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I agree that investors, speculators, whatever you want to call them have probably created an oil price bubble. But I don't foresee much of a crash. The reason being is that if oil were to drop much below $100/barrel I believe the OPEC ministers would hold an emergency meeting to discuss production cuts. I question whether OPEC has the ability to increase production but I have little doubt that they have the ability to reduce production. In the past couple years we have redefined what the world economy will accept in terms of oil prices and OPEC has taken notice. This is the situation we are forced to live with and our only option is to transition away from oil to an energy source that we have more control over.
We are drilling to incredible depths all over the world. Supply has it's limits. It will be demand that will come down as prices rise.
Arctic fantasies need reality check
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/business/story.html?id=bfda2108-bf06-- 4a53-9c45-20b5eb36a34a&k=63243
Oh, I'm old enough to join AARP - don't let that stop ya.
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Used to happen to me all the time, but then I was a consultant/contract employee who would go in to do a project. Sometimes I would have a few days notice, sometimes I would get a few hours notice. Once or twice I was told I was no longer needed as I walked in the door in the morning.
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Wow, that is deep. I thought the old record was from Russia something like 30k feet. How much water was that well in? I think Qatar is mainly natural gas. I know they are supposed to have the largest known reserve of NG. Alaska and Canada have trillions of cubic feet of NG also. I have followed the Qatar gas to liquid some. I think that will be the fuel of choice in a few years. It is sulfur free diesel. Great for everything from tractors to jet aircraft. Shell, Exxon & Qatar are spending billions on GTL projects.
Let's face it. We must start a crash program to build nukes NOW, or we are going to be in a world of hurt in ten years. Unfortunately, our fearless leaders and candidates are afraid to address the issue. The best thing Bush could do would be to tell the truth to the US between the election and the inaugaration. Too bad he won't, because it wouid point out to people that we have squandered eight years that we could have been using to manuver out of the mess. At least he admitted last week that the Middle East is running out of oil.
Boston has also just finished a $14 billion road and tunnel upgrade. Guess what? More freak'n traffic has filled up the road and tunnel systems capacity again. California learned all this stuff five decades ago. Road building leads to more car traffic. That's it. The original "Building it and they will come" paradigm. So the only way to stop people driving is to tear up the roads. Is that going to ever happen. Nope.
If the price of gas goes to $10/gal folks will cut everywhere BUT driving. The car culture in Europe where 10/gal is normal, still clogs the roads. The legendary German auto ban is clogged worse than ever. London charges just to enter the city and folks still clog the streets with cars. As long as cars exist and roads exist, people will drive until they die.
I was pushing for more nuclear power in the 1970s. Everyone thought we were kooks. At least Greenpeace leadership is finally coming around on the subject. Nuclear has its own issues for sure. But EVERY alternative has environmental downsides.
it wouid point out to people that we have squandered eight years
I can make the case that we have squandered nearly 100 years depending on foreign oil. I believe our first example of our becoming tied up with a ruthless dictatorship to supply US with oil would be Turkey after WW1. We expanded our dependence greatly during WW2 and have gone on a down hill slide since then. At the very least we should have done something after the 1973 oil embargo.
The truth of the matter is we do not know how much oil is left. Now they are claiming that Iraq may have more than SA. We need to face it. ALL our leaders have treated us like mushrooms. As much as I like nuclear power, that will do little to ease the flow of oil to feed our cars. It could make electric heat for our homes practical again.
Thanks.
Even now we suffer with their grip on the legislatures that control the ability to move quickly to start building more plants to get rid of generating plants still using petroleum products. Even coal could supplant some petroleum products being used now if more nuclear plants replace the coal-burning electric plants.
We need to immediately open up the coastlines to exploration and drilling for oil off Florida and California bypassing the green folks and all the hurdles they set up to prevent us helping ourselves. The green folks wanting higher gas prices will get what they want, but it's time for overriding all the regs to get quick starts on adding oil supply and nuclear power.
I recall the part time college branch biology teacher leading protests outside the Moscow site for a nuclear plant in progress. As the hearings stalled, the regulations became more stringent and eventually the plant was built as coal-fired. I wonder where that part time college teacher is today... Oh, that's Moscow, Ohio... where a Cincinnati Gas and Electric nuclear plant was being built.
