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Your guess about the Equus price also seems more realistic than mine. According to Wikipedia (FWIW), the Genesis sells for the equivalent of about $57,000 US in Korea. The Equus sells for about $96,000. So if the ratio stays the same, that would make the Equus start at about $54,000.
Let's just hope that they remove the tacky hood ornament before they send it here... :P
You have got to be kidding. Maybe Toyota should dump the Corolla, Honda the Civic, Ford the Focus, Nissan the Sentra, VW the Jetta etc. also? :confuse:
There is room for both the Genesis and Equus in Hyundai's lineup, just as there's room for the GS and LS in Lexus'. They are far enough apart in price and design to attract different buyers.
10-4 I don't think it would fly in the USA.
By the way, anybody see the new reliability rankings? Elantra is one of the top cars on the road in initial quality, regardless of class. Seems to me the marketability of that claim would make this a particularly silly time to deep-six it.
And CR's #1 compact!
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Wow, I had no idea there was so much love for the Elantra! :surprise: Actually, I didn't realize that the Elantra was Hyundai's Corolla. I was thinking Accent = Corolla/Civic and Sonata = Camry/Accord. I forgot that the Corolla and Civic moved upmarket a few years ago to make room for the Fit and Echo. My bad.
"There is room for both the Genesis and Equus in Hyundai's lineup, just as there's room for the GS and LS in Lexus'. They are far enough apart in price and design to attract different buyers."
I never said there wasn't room for both. I agree with you.
Hyundai Elantra Earns Highest Initial Quality Ranking in its Segment
Dubai , UAE - June 29, 2009:
J.D. Power and Associates announced today that Hyundai is the highest ranked non-premium nameplate in the 2009 Initial Quality StudySM (IQS) and is ranked fourth among all nameplates. Hyundai owners had fewer problems with their vehicles than any other non-premium car or truck brand.
In addition to Hyundai’s strong overall showing, the Hyundai Elantra earned the award for the highest initial quality in the compact car segment. The all-new Hyundai Genesis significantly outperforms the average midsize premium car.
This year’s ranking marks the second time Hyundai has been the highest-ranked non-premium nameplate in the last four years, and the second time it finished among the top four overall nameplates, having also achieved these levels in 2006. Highlights this year include a top ranking for the Hyundai Elantra in the compact segment, and a top three segment performance for the Hyundai Accent, which ranked second in the highly competitive sub-compact car segment.
The IQS study measures 228 attributes, including the overall driving experience, engine and transmission, and a broad range of defect and design problems reported by vehicle owners.
“Outperforming all of our competitors once again is a reflection of the dedication of all Hyundai team members,” said John Krafcik, Hyundai's President and CEO.
“We’re particularly delighted with the strong launch of Genesis, the North American Car of the Year, which surpassed several luxury competitors. We are also thrilled with how well the fuel-efficient Elantra and Accent scored.”
Hyundai Motor America, headquartered in Fountain Valley, Calif. is a subsidiary of Hyundai Motor Company of Korea. Hyundai cars and sport utility vehicles are distributed throughout the United States by Hyundai Motor America and are sold and serviced by more than 790 Hyundai dealerships nationwide.
Might also try Autotrader and cars.com.
"10,012 Miles It would do Hyundai good to tear apart an XF [Jaguar] and examine its springs, dampers, and other suspension bits in detail says executive editor Joe DiMatio."
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Nope, Ann Arbor, MI
But unfortunately, we are all stuck with what we can buy and afford so until things change, I will keep getting my used cars Kansas city.
"10,012 Miles It would do Hyundai good to tear apart an XF [Jaguar] and examine its springs, dampers, and other suspension bits in detail says executive editor Joe DiMatio."
Interesting. Now could you please put it in context and tell us what led to that comment? And maybe what the entire article was like? :confuse:
By the way, the one photo in the article was taken on the top level of a parking structure the architectural firm I work for designed, 150 Michigan Ave. in Detroit.
"And contrary to many other opinions here, I thought the ride quality was pretty good over the broken pavement".
"Is it sad that I prefer spending time behind the wheel of our Genesis 4.6 more than I do our 750Li? People can't believe I'd think such a thing, but I can't get over the artificial feel of the BMW, which is supposed to be a "driving machine."
Judging by the many positive quotes, I think the Automobile Magazine staff is impressed. The third comment is stunning.
Judging by the many positive quotes, I think the Automobile Magazine staff is impressed. The third comment is stunning.
I don't know what he was expecting. It should be more fun to pilot a sport sedan than a land barge. Somewhat akin to saying I prefer the feel of the Mustang to the Town Car...
Are you really sure about that statement Captain???
The Avalon is shown to run 0-60 anywhere from high 6's to low 7's and the Genesis 3.8 is shown to run low to mid 6's. How does that equate to blowing the doors off anything Hyundai makes??? Heck, even the Azera is hitting low to mid 7's 0-60 my friend. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...what exactly is YOUR definition of "blows away"??? :confuse:
Actually marvinlee1...the concept of the Equus is much older than that of the Genesis, here's an entry on Wikipedia that shows the Equus getting its start as early as 1999: Wikipedia: Hyundai Equus
According to Wikipedia info. concept for the Genesis began in 2003 and the actual concept vehicle was introduced in 2007.
