Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

12324262829117

Comments

  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    The specs look great. 212-223hp Turbo 4, 306-310hp V6; IRS, LSD, Brembo, four-piston, etc. Weight is on par with the 'Stang, lighter than G37.

    A drive will determine its place in the market but from those live reveals with the burning rubbers, this looks promising!!
  • air_scoopsair_scoops Member Posts: 10
    Any chance the Genesis Coupe will hit the dealers in the U.S. sometime end of this year?
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Doubt it...probably hit some time next year.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Air scoops you say??? Well...clearly, lookin at the pics of the concept version and the production version....the only differences are:

    Removal of the vents in the hood (looks cool, but more of an aftermarket addition)
    the upper, center grille...is pretty much still the same size.

    If you look closely, the lower grilles aer pretty much the same size with the exception of the fog lights on the production model, but if you look at the concept version...there is trim that almost equals the amount of space taken up by the fog lights.

    Lastly...the rear brake vents located at the rear qtr panel. Extremely cool...yes, necessary...no. Again...a nice aftermarket addition since you would only need to worry about additional brake cooling if you're gonna make this a track car and actually race it.

    As far as the back goes...it pretty much looks the same except for the lacking spoiler, which I'm sure one would be offered when production actually takes place.

    One nice thing would if Hyundai offered a GT version where one could order the Genesis coupe decked out with the carbon fiber pieces as seen on the concept vehicle. I think that would be a HUGE hit!!!

    The lines of the car still remain the same on the upper portion (the sides), but with the removal of the rear brake vent, the lower lines change slightly. I also think the color difference makes a huge difference. Not to mention how it was photographed. The orange concept version capitalizes on shadows to accentuate the creases and lines on the car in an indoor setting. The silver production version...well, the creases and lines are lost in the lighter color and also being photographed outside. Also, the two tone of the black carbon fiber against the orange lends itself to a more aggressive look as well. In short, the concept almost ALWAYS looks better than the actual production model. ;)

    image

    image

    image

    image
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Thanks for the repost. MUCH better! :shades:
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    :blush: My bad on the initial posting.
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    I found the following post elsewhere on the internet. The poster is Korean/American and found the article on Yahoo Korea. The poster is highlighting in English from the article published in Korean.

    According to the article, Hyundai already got advance contracts for 15,000 + unit pre-orders for Genesis in Korea, and so far Hyundai delivered only 434 units to buyers in January and 2,809 units in February. (March sales figure not yet announced)
    Hyundai says still 9,000 + customers are on the waiting list who have been waiting more than 3 months and Hyundai just mailed "apology letter" to the frustrated customers by promising prompt delivery.

    The causes of delay of the production are , according to Hyundai Motor president , there was shortage of Lexicon Audios that goes into DIS(driver information system). Hyundai anticipated that about 30~40 % of the potential customers would choose the premium option, and they initially had ordered far less audio system from German supplier. However, it turned out more than 80% of Genesis buyers all wanted this audios and this unexpected demand has caused production delay from factory.

    Another cause of delay was frequent "learn by mistake" problems surrounding assembly workers in the factory at early stage. The article says besides new measures for strict quality control process enforced for Genesis, assembly workers had trouble learning new technique and skills to adjust to the introduction of new "state of the art" Genesis assembly line.

    But most of the material supply and technology issue gone away, Hyundai plans to produce 3,000 units per month in April and 5,000 units per month from May to the rest of the year.

    Hope this article serves well for those who are waiting to buy Genesis in States.
  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    And what is the credibility of this article the poster kept mentioning? Also, a lot of things in the translation don't make sense - for one, it's no longer called pre-order after the product becomes available.

    This is what I know and comes from Hyundai - thru. February, the company has sold just under 13K units of the Genesis in the first 7 weeks of availablilty (S. Korean market). I am not saying the source is incorrect, but I will wait for published reports to confirm if this was/is the case. As they say, don't believe everything you read (on the internet) :shades:
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    I wasn't going for quality of pics, I was posting to point out the similarities/differences between the concept and production version of the Genesis Coupe.

    Jagginess??? :confuse: Maybe jaggEDness

    At any rate, my point was obviously made if all you can talk about is the "quality" of the pics that were posted.

    Also...when you use an Emotorcon such as ;) there's no need to explain what it is...obviously, it's winking. :P

    Who said anything about this beign MY thread? I'm merely a contributor here.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Not knowing when it was available over there in Korea and not knowing the date of that article that was posted...it's possible at the time it was written, the Genesis wasn't yet available.