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I know the tollway system here has only seen about 1-2% drop in traffic and that is more likely due to construction than anything else.
California learned all this stuff five decades ago. Road building leads to more car traffic.
That doesn't make sense. That would mean that if you build a road people will take meaningless trips down it. If more traffic is using it that has to mean it is drawing it off of some place else reducing the congestion there.
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It is one of our last remaining freedoms to just jump in the car and get away from other people. No matter how congested the city you can drive a short distance and be in the country or mountains or desert. Away from the stinking cities people are compelled to live in due to economics. When I think of mass transit I see hundreds of drones filling the seats of a train or bus going nowhere. Having that freedom taken away by high fuel prices will cause people to prioritize their lives. What is and is not important. It could also explain why getting people to car pool is so difficult. You put 2-3-4-5 people in a car and try to decide on which radio station. You have to ask yourself is it worth saving $5-$10 per day?
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=219715&version- =1&template_id=48&parent_id=28
http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/alshaheen/specs.html
Personally I love the idea: it'd place a lot less strain on fossil fuel reserves. But the LAST thing I want the US to have is it's own version of Chernobyl: the super-greenies have a point on that. There HAS to be regulation as far as safety goes to protect the surrounding area from getting killed by their own power plant.
I have noticed a change here when driving on the interstate. Average speeds are down about 5 mph. In the last few trips I have yet to see someone doing 80 mph or better (limit is 75mph). Driving 80 was common a few years ago. Around town there is very little change. Some of us at work are talking about little scooters and electric bikes. It is just talk for now.
I think you overestimate the ability of the average person when it comes to absorbing higher gas prices. There is a whole segment of our population that is reeling from high food, gas and other costs. Demand is coming down. For example, my local Toyota dealer still has
13 Sequoias
39 Tundras
but only
1 Prius (which I am sure is gone by now)
3 Corollas
2 Yaris
People are changing their buying habits. We will see more evidence of that in early June when the May car sales come out.
AAA has two more states with average RUG prices over $4 - West Virginia & Indiana. The real surprise was that diesel in California is at $5.044 and $5.026 in New York. I am sure that some truckers have just gone numb as the price inches up a few pennies at a time.
And then there was the HUMMER... HUMM?
Now, there are the McMansions... tons of houses big enough to hold those HUMMERS. . 4000-8000++ sq ft houses with 4-8 car garages. I suppose at least 2 or 3 people occupy these small hotels. I wonder if they are going to all want to be on the natural gas line when it arrives from Alaska. No doubt they hooked up to the electric line that comes from a now aging Nuke near me. There is an application in to build two more Nukes but my children's grandchildren MAY see it build with all the stumbling blocks the green team has erected.
HUMMM....
Our country MAYBE in trouble. YA THINK??
How will this fix the current pain at the pump?
My second question is with what? People have tried building Nuclear plants in the U.S. over the last 20 years. You may want to review why they failed.
Do you understand what it takes to build a Nuclear plant?
Where will we find the thousands of Nuclear engineers needed to build the plants?
What about the cost?
There is the NIMBY factor.
Where will you get the water?
We might build a few plants in the next ten years, but a crash building program is unlikely. In fact, the new plants may not even be enough to keep up with older plants that will close.
It already is, here in the land of TVA-subsidized power. I live in an all-electric house with a heat pump, and it was pretty inexpensive to heat this past winter.
Maybe we could do what the, gasp, French have done.
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Radioactive waste containers had filters removed
Nuke power plant accidents happen all the time - about the time someone actually spends the 5 to 12 billion to build a new one, there's going to be another TMI level accident and that'll send all that money down the tubes again.
At least when a natural gas powered steam plant explodes, it only kills the workers on site....
It is not a conspiracy theory any longer, it is fact. There are many books written on this subject.
Please read 'The Economic Hitman' by John Perkins ex-CEO and ex-EHM.
There is a whole chapter devoted to Venezuela. Another to Colombia.
Foreign economic policy affects all commodity prices including oil, and transporatation within this country.
