Love the way that straight line from under the A pillar curves down and then up again under the small C pillar window. Very distinctive. Improves rearward vision also. What a shame that a license plate will have to spoil that sensual rear. Maybe someday the states will let us design our own registration displays. Don't hold your breath.
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Dealers should be able to order them soon. The first allocations will be the 3.8L Lambda II v6. Each dealer will get either 2 or 3 Genesis'. Hope this helps.
Has anyone heard any thing else about Hyundai employing any of the current fuel saving devices that other auto makers are using; i.e. cylinder deactivation? Or maybe even offering a "hybrid-performance" engine option? I remember seeing some months back that the v8 would possibly be able to employ a turbo or super charger at the very least.
As far as VCM, after hearing the complaints regarding the new Accords, I'd rather not go that direction. Although this isn't all Accord owners, it leaves me with enough pause to wonder if the extra mile or two a gallon would be worth it.
LOL No and I am trying to figure out how to post the Genesis Packaging sheet but I only have Power Point Viewer and cannot Cut and Paste I guess I will have to wait until I get home. I am guessing if somebody really wants the car you should be able to order it, most of us know the car should not go over $40,000 but it is not official yet, we should be getting word on the official pricing in the next couple of days. I will post the Equipment list soon.
Well since the order process will take 45 day I do not expect to see it until late May or early June either, but at least we know that we are getting them. It does not seem like they will just have them sitting at the port, unless somebody else can verify this ? We'll probably will not have any trainning schedule until June.
I certainly wish you the best of luck. Personally, I'm a Hyundai fan and I truly do see the Genesis doing some great things for Hyundai's image, however...the dealerships can make or break the experience.
Thank you, I personally think that they should open up a separate division to sell these vehicles myself. I have personally been following up the development of these vehicle since 2005 and do know that a lot of people could be very disappointed with the dealership experience, but than again there are enough of us around that would make it a pleasant one I hope. Either way the level of equipment and we'll see the performance of the car, for the price, should make up somewhat the buying process itself.
Well, it's down to the G8 GT or the Genesis V8, which I would be more interested in getting. June-July is my target purchase so I hope it'll be exciting for me. I'm looking forward to the reviews...
That is the most probable comparison, although I think their personalities are very distinct one is more performance oriented(G8) and the other is more luxury oriented(Genesis). I hope you favor more this way so than you can write your own review on the car here. Paul www.cityworldhyundai.com
I mean...choosing between the two is like deciding to go to a basketball game or going to the opera.
A buddy of mine test drove the G8 GT yesterday (he has a Magnum R/T). He said the G8 was nice, but...it wasn't convincing enough to make him want to give up his Magnum. He said for all the hype generated, it doesn't take off like he expected it to, but it definitely has nice power. I his terms, it's not that raw power like his R/T.
However, the Genesis...that's gonna be the classy, pull up to the local tennis club type of car.
I know these two vehicles are 'tailored' differently, but my top reason of interest is its size. I need the space and I've already gone through 3 cars in 5 yrs because my son is growing like a weed. The next car I buy, I want to hold on to it for at least 4 years. I've already test drove the G8 GT and it's a well balanced, powerful performance car. Your friend's meaning of raw power probably comes from the fact that the engine is very smooth and the exhaust is silent, so you don't get the typical V8 growling; but that's nothing some aftermarket exhausts can't take care of... and some optional tuning
I'm very impressed with the Genesis (on paper) and I'm looking forward to some great reviews. The Genesis and G8 are very similar, if not, identical in size. If it's as roomy as the G8, then I'm more inclined to get a Genesis, especially with a rumored SC for the V8 :shades:
My wife has a 2007 SF and it's only had an O2 sensor replaced. Now with ~20k miles and trouble free, Hyundai is making some really good vehicles. Here's hoping the Genesis will be their successful halo car.
Well...I plan on going and getting a test ride in a G8 myself so I can see. Personally, I like the quite unassuming type of power. I guess my ownership of my 86 1/2 Supra back in the day spoiled me. I truly love the combination of power and grace my Azera has, so I know the Genesis will make me happy. On top of that, i lean more towards the look of luxury, so it would be a no brainer for me as to which one I would get.