    From the sounds of it, Hyundai is having the same problem Saturn had with the Sky. I really hope the same problem doesn't happen over on this side of the pond. Then again, maybe that's why the Genesis didn't roll out as early as initially anticipated. The push back could be due to the obvious lag in production.
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    Re 1309: I don't read or speak Korean, "joe97". Maybe you do and can enlighten us all. Here is the link to the Yahoo Korean article.

    http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/shellview.htm?linkid=12&articleid=20080318- 20443342019&newssetid=82
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    For giggles, I tried doing a translation using Microsoft word. I'm sure if I sat and really read through it...I could get the gist of what is being said, but WHOA!!! :confuse:
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    I think the point is Hyundai has screwed up the Genesis launch in their own home market. If they weren't ready for Korea, their assembly line now must look like a fire drill trying to get product to the US with the reasonable expectation of initial quality assurance.

    Now, about those Super Bowl spots and other recent marketing efforts... ;)
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Concerning the Genesis...the Super Bowl ads were the only ones pertaining to that car. Hyundai has stepped up on the other makes...interestingly enough...still not too much when it comes to the Azera though. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    IMO, a real screw-up would have been to go ahead and ship cars without resolving quality issues. The fact that Hyundai is on top of quality and isn't letting cars go out until the quality is there is a plus I think, not a negative. Better to delay shipments of the early cars then to have quality problems with them that could taint the car for a long time.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Who is saying that the cars are having quality issues?

    Like I said earlier, with this extended delay of the Genesis actually showing up...it better be all they say it is or else they will still end up with egg on their face. Please, don't take this as me being against Hyundai...I'm pulling for them and hoping that the Genesis is all they claim it to be, if not more. I would love to see a few folks eat a little crow personally. ;)
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    The earlier post (translation) stated that Hyundai was having some trouble implementing its quality controls (probably stricter than any they have used before) on the Genesis assembly line. That was the "quality issue" I was talking about. If not fixed, it would most likely lead to quality problems in the cars themselves. That's why I'm glad Hyundai is slowing down shipments to work out their quality controls on the line.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Okay, so it's not necessarily quality issues with the cars themselves, but rather the controls to make sure there are no quality issues with the cars.

    Slowing down shipments??? More like rescheduling them completely! A 6-8 month delay can be costly when it comes to their credibility though. So they have put themselves in a position that this car must be the feather in their cap (so to speak).
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Change your name form air_scoops to winkie_boy! You are late on this one, I already responded to that posting and understood what he said. Thank you very much.
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    So they have put themselves in a position that this car must be the feather in their cap (so to speak).

    They have 2 sedans now that are "feathers", Azera and the new Sonata.

    Beyond that, Genesis is oversold in Korea for a variety of reasons as per the Yahoo article link.

    Maybe Hyundai is setting up Genesis to sell by allocation in the US.
  • air_scoopsair_scoops Member Posts: 10
    Genesis Coupe seems okay. Still not liking the front end. But the rest of the car is quite nice. Too bad it's not coming out this year. I ain't got time to wait till next year. Genesis Sedan is nice, but it's a bit too rich for me.

    Looks like I'm gonna have to go back to Acura TL Type-S 6MT........
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    The Sonata...yes. The Azera...only for those that know about them. The problem with the Azera is that folks just don't know about it.

    All models that Hyundai makes goes through that over in Korea...that's homebase.

    What I mean by the Genesis needing to be the feather in the cap is that by prolonging its U.S. debut...there better be nothing wrong with it that critics can tear it down about. It needs to be the best car Hyundai has ever brought over here in terms of build quality, ride quality and perceived quality...it pretty much needs to be perfect at this point.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    See...now THAT's a posting I can respect! ;)

    Depending on what you want from the Genesis sedan...pricing for the 3.8 V-6 version would be highly competitive with the Acura TL Type-S.
  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    You assumed I know Korean? I wouldn't even know where to begin :)

    I am not Korean.

    The article doesn't make sense because sales are generally not reported until delivery takes place.

    Please have whoever posted this validate the source. Hyundai sold just under 13K units from second week of January to end of February - that's a FACT.
  • carcrazy11carcrazy11 Member Posts: 7
    Here is direct translation.

