks.

    "Have you considered installing a kill switch for all four of the switches? Then install the kill switch in the ashtray. ... That is of course unless spike smokes. . ."

    I caught him once and took away his driving privileges........
    This is another interesting approach, since I only have to worry about Spike hitting the switches when I'm alone, and therefore a passenger wouldn't have to worry about all the lock-outs. Thanks to you, too.

    Newcomers may think this is a trivial or silly problem, but it's not. I've gotten my interior soaked three times in five months from Spike inadvertantly lowering my windows.

    The first time I had left him in the car with the
    engine running (to keep him cool) while I washed the car in a self-service wash. As I passed the soap brush over a rear window he lowered the window at just that moment. Only a inch, but an inch admits a LOT of soap.

    The second time - same wash -- only this time with the high pressure hose. His timing wasn't as perfect, but when I rushed around the side with the wash-timer ticking he had lowered the window about 1/4 inch. STILL a lot of water comes in.

    The third time occured just before a huge Nor'easter. I parked outside, not noticing that a rear window was open a crack and the rain blew right in like a high pressure hose.

    Thinking back, I seem to recall that my previous M-B sedans (190E and 450SEL) had lock-outs for the rear windows, didn't they? How come not the ML, since it certainly finds back seats full of kids?
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  • cticctic Posts: 291
    Rex's remark did remind me about a kill switch I had made. My old car had one of those telescoping antennas that went up when I turned the stereo on. But I never listened to the radio only the CD player so the antenna was annoying. I had a stereo install guy put in a kill switch. All he did was put an on off switch to the power line of the antenna. He put the switch in the glove box so it was hidden.
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