Like you...I've changed cars too due to growing children and family expansion. My '02 Sonata hardly offered enough leg room for my daughters to sit behind me comfortably, but the Azera has taken care of that nicely. From what I've heard and seen, the Genesis won't have much more room than what the Azera offers already.
The Azera is my 3rd Hyundai (first being an '87 Excel)...yes, they have come so very far in terms of quality...like they jumped from the stone age to the computer age in one leap (okay, that's an exaggeration, but it seems like it).
From what I've heard and seen, the Genesis won't have much more room than what the Azera offers already
I hope that's not the case, but time will tell. I can't understand how a full size sedan like the Genesis would be similar in interior space as the Azera. That would be a big mistake for Hyundai. Although I can say, being 6'5" the space in the SF and other Hyundai vehicles I've sat in, are pretty decent in interior space. - I guess I'm expecting more from a larger vehicle. The G8's interior space is incredible. I put the driver sear all the way back (barely touching the pedals) and sat in the back seat and my legs weren't even close to the back of the driver seat. And very comfortable I might add....
Yeah...I got it for a steal for only $2K and LOVED it. Only problem is...it needed a little work that I never got to do and then the timing belt went on it. By then, having 2 kids really didn't warrant getting it fixed, so I sold it to my brother-in-law for $500 and he fixed it and drove it for a while. If I could ever have one car back...it would be that one.
I enjoy my current Azera, but getting the car in the first place was a total nightmare. The dealerships were horrendous. It took four dealerships and traveling to a different city in order to get my Azera. All I wanted was the advertised lease deal at the time. The first dealership negotiated the cap cost (about an hour) to a reasonable level, but then refused to give me the advertised money factor or residual. They told me that they didn't have to offer the advertised deal if they didn't want to and to leave if I don't like the deal ($500 a month lease vs. $299 advertised deal. I'm not making this up). I left.
The second dealership was in a nearby city. I made an appointment, got the address out of the phone book and went. The address took me to an abandoned field. I called them and got the correct address and when I showed them the phone book and the wrong printed address, they had NO IDEA the address in the phone book was wrong. (They never looked at the advertisement or had it reviewed or had somebody else tell them about the error??) After some negotiation of cap cost and the lease deal, I asked them to run the numbers. I was left alone for over 30 minutes (no kidding). When the guy finally came back, he looked upset. He told me that nobody could get the lease software to work on the computer. He said the guy that usually does the leases was off that day. (I was VERY clear when I made the appointment that I was interested in a LEASE). I had no choice but to leave. I left my contact information and didn't get a call back for 3 days. When I finally did get a call, the manager told me that he could only take off about $700 off the retail price which resulted in a cap cost substantially more than I had negotiated initially when I was at the dealership. No good.
The third dealership was totally dishonest. They claimed that ALL of the "invoice pricing" information from websites such as Edmunds and ALL of the pricing information given to me at the other Hyundai dealerships (which all matched) was wrong. The actual price of the Azera was over $800 more than what all the others claimed. ??? Right. Then they started tacking on fees. The funniest one was the "dealer name fee" of $350. They told me that was a mandatory fee for the privilege of putting the name "Ken Garff" on the building. ?? I laughed and walked out.
Can you imagine this kind of nonsense going on with the HYUNDAI GENESIS? An upscale market luxury vehicle? What a total joke. "I" knew a LOT more about the Azera than the salespeople at the Hyundai dealerships. It was like walking into a store to buy expensive imported china only to find out it was a Wal-mart.
So, it would be far better for Hyundai to have a separate dealership for the Genesis, in my opinion (and experience).
Just to be fair. The fourth dealership I visited (Murdock Hyundai in Orem, Utah) was EXCELLENT. Very knowledgeable. I didn't have to negotiate at all. Implemented the lease deal AS ADVERTISED. No hidden fees. PERFECT. But one out of four is a very poor record and if the same pattern holds true for selling the Genesis, Hyundai is in BIG trouble. Somebody in the market for an upscale vehicle would not put up with that kind of amateurish incompetence.