    By the mid march, Hyundai sold 15000 cars but they delivered only 434 in Jan. and 2809 in Feb.
    Some customers have to wait for 2~3 months to get theirs.
    The CEO of Hyundai Korea Motors, Jaekook Choi have already sent letters to those customers to apologize the delay and ask patience.

    Hyundai initially expected that only 30~40% of customers would choose Lexicon Audio & Driver Integrate (Infomation ??) System (DIS) but it turned out to be that %80+ of customers chose the option. To ease supply shortage, Hyundai quickly made another contract with Harmann Becker to increase the supply.

    Hyundai adoped a new advanced painting system for better surface treatment (glossy look), but some workers were not familiar with those new tech, which caused quality control issues, and subsequently the delay of delivery.

    The Hyundai CEO, MongKoo Jung, have already realized the seriousness of the delay problem. Then he visited the 5th Ulsan factory (Ulsan, South Korea) on March 17th and asked help from the staff and line workers to do their best to keep up the demand while maintaining the superb quality.
  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    Very very competitive. In all likelihood, you'd load a 3.8L V6 Genesis and still come well under a Acura TL-S, even the V8 Genesis you may load up and come under or on par with the base TL-S.

    The Acura TL-S starts north of 38K IIRC. Nice car (used to own a TL) but given the choice, let me have the RWD, bigger car, with the V8, for about the same (or less) $$$
  • readyformyrlreadyformyrl Member Posts: 70
    It was disappointing not to be able to get into the Genesis at the NY Auto show.

    But, it was more disappointing to hear that they would be in dealers as late as August from the Hyundai spokesperson. Has anyone received any real clarity about production and delivery dates in the US?
  • hemorsehemorse Member Posts: 34
    My local dealer said June. A friend went to the Ft. Lauderdale auto-show Thursday, and sat in a fully loaded Genesis before the crowds arrived. They told him, August. NY auto show is now saying August. The local newspapers in Asheville, NC did a huge story on the vehcile and ended with "mid-summer" availability. This is a problem for me! My current lease ends May 31st (BMW 750LI). I could rent for a few months or get a vehicle from the dealers used car lot, or, just go ahead and get my second choice vehicle, a fully loaded Murano LE which is available now. I only lease for two years, but I am first on the waiting list for the Genesis, yet there are no "real" prices yet upon which to base a decision! They created the hype a little too far in front of delivery. :mad:
  • toyetoye Member Posts: 351
    The Genesis is featured at the Fort Lauderdale Auto Show and they allowed a couple of us at a time to get in it, even though it was on a platform. It better in person than the photos, Comfortable and spaceous. The front dash is luxurious. IT IS WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING THAT IT WILL COMPETE WITH LUXURY CARS THAT IS TWICE THE VALUE. The back seat is awsome and comfortable.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I saw some ads in my local paper (Twin Cities) yesterday regarding the Genesis sedan being availble for preview and test drives (!) in the next few days--yesterday at one dealer and early this week at another. I was pretty busy yesterday and that particular dealer was not close to me, so I couldn't run up and drive it. Don't know if I'll have a chance to do it this week either. But if this is being done in the Twin Cities, it's possible it is happening in other cities also. Maybe they are using the car that was shown at the Greater Twin Cities Auto Show earlier this month for these previews.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    You know...I looked up the Acura TL Type-S...starting out just north of $38K. If you get it loaded with various items like the body kit, 18" alloys, side window visors, carbon fiber trim on the interior...MSRP jumps to just under $45K. Okay...now let's look at performance...286 hp w/ 256 lbs torque, but...the TL Type-S w/manual tranny weighs in just over 3500 lbs.

    Now...the Genesis coupe in V-6 form will be running just over 300 hp, also have over 250 lbs of torque and even if it weighs 3600 lbs, should still out run the TL Type-S...for about $10K less. Oh yeah, not to mention...the TL's posted HP numbers are based on using premium fuel, so expect less when you fill it with regular gas.

