you can ask me if you want. sebring95@excite.com free for a fellow jeeper!
I've got a couple clients that are car salesmen and they do quite well. One ended up buying the dealership when the owner retired and now does even better. Sold me a new tahoe for very cheap so he's alright with me, lol!
my mistake. Since a 30" tire will fit standing up I would say it is safe to fit something 30" wide in the cargo area.
If you want a good vehicle to build as an off-roader, the '95 is a good choice but if you want style and quite a few improvements, go with a '97. Do a search in the Cherokee forum of jeepsunlimited.com for "best year" and you'll get lots of data.
Personally, I'm opposed to stickers, especially the "It's a jeep thing" one. Whatever vehicle you do buy is your own property so it's up to you.
The more I think that I would do much better to buy a five-speed V6 sedan...It is clear that Cherokee doesn't offer any benefit over a sedan if you are not towing.... 1. Sedan will be much sharper in the handling department....also the general level of get up and go will be much higher. 2. Sedan will be more comfortable. 3. A Sedan (even from GM) is likely to have a better reliablity record than Jeep. 4. Sedan may not be able to tow...but why sacrifice all that comfort just for few times of towing a year. For that, you can always buy a beater truck.
Actually I could probably make a case indorsing what you say as well as a case the oppisite of what you say. It's a personal opinion/experience kinda thing. Cherokees do come in very handy. Example: I needed 2 new large outdoor type of garbage cans. They would not fit in my BIG Cadillac Fleetwood Sixty Special. The store did not deliver. I went over in my small Cherokee. Folded down the back seat, put the 2 cans in & drove home. Personally, I love the Cherokee. At 8,800 miles the only problem I've had is the driver's side seat heater (heated seats) quit working. My dealer has the part on order. No bad, really ~ I suggest you take one for a good ride and "play" with it. I think you'll walk away surprised! There's a reason it lasted 18 model years. But, granted, like most things...it is not for everyone, and everyone uses their in a different way.
Well, I see the Cherokee as very reliable. Engines last 300,000 Miles, Transmissions hardly (If ever) replaced, strong transfer cases, etc. I don't see a problem with Jeep. Looks like a good vehicle to me.
Thanks for the advice, I really want the 9'7 or later, but I don't want to spend everything, and I wouldn't have any more time to save, because I'll need it ASAP.
I just recalculated my budget. Turns out, I may have enough money to buy the '97 after all! My dad had agreed to pay about 15% anyway. I may even find one on eBay, if it's safe...
I saw another bumper sticker I want... "Yeah, it's MINE!" That's 3 bumper stickers. How much more space do you think I'll have?
I hope you can swing the '97. Tell Dad that it's a safer car! Parents like to hear that (I'm a parent). Safe Sells !
Regarding the bumper stickers. Consider this: I am in New Jersey. Stats show that the police are 3 times more likely to pull you over if you're loaded with bumper stickers. You'd be surprised, but behind the wheel of a Cherokee, you will not look 18 years old. But, loaded with stickers tips off the police that you're a "youngin' " ~ My 1st Cousin is a leutenant on a suburban force, and he tells me that stickers arouse patrol cops "interest" ~ Think twice.....Also very dark black out windows and low riders.
Why did Chrysler kill it off. Let me count the ways..... Actually they did NOT kill it off, they redesigned it! All over the world, except here in the USA the new Liberty is called the Cherokee. I even have an early print date (2/01) brouchure of 20 pages of what you'd call the Liberty, but "Liberty" is nowhere mentioned in it. All the way through it called the Cherokee!!! Chrysler felt the two would be fighting for the same customer, and therefore after 18 years they killed it off! Just think, it came out when you were laying in your crib watching your mobile turn around!! It has lasted your whole lifetime! By the way, my 2001 was made just 59 days before the final unit. Good luck in your search. Get Dad involved in looking & involved. You'll always do better when Dad's involved! Just Trust me on This.
I have a 99 Cherokee Limited fully loaded. I do no towing what so ever, but cannot count how many times this truck has come in handy. ( Even a GM ) I came out of my 98 POS Chevy Malibu for this thing and haven't looked back since. Reliabilty just the same? Buy a Malibu and get back to me!
See post my post #917 for what I was doing at 5:30 thursday morning. I guess if you have time to wait on the plows to get along then a sedan will suit you fine in these parts. If you have no need for towing, cargo room, off-roading, or the need to be somewhere regardless of conditions then any old sedan should work as well as any old cherokee. Of course if you want one that's a different story.
