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I've got a couple clients that are car salesmen and they do quite well. One ended up buying the dealership when the owner retired and now does even better. Sold me a new tahoe for very cheap so he's alright with me, lol!
If you want a good vehicle to build as an off-roader, the '95 is a good choice but if you want style and quite a few improvements, go with a '97. Do a search in the Cherokee forum of jeepsunlimited.com for "best year" and you'll get lots of data.
Personally, I'm opposed to stickers, especially the "It's a jeep thing" one. Whatever vehicle you do buy is your own property so it's up to you.
1. Sedan will be much sharper in the handling department....also the general level of get up and go will be much higher.
2. Sedan will be more comfortable.
3. A Sedan (even from GM) is likely to have a better reliablity record than Jeep.
4. Sedan may not be able to tow...but why sacrifice all that comfort just for few times of towing a year. For that, you can always buy a beater truck.
What do you say Sandyboy and Sebring?
I needed 2 new large outdoor type of garbage cans. They would not fit in my BIG Cadillac Fleetwood Sixty Special. The store did not deliver. I went over in my small Cherokee. Folded down the back seat, put the 2 cans in & drove home.
Personally, I love the Cherokee. At 8,800 miles the only problem I've had is the driver's side seat heater (heated seats) quit working. My dealer has the part on order. No bad, really ~
I suggest you take one for a good ride and "play" with it. I think you'll walk away surprised!
There's a reason it lasted 18 model years. But, granted, like most things...it is not for everyone, and everyone uses their in a different way.
Well, I see the Cherokee as very reliable. Engines last 300,000 Miles, Transmissions hardly (If ever) replaced, strong transfer cases, etc. I don't see a problem with Jeep. Looks like a good vehicle to me.
Thanks for the advice, I really want the 9'7 or later, but I don't want to spend everything, and I wouldn't have any more time to save, because I'll need it ASAP.
sandyboy, Why was the Cherokee cancelled anyway?
I saw another bumper sticker I want... "Yeah, it's MINE!" That's 3 bumper stickers. How much more space do you think I'll have?
Regarding the bumper stickers. Consider this: I am in New Jersey. Stats show that the police are 3 times more likely to pull you over if you're loaded with bumper stickers. You'd be surprised, but behind the wheel of a Cherokee, you will not look 18 years old. But, loaded with stickers tips off the police that you're a "youngin' " ~ My 1st Cousin is a leutenant on a suburban force, and he tells me that stickers arouse patrol cops "interest" ~ Think twice.....Also very dark black out windows and low riders.
Why did Chrysler kill it off. Let me count the ways.....
Actually they did NOT kill it off, they redesigned it! All over the world, except here in the USA the new Liberty is called the Cherokee. I even have an early print date (2/01) brouchure of 20 pages of what you'd call the Liberty, but "Liberty" is nowhere mentioned in it. All the way through it called the Cherokee!!!
Chrysler felt the two would be fighting for the same customer, and therefore after 18 years they killed it off! Just think, it came out when you were laying in your crib watching your mobile turn around!! It has lasted your whole lifetime!
By the way, my 2001 was made just 59 days before the final unit.
Good luck in your search. Get Dad involved in looking & involved. You'll always do better when Dad's involved! Just Trust me on This.
Beyond days where I'm in a testosterone mood, I find driving the Cherokee quite pleasant. It handles as well as my V6 Camrys did (in some places slightly better, others slightly worse). I have had quite an array of vehicles at my disposal so I'm quite familiar with driving high performance cars, sports-sedans, little rice burner sporty cars, plain old sedans, small suvs, full-size suvs, small pick-ups, and full-size pickups (at least in the last few years).
Frankly when driving sports type cars I find it difficult to come anywhere near their performance limits and end up driving just marginally quicker than any normal vehicle. Between crappy roads, old-farts clogging up things, liability insurance limitations, and the prospect of a coal-truck going left of center and blowing your vette into a million pieces, the track is the only place to really drive a car. I just don't see the day-to-day performance advantages of a sedan over anything else. Marginal at best.
If it's just my wife and I traveling a lot of times we'll take her A6. Of course over the holiday we ended up missing out buying a terrific piece of antique furniture due to the cargo capacity of an A6 being zero. I like to have the versatility myself. Worst case some V6 sedan gets to the next light a car length ahead of me. And actually the acceleration of the cherokee is in the same ballpark as my Camry V6's. The Jeep won't run on up to 130mph but how often do you plan to do that? I did it once, that was enough in a Camry even with special suspension and Z-rated pirellis.
