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Sorry about that. :surprise: :sick:
Is there anyone in this forum that has dealt with the Sync system in Ford vehicles? How is it?
I know the feeling. I work in IT at a university and support the labs, help desk, and dorm network, and let me just say that Windows 7 better be much better than Vista or I just might have to strangle someone! :mad:
With iPod being the man music/video source a lot of folks have these days, I'm surprised that Hyundai didn't commission Apple to create a system for their vehicles. It seems they like to be different than everyone else to begin with. Apple stuff is so much more robust and dependable than that windows based stuff.
I would have thought that this would have opened the door right here...
Hyundai Genesis & Mac
Currently, there are a few test computers actually running dual environments here, but it's a limited situation.
I am seriously considering upgrading to Mac when I get rid of my home stuff.
MIKLO
Windows 7 is in reality nothing other than Vista SP3, with several updates, tweaks, and substantially improved peripheral driver support.
Back to the Genesis...
I just hope whatever Microsoft and Hyundai come up with...that it will be a robust system that will be user friendly and something that makes sense.
well yeah, but so it should, it is cheaper than the Genesis. In terms of the 'bling for the buck , the new Taurus is every bit the car that the V6 Genesis is - arguably even a better 'value', and even with a better brand perception. Don't sell the new Taurus short.
Not quite sure you've looked at the pricing for the new Taurus. While invoice price seems to be quite close, looking at Edmunds TMV pricing puts the Taurus up $3k over the Genesis. The point I've been making is that while you do get a much improved Taurus, it will be quite sluggish compared to the Genesis because it has less hp to push around more weight...and that's without the AWD feature.
Puh-lease...bling for the buck, the Taurus offers no bling, for that...you would need to look to the over-priced Lincoln MKZ which is nothing more than an upscale Taurus.
So...in what arena do you pay more and end up with a better value?
Ford...better brand perception??? Yeah, okay...just like folks mention Hyundai's disposable days, there are still plenty of folks that remember when FORD stood for Found On Road Dead or Friggin' Ol' Rebuilt Dodge!!!
Nope. MKZ is an upscale Fusion. MKS is an upscale Taurus.
The day Hyundai puts standard Apple products in their cars is the day they go off my shopping list. I don't want to get caught up in the special Apple this and special Apple that trap.
Yeah, no kidding. Or end in TS (CTS, STS, DTS). . . at least "Genesis" is a name that means something.
In a historical reference, MK stands for Mark, so they are the Mark X and Mark S...they ran out of numbers apparently.
Also, is it really that much harder to keep track of MK than 328i or 335i or 335D, or TSX, TL and RL, with MDX and RDX in there for good measure, or are you just complaining about vehicle names in general?
The day Hyundai puts standard Apple products in their cars is the day they go off my shopping list. I don't want to get caught up in the special Apple this and special Apple that trap.
I think for the most part, that ended in 2001 when USB became common. To that end, and this unrealistic fear for all things Microsoft, a little bit of fear goes a long way. MS's main contribution was the platform, like Windows CE or "windows mobile" or whatever they call it, not necessarily the individual aps.
To answer your question...yes, it is harder to keep up with the vehicle names in terms of 4 different vehicles all starting with the MK designation. Using 328, 335, etc is a bad example because they are all in the 3-Series and each one denotes the type of engine that particular model may have. MKS, MKX, MXT & MKZ are all different vehicles with two being sedans and two being crossovers. Can't imagine how they ran out of numbers when they stopped at VIII. Unless they simply skipped IX and the MKX is actually a Mark 10. I mean...X looks so much cooler than IX.
TSX, TL, RL, MDX & RDX are very easy to keep up with simply because the 1st two letters are pretty much different for each model.
Basically...Lincoln has simply shown a lack of creativity in terms of naming their current line-up. It is what it is and I made a minor faux pas in mixing up two vehicles.
The 2010 Taurus appears to be more of the styling update that it needed so badly as opposed to anything earth shattering from a mechanical perspective - from a simple spec sheet comparison, it does appear that those power and styling upgrades will make it more enough to be a logical alternative that should be cheaper as well - given that Ford products have been known to be discounted even more heavily lately than even the Genesis.
Fuel economy between the two is pretty much dead even.
As far as pricing goes, the 2010 Taurus SHO with the 365 hp under the hood will be going for closer to $45k when you get done putting in the extra goodies you want. Please explain how that is cheaper than $42k for a fully loaded Genesis 4.6 w/Tech Package??? :confuse:
Pulled from the Inside Line's test between the SHO and the G37 coupe:
The base price of the all-wheel-drive 2010 Ford Taurus SHO is $37,995. Our test car carried $7,480 in options for an as-tested total of $45,475. Gulp.
Going with the numbers, the Taurus will hardly out-accelerate a Genesis. The Taurus reaches max hp at 6251 rpm and max torque at 4501 rpm, while the Genesis reaches max hp at 6000 rpm and max torque at 3500 rpm.