2.5 cu. ft. spread throughout the cabin can factor out to a mere inch here, half an inch there or a couple inches somewhere else. It won't seem that much bigger and still falls into line with what I said...it won't have MUCH more room than what the Azera already offers. So folks thinking they would be getting a major upgrade in interior space over the Azera...don't hold your breath.
THIS IS INFO SENT TO ME BY A HYUNDAI DEALER'S SALESPERSON. THAT IS ALL THE PERSON KNOWS SO THAT IS ALL I KNOW
I guess I'm just going to have to get the details to you in increments as they become available to me. I still don't have any stats on the V8 engine because it hasn't been allocated yet. But the V6 3.8l has 4 different packages.
Package 1: Standard equipment
Package 2: Premium package
Comes with leather wrapped dash
Integrated memory system
Lexicon 15 speaker surround sound, 6-disc stereo system
Sunroof, rain-sensing wipers, tilt/telescopic S/W
Power driver seat, heated seats
Package 3: Premium Package Plus
Has everything the Premium package has plus 18" Hyper Silver Alloy Wheels
Package 4: Technology Package
Lexicon Discrete Audio System w/6 disc changer
Navigation System w/Back-Up Camera
Driver Information System (D.I.S.), Multimedia Controller
HID, Auto Leveling & Adaptive Headlights
Front and Rear Parking Assistence Sensors
Cooled Drivers Seat
The Smart Cruise Control is an option. It's the lane change that is not. Also, we have ordered 4 Genesis that we are expecting in sometime late June.
Along the same lines, I'd also think that "tilt/telescope steering wheel" in Package 2 means it's power-assisted. Overall, sounds like Package 2 is a very similar equipment level to the Azera Limited Ultimate Package (without navi).
One issue I'm still awaiting clarification on: Is the wood real or fake? It's been reported both ways. Of course, it was reported as real in some early stories on the '06 Azera, too. I'm guessing it's fake on the base model, real on the top model and a hearty "dunno yet" in between.
I near about caused myself a nasty little pile-up here in Fredericksburg, Va today cause I spotted a Genesis sedan and was very tempted to give chase to see the cars interior and find out how the owner likes it. Then too I figured maybe it was a tester that someone had out and about. Its a really impressive vehicle from about 15ft away! This one had the "flying H" grille though. I called my local dealership but they don't know anything about it..as usual.
True ! I was at a Hyundai dealership several weeks ago asking about the Genesis. Salesman said they would get a few over the summer but they would command a premium price. He said they would sell for $2-3k over MSRP. I told him maybe so , but not from me .
quote "I near about caused myself a nasty little pile-up here in Fredericksburg, Va today cause I spotted a Genesis sedan and was very tempted to give chase to see the cars interior and find out how the owner likes it. Then too I figured maybe it was a tester that someone had out and about. Its a really impressive vehicle from about 15ft away! This one had the "flying H" grille though. I called my local dealership but they don't know anything about it..as usual."
I WANT H grill on the front. THAT's what makes this car look even better. I hate the one without the H badge, the one that looks like a waterfall grill. Ugly [non-permissible content removed] grill I have ever seen in my life.....