Beyond days where I'm in a testosterone mood, I find driving the Cherokee quite pleasant. It handles as well as my V6 Camrys did (in some places slightly better, others slightly worse). I have had quite an array of vehicles at my disposal so I'm quite familiar with driving high performance cars, sports-sedans, little rice burner sporty cars, plain old sedans, small suvs, full-size suvs, small pick-ups, and full-size pickups (at least in the last few years).
Frankly when driving sports type cars I find it difficult to come anywhere near their performance limits and end up driving just marginally quicker than any normal vehicle. Between crappy roads, old-farts clogging up things, liability insurance limitations, and the prospect of a coal-truck going left of center and blowing your vette into a million pieces, the track is the only place to really drive a car. I just don't see the day-to-day performance advantages of a sedan over anything else. Marginal at best.
If it's just my wife and I traveling a lot of times we'll take her A6. Of course over the holiday we ended up missing out buying a terrific piece of antique furniture due to the cargo capacity of an A6 being zero. I like to have the versatility myself. Worst case some V6 sedan gets to the next light a car length ahead of me. And actually the acceleration of the cherokee is in the same ballpark as my Camry V6's. The Jeep won't run on up to 130mph but how often do you plan to do that? I did it once, that was enough in a Camry even with special suspension and Z-rated pirellis.
Yeah, he agreed to pay something...I'll see if he holds through...then I'll have a REAL chance to get the '97. Well, Crash Test wise, it's not safe. It got a "Marginal" from the IIHS, but it wouldn't be any better than driving the Sportage (Which has turned out to be a nice truck, BTW) I know I won't look 18. Truthfully, I've been pulled over already (Today), because the cops thought I was too young to be driving. I showed him my Driver's License, My MI State ID, he wanted my mother's License too. He felt like a HUGE IDIOT when I gave him that. He also checked my and my mother's clean record, and let me go. Very stressful situation.
All I want is financial support from my father. Nothing else. I'll use his brother to help me buy it, since my dad knows NOTHING about buying a used car. (Especially a used Jeep)
Now could you do me a favor? Go out (When you get a chance), and measure the opening of the cargo area, with the tailgate opened. If it measures 30", I'm HAPPY! I know others have confirmed this, but please, it's a HUGE factor in the purchase of the Cherokee.
To me, the Liberty/Cherokee is a completely different vehicle. IFS, round (Now, no one in their right mind can say that the Liberty is a box, at least it isn't in my world), no PowerTech I-6, no Jeep. It's a Chrysler, it should go to Dodge. Jeep is an entirely different SUV from the rest. I guess you could say that it is special.
I 100% agree with everything you said, and even got a laugh outtta it! They stole JUST the windows outta the Buick? You know they owned the same car, don't you! They needed windows! You hit the nail on the head with the Liberty. It's not a Jeep - but you didn't REALLY expect Mercedes to understand JeepNESS, did you? They killed Plymouth because they didn't understand it, and (like you suddenly awoke with a 3rd arm, hand & fingers) initially you would not know how to use them and it would be clumsy....that is how Plymouth was to Mercedes - so the dummies "chopped it off" ~~ I'd gladly go out & measure the Jeep for you - but the Jeep ain't here! Our Son took it back to college with him from Thanksgiving until he comes home from finals, December 17th. (3 weeks total). We may go down to see him (104 mile ride) this coming week -possibly Wednesday, IF SO I will take the tape measure & do it. BUT BUT BUT, you are aware to the 2 inside (interior) wheel wells. You want the flat usable width between the wheel wells, and/OR just the usable horizontal width of the tailgate opening? I have a book here of dimentions, I'll look in it now. ~ Sandy
jimsxn I bought my Cherokee for several reasons beyond what you mentioned but I'll try to reply. 1. Even though the Cherokee has an "old style" recirculating ball steering set up, its very nimble and is actually the same size or smaller than many of the mid-size sedans. I regularly drive my father-in-laws buick century and there is absolutely no comparison in handling when compared to the Jeep. 2. Yes a Sedan is more comfortable, from an overal perspective. 3. Reliability is very good for Cherokees. There are many of them out there well over 200k miles. The drivetrain is rock-solid. 4. Towing. I've used my Jeep for towing trailers and boats and you're right I could use a beater truck instead but...