    Heck, for that matter, the Genesis Sedan in 3.8 V-6 form will be better than the TL Type-S!!! Well, should I say...be more of a competitor in terms of what you get, however...hands down, the Genesis will win out when it comes to bang for buck as the 3.8 V-6 version shouldn't cost any more than about $35K as well. Once again...$10K less than the Acura. ;)
  • mnjaspermnjasper Member Posts: 21
    Sorry to jump in so late. The Genesis was on a pedestal at the Minneapolis Auto Show. But a customizer had one in a back room. Denny Hecker had one that was lightly customized with some weird big wheels and dark tint, but they let you sit in it. The interior was not customized at all and was fabulous. Then Morries Hyundai in suburban Minneapolis had it in the Minneapolis Startribune that they had one. So I went there last night after work. They had a "preproduction" model on their showroom floor. It was obviously a production model. Nothing "concept" about it. However, they told me that Hyundai had told them they had to quit giving test drives so they moved it inside the showroom. Salesmanager told me that they had taken it out and it was a great ride. Looked very good in person.
  • bigelmbigelm Member Posts: 995
    Well, just got back from the dealer and my 'contact' mentioned that the Genesis is expected by June but the V6 models. Hyundai will start delivering the V8 models and are expected to arrive at dealers by September. Let's see if this holds true or Hyundai makes this happen sooner rather than later. :sad:
  • carbuntcarbunt Member Posts: 40
    I made it to the Fort Lauderdale Auto Show this past Saturday, March 22nd and saw the Genesis there. It was on the turn table display and just has been posted, they were allowing people to take turns checking out the car. I learned from one of the product specialist there that this was a pre-production unit and that Hyundai was still fine tuning the North American version.

    Changes?
    She mentioned that they would be re-working the rear seating configuration, which presently seats two, to three seating. She said the changes were being made based on feedback Hyundai had received from prospective buyers. She also mentioned that there would be additional changes but declined to go into details or specifics.

    Impressions:

    My reaction to the car's exterior was Hyundai got this right. It has an impressive, if understated elegance. The interior is also impressive as well. This model had a dark interior. The detail stitching, not to mention the comfortable leather seating is a major plus. Surveying the high quality soft touch materials, the fit and finish of even this pre-production Genesis model shows how seriously dedicated Hyundai is on delivering on their claims of luxury.

    I played with the center control knob near the shifter and although the dash was not powered, I could detect incremental clicks as it was turned. Also more impressive was the gauge cluster, which is on par with any sedan from Lexus. Again fit and finish in the driver and passenger cockpit area was superb.

    There was a crowd building around the display when I eventually stepped out of the Genesis and a line of people were anxiously waiting to check the car out. I can say without hesitation that this car is generating the right buzz for Hyundai and depending on final pricing, packaging, etc, this maybe the marque star that will get more people talking about and seriously considering Hyundai than ever before.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,242
    Thanks for the detailed report, carbunt!

    (and it's Tony Banks' birthday today, so Genesis talk is en vogue :) )

    MODERATOR /ADMINISTRATOR
    Find me at kirstie_h@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.
    2015 Kia Soul, 2021 Subaru Forester (kirstie_h), 2024 GMC Sierra 1500 (mr. kirstie_h)
    Review your vehicle

  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    I would have to agree with your perceptions of the Genesis exterior. However, I'm a bit jealous that you got to examine the interior as I did not. :cry:

    However, as the car turned on the pedestal with it's doors open, I could tell (even from 1-15 feet away) that the interior was very nice. It was inviting, it made me want to sit in the car.

    I haven't even gotten to touch the Genesis yet and it' s already making me question doin the illogical move of trading in a paid for '06 Azera to take on a new car note! :blush: WILL it actually happen, I doubt it...my logical side always seems to win those arguments. Besides, I do love my Azera, but doggone it...the Genesis is awfully tempting!!!
  • gteach26gteach26 Member Posts: 576
    .. that this discussion is going on over the latest Hyundai!

    I hope this car is a home run, grand slam hit. This car has the potential to really shake things up. I hope this will be a 1989 LS400 sequel!

    On paper it sure looks like it may be....
  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    starting out just north of $38K. If you get it loaded with various items like the body kit, 18" alloys, side window visors, carbon fiber trim on the interior...MSRP jumps to just under $45K

    First of all, all the things that you mentioned like the body kit and window visors are NOT options but dealer add-ons. As matter of fact the TL-S has NO additional option because it comes loaded with the navi and carbon fiber trim. The true market value (what people are paying) for a TL-S according to Edmunds is $34,880. The MSRP is $39,140 and invoice is $36,016, all including destination charge).

    So no, the Genesis wouldn't be $10k less than the TL-S.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    That's funny, because if you go to the Acura website, you can build one and add everything I mentioned.