There is a 90% chance I will go with the Genesis Sedan V8 4th quarter of this year. This car will be the attention-getter. :P
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Ric, I agree with you 100%. When you go into a BMW or even a Ford dealership, there are usually at least 3 or 4 salespeople who have been "prepped" on new cars before they reach the dealership, and often have even test driven them at special programs. Also, the service department has been prepared through training programs etc. I jumped on my Azera in late January '06 just as they arrived. Fortunately, for me, the dealer I had WAS "with the program" and gave me the car for the exact lease program Hyundai was promoting. They even through in a few "extras"...However the service department was clueless about programming the exit/entry, doorlocks etc. I have since moved across the coast and find that the service department is polite, but not very "up to snuff" on the latest goings on and even worse, when I walked into the sales department to ask about the Genesis, a slick-talking dude was trying to tell me how "hot" the car was going to be, how limited they were in allocation and how much over MSRP they would sell for. However, he couldn't even give me any specs on the car. Lying in the corner at the very end of the service waiting area, however, was a Genesis full brochure with most of the details that the salesman was lacking. I think Hyundai is completely clueless about marketing, They have spent a pile developing and manufacturing very good cars lately and then they send them out to old-line hack sales groups, and worse yet, don't bring the dealerships up to certain service standards. When you buy a car, you are buying a total experience. I enjoy my Azera, and fortunately for me, I have had ZERO defects and problems for my two years. I bought my car off lease at the option price, since the re-sale has held up so well and also know that my car is "perfect." However, I can assure you that I will NOT buy another Hyundai, because I have been lucky to have a car without problems. If that had not been the case, I am sure it would have been a series of horrors to get my problems solved given the poor training and lack of coordination between dealer and manufacturer. I would rather spend the extra $6-$10k to go from a Genesis to an Infiniti M45 or somesuch and know that over a 6 or 7 year ownership, that extra money buys me a relationship with a dealer network and manufacturer that are dedicated to TOTAL customer satisfaction and will save me a pile of aggravation. Someday Hyundai just might get their act together, but right now....excellent products, but every other part of the purchase/ownership relationship is a total crapshoot. I will keep my Azera and enjoy it and feel it was a good buy, but also realize I have been lucky!!
I, also, bought my Azera at the end of the lease. I've had it for 27 months and it's in excellent condition and only has 18,000 miles. I'm keeping my eye on the Genesis and will wait until there are many reviews, crash test results, buyer experiences, etc. Even though I had a really awful experience leasing my Azera, I DID finally find a good dealership which knew what they were doing.
I'm not dismissing buying a Genesis, but after the laughably bad experiences at Hyundai dealerships, I am going be quite cautious before buying another Hyundai automobile. If things haven't changed from two years ago, I find it rather ridiculous that such inept dealerships would try to sell what they consider to be "up-scale" automobiles. The difference between, say, Acura and Hyundai is like the difference between Nordstrom and Wal-mart. Could a Wal-mart really sell high-end clothing and housewares with their current atmosphere and employees? Doubt it, yet, Hyundai is trying to do that with the Genesis.
Many potential Genesis purchasers will no doubt be current Azera owners. I agree with the previous comments from frazee and ricwhite. In my case I leased an '07 Azera in Oct '06 from a stand alone Hyundai dealer. The lease experience was flawless, but service related issues such as programming locks after purchase was a joke. I was charged, then reimbursed after receiving a welcome mailer from Hyundai Fountain Valley.
Sadly, the original dealer went belly up shortly after. Now Hyundai is the secondary product line in the closest dealer to my home and I dread making a service appointment as I know more about Azera than they do.
My lease expires in April '09. Maybe by then Genesis will have indeed been launched and available for sale / lease. But as long as Korea is satisfied with mediocrity with their local dealers I'll probably purchase this otherwise satisfying vehicle and turn over service responsibility to my wife.
I doubt the fast, cheap and out the door approach will fly with Genesis.
Ric...you had said " The difference between, say, Acura and Hyundai is like the difference between Nordstrom and Wal-mart."
Actually Wal-mart is a very well-run and competent operation that is somewhat consumer-friendly. I think the difference between Infiniti/Acura and Hyundai dealers are somewhat more akin to the difference between .99 Cent Stores and Nordstroms. ;>>)
The old adage of waiting for the 3rd year of a new car model is still true based on my experience with a 2007 Azera. This is even more true with the Genesis as it contains so many new components. While I like my Azera and its impressive list of luxury features, the suspension isn't as good as it should be. My dealer's service dept. has been very cooperative and super on pricing. However, the lack of knowledge extends through the whole dealership. I also believe they use the Hyundai store to train employees for the GM and Nissan stores they also own. Maybe by 2011, the Genesis will have proven itself to the professionals, in long term testing and be reasonably priced.
