Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

jeansyc

No. I do not...... Your guess is invalid. All I am asking for are specific, verifiable facts and information and not speculation, about each specific version of the Genesis. To the best of my limited knowledge, nobody has driven a Genesis in the USA except people working for or with Hyundai. If this is so, from where does all the posted knowledge come from????

Example of my question is: Do all versions of the Genesis Sedan have Adaptive (Smart) Cruise Control Standard? What else is Standard in each version; the 3.3, 3.8 and 4.8?

I personally have no real knowledge of anything about each specific version. Hyundai in all its online material does not provide the specific information I want.

My son was at the 2008 NY Auto Show. Hyundai did not have brochures available.

What is the big secret?

dborth

Over a year ago when the Genesis was announced at "starting" under 30K

Its a Hyundai / Genesis rope-a-dope. The Coupe will start under 30k.

jeansyc

Does anyone have list of vehicles with Adaptive Cruise control for 2008 and 2009?

Thanks

allthatblue

as i know, the dealer was told by hyundai korea executives about the price line. it's not just the dealer's opinion.

ok, it's not determined yet, but whatever they disucss, the price would be somewhere near 32K.

Kirstie_H

Frankly, that's a bit demanding. This is a discussion forum, located in our "future vehicles" section. It's a good place for people to speculate and talk about what they hope this vehicle will be like. Many times, it's impossible to find facts because they either don't exist, or are proprietary company info.

We're all just consumers - no one from Hyundai, to my knowledge, is posting in here.

dborth

no one from Hyundai, to my knowledge, is posting in here

Let alone observing in here.

bfriended

I don't work for Hyundai, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :-)

mnjasper

I don't have a list of cars with adaptive cruise. I've used it in an Infiniti M and Cadillac STS. I've seen it advertised by M/B and Lexus. In the STS it works great. I would really like it if I were to look at the Genesis. It appears that it will be packaged only in the most expensive packages ... if the speculation is correct.

jeansyc

Thanks for your response. The announced presence of Adaptive Cruise Control in the Genesis is one of the main reasons I became interested in the car. However, nowhere I look do I see that will be Standard across the 3 models.

If Advanced Cruise Control is Standard, then I will be interested in looking further when the Genesis is in the showroom.

For those who may wish to know, Lane Departure Warning from Mobileye is available for aftermarket installation, ONLY in MClean, VA or Toronto, Canada in the Eastern US and Eastern Canada.

veragen

I'm not sure if some viewers agree with this version, but to me Hyundai had a hot sizzlin design with Genesis concept-sedan that appeared at the 2007 NY auto-show compare to more so of a luxury production-sedan that is due out summer 2008. Now both designs concept and production are nice! But the facial to the rear of the production 2009 Genesis-sedan kind of mimic the Mercedes-Benz S class which MSRP range from: $86,000 to $194,000 (big price ouch! for me). I'm not saying the Genesis-S is much comparison to the Benz-S class they just look similar. So as far as quality, refinement and value I just leave that to auto experts. Meanwhile Hyundai should really consider the Genesis concept sport-sedan design to the production line. Genesis concept-SS has very unique design with head & taillights along with hood / front & back skirt. This concept design would definitely will run-up against Bimmer 5 series, Infiniti M's and Lexus GS series.

concept photos: Genesis-SS

http://es.autoblog.com/photos/hyundai-genesis-concept-2/451155/

http://es.autoblog.com/photos/hyundai-genesis-concept-2/451188/

http://es.autoblog.com/photos/hyundai-genesis-concept-2/451159/

http://es.autoblog.com/photos/hyundai-genesis-concept-2/451182/

production photos: Genesis-sedan

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-hyundai-genesis-sedan/566557/

veragen

Today most vehicles are standard or available option of leather-wrapped steering wheel along with convenience features such as radio, cruise and hands-free phone tabs. And some vehicles with leather-wrapped steering wheel maybe heated. For me starting and driving my car during early cold mornings and nights when the temperature 32.f or below the freezing point of winter season can be pretty harsh at times. But with heated leather-wrapped steering wheel and leather seats these is a wonderful convenience features to have. I maybe unsure when it the time comes to sale or trade my Infiniti and the cars I’m searching for do not have these heated-features. Does anyone know if this feature is available on Genesis-sedan?

gleen6191

Looks 99% like my 2007 fing M35x which is a beauty....

allmet33

My guess wasn't even a guess, I was being sarcastic. You want something that none of us can supply you with. The information we get comes from press releases that we see either in publication or snippets found on the internet on various web sites that deal with upcoming cars and such.