If you refuse to believe it, you can live in denial. The rest of us will change and adapt with an educated decision making process including who we vote for in the next election, dude !
Attempting to invade will turn into another Iraq, El Salvador etc.with a guerilla movement making it so costly for the US to conduct their war, they will have to get out and solve the issues with diplomacy. Actually Chavez reached out on public US television asking the US for help, love and understanding. He is not Saddam Hussein.
If the government had nuclear and civil engineers approve a few designs, with standardized pats, I think the cost to build nuclear plant would be greatly reduced.
The more electricity you can produce, the more people could convert from oil-heat to electric, and thus free up oil for diesel engines. That would take the pressure off the market, and people would have the benefit of lower price, more efficient diesel engines.
Here is an excerpt Q and A session from the Nanosolar website:
Q). In the thin film industry there are several players like Miasole or SoloPower that are looking to build the next CIGS thin film technology. What will make the difference in which technologies win the deals?
A).An IEC-certified panel product available in near-term 100MW volume at a fully-loaded cost point in the sixties [cents/Watt] or less so that one can profitably sell at a $.99/Watt wholesale price point. There’s no chance a process technology based on a high-vacuum deposition technique is going to make this. The window of opportunity for that more conventional approach to CIGS existed perhaps two years ago in the form of the chance of getting to market earlier with such more incremental technology.
But by now, the industry has moved on generally and Nanosolar is there with far better third-generation process technology that took a $150-million deep-dive into very science-intense research and development to develop, and that momentum gap that will continue to broaden fast.
MAJOR NEW TECHNICAL REPORT FINDS WIND CAN PROVIDE 20% OF U.S. ELECTRICITY NEEDS BY 2030
U.S. Department of Energy Analysis Finds That Wind
Can Be Major Contributor to Energy Mix
Wind power is capable of becoming a major contributor to America’s electricity supply over the next three decades, according to a report released today by the U.S. Department of Energy. The groundbreaking report, 20% Wind Energy by 2030: Increasing Wind Energy’s Contribution to U.S. Electricity Supply, looks closely at one scenario for reaching 20% wind energy by 2030 and contrasts it to a scenario of no new U.S. wind power capacity.
"DOE's wind report is a thorough look at America's wind resource, its industrial capabilities, and future energy prices, and confirms the viability and commercial maturity of wind as a major contributor to America's energy needs, now and in the future," DOE Assistant Secretary of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy for the U.S. Department of Energy Andy Karsner, said. "To dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions and enhance our energy security, clean power generation at the gigawatt-scale will be necessary, and will require us to take a comprehensive approach to scaling renewable wind power, streamlining siting and permitting processes, and expanding the domestic wind manufacturing base."
Included in the report are an examination of America’s technological and manufacturing capabilities, the future costs of energy sources, U.S. wind energy resources, and the environmental and economic impacts of wind development. Under the 20% wind scenario, installations of new wind power capacity would increase to more than 16,000 megawatts per year by 2018, and continue at that rate through 2030.
“The report shows that wind power can provide 20% of the nation’s electricity by 2030, and be a critical part of the solution to global warming,” said AWEA Executive Director Randall Swisher. “This level of wind power is the equivalent of taking 140 million cars off the road,” he said. “The report identifies the central constraints to achieving 20% - transmission, siting, manufacturing and technology - and demonstrates how each can be overcome. As an inexhaustible domestic resource, wind strengthens our energy security, improves the quality of the air we breathe, slows climate change, and revitalizes rural communities.”
The report finds that achieving a 20 percent wind contribution to U.S. electricity supply would:
Reduce carbon dioxide emissions from electricity generation by 25 percent in 2030.
Reduce natural gas use by 11%;
Reduce water consumption associated with electricity generation by 4 trillion gallons by 2030;
Increase annual revenues to local communities to more than $1.5 billion by 2030; and
Support roughly 500,000 jobs in the U.S., with an average of more than 150,000 workers directly employed by the wind industry.
Hundreds of such events occur in the nuclear countries every year; unfortunately there's no agreement on how to classify the events as to severity, etc.
