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Not for long! The 2.7 will be replaced by an upgraded 2.4 I4 with direct injection, better MPG numbers, and HP numbers near 200HP in the 2010 SF early next year. :shades:
It takes five or more years for a car company to overcome a bad reputation. While a few of us may be willing to take a chance, the vast majority of buyers are not. That's what keeps Toyota and Honda at the head of the pack.
If the cars issued by Hyundai in 2006 and later prove still reliable at 5+ years, then it may shake its reputation. Remember, many defects and "operates as designed" issues are not covered by warranty.
I still have people I know who are shocked when they find out I purchased a Hyundai.
According to CR, reliability for five-year-old Hyundais (2004 model year):
Accent: Above Average
Elantra: Above Average (fwiw, mine has been the least troublesome car after 5 years I have owned)
Sonata I4: Average
Sonata V6: Above Average
Santa Fe: Above Average
Tucson (2005 MY, debuted fall 2004): Above Average
XG: Above Average
Consider the reputation shaken.
No mention of the Azera? :lemon:
One thing is certain. People either love 'em or hate 'em! There's no in between.
Guess you know what my feelings are by now. :lemon:
BTW, I heard that there will not be any 2010 Azeras, a good thing!
I have the cashmere and my mats match perfectly. Your experience is just a lazy dealer, happens all the time with many makes and models.
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Actually, the CR sample pool is so low and non-representative of the total auto owning population that it is not reliable itself. I know because I sent in a glowing survey on the 07 Azera and it went from below average in April 08 issue to much better than average in April 09 issue.
In the end what really matters is the perception of the general public and I agree that is getting better and better for Hyundai. But the question is does Hyundai rank in the very top ranks now? Not yet, but in a few years maybe.
Personally I worry that their rush to get out new models distracts them from refining the existing models and insuring reliability over the long term.
Motor Trend had a site once which showed where they had picked several Cars of the Year that turned out to be lemons in the long run. Only time will tell.
Will the iPod Touch work in this car??
Thanks!!
Hyundai Models Top Audi and Ford Competitors in Respective Categories
FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., June 29 /PRNewswire/ -- Automotive research and consulting firm AutoPacific named the Hyundai Genesis and Hyundai Elantra 2009 Ideal Vehicles in their respective categories. In the Aspirational Luxury Car category, the Hyundai Genesis beat out top rivals including the Audi A5 and A4, Volvo XC70 and Cadillac CTS, while the Hyundai Elantra topped the Ford Focus, Mazda3 and Kia Spectra in the Compact Car segment. Additionally, the Hyundai Sonata finished second in the Premium Mid-Size Car segment.
AutoPacific's fourth annual Ideal Vehicle Awards (IVA) rank auto manufacturers for how closely their 2009 model-year cars or trucks came to matching owners' expectations and criteria. To determine the winners, AutoPacific asked owners to rate their new car or truck on how close it came to "ideal" in 15 different categories ranging from power and acceleration to safety features and storage. The vehicles that customers said they would change the least were considered the most "ideal."
"Hyundai has created two vehicles that owners say are nearly perfect just the way they are: their ideal vehicle," said George Peterson, president, AutoPacific. "Owners of the Genesis and Elantra indicated through AutoPacific's survey that they are driving a vehicle that meets their expectations, meaning they desire little to no change to their vehicle."
"Having our models recognized for AutoPacific's 2009 Ideal Vehicle Awards is a testament to the hard work and dedication that goes into all the vehicles in the Hyundai lineup," said Scott Margason, director of Product and Strategic Planning, Hyundai Motor America. "At Hyundai, we strive to exceed customer expectations in safety, quality and performance and look forward to continuing to develop more award winning vehicles."
Hyundai's Genesis sedan sets a new benchmark in the premium car category. With a starting price of just $33,000, Genesis includes performance and luxury features typically found on vehicles costing thousands of dollars more.
The Hyundai Elantra has unsurpassed standard safety in the compact segment and is equipped with six standard airbags. Elantra includes many extras like standard audio auxiliary input jack - all at an affordable price point any customer will appreciate.
AUTOPACIFIC
AutoPacific is a future-oriented automotive marketing and product-consulting firm. Every year it publishes a wide variety of syndicated studies for the automotive industry. The firm also conducts extensive proprietary research and consulting for auto manufacturers, distributors, marketers and suppliers worldwide. Additional information can be found at www.autopacific.com.