    Not sure which TL-S you're looking at, but the one I selected with tranny showed a TMV price of $36,114. Which puts it in line price-wise, but bang for buck...Genesis beats it out. The Coupe shouldn't go for more than $33-34K and the Sedan in 3.8 V-6 form shouldn't be over that as well...that being said...winner, Genesis! ;)
  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    Well, those are the dealer add-ons, but factory options from Acura. Put in zip code 90505 then you'll get the $34,880 TMV.

    Sure if a loaded 3.8 V6 Genesis has a MSRP of under $35k then it'll definitely win the best bang for the buck award. However, if I am a betting man I wouldn't bet on the Genesis to top TL-S performance wise. The straightline performance will be a crapshoot given that the less weight for TL-S but it'll definitely walk all over the Genesis at the turns and on curvy roads.
  • autokritikerautokritiker Member Posts: 65
    Base MSRP for the TL-S Automatic is $38,940, including destination. That price includes navigation. The reason Acura dealers are selling them around invoice, or a little below invoice, is that the TL has been mostly unchanged since 2004.

    Base MSRP for the Genesis 3.8L will be somewhere between $33,000 to $34,000, including destination. Add the navigation package, and the MSRP will be somewhere between $35,000 to $36,000, which is still about $3,000 to $4,000 less than the comparably-equipped TL-S. Also, Hyundai has a history of selling cars at invoice, or even a couple thousand below invoice, on a regular basis. I would guess that, while the Genesis is the new flagship and won't be selling at or below invoice for a while, there will at least be some smaller incentives that will take $1,000 or $1,500 off MSRP not too long after they show up at dealerships.

    As far as handling is concerned, nobody has done an official road test of the Genesis, so we can only guess at this point. With a 53/47 front/rear weight ratio, and the sophisticated suspension design, I wouldn't be surprised if it handles at least as well as the TL-S. We'll see in the next few months.
  • air_scoopsair_scoops Member Posts: 10
    Uh....

    The TL Type-S 6MT has superb handling. It mops bathroom, kitchen room, even the basement floor with the '07 G35 Sport and Lexus IS350 in the track. How in the hell Genesis Sedan could keep up with that *thing*........... The Genesis V8 weighs 4000 lbs flat. That's quite a weight yah. The suspension system on the Genesis is very good on paper, but I don't know how stiff the spring rate would be. The weight alone will have difficulty staying up with the Type-S 6MT in the tracks like Willow Springs International Raceway, or more sophiticated euro tracks like Silverstone, Donington Park, Oulton Park, Croft, Brands Hatch, or better KNOCKHILL.... there is no way in hell Genesis could keep up there ho ho.......... but then, you never know... maybe Genesis has something really special underneath that car.... That's rite, we haven't actually driven the Genesis yet. But I just don't think the Genesis Sedan is a track car...... :P

    Take a Genesis Coupe to compete with the TL Type-S 6MT.... The Type-S 6MT has even stiffer and more responsive handling than the AUTO version due to track tuned suspension from factory. The damn thing uses a solid, thick anti-roll bar it's crazy. Uh huh... yup uh huh yea yea I own one rite now, not the Type-S version but the regular version 6MT. There goes a ... wink! ;)

    Look at that sexy car..... it's HAWT!!

    image
    0-60: 5.5 sec. 0-100: 13.9 sec. Quarter mile: 14.1 sec@ 101 mph
    Top speed: 150 mph (governed)

    .
  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    Amen Brother!

    air_scoops, you took the words right out of my mouth. Whoever thinks that the Genesis would be able to hang with the TL-S need to read Road & Track's Japanese sports sedan comparison in the 02/07 issue.

    By the way, is that your TL-S? Looks sharp! Too bad you are not in Cali ;)
  • autokritikerautokritiker Member Posts: 65
    I'll bet handling would be a different story at a track, when pushing both cars to their threshold. The Genesis 3.8L weighs about 200 lbs more than the TL-S, and I'm sure the suspension in the Genesis is tuned more softly than the TL-S. In real world driving, though, I'm sure the Genesis will feel as composed and confident as the TL-S during "spirited" driving. The fact is, most sedan drivers have never gone to a track, and never will. The typical sedan driver thinks he's really "pushing the limits" when he pulls .60G around a corner, well below the grip limits of most midsize and large sedans.

    The Genesis is supposed to be more of a "poor man's M35 / M45 / GS350 / GS460;" a big, luxurious, fast sedan that also feels sporty in everyday driving. I think the Genesis will be very attractive to people who are looking for those qualities, but don't have $45,000 - $55,000 to spend on a car.
  • leovincecarguyleovincecarguy Member Posts: 4
    Air scoops:

    1st props. Assuming the car in the photo is yours definitely....sharp. A great looking car. . That said, I have to chip in a few thoughts as a "former" owner of an '04 TL, 6-speed, with the Brembo front brakes, and firmer factory suspension. Just for laughs, I tossed the OEM "summer" performance tires (bridgestones) for Pirelli PZero's when I owned it. The TL is pure bliss in a straight line and sweeping turns, but push it through tighter more "technical" back roads/track situations and the "limitations" are exposed. Acura nailed the engine/transmission part of the equation. The problem with the car is physics. FWD packaging in a car over say 3,300 lbs just compromises the handling versus a well sorted RWD car. Just can't put the power down effectively. Said differently, switch off the traction control and drive your car...especially in the rain with your foot down. That is why I got rid the TL. Great except for the hard core handling dynamics.

    While they are overpriced, that's why every "M" performance BMW is RWD. If you have not driven an M car, you have to. Watch the recent "test drive" of the '08 M3 V8 on a wet skidpad on Speedtv. I agree with all the "buzz" the Hyundai has the potential to do some major damage in the market place with the Genesis. I think we all have to "turn a wheel" in an actual production version before all the final determinations can be made. If it drives well enough and shows up at the right price point, put me down for a V8 version, skip the NAVI.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    I hate to burst your bubble, but...the Acura TL and or the Type-S variant are superb handling when compared to other FWD cars. As it's been stated, probably the best handling FWD vehicle to date. However...the fact that IS FWD, it's automatically at a disadvantage when compared to a RWD vehicle.

    I can't say for sure that the Genesis Sedan or Coupe will out handle a TL or TL-S, however...the fact that both are RWD give it an upper hand. Can't quite say on the Sedan, but the Coupe...I would think that Hyundai's intentions are to give it a sport tuned suspension which would be stiffer than that on the Sedan. That being said, the Coupe would probably be able to hold it's own quite nicely, especially against the TL-S.

    Will it be possible for the TL-S to out accelerate the Genesis...maybe, but don't hold your breath. I'm really, really interested in the Genesis dropping so that they can be offically tested to put all speculation to rest.
  • allmet33allmet33 Member Posts: 3,557
    Louis...the only thing I'll say is...don't sleep. Granted, the TL-S gets much praise for it's ability to handle as well as it does as a FWD sedan, but we're talking about pitting it against a RWD sport coupe with more power. The only thing that would really hold the Genesis back is weight, and right now...we don't have any speculative info on how heavy it may be. I would hate to see it tip the scales at anything over what the G37 weighs. However, the TL isn't exactly light either, at just over 3500 lbs...if the Genesis coupe comes in around the same weight, the TL wouldn't stand a chance. I say this because we're talking about two cars that weigh about the same, but...one with more power, about the same amount of torque, all coupled with RWD. I hate to say it, but I would put my money on the Genesis Coupe...IF...by chance it should weigh in close to what the TL-S weighs.
  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    Granted, the TL-S gets much praise for it's ability to handle as well as it does as a FWD sedan, but we're talking about pitting it against a RWD sport coupe with more power.

    Apparently you didn't read my last post, like I said, in R&T's comparison the TL-S held its own against other RWD Japanese sports sedans like the G35 and IS350. Are you telling me that the Genesis would perform better than those two? Of course there is a possibility but given the size, weight and horsepower I wouldn't bet my money on it.

    By the way, I wasn't comparing about the Genesis Coupe since last I checked, it has only 2 doors?
  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    however...the fact that both are RWD give it an upper hand.

    The CV/GM/TC are RWD, do they have the upper hand on TL-S? The STS (non-V) is RWD, does it have the upper hand on TL-S? The Charger/300 are RWD, do they have the upper hand on TL-S? I could go on and on and on...
Sign In or Register to comment.

Your Privacy

By accessing this website, you acknowledge that Edmunds and its third party business partners may use cookies, pixels, and similar technologies to collect information about you and your interactions with the website as described in our Privacy Statement, and you agree that your use of the website is subject to our Visitor Agreement.