...I also want a vehicle that can handle the conditions of our winters and get me to and from some of my favourite wilderness locations. The real 4x4 system combined with solid axles and a strong, torquey engine makes this a vehicle that you can actually use for Utility and for fun.
Bored, you've caused no problems and best of luck. I've picked up a few stickers from different aftermarket suppliers I've bought things from and the best place I've found for them is on my tool box. The Liberty is as much a Cherokee as the Grand Cherokee is. They are all totally different vehicles. Now if only DC would offer a Cherokee wih the 4.7L V8 from the Grand, the interior from the KJ and the Rubicon Transfer Case and axles.
Let me clarify (My mistake) the windows were BUSTED, not stolen. Sorry about that... They also stole all of my father's tools inside the trunk, since something would need frequent repair in that car. It was still a good car though...
I forgot about the wheel wells. Uh-Oh, I hope disaster may not strike.
Driver's training went well today. We were discussing our cars, and my cousin wants a Liberty. I told her to buy a Cherokee for these reasons:
It may be easier to strike a deal with your parents, so you won't have to pay as much, it looks better, and here comes the big one: It's more durable. She still wants the Liberty. I told her that I wouldn't be caught dead in one. If we have to go anywhere, I'll come and get you...
I'm thinking of doing a "Badge swap". '97-'99 Cherokee badges are embarassing looking. I'll change them to the '00-'01 kind. Much better looking.
I was thinking of the badge swap thing myself. I have a 99 Limited. However my 99 is what she is and I will display her that way! Although the chrome grill and headleght bezel's from the 01 limited's are tempting me, as well as the 16" five star rims.
cherokeelmt, I've been thinking the same! I found a new grille center on that famous auction site, for dirt cheap! I recall $22.00 - but never has come up the chrome headlamp frames! I do not know why they went to the chrome for one year, only to revert to color keyed in 2001. If you do it, don't forget the chromed rear license plate "brow" to complete the look! I wanna do all 4 pieces, but then I ask: "Am I making her look a year older than a 2001? (and) Do I wanna do that? Can't really decide....
I like to keep my vehicle's all origanal. I restored my pride and joy ( 71 Buick Skylark Conv. ) to origanal spec's except for the color because I like the origanilty or it. I want to do the same with my Cherokee but that chrome looks so damn good and those rims! I hate to change her factory given personality, but those 01's look so nice. By the way I can't find the head light bezel's or license plate brow, just the grille. And it is an aftermarket cheapo.
I know - I too am a stickler for ORIGINAL thru & thru! But, like me you REALLY like the chrome. In the end, I probably will leave it alone. You can find the OEM grilles on various site on line. I have seen them on e-bay and other places. I only saw the headlamp frames once, & they were on sime Jeep site, I cannot recall the name. I have never seen the license plate brow, which by the way Jaguar has & calls a "plinth" (?)
If I had the money I would Trade for one of those 60th anniversary Cherokee's. In the Platnium color with our favorite Chrome piece's. But I really love my 99 so I guess I should just keep my mouth shut1
Actually, the first 500 or so 2001 Limited's HAD the 4 chrome pieces!! It was a running change to revert to the color-keyed pieces of 1999. There's a good photo of a 2001 with the chrome pieces on the web, at a dealer for sale. So, i could slide with it ~ but my VIN is at the very end of production, and the only '01s with the chrome were the very lowest VINS VINs for '01 began with 500001 and this car on the web is the 2,782nd 2001 Cherokee (XJ) made. Since "Limiteds" constituted about 10% of production, the car isprobably like just under the 300th of 500 or so made as '01 LTDs WITH the chrome pieces.
1-800-875-0505 (23,000 miles) Looks mint } Black Car. Very likable car!! Later...Added > Nope, it's gone. Sold! Someone traded a 2001 Saab 9.3 on it. It actually tells on their web site. It was at Greenwich C-J in Greenwich, Ct.
does anyone know if good year MT'R's (that come standard on the new rubicon) will fit on a stock 96 cherokee. I've looked at Tire rack and they don't seem to indicate that they are even a viable option. I don't want to do a lift or buy new rims. Also, would a spare fit in the back or would I have to get an outside spare tire mount.
curious, i have 99 classic with upraised silver badging appliques. very neat. is it unique or am i deluded. i prefer it much more than the stickers on other models. what changed in 2000?