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1.Americans have been warned since the 70's about the middle east,etc...but, no, suv's...more and more power,etc..so, here we are with $4/gal. gas and probably more...changes I thought 3-4 years ago that would take 10 have occurred in the last year....
2.you elected a president who could've have used the 9/11 mandate to build energy sources and jobs in this country......nope, borrow like there is no tomorrow and a war that goes nowhere....almost 7 years later...you still didn't get the bad guy that did 9/11......demand/supply in the world is very very tight..biggest point consumer in the world is the US military.....for a useless endeavor.
3. I am a professional conservationist..but I believe practical...develop nuclear and wind power and coal to gasoline...dirty?? clean it up and employ more epole here doing so......drill ANWAR? There has always been provision of law to drill it in an ENERGENCY...which filling up your bloated SUV is....NOT! get real!! look at the little that [at MAXIMUM of estmates] you can have oil for all our vehicles at current demand..you gotta learn to do the same thing with less........up the thermostat in the summer to 78-80F....wear a sweater in winter...drive 55-60 mph on the interstate,etc. IF there is such a panic...how many people do you know that you see doing this?? If energy is SUCH a crisis for the pocketbook...why not some laws right now to curb some excessive use like the 70's? the next step with the tight worldwide demand for oil is rationing..get ready..it may well happen in a few years........need a hybrid for all of this...nope1 I have a 5 star safety-rated car that is big as a full-size from sveral years ago...gets 42-45 mpg with AC...honda civic....I have a 50 mpg toyota echo...plenty of other good choices also,,...all, non-hybrid.
3.I went to portugal in feb. 1 euro=1.45-1.47..then,now in turkey last week, it is 1 euro=1.70...yes, your dollar buys a lot less in a little time..why? pres. and company keep printing more money..and this is ONLY the interest on the whole affair! I get tired of going to other countries and seeing thier mass transit....and small cars everywhere...return to nashville and they are raising fares and cutting routes on the mass transit....the world is NOT the 50/60/70/80 or 90's......you are going to have to adapt/learn..or lose!! I really don't know....americans have been known in the past for thier ingenuity and ability to think and work and survive...yes, as previous poster said, we are in trouble...now what??????????
The important part is to have things in place to deal with whatever comes up, and it's especially important when dealing with a nuke plant. Those are something one really should not be scrimping on when it comes to safety. Unfortunately, since American companies have this little tendency to call lawyers instead of engineers to fix their adherence to safety regulations, that places us, the energy-consuming public, in a slight pickle.
Incidentally, you guys might want to read up on Indian Point, which I live fairly close to. Nuke plant, 2 reactors, and "stuff" flying left and right that it should/shouldn't be relicensed, safety issues, the owners not bothering to FIX the safety issues, despite fines, and the biggest question: if they DO close it down then where will the poor NYC people get their electricity?
Yep, that's why some of us prefer to have the occasional blade fly off the windmill or the solar array to fall off the tower or the refinery to blow up. Unless I'm right next door or working in the facility, I don't have much reason to be concerned of what's going to blow downwind or wind up in my well water. That's not true with nukes as near as I can tell.
We haven't even touched on storage, transport, or reprocessing of the waste.
As far as nuclear waste products...one of the major ones is depleted uranium. It's one of the densest materials on the planet, which by itself implies all sorts of industrial uses. Why store it? My monitor gives off more radiation that depleted uranium. :shades: It's useful for all kinds of things, including, ironically, radiation shielding. :P
I've been reading this forum for quite some time and must say it is the most interesting and informative of any on Edmunds.
Anyway, I recently bought a motor scooter (Yamaha C-3) and it is estimated to get 115mpg with a top speed of 40mph! As I live in a fairly rural area (South of Charlottesville, VA) the local roads around here are lightly traveled and the speed limit is 45 so I feel fairly safe from those speed demons and crazies. I live just 9 miles from the local shopping center and can scoot up there and back and use far less gas than my Ford Ranger (average 19mpg) or Toyota Highlander Hybrid (average 28mpg)). I realize than many don't live in an area condusive to riding a scooter but being retired with lots of free time I can run up to the store for some light provisions (good sized storage area under the seat).