There is quite a bit of info that can be found on the Genesis if one really looks, the question really is...how accurate and valid is the information found. If you start seeing info that seems consistent you sorta stick with it until you see something that changes it.

Case in point...


How valid is this information...can't really tell you, but it's info that was found out on the net. As you notice, cruise control is listed under the 3.8 Standard Package (no mention of adaptive), but...as you go up in packages...it's not mentioned again. I would be left to assume that the cruise control on the 3.8 V-6 & 4.6 V-8 would be the adaptive cruise control. Could it be on the 3.3 V-6...sure it could, but there's nothing stating that it will be. With Hyundai stating the Genesis will start under $30K, I'll bet that the 3.3 V-6 model won't get it, among a few other things.

joe97

The base model (sedan) will start under 30K.

joe97

It's not.

The coupe could start under 20K for the tuner ready I4 turbo version. To get to 30K, you might need to load up every option, factory, port, or dealers.

joe97

More crap from autolies.com

For starters, 15 speaker Lexicon - what is that? :sick:

joe97

My son was at the 2008 NY Auto Show. Hyundai did not have brochures available.

No one had much to offer. Recall years ago, most show goers would come back from the auto show with a bag of goodies. Few far and between nowadays - almost nothing from most automakers in recent years.

FWIW, I believe Hyundai had brochures of its 2008 lineup out for takes, as do a few others. Most automakers didn't even have any info readily available.

As for the Genesis sedan, an introductory brochure should be arriving at US showrooms in a week. A more detailed one will become available in June.

allmet33

One thing I've found about Hyundai when it comes to their sound systems...the count coaxial speakers seperately. So...if you had a pair of coaxial speakers for the center channel, that's 4. Then...a pair of mids and tweets in the front doors, that's 4 more. Rear doors...same thing, that's another 4, then...the rear deck would house a pair of mid drivers and a sub...that's 3 more, for a grand total of 15 speakers my friend. Is it overkill...yeah, in my mind it is.

However, Lexicon is the creme de la creme when it comes to sound systems. It's only found in one other car and that's the Rolls Royce Phantom. Go figure, but since the Azera and Veracruz have Infinity as their top flight stereo systems, they turned to the same company (Harman-Becker) as Lexicon is under their umbrella as well.

allmet33

One thing you can find on the Hyundai web-site is that the Genesis doesn't have a heated steering wheel, however...while it may be leather wrapped, it's treated somehow to be reflective of heat so that even if the steering wheel is sitting in direct sunlight...it will not be hot to the touch when you jump in and grab the wheel.

Personally, I've never had an issue with a leather wrapped steering wheel being too cold, it's the ones with the faux wood on them that are a monster on those cold days.

Excuse me for my ignorance...what cars have heated steering wheels???

joe97

Well, a hyundai official pricing list (preli or final) would list the Lexicon having 17 speakers, and not 15...that's how you spot a fake

There was a few other things that didn't look right but the Lexicon was the biggest flaw.

allmet33

Something you speak of, but can't post something to show as proof? If 15 speakers are hard enough to get in, where would two more go my friend?

Unless you're a Hyundai rep or insider...you can't possibly be stating things as factual yourself.

What else on the option lists don't make sense?

gleen6191

BMWs

joe97

When has Hyundai ever said its Lexicon system in the Genesis has 15 speakers? It's been 17 since day one.

Other omissions,

disclaimers we've become used to
Hyundai logo
Info on the base trim
etc///

allmet33

Okay...missing 2 speakers doesn't make it that bad. I can understand if they had stated that the 3.8 V-6 was supposed to have 325 hp or something like that. Other than missing 2 speakers and not mentioning something about a base trim...can the information be that far off? The pricing...I believe is a bit off, but we'll have to see. As far as speculation on equipment...it's not going to be 100% accurate since Hyundai hasn't put out anything more than what's on their website. Considering that...the list on Auto Spies isn't too bad.

circlew

I was there also and did notice that. The brochures that were available were insignificant sales fliers.