What's to be said? We've already seen pics of the car itself. Pretty much everyone is in agreement that the car looks nice (personally, I think it looks better than nice, but that's just me).
I stopped by the dealer I bought my Azera from and picked up a brochure on the Genesis. The manager told me that he ordered two Genesis sedans. One will be the V-6 and the other will be a fully loaded V-8 model.
Interesting point, all the speculation concerning the 3 power plants that Hyundai would be offering and the brochure only lists two, the 3.8 V-6 and the 4.6 V-8. I would be led to believe that the 3.3 V-6 would only be available in other markets overseas like they did with the Azera (at first). So concerning the North American market...there will only be 2 engines offered (the way it should be).
I can't wait for the phone call for me to go get my test drive!!!
Whats to be said?? Pretty simple - read my question.
A brochure is as good as seeing a car on the web. Seeing it in person is much more rewarding, therefore I want to know where the pics were taken. If its local (Which it looks to be based on the license plates (all california) on the surrounding vehicles), I want to know.
First of all, your posting was titled, "Surprised no one has responded to those photos" Considering you see all the CA plates on the surrounding cars, you've got part of the where question already answered.
There are a few of us that ventured down to our local auto shows and saw the car in person. I would agree with you...seeing it in person is much more rewarding.
Considering Hyundai's headquartered in Fountain Valley, CA, I would gather those pics were taken somewhere close to that vicinity as I'm sure they would have one of the first ones to hit the roads. There are dealers that have a stripped down version for their techs to get familiar with (not all of them though).
There was a posting about someone seeing a Genesis here in the DC area (Fredericksburg, VA to be exact).
P.S. A brochure is a little better than just a pic on the web, that means it's that much closer to being in the showrooms.
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As far as VCM, after hearing the complaints regarding the new Accords, I'd rather not go that direction. Although this isn't all Accord owners, it leaves me with enough pause to wonder if the extra mile or two a gallon would be worth it.
I wouldn't mind a hybrid at a reasonable cost.
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A buddy of mine test drove the G8 GT yesterday (he has a Magnum R/T). He said the G8 was nice, but...it wasn't convincing enough to make him want to give up his Magnum. He said for all the hype generated, it doesn't take off like he expected it to, but it definitely has nice power. I his terms, it's not that raw power like his R/T.
However, the Genesis...that's gonna be the classy, pull up to the local tennis club type of car.
I'm very impressed with the Genesis (on paper) and I'm looking forward to some great reviews. The Genesis and G8 are very similar, if not, identical in size. If it's as roomy as the G8, then I'm more inclined to get a Genesis, especially with a rumored SC for the V8 :shades:
My wife has a 2007 SF and it's only had an O2 sensor replaced. Now with ~20k miles and trouble free, Hyundai is making some really good vehicles. Here's hoping the Genesis will be their successful halo car.
Like you...I've changed cars too due to growing children and family expansion. My '02 Sonata hardly offered enough leg room for my daughters to sit behind me comfortably, but the Azera has taken care of that nicely. From what I've heard and seen, the Genesis won't have much more room than what the Azera offers already.
The Azera is my 3rd Hyundai (first being an '87 Excel)...yes, they have come so very far in terms of quality...like they jumped from the stone age to the computer age in one leap (okay, that's an exaggeration, but it seems like it).
I hope that's not the case, but time will tell. I can't understand how a full size sedan like the Genesis would be similar in interior space as the Azera. That would be a big mistake for Hyundai. Although I can say, being 6'5" the space in the SF and other Hyundai vehicles I've sat in, are pretty decent in interior space. - I guess I'm expecting more from a larger vehicle. The G8's interior space is incredible. I put the driver sear all the way back (barely touching the pedals) and sat in the back seat and my legs weren't even close to the back of the driver seat. And very comfortable I might add....
