Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

dczark

Hi tic78... OK trying to pull the fuse this morning... It's dry in NJ and off to an early start.. want to be totally immature an leave smoking donuts in the parking lot... And I'm personally proud of my immaturity at 47... Why would we buy fast cars if we didn't want to F around? I'm getting the Coupe as soon as they come out with a convertible... Sunday car... V6 fully loaded with sports car stuff.. that version... This is what these cars are built for. At least that is what I want to use them for... And it's my money... Albeit a fraction of the other luxury rip-offs.. don't lease as I don't want to worry about a scratch or a ding costing me $500 on turning it in...

Anyway, So I pull the fuse from the MAIN BOX in the engine compartment (I have the V8 engine). F'n thing will not allow the car to run... I finally go it into drive, but all I got was drive and neutral... It clearly does not want me pulling this fuse. When I did put it into drive, it "clunked". If I pull it out before the car is started, the car will lot even start. If I start the car, pull it and then try to shift into gear it stays in Park, The gear shifter is Friggin locked... There are 4 fuse boxes in my car 1) Driver side interior 2) Passenger side interior 3) Engine compartment MAIN 4) Engine compartment SUPPLEMENTAL Overflow... it appears I pulled the right fuse but many refer to ESC or some other variation on the terms. The one I pulled was a 15 AMP out of the main box called TCU (Traction control Unit). I welcome your advice on getting around this..

Thanks...

tjc78

I have actually never done it. I have only read about it and seen the results! Anyway, a few posts above I posted a link to the genesisowners.com website. There is a whole thread there explaining which fuse to pull, etc IIRC its a 10A near the passenger side firewall fuse box. Hope this helps.

dczark

Thanks tic78... I'll take a look and advise once I get it working correctly...

dczark

Hi Fedlawn....

I would not put snow tires on a luxury Sport Sedan... Will they help?? Speak with your local tire expert-if he is honest he will tell you they are essentially not needed today as tire technology has come such a long way. Short of going off road or something...... IMHO, and research work, they are a waste of money and tire companies continue to manufacture them as they get to sell more tires... Just drive safe on regular high tech tires and your fine... If it's a blizzard, stay home or use another vehicle. I have the 2007 Santa Fe with the Big V6... Just FWD... The thing goes through anything... I use that if I need to get out in a blizzard... If you want them... go for it !!

fedlawman

You might want to do a little more tire research...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYEMH10Z4s

dczark

Special interest groups, I don't beleive everything I read or hear...plus.. I will concede that a snow tire will make a "slight" difference. But that's all... Careful driving is the most important factor, not the tire... I "choose" not to put "snow tires" on this or any Luxury Sports Sedan. I have other options.. If this is your only vehicle and you must drive it in the snow, then snow tires may be the right move for you. Later buddy...

lilengineerboy

Snow tires < Insurance deductible....

dczark

LOL !! OK...I give !! They are "slightly" safer, but my main point is to just drive safe... Enjoy your genesis..I love mine !!

jmonroe

The dealer was giving a $3,000 discount on this particular vehicle. The original sticker price was $40,000 with a final bottom line price of $37,000.

This price should not be a surprise at the end of a model year. Since you saw it at a restaurant, it could have been a car driven by the SM with more than just a few miles on it.

I&#146;m not bragging because the price I paid for my Genny was advertised to everybody via the internet site of the dealer I bought from in Ohio. It was a good price as far as I was concerned although I tried to buy the car for less because my experience with internet prices (&#145;05 and &#146;06 purchases) is that it is a good starting point but not this time. The guy would not budge on his internet price and like I said I thought it was a good price as advertised. That&#146;s why I drove 120 miles to Ohio from the Burgh to get my V8 Genny in March that had an MSRP of $42,100 for $38,141.

Markdowns at the end of the model year are common. Good prices in the middle of the year are not so common. That&#146;s why I grabbed the deal I got when it appeared.