The MTRS that come with the Rubicon are 31", which would rub pretty much over every bump if you don't lift, and prolly wouldn't fit in the spare tire spot in the back. Don't know if MTRs come in smaller sizes, but a 235/75R-15 or a 30" tire is about as big as you can go with no lift, and even then you might have a little rubbing over bigger bumps/light 4wheeling. Up to a 30" will fit in the spare-tire spot pretty well. Look into the BFG ATs, they're a great all-around tire. Or the MTs if want a more aggressive tread.
The 2000 Cherokee got a more refined version of the 4.0-liter inline six. Introduced the previous year in the Grand Cherokee, the revamped engine ran quieter and cleaner (it now met Low Emission Vehicle standards) than the previous iteration. A new five-speed manual gearbox with improved shift quality was mated to the new six in SE (if the six was ordered) and Sport models, and a four-speed automatic was standard on Cherokee Classic and Limited.
The Limited traded its monochromatic appearance for a flashier appearance this year. Chrome highlights on the grille, headlight bezels and rear license plate brow along with silver alloy wheels served to further distinguish the Limited from the other Cherokees
I guess that the "Limited" was not good enough to show resemblance to it's brothers (Or sisters) huh?
(To all, that was supposed to be a joke)
I went to progressive.com for an insurance quote for me and my Cherokee. They charge too much. I'm happy that we are not under one of their policies. All in all, I expect to pay about $1400 (according to MY insurance company, NOT Progressive) a year. Not too bad for a 16 year old in an SUV. Yes, mommy and daddy are not paying for their son's insurance. How evil. I think I can handle that though, considering the well paying job I'll have... see "Buying that 1st car in Smart Shopper for details)
My Cherorkee is one of a kind, noticeing thee wieght of this SUV and well sized engine i figured i should add some horses to it and thats exactly what i did. My Cherokee can now beat some "riced" out cars and even stay with some that are turbo-charged!! I live in Austin of Texas, and i dont think anyone has noticed this like me, so i am taking advante of this slowly adding simple parts like "flowmasters" and a K&N airfilter, and evn more add-ons to come
Geez this thread is getting pretty quiet. Anyways, I have a 99 Limited with Leather and no heated Seats! Damn I never should have bought leather without the Bun warmers! I live in New England! I am not planning on turning in this great vehicle anytime soon, so does anyone have any Idea if heated seats can be installed aftermarket? And if so approximitely what would it cost? Thanks Ryan
is the web site of the company that I was told actually made the ones Chrysler installed in our Limiteds. When completed, these look factory installed (switchgear) if that's important to you.
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Fellow Jeepsters: I have a '99 Limited, white, which is experiencing wear on the left side of the drivers seat and now needs to be repaired. Thinking of adding running boards for easier entrance/exit and reduced seat wear - can't do the work myself. Dealer color matched set is $485+labor. Any alternatives out there? I don't want the chrome rock rails, really like the color matched stuff. Suggestions for OEM or after-market?
Does anyone have a suggestion for replacement headlights for the 01 cherokee? I really don't need anything fancy, just wondering if maybe Sylvania or someone comparable makes a little brighter light and better pattern than the OEM Wagners. Thanks.
I don't believe you...Jeep Cherokee may be is faster than fellow SUVs but beating cars is a little stretch. How much can you add with exhaust and K&N? A total of 20HP? Modified compacts run at 300 - 500 hp...and easily do a 10 (a real racer) to 13 second quarter-mile. Have you checked your timing?
You have a couple of options for replacing the stock sealed beam lamps.
The easy, cheap way to go is to pick up some GE H6054HO replacements. GE claims 80% more light and 2+ times the life of standard H6054 lamps. Cost would be around $40. K-Mart carries GE lamps.
The more expensive way to go is to get some H4 upgrades. Both IPF and Hella make kits which replace the stock lamps with lamp assemblies and bulbs. This gives you a better, more defined light pattern, and a whiter light. I purchased my IPFs from Rocky Road Outfitters. You can find them on the web. I am very pleased with mine. Replacement is easy. As long as you can use a screwdriver, this shouldn't be a problem for you. On later model Cherokees, you will need a Torx head screwdriver to aim the lamps after installation. Cost was around $103 for me including shipping.
I can second boggse regarding the headlight replacement. I have a 2001 Sport and did the conversion yesterday. It took 20 minutes or so - a very easy process.