There's a reason why the '09 Taurus is selling cheaper than even Azeras...
Not quite sure what you mean by the '10 Taurus being a show car. If any Taurus is still a show car, it's the SHO model.
good point!
I've had my Genesis for a little over 3 months now and I can't wait for you to get it too. You're going to love it!
FYI, I'm in awe with my car. I am in sales and have been for 25 years and I've been working on the road for 25yrs. This is by far the BEST car I have EVER driven...period! I now have 10,000KM on her already and always look forward to getting in to just drive it!
You'll be amazed at how many people look at the car and if they're close will actually compliment you on it.
It actually sickens me how much I love this car.
trust me you'll enjoy it to death! IT IS a great car!
Regards,
BTW, 2010 Genesis Sedan will be here 4th quarter of 2009, if they get rid of the 09's.
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I agree with much of your comparison between the Genesis and the Avalon as it relates to comfort, roominess and isolating the road. However, I have exactly the opposite opinion when comparing the two V6 engines, and I too own both. The 3.5 Toyota engine is very "zoomy" and quick revving but it does all its "stuff" in that one single rush and does so with more "fuss" than the 3.8 Genesis engine. I give the Genesis much higher marks for sophistication and performance at higher speeds. Mated with the slick six-speed automatic, the Genesis is incredibly efficient at always selecting the right combination for real-world driving satisfaction. I do a lot of driving in the Blue Ridge Mountains and I really find the Genesis to be a great road car in a wide variety of conditions.
Don't get me wrong ... I think the Avalon is a great, comfortable sedan and it will probably last forever without serious issues. It definitely does not transmit every bump like the Genesis does.
In my previous posts, I have talked about the fact that I can't tell a lot of difference in real-world driving performance between the V6 and V8 Genesis models. I was hell bent on getting a V8 but went ahead with the V6 before the eight was available. When the first V8 arrived, the dealer wanted me to drive it. At very high speeds, the eight starts pulling away from the V6. In normal but spirited driving, the six is amazingly close! I crawled out of the V8 and decided that i was more than happy with my six banger. If you knew how many performace oriented cars I have owned, you would know how significant that was!
Incidentally, I have been posting an update every 5,000 miles or so. My last post was at 25K and I am now at 28K. Unless something unexpected happens, my next post will be focused on my search for the best replacement tires. Although I still had about 10,000 miles of tread remaining, I ruined one tire and decided to go ahead and replace all four. I wound up trying one brand but am now switching to a different brand for reasons that I will explain in my next update a few weeks from now.
I am curious to know if any of you other owners have stacked up this many miles and how similar your experience has been to mine.
The Genesis is a good car as is, but if they could bump the power a little on the V6 and tweak the suspension it could be an excellent car.
Hyundai should have the technology to bump up the V6.... The Tau 4.6 liter V8 produces 80 HP/Litre (368 total), so using that formula they should be able to bring the 3.8 engine up to 304 HP.
I agree with the earlier post though re why not use this technology to improve FE even more by keeping the output down? Surely there is a trade-off for power vs. FE at some point.
It begs the question as to whether Hyundai would ever go the hybrid route with the Genesis V6 sedan, using the lithium polymer batteries and other technologies they are developing for the Sonata et. al.
The Genesis engine is designed to be smooth and deliver nice power lower in the RPM range. The G37 needs 7000 RPM to deliver 330hp, and it's no smooth operator at that speed.
Hyundai could easily tweak the air/fuel ratios and cam/valve timing to bump the peak HP a few points. But, just like every other manufacturer, they'd just be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Right, quick revving and always "wanting" to be pushed hard even in a car not really meant for spirtited driving. I just don't get that from the Hyundai. Toyota's 3.5 is the probably the best V6 out there (especially in direct injected form). As for the transmission in the Genesis, its made by Toyota anyway. It suffers from the same crazy shift logic that is geared more toward fuel economy than anything else.
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I'm not a great fan of hybrids, not in their present form. I think they're gimmicky and false economy, but that's another subject.
I am hoping for a clean diesel option for the economy minded. A 5 or 6 cylinder turbo diesel would be plenty motivation for the Genesis, and would easily outlast the 10/100 warranty. I highly doubt a hybrid's expensive, consumable batteries and electronics could be covered by the 10/100.
I can see a Genesis TD with 6M, 6A, or 8A with FE near 30mpg with acceptable 0-60 times for most drivers.
Some of the magazine road tests have reported the Genesis 3.8's zero to sixty time at six seconds flat (Hyundai advertises 6.2 seconds). That is really hauling for a 3,750 pound car!
I agree that the Genesis ECM computer is tuned for mileage during easy, low-speed takeoffs from stoplights, etc.and it tends to shift at very low RPM's. I would prefer it to be a little less anxious to reach third gear for economy's sake. Once it reaches third gear, I like the shift pattern from there on.