FWIW, I checked that web site for 3 months after I bought in March and the price rose every month. I think that can be attributed to when the sun starts to shine and sales typically pick up.

jmonroe

backy

I've found over the years that the lowest new car prices seem to come in March. I know there's some good deals at the end of the year also, but for some reason March is a real good month to buy a new car, in general. I don't know if that's because of slow sales early in the year, or that it coincides with the local auto show and special rebates offered at that time, or just what it is.

obyone

March slow sales are due to everyone preparing to pay Uncle Sam on April 15.

iluvmysephia1

I don't know about that. I bought my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS in Rally Red on March 21, 2007.

But that was because I was just chomping at the bit to buy one ASAP! Was told by the Avondale Mitsubishi Sales Manager that I was the 2nd person in Arizona to buy a '08 Lancer GTS model.

Darn, I wanted to be the first!

backy

Conventional wisdom on discounting does not apply to new models.

carolinabob

I have read and heard that December is best month. Not sure why, but may be because most people are buying other things for Christmas. Also, dealers may be trying to clear out inventory before taxes.

tjc78

IMO generally winter months are better, however if you ask many guys in the biz the last day or two of any month is usually good. They are often willing to take a loss on one unit to hit a bonus.

bman900

Thanks for your posts.... This is great unbiased 'real' information we would not otherwise get from other sources. Most of the testdrives by the professional automative editors indicate the Genesis V6 has ample power in most everyday driving conditions. In your 35,000 miles of driving experience with the 3.8 litre engine, were there any times that you wished you had the 4.6?

colegar

I originally was trying to wait for the V8 to be introduced but once I drove the V6, I did not see any reason to wait. As I have posted here in the past, I have owned several luxury brands and a few real "performance" cars (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Acura, etc.) and I am not one to tolerate sluggishness. I don't want to make the Genesis 3.6 out to be as good as a BMW 335i or the like, because it is not. However, for any kind of "normal" driving, it performs great. When the first V8 Genesis arrived at my dealer, he invited me to take it out for a test drive. Yes, the V8 has a little more of a "premium" feel and at very high speeds it moves out with more authority than my V6. Surprisingly, it did not feel that much quicker at anything less than 80 MPH. If you read the road test reviews, the experts comment on the fact that the V6 can hit 60 MPH in around six seconds with the V8 only getting there a tic or two sooner.

I have also commented several times about how well mated the transmission is to the V6. I am convinced that the transmission is at least partially responsible for how well the V6 performs.

Would I rather have a V8? Yes. Do I drive around disappointed that I went ahead with the purchase of the V6? Absolutely not!

tjc78

The 3.8 is fine as far as acceleration, however just don't expect it to be as refined as the Toyota 3.5 (2GR) or a BMW 6. Its not nearly as free revving and doesn't have the smoothness at higher RPM.

colegar

I agree with you when comparing the Genesis 3.8 to a BMW 6, but I do not agree that the Toyota 3.5 compares favorably. It so happens that I have both the Genesis and a Toyota with that engine and I find the Genesis to feel like a bigger, more capable engine. You are correct that the Toyota is very quick-revving but I find it to be a lot more "buzzy" and it has less torque, especially when driving in the mountains.

Comparing any six to a BMW 6 is not a fair fight. The feel and sound of the BMW six is just simply in a class of its own!

Ain't it funny how we can all have different takes on the same comparisons? That's what evokes so much passion from those of us who love cars. There may be more people that agree with your opinion than mine.

tjc78

I think we may have discussed this before. FWIW I am comparing my Genesis to my previous '06 Avalon. That car (while absolutely no sports car) had such authority on takeoff and passing situations. The 3.8 feels like (to me) its chugging along with no sense of urgency. Another thing I noticed on the Toyota was that while cruising at say 70 to make a subtle change in speed the Toyota never had to kick down a gear where the Genesis is always downshifting. I only have 4500 miles, so maybe its not fully broken in yet?

colegar

I can tell that you are a knowledgeable car man and I respect your opinion. I'm not sure why we view the comparison differently but at least we are talking about two very good vehicles from a value standpoint. One thing for sure ... the Avalon will go forever without problems. I plan to drive my Genesis for about 100,000 miles which I will achieve in about three years. I hope that I will be reporting that it too can rack up a lot of miles without any significant issues.