Two screws remove the molding surrounding the headlight; 4 screws to remove the light bracket and unplug the light. Repeat the process [after plugging in the new light] and thats it. I do have a suggestion: remove the turn signal [2 screws] below the headlight before taking out the headlight bracket screws - it will give you much better access to the bottom two screws of the bracket.
There is quite a difference with new vs. old. One of my better $100 investments.
Which bulbs are you using in your IPF's? Rocky Road recommends the Magic J-bulbs (80/110 watts). I live in PA and don't want problems with passing the annual state safety inspection for having too many watts.
The 55/60W bulbs are fine for me. The extra light would be nice, but it just isn't necessary unless you plan to do off roading. If you plan to do off roading at night, you should have auxiliary lighting anyway. I think Frank got the 55/60W bulbs as well.
Hello, I have a 99 Limited and was wondering if any body knows when the fuel filter should be changed? I bought it used with 29 k on it and it currently has 39 k. I will probably just do it at the next oil change, but was wondering what the recomended intervals were? Thanks Ryan
I have loved the Cherokees for years. I am planning on buying a used (obviously) one soon.
I have two questions. 1) What year did Jeep start putting in the SPLIT fold down rear seat? Doesn't have to be exact. I am mainly interested in a 1999 or newer version and was wondering if they all had it.
Also, weren't there some years where the spare tire was in the back and some where it was underneath the Jeep? Which years are these? (again, recent years is fine)
Cherokee NEVER offered a split rear seat. Always a solid bench. Spare Tire was never Underneath. Inside, or outside with optional dealer-installed tailgate attachment (swing-away design). You may be thinking of a GRAND Cherokee, but this is a Cherokee board.
I know a lot of people who confuse the GRAND Cherokee with the plain Cherokee. My sister is one of them. My sister's friend's husband bought her a new 2003 Grand Cherokee for christmas, and my sister said "She got a new Jeep Cherokee". Wow, how convincing...for a minute, I thought they were producing them again! (I wish)
'Ya, it's annoying! THAT is the reason they changed the name in America to Liberty! Next, they'll change the name of the GRAND Cherokee to the GRAND LIBERTY and we'll be back to square one!
Dancerman - boggse is correct. I got the 55/60 watt bulbs and they work great. The Magic-J's glow after they are turned off. I also live in PA and didn't want any additional hassles when it came time for inspections. We already deal with enough.
I thought the reason for changing the KJ's name to Liberty from Cherokee was because the (Real) Jeepers were mad at Chrysler, because it held no Jeep heritage. I do agree here. Jeeps are more than a 7-Slotted grille and 4 Wheel Drive. Jeeps are special, and I think that DC is starting to understand this, because all future Jeeps are going to be completely offroad capable, with 2 (Count em!) 2 Solid axles. (Well, those are the rumors)
I'm beginning to worry about my future with the Cherokee. I'm worried about the lack of ABS on all "More affordable" Cherokees. I'm not looking for a Limited or Country, just a plain Sport. An "SE" is unacceptable, it has no Tach. (And looks boring). I'll have to do some deep searching, or buy off of eBay, or try going out of state. Why am I worried about ABS? Well, after driving a Sportage (With regular Disc Brakes) on solid ice, I have plenty reason to be worried. It's scary. The condition was the same in my sister's little front wheel drive beater. I would also like for my sister to drive something a little nicer than "her beater", and it definitely is a beater. It's loud, rusty, and raggedy.
If I can't do this, I'll find a nice looking Chrysler Cirrus, and drop in a PT Turbo engine inside. It should work...
No, the real reason was, as I stated, because export-wise far more (somthing like 8 to 1) Cherokees were exported than Grand Cherokees. So overseas name confusion was a mute point. However, here in the USA there was much name confusion, and they felt that the Liberty was all new, and would appeal to a different segment than the Grand Cherokee. They wanted to differentiate it from any other Jeep and command attention at launch. In all other market where Liberty is sold, it IS called Cherokee. I even possess a very, very early edition 2002 ("Liberty") sales brochure in which all the way thru it's called Cherokee! Printed in the USA, by the way! For a while the Liberty & the Cherokee were producted at the same time! I believe it was March 2001 thru June 2001, for about 90 days. The dealer I bought my XJ at says he has lost considerable business with the demise of the Cherokee. Lost to Tracker, Escape, Sportage and Honda CRX and Toyotas ~ He tried to move them into Gr Cher. Laredos (base model) but many balked, and went else where.