I have attached a pic for reference.
Happy and SAFE motoring to all -
Regards - M. J. McCloskey
Disposal Income spent on transportation fuels
1981 - 4.5%
1998 - 1.9% (lowest)
Now - 3.7%
Cost of gasoline per mile
1980 - 17.1 cents
1998 - 5.6 cents
Now - 15 cents
"We are not very happy with this increase in oil prices," said El-Badri during a visit to Ecuador.
"Volatility has nothing to do with the fundamentals. It has nothing to do with world demand," he said, stressing that a dropping dollar was driving prices higher.
"The price was at 130 dollars and today is at 135, so it's really a crazy market," he said.
El-Badri, OPEC's secretary general, is on a week-long working visit to the two OPEC member states in Latin America, Venezuela and Ecuador.
Tuesday he met with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in Caracas and with Minister of Energy and Petroleum/President of PDVSA, Rafael Ramirez.
In a statement released by the cartel on Wednesday, El-Badri said that OPEC remained committed "to working for the stability of the international oil market, noting that the current high oil prices are not influenced by market fundamentals, as the market is well-supplied.
"OPEC will continue to monitor global oil markets regularly and is ready to act if and when necessary to ensure market stability and adequate supplies," the statement added.
Crude oil prices rocketed to record highs above 135 dollars on Thursday, driven by growing concerns that energy supplies will fail to meet demand, analysts said.
Prices later pulled back to just below 133 dollars owing to profit-taking.
Ah peace and quite in the burbs
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Prices later pulled back to just below 133 dollars owing to profit-taking.
That's what it's all about in a nutshell basically. Buy some, then drive the price up (short supply rumors will do nicely), then sell it so they can make some money.
That and the weak dollar is driving the whole thing right now. And the weak dollar is our own fault. :sick:
Oh, so that's why my last pint of beer in London cost $25.
But why has the price of my ammo tripled?
The democratically controlled Congress is burning our tax dollars in the desert by giving in to the "Support our troops" bumper sticker crowd so I can't buy ammo or gas. Great going dems.
You need to load your own. Much better quality control You want 1/4 inch groups you have to have good loads. I've walked out of bars that wanted $7 for a mixed drink. I don't think this is a good time to vacation in the EU. Maybe the reason our vacation spots are filled. The low priced dollar is good for something. Just not the working man and woman.
PS
I paid $4.15 per gallon at Shell today. I refuse to wait in line at Costco for $3.86 gas.
Now how the hell am I going to make my own gas?
Demand for metals around the world. Try this as a start - Events, Trends, and Issues: http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/copper/
'"The democratically controlled Congress is burning our tax dollars in the desert by giving in to the "Support our troops" bumper sticker crowd so I can't buy ammo or gas. Great going dems."
That has got to be one of the most illogical statements I've seen in a while. There is absolutely no logical connection between the different parts of the sentence or the price of fuel. What desert are you talking about? You can buy all the ammo and gas you want. Why don't you go to the political forum at Edmunds to express your views.
http://www.cbpp.org/3-5-08bud.htm
http://budget.house.gov/faq_budget.shtml
I just did a quick run up to Boston (Friday evening) and back (Saturday afternoon), and I did not see a whole lot of slowing down; what surprised me was the relatively high number of NY plated cars - looked like all the folks who were heading out early for a weekend at Cape Cod (or wherever) were already out. On the way back through Ct I saw a ton of traffic (headed in the other direction
Since gas prices have already topped $4.00 per gallon for regular unleaded gas in some areas, many are rethinking travel plans for the holiday. Last year over Memorial Day Weekend, the price of gas was $3.11, so in one year there has been more than a 25% increase in the price of gas.
The big question on many consumers' minds is how to alleviate these high costs at the pump and save a few bucks. Here are a few things you can do to keep a little more money in your pocket.
The Car You Drive:
» Keep your car tuned up. Cars in poor running condition use more gasoline.
» Check your tire pressure. Over-inflated tires can actually reduce your fuel efficiency, just as under-inflated tires do, so don't overfill.