The second dealership was in a nearby city. I made an appointment, got the address out of the phone book and went. The address took me to an abandoned field. I called them and got the correct address and when I showed them the phone book and the wrong printed address, they had NO IDEA the address in the phone book was wrong. (They never looked at the advertisement or had it reviewed or had somebody else tell them about the error??) After some negotiation of cap cost and the lease deal, I asked them to run the numbers. I was left alone for over 30 minutes (no kidding). When the guy finally came back, he looked upset. He told me that nobody could get the lease software to work on the computer. He said the guy that usually does the leases was off that day. (I was VERY clear when I made the appointment that I was interested in a LEASE). I had no choice but to leave. I left my contact information and didn't get a call back for 3 days. When I finally did get a call, the manager told me that he could only take off about $700 off the retail price which resulted in a cap cost substantially more than I had negotiated initially when I was at the dealership. No good.
The third dealership was totally dishonest. They claimed that ALL of the "invoice pricing" information from websites such as Edmunds and ALL of the pricing information given to me at the other Hyundai dealerships (which all matched) was wrong. The actual price of the Azera was over $800 more than what all the others claimed. ??? Right. Then they started tacking on fees. The funniest one was the "dealer name fee" of $350. They told me that was a mandatory fee for the privilege of putting the name "Ken Garff" on the building. ?? I laughed and walked out.
Can you imagine this kind of nonsense going on with the HYUNDAI GENESIS? An upscale market luxury vehicle? What a total joke. "I" knew a LOT more about the Azera than the salespeople at the Hyundai dealerships. It was like walking into a store to buy expensive imported china only to find out it was a Wal-mart.
So, it would be far better for Hyundai to have a separate dealership for the Genesis, in my opinion (and experience).
Just to be fair. The fourth dealership I visited (Murdock Hyundai in Orem, Utah) was EXCELLENT. Very knowledgeable. I didn't have to negotiate at all. Implemented the lease deal AS ADVERTISED. No hidden fees. PERFECT. But one out of four is a very poor record and if the same pattern holds true for selling the Genesis, Hyundai is in BIG trouble. Somebody in the market for an upscale vehicle would not put up with that kind of amateurish incompetence.
The interior volume is 2.5 cu. ft. larger than that of the Azera, which will be a good upgrade in terms of size and space.
I guess I'm just going to have to get the details to you in increments as they become available to me. I still don't have any stats on the V8 engine because it hasn't been allocated yet. But the V6 3.8l has 4 different packages.
Package 1: Standard equipment
Package 2: Premium package
Comes with leather wrapped dash
Integrated memory system
Lexicon 15 speaker surround sound, 6-disc stereo system
Sunroof, rain-sensing wipers, tilt/telescopic S/W
Power driver seat, heated seats
Package 3: Premium Package Plus
Has everything the Premium package has plus 18" Hyper Silver Alloy Wheels
Package 4: Technology Package
Lexicon Discrete Audio System w/6 disc changer
Navigation System w/Back-Up Camera
Driver Information System (D.I.S.), Multimedia Controller
HID, Auto Leveling & Adaptive Headlights
Front and Rear Parking Assistence Sensors
Cooled Drivers Seat
The Smart Cruise Control is an option. It's the lane change that is not. Also, we have ordered 4 Genesis that we are expecting in sometime late June.
One issue I'm still awaiting clarification on: Is the wood real or fake? It's been reported both ways. Of course, it was reported as real in some early stories on the '06 Azera, too. I'm guessing it's fake on the base model, real on the top model and a hearty "dunno yet" in between.
I WANT H grill on the front. THAT's what makes this car look even better. I hate the one without the H badge, the one that looks like a waterfall grill. Ugly [non-permissible content removed] grill I have ever seen in my life.....
There is a 90% chance I will go with the Genesis Sedan V8 4th quarter of this year. This car will be the attention-getter. :P
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I have since moved across the coast and find that the service department is polite, but not very "up to snuff" on the latest goings on and even worse, when I walked into the sales department to ask about the Genesis, a slick-talking dude was trying to tell me how "hot" the car was going to be, how limited they were in allocation and how much over MSRP they would sell for. However, he couldn't even give me any specs on the car. Lying in the corner at the very end of the service waiting area, however, was a Genesis full brochure with most of the details that the salesman was lacking. I think Hyundai is completely clueless about marketing,
They have spent a pile developing and manufacturing very good cars lately and then they send them out to old-line hack sales groups, and worse yet, don't bring the dealerships up to certain service standards. When you buy a car, you are buying a total experience. I enjoy my Azera, and fortunately for me, I have had ZERO defects and problems for my two years. I bought my car off lease at the option price, since the re-sale has held up so well and also know that my car is "perfect."