Probably spent around $1,500 so far, which includes the new Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S Pinna's. Which I luv to the max, BTW. I have found my tires to love. And I don't even try and skip on routine maintenance at all-I've learned the more is usually the merrier for car maintenance, to save on trouble later on down the road.
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MIKLO
True! Tranny fluid change is recommended at 105K miles. I got 2 free tire rotations. Radiator flush is about due. Tires will soon need changing due to driving a stretch of rough road. No belts, no bulbs, no battery, no nothing. Haven't spent a dime on the car except for oil and filters. I don't find that too remarkable, it only has 40K miles on it.
Regardless, Backy please carefully read the Ap[ril 08 and April 09 issues of CR and note that they changed model listings, e.g. XG and Azera are separate in 08, but lumped together in 09. Hyundai is improving, but still has a few skeltons in its closet. Notice number of black spots and changes in ratings.
Also, MB E350 went from worse than average in 08 to average and recommended in 09 - one year? CR has information, but needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
In 08, 07 Azera was much worse than average and a used car to avoid, but in 09 it was rated much above average. Amazing what my one over-inflated survey reply apparently accomplished. CR's sample is too small and non-representative. Also, don't forget many subscribers are businesses, institutions, librarys, etc. that never submit surveys.
Regardless, the Genesis is a fantastically equipped and priced vehicle and has been well received by many, but NOT all. The Azera was better received in 2006 and its sales are dismal and resale value has plummeted. Also, problems surfaced in too many of them - and Hyundai acknowledged them. Will Genesis do better? Let's keep our fingers crossed because I would like to have one. But not before there is less controversy over the suspension and it proves itself - and Hyundai supports it better than they have the Azera, Vera Cruz and some others.
BTW, I will be taking a hiatus from this and other sites. Car Space in particular as it seems to have way too much back and forth between the same individuals discussing the same things ad infinitum or attacking those that question the exalted Hyundai models. Maybe you guys could just e-mail each other or get a room somewhere? Anyway, bye and good luck.
Since when was the 3.8 in the Sonata?
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Please read all his posts here...it's always the same story...
Genesis has problems...
Azera has problems...
Hyundai has problems...
I myself coming from a 2006 Azera limited traded the car in April for a Genesis V8 can speak for myself only! My Dad (81) has a 2006 Sonata loaded and my brother has a 2001 Sonata 4 cyl. fully loaded.
I've had a blast with the Azera for the 3 years I've owned it. It's been a GREAT car for me despite what Carolina says.
My current 3 1/2 month old Genesis has been nothing but pure enjoyment. I love this car more than ever and it keeps growing on me. I've never had such a pleasure of driving a car. I now have over 10,000KM on her in less than 4 months. It's an absolutley GREAT car.
I've been driving for nearly 30 years and have been working on the road for 25years. Believe me I have driven TONS of miles in every possible scenario there is!!!
AGAIN...this is my opinion...just like carolina has his own opinion.
The only difference between us is simple...I am convinced Hyundai has become a PREMIUM brand car that make GREAT/RELIABLE cars TODAY!
He's on a mission to let everyone know that they are POS and that EVERYONE should 2nd guess before purchasing ANY Hyundai car. (Bear in mind he is not alone here)
He won't stop!
and now a great video...enjoy...
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7312406
Regards,
Because some people did not have problems is no reason to be so baised
towards those who do have and are continuing to experience problems.
My biggest concern with Hyundai is not the problems that some Azera and yes Genesis
owners are experincing, but Hyundais' attitude about correcting those problems.
We always hear: "That is normal" or "It is driving as it was designed."
Both Bob and myself and a many others are on our third set of factory shocks.
ALL have failed and Hyundai refuses to correct these part failures, pretending to hide behind those stupid excuses. If there were no shock problems, why did Hyundai replace those original shocks with the TSB parts? And why did Hyundai replace those replacement shocks with the latest parts?
All in all, three sets, all with different part numbers and all have failed because of poor quality.
Mando cannot produce a quality product which will last more than a few hundred miles.
No one makes or offers an aftermarket replacement shock!
Hyundai will not have a 2010 model Azera so there is no need to correct or attempt to
fix any suspension problems with the Azera. Lets bring out another model and make
the Genesis the next to the top of the line and promote the new Equus instead.