I guess they acknowledge we are all in a recession.

Regards,
OW

allmet33

Care to tell me which models??? I've never seen heated steering wheel listed a feature.

allmet33

Funny...you mention the 3.3 V-6 being an omission, but if you visit the Hyundai USA website...there is no mention of the 3.3 on there either. So I guess Hyundai is omitting their own info, right?

Hyudani Genesis

Skip the intro, when the screen comes up , go to the upper right hand corner and click on "Specs" and then look where it says 'Engine and Transmission'.

joe97

You're right, it shouldn't be that much off, but IIRC, Autolies made it sound like this was official info sent in by someone named Genesis Typical autolies :sick:

I guess I've got more beef with autolies than anything

veragen

Infiniti I35 has heated leather-wrapped steering wheel and leather-all seats with different temperature settings. Reflective leather-wrapped steering wheel to prevent piping-hot steering wheel from direct sunlight, Mmmm! That pretty interesting. I think with today upscale cars & SUV's should temperature-control settings on steering wheels and transmission knob auto or manual.

VeraGen

joe97

Interesting...

The base trim (3.3) will be there, as far as I know.

allmet33

LOL Well...I never took it as an official options list, just something to go by. Something more to speculate until Hyundai decides to stop playing close to the vest and lay their cards down.

allmet33

Well...the 3.3 base model is one that has been talked about for quite a while now. Personally...it doesn't make sense to me. I would leave it out and just go with the 3.8 and the 4.6. If you want it for under $30K, then you get a base model with no frills. The MSRP for the 3.8 fully loaded may be around $35K, but...I can see folks paying around $32-33K for them. Fully loaded 4.6...MSRP may be around $40K, but...out the door may be more like $37-38K.

When the Azera first was coming out, they were talking about how it was the first $30K Hyundai, this, that and the other. I went in thinking $30K, but my out the door price was just under $27K and that was for the Limited w/Premium Package. The Ultimate Package was only $1500 more.

allmet33

Well...for anyone that lives in the south...it may not be something that makes sense. Up north where it can get frigid during the winter...it makes a lot of sense. Now, like I said before...with the leather wrapped steering wheel, I never had an issue with cold steering wheel, but when you have the likes of what is in the Azera....that fake wood section can be quite cold to the touch initially. Would a heated version be nice...sure, but...I simply grab the section that's leather and keep it moving.

I know the I30 was one of the few cars that offered heated rear seats...especially in it's price segment.

The other option...a pair of driving gloves!

jeansyc

I see and comprehend your case in point. I appreciate your detailed response. As a case in point from this 80 year young guy, "Assumptions are Fatal". Thus far, I am enamoured of the Genesis. This will be the last car I own if it lives up to my expectations. That is why I am so concerned with knowing the facts about the car.

Now that I have a better understanding about the forum from you and Kirsti, I will look at postings with a more educated eye.

Thank you again for your contributions.

allmet33

Assumptions can, indeed...be fatal, however...when it comes to speculation about a vehicle that hasn't been dropped yet...speculation is pretty much all you have. The facts as they are known...can be found on the Hyundai USA website.

The car itself is generating a lof of buzz and rightfully so. For the price that this car will be offered (in any trim level), it will be hard to beat from a value standpoint. The real question is...will the car be good enough to actually be respected. The Genesis has the potential to take Hyundai to a whole new level and it seems like they are positioned to run with it. It's sad because the Azera could have been the one to change everything if they had just gotten behind it like the Genesis.

Well...at least until more substantiative information is available, we can only state the known facts and speculate about the rest. Small details about what features will be available across the board is defintely a gray area as the Hyundai site doesn't list the 3 trims that are supposed to be available. One can speculate that it was an accidental omission, OR...maybe the idea to have the 3.3 V-6 in the Gensis was scrapped. I mean...outside of the 300/Charger...what other car offers 3 different powerplants in the same car??? I say leave the 3.3 as the Azera base trim powerplant and let the 3.8 be that in the Genesis base trim level. Just my opinion though.