There are two reasons that I plan to trade at around 100K. First, I want to let someone else have it after the drivetrain warranty expires. Secondly, I know that I will see something else by then that "I just have to have".

aqua33v6

Avalons (and V6 Camrys too) have very short gear ratios for the 2nd and 3rd gears. The closer spacing between gears makes the engine rev quicker, of course. But look at the track test times for the Genesis 3.8 and Avalon: the Genesis is about 0.1 to 0.2 seconds quicker to 60 MPH than the Avalon.

With passing, the Avalon might be slightly quicker from 40 to 60, or 70 to 90 (again, the shorter gear ratios), but keep the pedal to the floor in both cars, and the Genesis will still be quicker accelerating from 40 to 80, and from 70 to 100+. Another thing that affects how "quick" a car feels is the calibration of the electronic throttle. A more sensitive throttle will make a car feel quicker, especially from a stop.

tjc78

Avalons (and V6 Camrys too) have very short gear ratios for the 2nd and 3rd gears.

Not much difference, actually the Gen is geared lower in 1st and 2nd, from 3 - 6 they are virtually identical.

Avalon:
First Gear Ratio (:1) 3.30
Second Gear Ratio (:1) 1.90
Third Gear Ratio (:1) 1.42
Fourth Gear Ratio (:1) 1.00
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1) 0.71
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1) 0.61

Genesis:
First Gear Ratio (:1): 3.52
Second Gear Ratio (:1): 2.04
Third Gear Ratio (:1): 1.40
Fourth Gear Ratio (:1): 1.00
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.72
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.59

tjc78

I'm not sure why we view the comparison differently

Could be any number of reasons, different driving habits, different roads... who knows. Doesn't matter what anyone says anyway, as long as the owner is happy :shades:

but at least we are talking about two very good vehicles from a value standpoint.

I can't argue there.

bman900

What is the final drive ratio on each (at the rear differential) ? (most vehicles range from 3:1 to 4:1)

miklo

fedlawman,
I may get blasted for having a similar opinion as you but, although it has been many years ago while in the Army in Fairbanks Alaska we did not use snow tires.I drove a dodge pickup truck,and a sedan that I cant remember model....lol it was long ago.My point is that out in the boonies I think they were used some,what we did was in fact buy the very best tires available at that time,of course I will concede that there probably is a slight advantage,but it wasn't enough for us to warrant all the trouble involved. Im not sure now what is done but when I was a kid while my Dad was in the service after snow many ppl made it a point to remove snow tire, and return to regular tire. Let me say up front this is just my opinion as I have lived in Tucson,Arizona for many,many years and we dont need em here.I have always believed and was taught in the Army that its how you drive in snow that matters most,and I also believe that it is just a ploy for the most part by tire companies to give ppl a false sense of security when they buy snow tires. Sure ya can find pro and con viewpoint on the net (on any subject) about snow tires,but IMHO its a matter of skill and preference. Now 4me the only thing I miss about snow is doin donuts in the parking lots.....and maybe Im just to old to try again anyway......nah I still would do it ....lol.

MIKLO

tjc78

What is the final drive ratio

Avalon is 3.69:1
Genesis is 3.909:1

robr2

Snow tires when combined with careful driving makes for a great combination.

I run snows on dedicated rims on both our vehicles from November to March. We enjoy snow sports and winter hiking/camping and having snows makes it more enjoyable. It's not just about driving in a blizzard. The more plausible scenario is driving on hard packed snow and ice. That's where snow tires shine.