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I've got a couple clients that are car salesmen and they do quite well. One ended up buying the dealership when the owner retired and now does even better. Sold me a new tahoe for very cheap so he's alright with me, lol!
If you want a good vehicle to build as an off-roader, the '95 is a good choice but if you want style and quite a few improvements, go with a '97. Do a search in the Cherokee forum of jeepsunlimited.com for "best year" and you'll get lots of data.
Personally, I'm opposed to stickers, especially the "It's a jeep thing" one. Whatever vehicle you do buy is your own property so it's up to you.
1. Sedan will be much sharper in the handling department....also the general level of get up and go will be much higher.
2. Sedan will be more comfortable.
3. A Sedan (even from GM) is likely to have a better reliablity record than Jeep.
4. Sedan may not be able to tow...but why sacrifice all that comfort just for few times of towing a year. For that, you can always buy a beater truck.
What do you say Sandyboy and Sebring?
I needed 2 new large outdoor type of garbage cans. They would not fit in my BIG Cadillac Fleetwood Sixty Special. The store did not deliver. I went over in my small Cherokee. Folded down the back seat, put the 2 cans in & drove home.
Personally, I love the Cherokee. At 8,800 miles the only problem I've had is the driver's side seat heater (heated seats) quit working. My dealer has the part on order. No bad, really ~
I suggest you take one for a good ride and "play" with it. I think you'll walk away surprised!
There's a reason it lasted 18 model years. But, granted, like most things...it is not for everyone, and everyone uses their in a different way.
Well, I see the Cherokee as very reliable. Engines last 300,000 Miles, Transmissions hardly (If ever) replaced, strong transfer cases, etc. I don't see a problem with Jeep. Looks like a good vehicle to me.
Thanks for the advice, I really want the 9'7 or later, but I don't want to spend everything, and I wouldn't have any more time to save, because I'll need it ASAP.
sandyboy, Why was the Cherokee cancelled anyway?
I saw another bumper sticker I want... "Yeah, it's MINE!" That's 3 bumper stickers. How much more space do you think I'll have?
Regarding the bumper stickers. Consider this: I am in New Jersey. Stats show that the police are 3 times more likely to pull you over if you're loaded with bumper stickers. You'd be surprised, but behind the wheel of a Cherokee, you will not look 18 years old. But, loaded with stickers tips off the police that you're a "youngin' " ~ My 1st Cousin is a leutenant on a suburban force, and he tells me that stickers arouse patrol cops "interest" ~ Think twice.....Also very dark black out windows and low riders.
Why did Chrysler kill it off. Let me count the ways.....
Actually they did NOT kill it off, they redesigned it! All over the world, except here in the USA the new Liberty is called the Cherokee. I even have an early print date (2/01) brouchure of 20 pages of what you'd call the Liberty, but "Liberty" is nowhere mentioned in it. All the way through it called the Cherokee!!!
Chrysler felt the two would be fighting for the same customer, and therefore after 18 years they killed it off! Just think, it came out when you were laying in your crib watching your mobile turn around!! It has lasted your whole lifetime!
By the way, my 2001 was made just 59 days before the final unit.
Good luck in your search. Get Dad involved in looking & involved. You'll always do better when Dad's involved! Just Trust me on This.
Beyond days where I'm in a testosterone mood, I find driving the Cherokee quite pleasant. It handles as well as my V6 Camrys did (in some places slightly better, others slightly worse). I have had quite an array of vehicles at my disposal so I'm quite familiar with driving high performance cars, sports-sedans, little rice burner sporty cars, plain old sedans, small suvs, full-size suvs, small pick-ups, and full-size pickups (at least in the last few years).
Frankly when driving sports type cars I find it difficult to come anywhere near their performance limits and end up driving just marginally quicker than any normal vehicle. Between crappy roads, old-farts clogging up things, liability insurance limitations, and the prospect of a coal-truck going left of center and blowing your vette into a million pieces, the track is the only place to really drive a car. I just don't see the day-to-day performance advantages of a sedan over anything else. Marginal at best.
If it's just my wife and I traveling a lot of times we'll take her A6. Of course over the holiday we ended up missing out buying a terrific piece of antique furniture due to the cargo capacity of an A6 being zero. I like to have the versatility myself. Worst case some V6 sedan gets to the next light a car length ahead of me. And actually the acceleration of the cherokee is in the same ballpark as my Camry V6's. The Jeep won't run on up to 130mph but how often do you plan to do that? I did it once, that was enough in a Camry even with special suspension and Z-rated pirellis.