If you want better shifting for more spirited driving, put it in manual mode and have a blast!!! :shades:
Shouldn't it... being a higher displacement? IMO the 3.8 is behind the times... heck Yota can get over 300 with their 3.5 and Nissan is getting 330 from the 3.7. Sorry, I'll never agree the 3.8 is a better engine than Toyota's 2GR, from a refinement standpoint anyway.
Oh and another slightly off topic thing about the 3.8 in my Genesis.... sounds like a freight train on startup. Its like the valves don't get oil for the first 10 seconds. Its not only me either...
Dry Startup Noise
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Zero, Jersey is ruler flat where I live.
In day to day driving I notice nothing at all better in the powertrain from my '06 Avalon. The six speed shifts very similar to the 5 speed (same logic I would assume) and on the highway neither car had to downshift to speed up a little.
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Don't know...look at the numbers for the Nissan 3.7. It's a higher displacement than the 3.5, but lower than the 3.8 and it requires 7000 rpm for max hp and 5200 rpm for max torque. There goes your theory...WAY out the window!!! The 3.7 has higher numbers than Toyota's 3.5.
Don't even know why folks are trying to compare the Toyota 3.5 to the Nissan 3.7 when Nissan employs the 3.5 in the Maxima. I mean...folks WANT to compare the Avalon to the G37, but the better comparison would be the Maxima.
Anyway...you don't have to agree about which is the better engine. However, you simply can't ignore that the 3.8 is pulling around a slightly heavier car, pushing more hp, reaches max hp & torque at lower rpms and the difference in overall fuel economy is only 2 mpg ...it would seem the 3.8 is the more refined engine. Folks just want to knock it because it doesn't snap your head back when you mash the gas pedal. I think programming has more to do with that than the power of the engine. 290 hp with 263 ft/lbs of torque is indeed more than enough to snap ones head back. How do I know...the 200 hp in-line 6 that was in my 86.5 Supra was able to snap your head back on hard take-offs.
As far as the start up issue...don't know what to say about that. They must've done something different between the 3.8 in the Azreas and the 3.8 in the Genesis because I certainly don't have that issue with my Azera. Start ups are smooth and quiet.
I'm no engine designer or claim to be... the only thing I know is that a larger displacement engine all things being equal should put out more power and tourque especially at lower RPM's. However, there is more to it than the scope of this forum thats for sure.
I mean...folks WANT to compare the Avalon to the G37, but the better comparison would be the Maxima.
I was comparing engines only not the cars themselves. If Toyota had put the direct injected 3.5 into the Avalon I probably wouldn't be driving a Genesis.
they must've done something different between the 3.8 in the Azreas and the 3.8 in the Genesis
Something has to be different, it makes slightly more power in the Genesis. Of course the power bump is so slight it could just be a different intake manifold or something.
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I'm no engine designer either.
I was comparing engines only not the cars themselves. If Toyota had put the direct injected 3.5 into the Avalon I probably wouldn't be driving a Genesis.
Actually, depending on the application you do have to talk about the cars because the usage of the Toyota 3.5 in the Avalon isn't the same as the 3.5 in the ES350...notice the bump up in hp from 268 to 272 and the slight decrease in overall fuel economy? We won't even talk about the fact that the ES is almost 170 lbs lighter than the Genesis, but stepping to the 3.5 being used in the GS350...it's toting around a heavier car, slightly more hp than the Genesis, but the overall fuel economy is about the same. Only difference here is DI and the 6-speed tranny.
If Toyota employed the same usage in the Avalon, do you really thing folks would want to buy the ES or GS350??? So once again, mechanically speaking...the Avalon better compares with the Maxima & Azera.
As far as my comment in something being different between the two 3.8's, it was meant more towards the design aspect of it. They did something different in how the oil is maintained in the engine as the Azera doesn't have that dry start issue that the Genesis has. I wasn't referring the power bump...it would take more than an intake manifold to bump the hp up 27 hp.
Actually the only difference between the Av and ES is that the ES requires premium fuel. The Avalon doesn',t but suggests that "for enhanced performance" to use premuim fuel. That is what makes for the slight bump in HP. Now if your talking the IS350 that is the direct injected version.
They did something different in how the oil is maintained in the engine
I think you may be right. Is the oil filter on top of the engine in the Azera? I found that odd in the Genesis.
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Well...that actually makes it worse. You benefit from a few more ponies under the hood with premium fuel, but you take a hit in fuel economy. That's gotta suck!!! That should go to point out that without DI...the 3.5 isn't as great as compared to the 3.8...even on premium fuel.
Is the oil filter on top of the engine in the Azera?
Yes...absolutely. You simply remove the engine shroud (6 bolts) and the oil filter cannister is right there for an easy change.