However, I can assure you that I will NOT buy another Hyundai, because I have been lucky to have a car without problems. If that had not been the case, I am sure it would have been a series of horrors to get my problems solved given the poor training and lack of coordination between dealer and manufacturer. I would rather spend the extra $6-$10k to go from a Genesis to an Infiniti M45 or somesuch and know that over a 6 or 7 year ownership, that extra money buys me a relationship with a dealer network and manufacturer that are dedicated to TOTAL customer satisfaction and will save me a pile of aggravation. Someday Hyundai just might get their act together, but right now....excellent products, but every other part of the purchase/ownership relationship is a total crapshoot. I will keep my Azera and enjoy it and feel it was a good buy, but also realize I have been lucky!!
I'm not dismissing buying a Genesis, but after the laughably bad experiences at Hyundai dealerships, I am going be quite cautious before buying another Hyundai automobile. If things haven't changed from two years ago, I find it rather ridiculous that such inept dealerships would try to sell what they consider to be "up-scale" automobiles. The difference between, say, Acura and Hyundai is like the difference between Nordstrom and Wal-mart. Could a Wal-mart really sell high-end clothing and housewares with their current atmosphere and employees? Doubt it, yet, Hyundai is trying to do that with the Genesis.
Sadly, the original dealer went belly up shortly after. Now Hyundai is the secondary product line in the closest dealer to my home and I dread making a service appointment as I know more about Azera than they do.
My lease expires in April '09. Maybe by then Genesis will have indeed been launched and available for sale / lease. But as long as Korea is satisfied with mediocrity with their local dealers I'll probably purchase this otherwise satisfying vehicle and turn over service responsibility to my wife.
I doubt the fast, cheap and out the door approach will fly with Genesis.
Actually Wal-mart is a very well-run and competent operation that is somewhat consumer-friendly. I think the difference between Infiniti/Acura and Hyundai dealers are somewhat more akin to the difference between .99 Cent Stores and Nordstroms.
;>>)
While I like my Azera and its impressive list of luxury features, the suspension isn't as good as it should be.
My dealer's service dept. has been very cooperative and super on pricing. However, the lack of knowledge extends through the whole dealership. I also believe they use the Hyundai store to train employees for the GM and Nissan stores they also own.
Maybe by 2011, the Genesis will have proven itself to the professionals, in long term testing and be reasonably priced.
I stopped by the dealer I bought my Azera from and picked up a brochure on the Genesis. The manager told me that he ordered two Genesis sedans. One will be the V-6 and the other will be a fully loaded V-8 model.
Interesting point, all the speculation concerning the 3 power plants that Hyundai would be offering and the brochure only lists two, the 3.8 V-6 and the 4.6 V-8. I would be led to believe that the 3.3 V-6 would only be available in other markets overseas like they did with the Azera (at first). So concerning the North American market...there will only be 2 engines offered (the way it should be).
I can't wait for the phone call for me to go get my test drive!!!
A brochure is as good as seeing a car on the web. Seeing it in person is much more rewarding, therefore I want to know where the pics were taken. If its local (Which it looks to be based on the license plates (all california) on the surrounding vehicles), I want to know.
There are a few of us that ventured down to our local auto shows and saw the car in person. I would agree with you...seeing it in person is much more rewarding.
Considering Hyundai's headquartered in Fountain Valley, CA, I would gather those pics were taken somewhere close to that vicinity as I'm sure they would have one of the first ones to hit the roads. There are dealers that have a stripped down version for their techs to get familiar with (not all of them though).
There was a posting about someone seeing a Genesis here in the DC area (Fredericksburg, VA to be exact).
P.S. A brochure is a little better than just a pic on the web, that means it's that much closer to being in the showrooms.