All I want is financial support from my father. Nothing else. I'll use his brother to help me buy it, since my dad knows NOTHING about buying a used car. (Especially a used Jeep)
See this message: bored "Buying that 1st car" Nov 29, 2002 1:37pm
Now could you do me a favor? Go out (When you get a chance), and measure the opening of the cargo area, with the tailgate opened. If it measures 30", I'm HAPPY! I know others have confirmed this, but please, it's a HUGE factor in the purchase of the Cherokee.
To me, the Liberty/Cherokee is a completely different vehicle. IFS, round (Now, no one in their right mind can say that the Liberty is a box, at least it isn't in my world), no PowerTech I-6, no Jeep. It's a Chrysler, it should go to Dodge. Jeep is an entirely different SUV from the rest. I guess you could say that it is special.
You hit the nail on the head with the Liberty. It's not a Jeep - but you didn't REALLY expect Mercedes to understand JeepNESS, did you? They killed Plymouth because they didn't understand it, and (like you suddenly awoke with a 3rd arm, hand & fingers) initially you would not know how to use them and it would be clumsy....that is how Plymouth was to Mercedes - so the dummies "chopped it off" ~~
I'd gladly go out & measure the Jeep for you - but the Jeep ain't here! Our Son took it back to college with him from Thanksgiving until he comes home from finals, December 17th. (3 weeks total). We may go down to see him (104 mile ride) this coming week -possibly Wednesday, IF SO I will take the tape measure & do it. BUT BUT BUT, you are aware to the 2 inside (interior) wheel wells. You want the flat usable width between the wheel wells, and/OR just the usable horizontal width of the tailgate opening?
I have a book here of dimentions, I'll look in it now. ~ Sandy
1. Even though the Cherokee has an "old style" recirculating ball steering set up, its very nimble and is actually the same size or smaller than many of the mid-size sedans. I regularly drive my father-in-laws buick century and there is absolutely no comparison in handling when compared to the Jeep.
2. Yes a Sedan is more comfortable, from an overal perspective.
3. Reliability is very good for Cherokees. There are many of them out there well over 200k miles. The drivetrain is rock-solid.
4. Towing. I've used my Jeep for towing trailers and boats and you're right I could use a beater truck instead but...
...I also want a vehicle that can handle the conditions of our winters and get me to and from some of my favourite wilderness locations. The real 4x4 system combined with solid axles and a strong, torquey engine makes this a vehicle that you can actually use for Utility and for fun.
Bored, you've caused no problems and best of luck. I've picked up a few stickers from different aftermarket suppliers I've bought things from and the best place I've found for them is on my tool box. The Liberty is as much a Cherokee as the Grand Cherokee is. They are all totally different vehicles. Now if only DC would offer a Cherokee wih the 4.7L V8 from the Grand, the interior from the KJ and the Rubicon Transfer Case and axles.
I forgot about the wheel wells. Uh-Oh, I hope disaster may not strike.
Driver's training went well today. We were discussing our cars, and my cousin wants a Liberty. I told her to buy a Cherokee for these reasons:
It may be easier to strike a deal with your parents, so you won't have to pay as much, it looks better, and here comes the big one: It's more durable. She still wants the Liberty. I told her that I wouldn't be caught dead in one. If we have to go anywhere, I'll come and get you...
I'm thinking of doing a "Badge swap". '97-'99 Cherokee badges are embarassing looking. I'll change them to the '00-'01 kind. Much better looking.
You might still be able to view it.
http://www.bargainnews.com
It's Bargain News Classifieds on line
It is/was at a dealership } Greenwich Jeep
1-800-875-0505 (23,000 miles) Looks mint } Black Car. Very likable car!! Later...Added > Nope, it's gone. Sold! Someone traded a 2001 Saab 9.3 on it. It actually tells on their web site. It was at Greenwich C-J in Greenwich, Ct.
Is it just me, or does Edmunds.com look "different"?
i have 99 classic with upraised silver badging appliques. very neat. is it unique or am i deluded.
i prefer it much more than the stickers on other models.
what changed in 2000?