Remember back in 2002 when they dropped the HCD-7...it was given the Equus name.
Hyundai HCD-7 Equus Concept
In all honesty...the HCD-7 is the one they should have moved forward with. The styling would have given them a very unique character on the road, even if it does look like a Bentley from the rear. This was one sweet design I was sad to see them pass on.
Which makes sense, considering it's a very similar engine to the Genesis 3.8 in a car that weighs less.
I don't know what he was expecting. It should be more fun to pilot a sport sedan than a land barge. Somewhat akin to saying I prefer the feel of the Mustang to the Town Car...
Not so fast, lilengineerboy. The numbers don't lie. Even the long-wheelbase Li version of the 750 is less than 10 inches longer than the Genesis 4.6, and weighs only 305 pounds more. That's not enough difference to hang any heavy excuses on.
One other number needs mentioning here, too: the BMW's BASE price of $84,200, which is more than twice the $42,000 tab for a Genesis with the full boat of options. That amount of money is supposed to buy you the exotic materials and sophisticated engineering to free you from compromises such as "boat-like" road manners.
One thing is for sure: if history is any guide, the extra money certainly doesn't buy you greater reliability. Other than the Hyundai's regrettable fake wood, in fact, I'm not sure just what great dimension of superiority there is.
The Genesis is almost as fast and handles almost as well as a Bentley Continental Flying Spur - and the Bentley costs $240,000! The Bentley also gets horrible gas mileage and isn't as reliable.
Other than the real wood trim, I can't see any reason to spend the extra $200,000 for the Bentley. The Genesis is, in many ways, a better car!
But your statement clearly issustrates diminishing returns in ever more expensive cars.
A $30K car should be much better than a $15K car, and it is. An $80K car should be much better in many ways than a $40K car, but it isn't. Somewhere, there is a magic price range where extra quality and features for your dollar start falling off rapidly. I think it's somewhere between $30 and $40K.
7224 miles: Question of the month: Hyundai Genesis or Jaguar XF? "Call me crazy, but I'd sooner plop down my own money for a Genesis than an XF," says Floraday. "The Genesis doesn't ride or handle as well, but it's been bulletproof and costs half as much."
This and the quote referenced by "bob" are the only updates to Automobile's long term test this month. Hardly something to either cause condemnation or praise to be heaped on the Genesis.
A Subaru WRX STI can hit 60 in 4.8. Of course it's not a large sedan, but can go where all of these other boats can't. Performance is just one measure of a cars worth.
No way to really tell what the top speed on the Genesis is, because it's electronically limited to 149 mph (which my Azera is capable of getting close to that...around 145 I believe). The 750i is limited to 155 mph...again, another difference I can save $40k+ and live with. I'm sure if the limiter were removed, it (the Genesis) would probably be capable of running between 175-190, considering it has more than 100 hp more than my Azera.
Genesis 4.6
There are features that you can get on the 7-Series that Hyundai hasn't even considered to this point. Night Vision w/ Pedestrian Recognition, HUD, Lane Departure Warning System, Active 4 Wheel Steering...
I know Hyundais sold in the ROK have features not available on US-spec cars. For example, the Gen 4 Sonata has an active geometry control system available in the ROK. So I wonder what toys come on the Genesis elsewhere but not here?
You're right, it seems the hometown versions of the vehicles get features & "toys" we aren't privvy to here on this side of the pond.
I agree completely. $30K seems to be the magic number.
No, regrettably I'm referring to the fake wood in the Genesis. Personally, I think it's kind of tacky.
At least there isn't that much of it on the Premium package on up models. I do agree that on the base model the "wood" on the dash is a bit much
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I was thinking about other "large" entry-level luxury cars like the Avalon and Taurus. Well equipped models, like the Genesis, start at about $32,000.
In terms of American car lines, I think Buick might be the only name that makes a car that competes in terms of price, size, and "entry-level luxury" with the Genesis. Granted, the performance specs don't come close, but if we have to find one to compare, that would be it. Nothing made by Caddy or Lincoln provides the size-to-price ratio to truly be in the same class.
The Azera, in size, price, and features, is more a family sedan than an entry-luxury sedan. I admit the lines blur as the family sedan class keeps growing in size and luxury, but if you look at the specs, the Azera is more similar to the Accord and Camry in price, size, etc.
The Genesis has much more in common with the Avalon, Taurus, and yes, Buick Lucerne.
I'm guessing the Lucerne is larger?
And to keep things on course, one obvious advantage the Genesis has over these other cars is RWD (though admittedly, I don't think it makes any (performance) difference in this segment).
A RWD platform with no AWD option makes it very hard for me to be comfortable with this vehicle for my own purposes. I will tell you though, if I've ever considered taking a leap of faith and taking my chances, it's on this car.
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Any info on a rebate? The dealer told me there was no such animal. I paid $37000 for a 6 cyl model with the tech package and all the available options. Did I get ripped?
You did fine. The $1000 rebate was for leasing only (at least for May and June) I haven't read what July's promo is.
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How do you figure.... V6 Tech MSRP is 40K, he paid 37K. He didn't steal it, but didn't get ripped either.
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