The main issue I see with running all-season tires in winter is that most people don't inspect or realize how bad their tires are. By swapping twice a year, I visually inspect my tires for wear and damage. Bad tires and bad weather - even just rain - don't mix.

If one is considering snows today, the rule is run them on all four corners to ensure equal grip. As for snow tires being a marketing opportunity, I disagree. Many European countries as well as Quebec require the use of snow tires. Studies have shown them to be more effective when driving on packed snow.

fedlawman

What Robr2 said...

carolinabob

Supposedly the absolute optimum time would be December 31, 30 minutes before closing time.
But as you say, last day of the month, end of the day is good because the dealer, sales manager, floor manager and salesman all need something up on the scoreboard for the month.

backy

Maybe not. If a dealer has already made its targets for the month/quarter/year at 8:30 pm on 12/31, or has no hope of making them even with several more sales, I can see they wouldn't be inclined to give the World's Best Deal. So I agree with the approach that a couple days before month/quarter/year end is a better time to buy a car than the last minute, in general. Probably better selection then, also.

allmet33

Well...two ways to think on that...find the salesman that hasn't made his quota yet and talk with him. He'll do whatever it takes to make the deal go through. Also, even if a salesman has made his quota, he'll still be inclined to work a good deal because there's bonuses for sales above quotas too.

Another great time to find a good deal is when lots are right before dealerships bring in the new model years. They want to clear space, so they cut prices, offer incentives and make deals that are better than normal.

stephen987

find the salesman that hasn't made his quota yet and talk with him

At many dealerships the salesman isn't in control of the deal--the sales manager is. And the quota is a quota for the whole dealership.

Under these conditions, you have to get to the sales manager in order for the price to move at all.

allmet33

You're absolutely right, but the salesman will do his best to implore him to make it a deal if he really needs that sale.

Yes, dealerships have overall quotas, but sales people have individual quoatas that feed their paycheck. The more they sell, the bigger their check and most dealers offer bonuses for those that sell beyond their target quota.

poodog13

Sales guys I've talked to don't get commissions on cars that don't meet minimum dealer profit. Quota is only one aspect of willingness to deal, but you've got to leave some room for it to be worth his effort.

allmet33

In this case...the Genesis, I'm sure would meet the criteria. Quota may only be one aspect, but it is an aspect and don't be fooled by a salesperson telling you that he'll turn down a chance to make a sale. Point blank, it equates to money in his pocket.

poodog13

How do you figure that a sales guy who sells a car at a loss gets money in his pocket as a result, unless in fact the dealership has authorized some sort of inventory reduction event?

I work in sales. If that is the case, I need to go work for that dealership.

allmet33

First of all, I never said anything about making a sale at a loss. I simply said making a good deal. Also, in terms of the post I made about going in right before the dealership is bringing in the new model year cars...that's usually when inventory reduction events happen to make room for the new cars coming in.

At any rate, sales people work on commission. I'm sure the commission is affected by the overall deal made on the vehicle, but the point is...the sales person gets paid for cars sold...bottom line.

carolinabob

All of these are theories and subject to varying circumstances. Several articles have been written in professional magazines, etc. re: the December and last day of the month, end of day scenarios. Of course, you are restricted to what is on the lot.
Also, for many dealerships/sales people, it is not just a quota, so much as who sold how many last month or last quarter, etc. Every sale counts.
Also, some salesmen have told me that they get a flat $500 for every car sold or the higher commission if they sell it at a larger profit.
At many dealerships, the cars on the lot are carrying loans, so getting rid of it before the next payment is due will save the dealer money.

backy

I understand all that. I was simply expressing my opinion that a buyer has better odds of getting the All Time Best Deal Ever a couple of days before month/quarter/year end than 30 minutes before close on the last day. There are better odds that special incentives for reaching a target sales goal are still in force, or are reachable. We can just agree to disagree on that.