The 2000 Cherokee got a more refined version of the 4.0-liter inline six. Introduced the previous year in the Grand Cherokee, the revamped engine ran quieter and cleaner (it now met Low Emission Vehicle standards) than the previous iteration. A new five-speed manual gearbox with improved shift quality was mated to the new six in SE (if the six was ordered) and Sport models, and a four-speed automatic was standard on Cherokee Classic and Limited.
The Limited traded its monochromatic appearance for a flashier appearance this year. Chrome highlights on the grille, headlight bezels and rear license plate brow along with silver alloy wheels served to further distinguish the Limited from the other Cherokees
(To all, that was supposed to be a joke)
I went to progressive.com for an insurance quote for me and my Cherokee. They charge too much. I'm happy that we are not under one of their policies. All in all, I expect to pay about $1400 (according to MY insurance company, NOT Progressive) a year. Not too bad for a 16 year old in an SUV. Yes, mommy and daddy are not paying for their son's insurance. How evil. I think I can handle that though, considering the well paying job I'll have... see "Buying that 1st car in Smart Shopper for details)
Steve, Host
Some rehabilitation will help in this matter.
http://www.katzkin.com
is the web site of the company that I was told actually made the ones Chrysler installed in our Limiteds. When completed, these look factory installed (switchgear) if that's important to you.
S A N D Y
Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah & a Happy New Year to all! {Safe & Sound}
Suggestions for OEM or after-market?
tidester, host
The easy, cheap way to go is to pick up some GE H6054HO replacements. GE claims 80% more light and 2+ times the life of standard H6054 lamps. Cost would be around $40. K-Mart carries GE lamps.
The more expensive way to go is to get some H4 upgrades. Both IPF and Hella make kits which replace the stock lamps with lamp assemblies and bulbs. This gives you a better, more defined light pattern, and a whiter light. I purchased my IPFs from Rocky Road Outfitters. You can find them on the web. I am very pleased with mine. Replacement is easy. As long as you can use a screwdriver, this shouldn't be a problem for you. On later model Cherokees, you will need a Torx head screwdriver to aim the lamps after installation. Cost was around $103 for me including shipping.
Two screws remove the molding surrounding the headlight; 4 screws to remove the light bracket and unplug the light. Repeat the process [after plugging in the new light] and thats it. I do have a suggestion: remove the turn signal [2 screws] below the headlight before taking out the headlight bracket screws - it will give you much better access to the bottom two screws of the bracket.
There is quite a difference with new vs. old. One of my better $100 investments.
I have two questions. 1) What year did Jeep start putting in the SPLIT fold down rear seat? Doesn't have to be exact. I am mainly interested in a 1999 or newer version and was wondering if they all had it.
Also, weren't there some years where the spare tire was in the back and some where it was underneath the Jeep? Which years are these? (again, recent years is fine)
Thanks
Spare Tire was never Underneath. Inside, or outside with optional dealer-installed tailgate attachment (swing-away design). You may be thinking of a GRAND Cherokee, but this is a Cherokee board.
I know a lot of people who confuse the GRAND Cherokee with the plain Cherokee. My sister is one of them. My sister's friend's husband bought her a new 2003 Grand Cherokee for christmas, and my sister said "She got a new Jeep Cherokee". Wow, how convincing...for a minute, I thought they were producing them again! (I wish)
I'm beginning to worry about my future with the Cherokee. I'm worried about the lack of ABS on all "More affordable" Cherokees. I'm not looking for a Limited or Country, just a plain Sport. An "SE" is unacceptable, it has no Tach. (And looks boring). I'll have to do some deep searching, or buy off of eBay, or try going out of state. Why am I worried about ABS? Well, after driving a Sportage (With regular Disc Brakes) on solid ice, I have plenty reason to be worried. It's scary. The condition was the same in my sister's little front wheel drive beater. I would also like for my sister to drive something a little nicer than "her beater", and it definitely is a beater. It's loud, rusty, and raggedy.
If I can't do this, I'll find a nice looking Chrysler Cirrus, and drop in a PT Turbo engine inside. It should work...
For a while the Liberty & the Cherokee were producted at the same time! I believe it was March 2001 thru June 2001, for about 90 days.
The dealer I bought my XJ at says he has lost considerable business with the demise of the Cherokee. Lost to Tracker, Escape, Sportage and Honda CRX and Toyotas ~ He tried to move them into Gr Cher. Laredos (base model) but many balked, and went else where.