» Drive the speed limit. Each 10 miles per hour faster that you drive will reduce your fuel economy by 15% to 20%, according to tests by Consumer Reports and Edmunds.com.
» You no longer need to warm your car up for long periods of time, especially new cars. New cars are made to run when cold.
» Take unnecessary items out of the car. The less weight you have in your car the better gas mileage you'll get.
» Keep your windows closed when traveling at high speeds. Open windows cause additional drag and lower your gas mileage. At high speeds, an open window can cause your car to use more gas than many air conditioners (especially if they are on a low setting).
» When you run your air conditioner, it lowers your gas mileage. Use your air conditioner sparingly. If you have a lower setting, use it.
» Use your cruise control if available. Cruise controls prevent unnecessary speed changes which waste gas. In tests by Edmunds.com, using a cruise control at 77 mph improved fuel economy by 10 to 15 percent.
»If you have more than one car to choose from, don't just try to squeeze everyone into the one or two that go the furthest on a gallon. First of all, if you think you're saving gas by splitting the crew into two small cars rather than taking the big SUV, you're not. Remember, two small cars will burn gas twice as fast as one, and that's probably faster than your SUV.
You:
» If at all possible, try to arrange car pools with co-workers to share the cost of commuting to work.
» Walk, bike or run to your intended location whenever possible.
» If possible, change your work start time to avoid gridlock. Stop and go traffic hurts your gas mileage.
» Plan trips well to avoid unnecessary driving.
»Leave for your destination a little early so you don't feel pressured to drive faster.
» Avoid drive thru windows. They lead to excessive idling.
» Use public transportation when you can in your schedule.
» The most important step toward saving money on gas is to purchase vehicles that get high gas mileage. The difference between a 20 miles-per-gallon and 40 miles-per-gallon vehicle is huge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand
To summarize, the extra road building increases the supply of road space thereby reducing the price (e.g. the time spent to travel to the destination) which increases demand.
Here in Mississauga, Canada (just west of Toronto), the price of gas is $4.89 US per U.S. gallon (or 127.3 cents Canadian per litre) for regular unleaded. Premium unleaded is probably about $5.40.
There is a false premise here, the supply and demand equation is not the road but the destination/ To say that increasing road space automatically increases the use of that road means that people take meaningless trips just to use the road. Say the demand to travel between point 'A' and point 'B' is 150 cars an hour increasing the road capacity to 200 cars per hour would not increase traffic to that amount because there would be no demand for it.
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But if you have to use the road to get to the destination, then the road conditions do factor into the supply and demand equation.
For example, it takes me about 75 to 90 minutes to drive from my workplace to downtown Toronto in the afternoon rush hour. This is a significant deterrent to me to participating in any activities located in the downtown area (e.g. sports games, concerts, etc.).
If there was enough road space to make this a 30 minute drive, I would go downtown more often to participate in these activities. This extra demand is not meaningless, it just was not meaningful enough if the drive took 75 to 90 minutes.
We are seeing a similar effect in the reverse direction with these higher gas prices. $4 per gallon gasoline is making some people cut back demand by driving less. That extra trip to Costco each week that is meaningful at $2 per gallon might not be meaningful enough at $4.
As for your scenario, you're correct that the demand would not go up to 200 cars per hour. But it would not surprise me if the demand increased to 155 or 160 per hour.
For instance, a few years back, they widened one of the major roads around here, from two lanes to four. Yes, you read that right...a MAJOR road! It had only been on the master plan since roughly 1960, but in 2002 they finally started breaking ground on it. That road used to back up something horrible during rush hour, and for some reason, it seemed like the evenings were always worse than the mornings.
Now, this new 4-lane stretch of road is much better than what it replaced. However, in the decades since 1960, the city it does through, Bowie MD, basically didn't exist. There was a small hovel of buildings down by the railroad tracks and a sprawling horse farm called Bel Air. Nowadays, there's a city of about 50-60,000 people, and there's so much suburban sprawl that all the towns sort of run together.
Oftentimes, around here, the county or state will make a developer pay to upgrade the roads before they start building. So for a brief moment, there may actually be some improvement in congestion. Until those developments, churches, malls, etc go in. Then it's back to square one.