Because some people bought early Azeras (06s) and were lucky and
have experinced no problems is a fortunate thing for them.
Please do not attach those of us who have and are still experincing
problems with these later Azeras' and their inferior shocks.
Before I bought the Azera, we rented a V6 Sonata for a weekend and put 1000 miles
on that rental car over all types of roads and at all speeds, and it was a fine car.
Based on that, I thought the Azera would be the same, but alas, that was not the case.
BTW, there are many who are not happy with their Genesis ride and handling.
Many magazines have spoken of the Genesis' shortcomings regarding this.
For a comparison, you do not and will not hear anyone who tests a late "3" "5" or "7"
series BMW or an E or S class Mercedes complain about their ride and handling.
Why do you think that is?
Good luck with your Genesis.
Let's hope that your Sachs shocks are better than the Mandos on the Azeras.
Please understand that I truly feel your pain with the problems you may be experiencing...but for me I have NO problems with the Hyundai's I and my family have owned.
I agree there are dealerships that suck the bag royally and that Hyundai corporate should get rid of these cancerous places but I have totally been treated like royalty at my dealership.
I've ALWAYS been a Honda and Toyota loyalist and am sick'n'tired of their cockyness!
I'm DONE with them...
My advice is simple...you don't like it then DON'T buy it. Move on and change company.
That's what I did and couldn't be happier.
It's such a simple thing...if you don't like coke then don't drink it.
I really don't get some people.
PS. with what happen to me with my last Camry...I don't go on their forum and badmouth Toyota all the time...that is called a mission.
My mission is to let people know that I love what Hyundai is doing FOR ME and am sharing it freely. YMMV.
Regards,
According to marketing 101, about 10% of people are satisfied with nearly everything, and about 20% of people are dissatisfied with nearly everything. Knowing that, we must be careful not to take complaints too seriously. That is especially so when it's obvious the person has lost all objectivity.
Good luck. I hope you get a satisfactory resolution for your Genesis.
And where are you getting this info from? Everything I have read and seen indicates that although it won't be launched until next summer, there will be a 2010 Azera (could be a 2011 model by then). It will be based on an updated chassis/body and will provide the basis for the new Kia Amanti also.
http://www.motorauthority.com/spy-shots-kia-vg-based-on-next-generation-hyundai-- - azera-grandeur.html
:P
Also, Azera is a different design than the Genesis, with the exception of the 3.8 which has been tweaked for the Genesis.
Have fun on your hiatus.
The tire dealer took me out to the balancing machine to let me observe the reason for the less-than-perfect ride characteristics. Each of the Pirellis had a slight amount of what he called "movement" and that I would call "out-of-round". He offered to let me switch to a set of Michelin Pilot Sport AS Plus, which he all but guaranteed to be flawless. He told me that if I were driving a typical American-made car, or a Camry, Honda, etc., I would never have noticed the slight "movement" in the Pirellis because those cars' suspension tolerances and engineering are not as sensitive as a BMW, Mercedes, or, yes ... a Genesis. He charged me the price difference between the two brands, which set me back approximately an additional $259 but he did not charge for mounting and balancing.
I have put about 1,000 miles on the Michelins and he was correct in that they are absolutely vibration-free at any speed. They are also outstanding from a handling standpoint. However, I almost wish I had lived with the less-than-perfect Pirellis because the Michelins tend to exacerbate the much too-stiff ride that the Genesis inherently has (no matter if some bloggers refuse to admit it).
I am going to stick with the Michelins for two reasons. First, anytime I am on good smooth roads, they are perfect! Secondly, the tire dealer has bent over backwards to make me happy and I don't have the heart to go back with a different complaint. Its not his fault that Hyundai missed the mark in setting up the suspension! If anyone from Pirelli happens to read this, I think the PZero Neros are great tires if you guys can just make them round!
At 30,000 miles, I will give my regular owner-experience update that I have posted at 5,000 mile intervals since I bought the Genesis last August. If I am not the mileage king among us, I am close to it. Unless something changes between now and then, get ready to read that it is a fantastic car except for the overly harsh transmission of bumps in the road. Anybody want to take my bet that Hyundai will make some suspensions corrections for upcoming model years?