All I want is financial support from my father. Nothing else. I'll use his brother to help me buy it, since my dad knows NOTHING about buying a used car. (Especially a used Jeep)
See this message: bored "Buying that 1st car" Nov 29, 2002 1:37pm
Now could you do me a favor? Go out (When you get a chance), and measure the opening of the cargo area, with the tailgate opened. If it measures 30", I'm HAPPY! I know others have confirmed this, but please, it's a HUGE factor in the purchase of the Cherokee.
To me, the Liberty/Cherokee is a completely different vehicle. IFS, round (Now, no one in their right mind can say that the Liberty is a box, at least it isn't in my world), no PowerTech I-6, no Jeep. It's a Chrysler, it should go to Dodge. Jeep is an entirely different SUV from the rest. I guess you could say that it is special.
You hit the nail on the head with the Liberty. It's not a Jeep - but you didn't REALLY expect Mercedes to understand JeepNESS, did you? They killed Plymouth because they didn't understand it, and (like you suddenly awoke with a 3rd arm, hand & fingers) initially you would not know how to use them and it would be clumsy....that is how Plymouth was to Mercedes - so the dummies "chopped it off" ~~
I'd gladly go out & measure the Jeep for you - but the Jeep ain't here! Our Son took it back to college with him from Thanksgiving until he comes home from finals, December 17th. (3 weeks total). We may go down to see him (104 mile ride) this coming week -possibly Wednesday, IF SO I will take the tape measure & do it. BUT BUT BUT, you are aware to the 2 inside (interior) wheel wells. You want the flat usable width between the wheel wells, and/OR just the usable horizontal width of the tailgate opening?
I have a book here of dimentions, I'll look in it now. ~ Sandy
1. Even though the Cherokee has an "old style" recirculating ball steering set up, its very nimble and is actually the same size or smaller than many of the mid-size sedans. I regularly drive my father-in-laws buick century and there is absolutely no comparison in handling when compared to the Jeep.
2. Yes a Sedan is more comfortable, from an overal perspective.
3. Reliability is very good for Cherokees. There are many of them out there well over 200k miles. The drivetrain is rock-solid.
4. Towing. I've used my Jeep for towing trailers and boats and you're right I could use a beater truck instead but...
...I also want a vehicle that can handle the conditions of our winters and get me to and from some of my favourite wilderness locations. The real 4x4 system combined with solid axles and a strong, torquey engine makes this a vehicle that you can actually use for Utility and for fun.
Bored, you've caused no problems and best of luck. I've picked up a few stickers from different aftermarket suppliers I've bought things from and the best place I've found for them is on my tool box. The Liberty is as much a Cherokee as the Grand Cherokee is. They are all totally different vehicles. Now if only DC would offer a Cherokee wih the 4.7L V8 from the Grand, the interior from the KJ and the Rubicon Transfer Case and axles.
I forgot about the wheel wells. Uh-Oh, I hope disaster may not strike.
Driver's training went well today. We were discussing our cars, and my cousin wants a Liberty. I told her to buy a Cherokee for these reasons:
It may be easier to strike a deal with your parents, so you won't have to pay as much, it looks better, and here comes the big one: It's more durable. She still wants the Liberty. I told her that I wouldn't be caught dead in one. If we have to go anywhere, I'll come and get you...
I'm thinking of doing a "Badge swap". '97-'99 Cherokee badges are embarassing looking. I'll change them to the '00-'01 kind. Much better looking.
You might still be able to view it.
http://www.bargainnews.com
It's Bargain News Classifieds on line
It is/was at a dealership } Greenwich Jeep
1-800-875-0505 (23,000 miles) Looks mint } Black Car. Very likable car!! Later...Added > Nope, it's gone. Sold! Someone traded a 2001 Saab 9.3 on it. It actually tells on their web site. It was at Greenwich C-J in Greenwich, Ct.
Is it just me, or does Edmunds.com look "different"?
i have 99 classic with upraised silver badging appliques. very neat. is it unique or am i deluded.
i prefer it much more than the stickers on other models.
what changed in 2000?