carolinabob

As you said, and as usual, it's your opinion and yours alone.
Also, that it is the "All Time Best Deal Ever" timeframe is something only God knows.

bmb1767

Now that we have totally gone over when you should buy a car......anyone having any other thoughts on the Genesis (driving experience, etc.)?

tjc78

I'll bite since I have one (Premium Package, Cab Red Pearl w/Cashmere). If you read back through the forum there are a lot of driving impressions etc. Anyway, I have had mine for around 5 months and have 4700 miles. To date the car hasn't had any problems other than an alignment that was off when delivered. Fit and finish and the interior materials are really nice at this price point.

The car is comfortable and very quiet. I find the ride to be good on smooth roads, however, IMO the ride easily becomes unsettled and transmits the bumps through the steering wheel on bad roads. It all really depends what you are used to. I came from an '06 Avalon so to me the ride is a disappointment. Before buying this car be sure to drive it on the roads you drive on everyday. Handling is decent for a car this large and can be pushed pretty hard if you want to,

As for features, etc no compaints at all. The mid-level 14 speaker Lexicon is great, the A/C is strong, and the bluetooth, smart key etc all work as designed.

I am averaging 20 MPG with the V6. It has a decent amount of power, not neck snapping, though. Its also not quite in the league of other V6s out there but fairly refined. I would say its better than Ford's 3.5 but not as good as a Toyota 2GR.

Any thing else just ask.

bmb1767

Thanks! Looking to maybe lease one either now or next Summer and just grew weary of the back and forth on when best to buy a car. This forum should be about the car itself.

bobad

As you said, and as usual, it's your opinion and yours alone.

True,,, now you're catching on.

tjc78

We all drift OT from time to time. Another great forum for the Genesis is "genesisowners.com" there are tons of topics on just about anything Genesis there.

miklo

Well I think the best time 2buy is when ya get the best deal....lol but no way 2tell when that really will be IMO. I bought my Genesis last January,I really was just kinda looking but they were really hard up to make a sale, and I had looked at the car b4 on net as far as price....etc. Really I threw an offer at them that I thought was almost impossible for them to accept,and guess what they did,so I bought the car and have loved every minute of it since then.BTW as some ppl may know,you can find price the dealer paid for the car by getting an account at Consumer Affairs mag. for $14.00 and it takes all the guess work an hassle out of buying a car.Well at least it did 4me and some other ppl I know. So go get a new Genesis 2day and enjoy life while your still alive and able 2enjoy.

MIKLO

backy

Actually I heard this approach from another experienced car shopper, who learned it from someone who is a professional car buyer (shops for other people, for a fee). So it's NOT "my opinion and mine alone." But what a great way to diss someone's opinion--saying that he is the only person in the world who thinks that way, thus everyone else must agree with the alternate opinion.

There are actually many theories on this subject. Here's one that might fly in the face of normal thinking, but I can understand where the author is coming from:

Don't go at month's end: Going to a dealer at the end of the month is not effective. People rush to buy during this period, so dealers have higher traffic and their own "supply" of customers. It's more effective to go at the beginning of the month, especially on a sunny day when fewer people will venture into a dealership. Remember, salespeople love to start the month with high sales.

http://autos.aol.com/article/negotiating-prices

colloquor

Not all sales people, or car sales people to be specific, work on a commission. I used to work at a new car dealership where the sales staff was paid a flat fee per unit sold - actually higher for a used car ($200) than a new one ($150). This dealership, owned by the same family since 1942, paid each sales person a base salary, plus the total of unit sold fees per week.

bmb1767

I am looking to either lease a 2009 Hyundai Genesis now or wait until next Summer. When I go to local Hyundai dealership websites and click on "Genesis" to see their investory, you will see one picture of a Genesis and then 10 Genesis Coupes in their inventory.

Hey dealers! Separate the two cars! :mad: