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A drive will determine its place in the market but from those live reveals with the burning rubbers, this looks promising!!
Removal of the vents in the hood (looks cool, but more of an aftermarket addition)
the upper, center grille...is pretty much still the same size.
If you look closely, the lower grilles aer pretty much the same size with the exception of the fog lights on the production model, but if you look at the concept version...there is trim that almost equals the amount of space taken up by the fog lights.
Lastly...the rear brake vents located at the rear qtr panel. Extremely cool...yes, necessary...no. Again...a nice aftermarket addition since you would only need to worry about additional brake cooling if you're gonna make this a track car and actually race it.
As far as the back goes...it pretty much looks the same except for the lacking spoiler, which I'm sure one would be offered when production actually takes place.
One nice thing would if Hyundai offered a GT version where one could order the Genesis coupe decked out with the carbon fiber pieces as seen on the concept vehicle. I think that would be a HUGE hit!!!
The lines of the car still remain the same on the upper portion (the sides), but with the removal of the rear brake vent, the lower lines change slightly. I also think the color difference makes a huge difference. Not to mention how it was photographed. The orange concept version capitalizes on shadows to accentuate the creases and lines on the car in an indoor setting. The silver production version...well, the creases and lines are lost in the lighter color and also being photographed outside. Also, the two tone of the black carbon fiber against the orange lends itself to a more aggressive look as well. In short, the concept almost ALWAYS looks better than the actual production model.
According to the article, Hyundai already got advance contracts for 15,000 + unit pre-orders for Genesis in Korea, and so far Hyundai delivered only 434 units to buyers in January and 2,809 units in February. (March sales figure not yet announced)
Hyundai says still 9,000 + customers are on the waiting list who have been waiting more than 3 months and Hyundai just mailed "apology letter" to the frustrated customers by promising prompt delivery.
The causes of delay of the production are , according to Hyundai Motor president , there was shortage of Lexicon Audios that goes into DIS(driver information system). Hyundai anticipated that about 30~40 % of the potential customers would choose the premium option, and they initially had ordered far less audio system from German supplier. However, it turned out more than 80% of Genesis buyers all wanted this audios and this unexpected demand has caused production delay from factory.
Another cause of delay was frequent "learn by mistake" problems surrounding assembly workers in the factory at early stage. The article says besides new measures for strict quality control process enforced for Genesis, assembly workers had trouble learning new technique and skills to adjust to the introduction of new "state of the art" Genesis assembly line.
But most of the material supply and technology issue gone away, Hyundai plans to produce 3,000 units per month in April and 5,000 units per month from May to the rest of the year.
Hope this article serves well for those who are waiting to buy Genesis in States.
This is what I know and comes from Hyundai - thru. February, the company has sold just under 13K units of the Genesis in the first 7 weeks of availablilty (S. Korean market). I am not saying the source is incorrect, but I will wait for published reports to confirm if this was/is the case. As they say, don't believe everything you read (on the internet) :shades:
Jagginess??? :confuse: Maybe jaggEDness
At any rate, my point was obviously made if all you can talk about is the "quality" of the pics that were posted.
Also...when you use an Emotorcon such as
Who said anything about this beign MY thread? I'm merely a contributor here.
From the sounds of it, Hyundai is having the same problem Saturn had with the Sky. I really hope the same problem doesn't happen over on this side of the pond. Then again, maybe that's why the Genesis didn't roll out as early as initially anticipated. The push back could be due to the obvious lag in production.
http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/shellview.htm?linkid=12&articleid=20080318- 20443342019&newssetid=82
Now, about those Super Bowl spots and other recent marketing efforts...
Like I said earlier, with this extended delay of the Genesis actually showing up...it better be all they say it is or else they will still end up with egg on their face. Please, don't take this as me being against Hyundai...I'm pulling for them and hoping that the Genesis is all they claim it to be, if not more. I would love to see a few folks eat a little crow personally.
Slowing down shipments??? More like rescheduling them completely! A 6-8 month delay can be costly when it comes to their credibility though. So they have put themselves in a position that this car must be the feather in their cap (so to speak).
They have 2 sedans now that are "feathers", Azera and the new Sonata.
Beyond that, Genesis is oversold in Korea for a variety of reasons as per the Yahoo article link.
Maybe Hyundai is setting up Genesis to sell by allocation in the US.
Looks like I'm gonna have to go back to Acura TL Type-S 6MT........
All models that Hyundai makes goes through that over in Korea...that's homebase.
What I mean by the Genesis needing to be the feather in the cap is that by prolonging its U.S. debut...there better be nothing wrong with it that critics can tear it down about. It needs to be the best car Hyundai has ever brought over here in terms of build quality, ride quality and perceived quality...it pretty much needs to be perfect at this point.
Depending on what you want from the Genesis sedan...pricing for the 3.8 V-6 version would be highly competitive with the Acura TL Type-S.
I am not Korean.
The article doesn't make sense because sales are generally not reported until delivery takes place.
Please have whoever posted this validate the source. Hyundai sold just under 13K units from second week of January to end of February - that's a FACT.
By the mid march, Hyundai sold 15000 cars but they delivered only 434 in Jan. and 2809 in Feb.
Some customers have to wait for 2~3 months to get theirs.
The CEO of Hyundai Korea Motors, Jaekook Choi have already sent letters to those customers to apologize the delay and ask patience.
Hyundai initially expected that only 30~40% of customers would choose Lexicon Audio & Driver Integrate (Infomation ??) System (DIS) but it turned out to be that %80+ of customers chose the option. To ease supply shortage, Hyundai quickly made another contract with Harmann Becker to increase the supply.
Hyundai adoped a new advanced painting system for better surface treatment (glossy look), but some workers were not familiar with those new tech, which caused quality control issues, and subsequently the delay of delivery.
The Hyundai CEO, MongKoo Jung, have already realized the seriousness of the delay problem. Then he visited the 5th Ulsan factory (Ulsan, South Korea) on March 17th and asked help from the staff and line workers to do their best to keep up the demand while maintaining the superb quality.
The Acura TL-S starts north of 38K IIRC. Nice car (used to own a TL) but given the choice, let me have the RWD, bigger car, with the V8, for about the same (or less) $$$
But, it was more disappointing to hear that they would be in dealers as late as August from the Hyundai spokesperson. Has anyone received any real clarity about production and delivery dates in the US?
Now...the Genesis coupe in V-6 form will be running just over 300 hp, also have over 250 lbs of torque and even if it weighs 3600 lbs, should still out run the TL Type-S...for about $10K less. Oh yeah, not to mention...the TL's posted HP numbers are based on using premium fuel, so expect less when you fill it with regular gas.
Heck, for that matter, the Genesis Sedan in 3.8 V-6 form will be better than the TL Type-S!!! Well, should I say...be more of a competitor in terms of what you get, however...hands down, the Genesis will win out when it comes to bang for buck as the 3.8 V-6 version shouldn't cost any more than about $35K as well. Once again...$10K less than the Acura.
Changes?
She mentioned that they would be re-working the rear seating configuration, which presently seats two, to three seating. She said the changes were being made based on feedback Hyundai had received from prospective buyers. She also mentioned that there would be additional changes but declined to go into details or specifics.
Impressions:
My reaction to the car's exterior was Hyundai got this right. It has an impressive, if understated elegance. The interior is also impressive as well. This model had a dark interior. The detail stitching, not to mention the comfortable leather seating is a major plus. Surveying the high quality soft touch materials, the fit and finish of even this pre-production Genesis model shows how seriously dedicated Hyundai is on delivering on their claims of luxury.
I played with the center control knob near the shifter and although the dash was not powered, I could detect incremental clicks as it was turned. Also more impressive was the gauge cluster, which is on par with any sedan from Lexus. Again fit and finish in the driver and passenger cockpit area was superb.
There was a crowd building around the display when I eventually stepped out of the Genesis and a line of people were anxiously waiting to check the car out. I can say without hesitation that this car is generating the right buzz for Hyundai and depending on final pricing, packaging, etc, this maybe the marque star that will get more people talking about and seriously considering Hyundai than ever before.
(and it's Tony Banks' birthday today, so Genesis talk is en vogue
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However, as the car turned on the pedestal with it's doors open, I could tell (even from 1-15 feet away) that the interior was very nice. It was inviting, it made me want to sit in the car.
I haven't even gotten to touch the Genesis yet and it' s already making me question doin the illogical move of trading in a paid for '06 Azera to take on a new car note!
I hope this car is a home run, grand slam hit. This car has the potential to really shake things up. I hope this will be a 1989 LS400 sequel!
On paper it sure looks like it may be....
First of all, all the things that you mentioned like the body kit and window visors are NOT options but dealer add-ons. As matter of fact the TL-S has NO additional option because it comes loaded with the navi and carbon fiber trim. The true market value (what people are paying) for a TL-S according to Edmunds is $34,880. The MSRP is $39,140 and invoice is $36,016, all including destination charge).
So no, the Genesis wouldn't be $10k less than the TL-S.
Not sure which TL-S you're looking at, but the one I selected with tranny showed a TMV price of $36,114. Which puts it in line price-wise, but bang for buck...Genesis beats it out. The Coupe shouldn't go for more than $33-34K and the Sedan in 3.8 V-6 form shouldn't be over that as well...that being said...winner, Genesis!
Sure if a loaded 3.8 V6 Genesis has a MSRP of under $35k then it'll definitely win the best bang for the buck award. However, if I am a betting man I wouldn't bet on the Genesis to top TL-S performance wise. The straightline performance will be a crapshoot given that the less weight for TL-S but it'll definitely walk all over the Genesis at the turns and on curvy roads.
Base MSRP for the Genesis 3.8L will be somewhere between $33,000 to $34,000, including destination. Add the navigation package, and the MSRP will be somewhere between $35,000 to $36,000, which is still about $3,000 to $4,000 less than the comparably-equipped TL-S. Also, Hyundai has a history of selling cars at invoice, or even a couple thousand below invoice, on a regular basis. I would guess that, while the Genesis is the new flagship and won't be selling at or below invoice for a while, there will at least be some smaller incentives that will take $1,000 or $1,500 off MSRP not too long after they show up at dealerships.
As far as handling is concerned, nobody has done an official road test of the Genesis, so we can only guess at this point. With a 53/47 front/rear weight ratio, and the sophisticated suspension design, I wouldn't be surprised if it handles at least as well as the TL-S. We'll see in the next few months.
The TL Type-S 6MT has superb handling. It mops bathroom, kitchen room, even the basement floor with the '07 G35 Sport and Lexus IS350 in the track. How in the hell Genesis Sedan could keep up with that *thing*........... The Genesis V8 weighs 4000 lbs flat. That's quite a weight yah. The suspension system on the Genesis is very good on paper, but I don't know how stiff the spring rate would be. The weight alone will have difficulty staying up with the Type-S 6MT in the tracks like Willow Springs International Raceway, or more sophiticated euro tracks like Silverstone, Donington Park, Oulton Park, Croft, Brands Hatch, or better KNOCKHILL.... there is no way in hell Genesis could keep up there ho ho.......... but then, you never know... maybe Genesis has something really special underneath that car.... That's rite, we haven't actually driven the Genesis yet. But I just don't think the Genesis Sedan is a track car...... :P
Take a Genesis Coupe to compete with the TL Type-S 6MT.... The Type-S 6MT has even stiffer and more responsive handling than the AUTO version due to track tuned suspension from factory. The damn thing uses a solid, thick anti-roll bar it's crazy. Uh huh... yup uh huh yea yea I own one rite now, not the Type-S version but the regular version 6MT. There goes a ... wink!
Look at that sexy car..... it's HAWT!!
0-60: 5.5 sec. 0-100: 13.9 sec. Quarter mile: 14.1 sec@ 101 mph
Top speed: 150 mph (governed)
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air_scoops, you took the words right out of my mouth. Whoever thinks that the Genesis would be able to hang with the TL-S need to read Road & Track's Japanese sports sedan comparison in the 02/07 issue.
By the way, is that your TL-S? Looks sharp! Too bad you are not in Cali
The Genesis is supposed to be more of a "poor man's M35 / M45 / GS350 / GS460;" a big, luxurious, fast sedan that also feels sporty in everyday driving. I think the Genesis will be very attractive to people who are looking for those qualities, but don't have $45,000 - $55,000 to spend on a car.
1st props. Assuming the car in the photo is yours definitely....sharp. A great looking car. . That said, I have to chip in a few thoughts as a "former" owner of an '04 TL, 6-speed, with the Brembo front brakes, and firmer factory suspension. Just for laughs, I tossed the OEM "summer" performance tires (bridgestones) for Pirelli PZero's when I owned it. The TL is pure bliss in a straight line and sweeping turns, but push it through tighter more "technical" back roads/track situations and the "limitations" are exposed. Acura nailed the engine/transmission part of the equation. The problem with the car is physics. FWD packaging in a car over say 3,300 lbs just compromises the handling versus a well sorted RWD car. Just can't put the power down effectively. Said differently, switch off the traction control and drive your car...especially in the rain with your foot down. That is why I got rid the TL. Great except for the hard core handling dynamics.
While they are overpriced, that's why every "M" performance BMW is RWD. If you have not driven an M car, you have to. Watch the recent "test drive" of the '08 M3 V8 on a wet skidpad on Speedtv. I agree with all the "buzz" the Hyundai has the potential to do some major damage in the market place with the Genesis. I think we all have to "turn a wheel" in an actual production version before all the final determinations can be made. If it drives well enough and shows up at the right price point, put me down for a V8 version, skip the NAVI.
I can't say for sure that the Genesis Sedan or Coupe will out handle a TL or TL-S, however...the fact that both are RWD give it an upper hand. Can't quite say on the Sedan, but the Coupe...I would think that Hyundai's intentions are to give it a sport tuned suspension which would be stiffer than that on the Sedan. That being said, the Coupe would probably be able to hold it's own quite nicely, especially against the TL-S.
Will it be possible for the TL-S to out accelerate the Genesis...maybe, but don't hold your breath. I'm really, really interested in the Genesis dropping so that they can be offically tested to put all speculation to rest.
Apparently you didn't read my last post, like I said, in R&T's comparison the TL-S held its own against other RWD Japanese sports sedans like the G35 and IS350. Are you telling me that the Genesis would perform better than those two? Of course there is a possibility but given the size, weight and horsepower I wouldn't bet my money on it.
By the way, I wasn't comparing about the Genesis Coupe since last I checked, it has only 2 doors?
The CV/GM/TC are RWD, do they have the upper hand on TL-S? The STS (non-V) is RWD, does it have the upper hand on TL-S? The Charger/300 are RWD, do they have the upper hand on TL-S? I could go on and on and on...