The 2000 Cherokee got a more refined version of the 4.0-liter inline six. Introduced the previous year in the Grand Cherokee, the revamped engine ran quieter and cleaner (it now met Low Emission Vehicle standards) than the previous iteration. A new five-speed manual gearbox with improved shift quality was mated to the new six in SE (if the six was ordered) and Sport models, and a four-speed automatic was standard on Cherokee Classic and Limited.
The Limited traded its monochromatic appearance for a flashier appearance this year. Chrome highlights on the grille, headlight bezels and rear license plate brow along with silver alloy wheels served to further distinguish the Limited from the other Cherokees
(To all, that was supposed to be a joke)
I went to progressive.com for an insurance quote for me and my Cherokee. They charge too much. I'm happy that we are not under one of their policies. All in all, I expect to pay about $1400 (according to MY insurance company, NOT Progressive) a year. Not too bad for a 16 year old in an SUV. Yes, mommy and daddy are not paying for their son's insurance. How evil. I think I can handle that though, considering the well paying job I'll have... see "Buying that 1st car in Smart Shopper for details)
Steve, Host
Some rehabilitation will help in this matter.
http://www.katzkin.com
is the web site of the company that I was told actually made the ones Chrysler installed in our Limiteds. When completed, these look factory installed (switchgear) if that's important to you.
S A N D Y
Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah & a Happy New Year to all! {Safe & Sound}
Suggestions for OEM or after-market?
tidester, host
The easy, cheap way to go is to pick up some GE H6054HO replacements. GE claims 80% more light and 2+ times the life of standard H6054 lamps. Cost would be around $40. K-Mart carries GE lamps.
The more expensive way to go is to get some H4 upgrades. Both IPF and Hella make kits which replace the stock lamps with lamp assemblies and bulbs. This gives you a better, more defined light pattern, and a whiter light. I purchased my IPFs from Rocky Road Outfitters. You can find them on the web. I am very pleased with mine. Replacement is easy. As long as you can use a screwdriver, this shouldn't be a problem for you. On later model Cherokees, you will need a Torx head screwdriver to aim the lamps after installation. Cost was around $103 for me including shipping.
Two screws remove the molding surrounding the headlight; 4 screws to remove the light bracket and unplug the light. Repeat the process [after plugging in the new light] and thats it. I do have a suggestion: remove the turn signal [2 screws] below the headlight before taking out the headlight bracket screws - it will give you much better access to the bottom two screws of the bracket.
There is quite a difference with new vs. old. One of my better $100 investments.
I have two questions. 1) What year did Jeep start putting in the SPLIT fold down rear seat? Doesn't have to be exact. I am mainly interested in a 1999 or newer version and was wondering if they all had it.
Also, weren't there some years where the spare tire was in the back and some where it was underneath the Jeep? Which years are these? (again, recent years is fine)
Thanks
Spare Tire was never Underneath. Inside, or outside with optional dealer-installed tailgate attachment (swing-away design). You may be thinking of a GRAND Cherokee, but this is a Cherokee board.
I know a lot of people who confuse the GRAND Cherokee with the plain Cherokee. My sister is one of them. My sister's friend's husband bought her a new 2003 Grand Cherokee for christmas, and my sister said "She got a new Jeep Cherokee". Wow, how convincing...for a minute, I thought they were producing them again! (I wish)
I'm beginning to worry about my future with the Cherokee. I'm worried about the lack of ABS on all "More affordable" Cherokees. I'm not looking for a Limited or Country, just a plain Sport. An "SE" is unacceptable, it has no Tach. (And looks boring). I'll have to do some deep searching, or buy off of eBay, or try going out of state. Why am I worried about ABS? Well, after driving a Sportage (With regular Disc Brakes) on solid ice, I have plenty reason to be worried. It's scary. The condition was the same in my sister's little front wheel drive beater. I would also like for my sister to drive something a little nicer than "her beater", and it definitely is a beater. It's loud, rusty, and raggedy.
If I can't do this, I'll find a nice looking Chrysler Cirrus, and drop in a PT Turbo engine inside. It should work...
For a while the Liberty & the Cherokee were producted at the same time! I believe it was March 2001 thru June 2001, for about 90 days.
The dealer I bought my XJ at says he has lost considerable business with the demise of the Cherokee. Lost to Tracker, Escape, Sportage and Honda CRX and Toyotas ~ He tried to move them into Gr Cher. Laredos (base model) but many balked, and went else where.