By the way, if you should happen to hear anything...post it so we can have something more to talk about in here. I think we've beat the Sedan and Coupe in every way imaginable to this point. We are all simply waiting on test drives!!!!

jeansyc

Thanks again for your comprehensive postings. I do appreciate them.

As far as my posting information goes, I only have the Internet and my local dealer as sources. From a Salesperson at Hyundai of Nanuet, NY, literature on the Genesis may be in 30 to 60 days. Again, we are dealing with guesswork.

Since I have no intention of signing up for Indy, my 3 principal requisites in a car are Electronic Stability control, Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Departure Warning System. I know that the Genesis Sedan will not have Lane Departure Warning. However, as I stated previously, that will be available aftermarket. Incidentally, it is available to be installed in any vehicle.

allmet33

No problem.

Well...at this point, you have about as much as we seem to have. Personally, I'm curious about the Joe97 guy...he seems to be quite factual with his postings as if he knows something we don't know.

As far as the pre-requisites in your car shopping...I think you'll find more and more that will have the adaptive cruise control. The Avalon already has it and I think you can get it on the Camry as well. It has been said to be available on the Genesis, just not sure as to which trim level (s) it will be standard on or if it'll be an option or what. ESC is seemingly becoming and industry standard almost, it's showing up on a lot more cars these days. There are only a handful (if that many) that offer Lane Departure Warning. I do believe Cadillac is one company that offers is and I think Infiniti does as well (not 100% sure). However, the fact that it's available as an aftermarket option opens your choices to any car that comes with apaptive cruise and ESC.

louiswei

I don't work for Hyundai but I can answer your question with 100% confidence:

The adaptive cruise control will NOT be standard on all 3 models of Genesis.

joe97

And it shouldn't be.

joe97

Adaptive cruise control is available on the top trim (limited) version of the Avalon; not available on the Camry.

ESC/Traction Control - optional on both Avalon and Camry (gasoline models).

allmet33

I agree and understand why, however...I fail to see the logic of going with the 3.3 V-6 in the base trim. They can offer the 3.8 and still manage to sell the car for under $30K if that's their goal, just offer a stripped down version and go from there. I can hardly imagine there's a huge cost difference in producing the 3.3 vs. the 3.8 since they are both engines Hyundai already has and makes for other vehicles.

joe97

Exactly.

The availability of the 3.3L isn't that much of added costs to Hyundai; it does allow Hyundai, however, higher fuel economy touting and consumers will have more choices

allmet33

Will it actually be a higher FE touting, considering the 3.3 will be hauling a little more weight than it does in the Azera??? We might be talking 1 or 2 mpg difference...is that really worth a choice?

According to the data on Edmunds.com...the FE for the Azera with the 3.8 is 17/26, the numbers for the 3.3 variant is 18/26. I can't see that trend being any different for the Genesis. Again I ask...is it really worth it to put the 3.3 in the Genesis line-up? Personally...I think not.

allmet33

Yeah...I wasn't sure about the adaptive cruise on the Camry, thanks for clearing that one up.

Wow...ESC isn't standard on either!!! :surprise:

snakeweasel

FWIW I think that heated steering wheels have got to be the most useless accessories on a car. Has anyone ever had an issue with a steering wheel being to cold?

nvbanker

I agree- 3 least the steering wheels.

pat

Has anyone ever had an issue with a steering wheel being to cold?

Yes indeed!! I don't know where you live, but where I am is a relatively mild climate, but it does get below freezing on a regular basis. I used to leave home around 5:15 or 5:30 in the morning for a traffic-clogged 20-30 minute drive to work and in the winter would have given just about anything to have a heated steering wheel. Gloves notwithstanding!! :P

snakeweasel

Yes indeed!! I don't know where you live,

Chicago is the furthest south I ever spent a winter, so I am used to seeing sub zero days in winter (I actually thought spring would never come this year) and to be perfectly honest a cold steering wheel has never been an issue. If its that cold I usually keep my gloves on (yes you can drive with the things on) and by the time the interior gets warm enough to take them off the steering wheel is more than warm enough.

boltguy

I would bet that the 3.3L isn't going to be available in the North American market. Not much difference in fuel savings, plus too much overlap with the Sonata and Azera as far as engine size.

allmet33

Exactly!!! Which is probably why you don't see the 3.3 listed on the Hyundai USA website.