Thanks so much for your great info,although I'm not even close to needing tires(3900 miles) I now have a course of action when I'm ready thanks to your hard work.I have read and took to heart this and your other threads because, I have the feeling that you are very particular about how things are done,you said anal but I don't think its that cause I have a brother who is much like you, and is really very meticulous on how he does things.The ride you speak of is noticeable and does need improvement but my feeling is that with a first year car its a fairly common thing that some things do need 2B tweaked, and as you said its certain that it will be done on some level.Again thanks for another great post(as always) and keep em coming.
MIKLO
I need to correct one thing. The difference I had to pay to get the Michelins was $359 ($100 more than I stated). That makes them a very expensive tire!
Godd luck with your car!
It also makes a difference where you buy the tire. I did some work for Firestone once upon a time and the highest quality tire with the tightest specifications was sold to the auto industry, ie. the tires that come on your new car. The next lower quality tire(with the exact same name brand specs ect) was sold to the Firestone retailer. The next lower category went to the discount retailer like what used to be called Otasco and another large retailer I won't name. The lowest quality tire with the most forgiving specifications had the name changed to another "off brand." The category under this wound up in the back of the plant and was sold as scrap deemed unsafe to be put on a car.
It looks like some people in this forum seem to think the Gensis is actually a Lexus that didn't make the grade and was rebranded a Hyundai. I disagree and think that Lexus and Infinity just heard Roy Orbison sing a song called "Blew by You." as Genesis rocketed past them in the never ending quest for luxury!
Thanks for the feedback. I prefer not to mention the tire dealer by name because I don't know if they would want Pirelli to know that they actually showed me the so called "movement" that apparently was causing the vibration at 80 MPH. I will tell you that they are a major tire dealer with probably a hundred or more locations. I would really be surprised if they are not getting first-line tires from the major tire brands!
So you probably zoomed in either too close or too far on the map. The roads disappear depending on your setting.
I thought the same thing until I played around with the dial.
I hope this helps.
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Replying to both edlawman and iluvmysephia1:
Thanks for the feedback. You are two of several that highly recommend the Pirelli Pzero Nero M+S. Even though I could not get them balanced to my satisfaction, I do believe that they are a very good tire. I will emphasize again that they were very quite and they seemed to absorb some of the harsh suspension characteristics that the Genesis is known for. I may give them another try about a year from now since I rack up about 33,000 miles per year.
I do think that Michelin's manufacturing tolerances must be tighter than other tire manufacturers. They just seem to always be perfectly round easy to balance without requiring much weight to get them balanced. I guess they should be better because they are certainly more expensive on an apples-to-apples basis!
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Sorry to be replying to such an "old" post in this thread, but the Corolla hasn't been Toyota's belly-dragger model for nearly 30 years. A bit more than "a few years ago," I don't care how old you are!
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the reason for the less-than-perfect ride characteristics."
Two questions: :confuse:
What's the brand name of the balancing equipment your tire dealer uses?
Does your Genesis have 18 inch wheels? In other words, what is your tire size?
Move on and change company. [companies]
That's what I did and couldn't be happier."
I really liked our Azera when I first test-drove it as many others have done also!
I really liked our Azera again twice more when and after the factory
shocks were changed as many others have done also!
But they will not and do not hold up but for just a few miles.
"My advice is simple . . . you don't like it then DON'T buy it.
Move on and change company. [companies]
That's what I did and couldn't be happier."
What should I do since I am stuck with it? :confuse:
Answer . . . My lemon-law firm :lemon: is working on solving that problem.
Imagine when the factory rep and my automotive expert road tested my car and it
did its' terrible ride thing and then they all went out in a newer Azera with but
1500 miles on the odometer and it was riding and handling perfectly?
Wonder what the reps' boses said when he reported that to them?
Stay tuned. Results will follow as they occur. Should not be long now!
They used two different balancing machines and methods. The first time, they used a traditional balancing machine. The next time, they used a dynamic balancing machine that applies pressure to simulate real-world weight and road forces. I believe the dynamic balancer was a Hofmann but I am not sure of that. Neither can I recall what brand the traditional balancer was.
I have bought five or six sets of tires from this same store and have found their technicians to be real pros. This was my first problematic situation relative to balancing from them.
The Michelins I wound up with are absolutely perfectly balanced but they are not shy about letting you know when you hit a bump!
May I ask why you wanted to know about the balancing equipment?
MIKLO
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