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That's one sexy looking car no doubt.
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As far as VCM, after hearing the complaints regarding the new Accords, I'd rather not go that direction. Although this isn't all Accord owners, it leaves me with enough pause to wonder if the extra mile or two a gallon would be worth it.
I wouldn't mind a hybrid at a reasonable cost.
I will post the Equipment list soon.
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A buddy of mine test drove the G8 GT yesterday (he has a Magnum R/T). He said the G8 was nice, but...it wasn't convincing enough to make him want to give up his Magnum. He said for all the hype generated, it doesn't take off like he expected it to, but it definitely has nice power. I his terms, it's not that raw power like his R/T.
However, the Genesis...that's gonna be the classy, pull up to the local tennis club type of car.
I'm very impressed with the Genesis (on paper) and I'm looking forward to some great reviews. The Genesis and G8 are very similar, if not, identical in size. If it's as roomy as the G8, then I'm more inclined to get a Genesis, especially with a rumored SC for the V8 :shades:
My wife has a 2007 SF and it's only had an O2 sensor replaced. Now with ~20k miles and trouble free, Hyundai is making some really good vehicles. Here's hoping the Genesis will be their successful halo car.
Like you...I've changed cars too due to growing children and family expansion. My '02 Sonata hardly offered enough leg room for my daughters to sit behind me comfortably, but the Azera has taken care of that nicely. From what I've heard and seen, the Genesis won't have much more room than what the Azera offers already.
The Azera is my 3rd Hyundai (first being an '87 Excel)...yes, they have come so very far in terms of quality...like they jumped from the stone age to the computer age in one leap (okay, that's an exaggeration, but it seems like it).
I hope that's not the case, but time will tell. I can't understand how a full size sedan like the Genesis would be similar in interior space as the Azera. That would be a big mistake for Hyundai. Although I can say, being 6'5" the space in the SF and other Hyundai vehicles I've sat in, are pretty decent in interior space. - I guess I'm expecting more from a larger vehicle. The G8's interior space is incredible. I put the driver sear all the way back (barely touching the pedals) and sat in the back seat and my legs weren't even close to the back of the driver seat. And very comfortable I might add....
The second dealership was in a nearby city. I made an appointment, got the address out of the phone book and went. The address took me to an abandoned field. I called them and got the correct address and when I showed them the phone book and the wrong printed address, they had NO IDEA the address in the phone book was wrong. (They never looked at the advertisement or had it reviewed or had somebody else tell them about the error??) After some negotiation of cap cost and the lease deal, I asked them to run the numbers. I was left alone for over 30 minutes (no kidding). When the guy finally came back, he looked upset. He told me that nobody could get the lease software to work on the computer. He said the guy that usually does the leases was off that day. (I was VERY clear when I made the appointment that I was interested in a LEASE). I had no choice but to leave. I left my contact information and didn't get a call back for 3 days. When I finally did get a call, the manager told me that he could only take off about $700 off the retail price which resulted in a cap cost substantially more than I had negotiated initially when I was at the dealership. No good.
The third dealership was totally dishonest. They claimed that ALL of the "invoice pricing" information from websites such as Edmunds and ALL of the pricing information given to me at the other Hyundai dealerships (which all matched) was wrong. The actual price of the Azera was over $800 more than what all the others claimed. ??? Right. Then they started tacking on fees. The funniest one was the "dealer name fee" of $350. They told me that was a mandatory fee for the privilege of putting the name "Ken Garff" on the building. ?? I laughed and walked out.
Can you imagine this kind of nonsense going on with the HYUNDAI GENESIS? An upscale market luxury vehicle? What a total joke. "I" knew a LOT more about the Azera than the salespeople at the Hyundai dealerships. It was like walking into a store to buy expensive imported china only to find out it was a Wal-mart.
So, it would be far better for Hyundai to have a separate dealership for the Genesis, in my opinion (and experience).
Just to be fair. The fourth dealership I visited (Murdock Hyundai in Orem, Utah) was EXCELLENT. Very knowledgeable. I didn't have to negotiate at all. Implemented the lease deal AS ADVERTISED. No hidden fees. PERFECT. But one out of four is a very poor record and if the same pattern holds true for selling the Genesis, Hyundai is in BIG trouble. Somebody in the market for an upscale vehicle would not put up with that kind of amateurish incompetence.
The interior volume is 2.5 cu. ft. larger than that of the Azera, which will be a good upgrade in terms of size and space.
I guess I'm just going to have to get the details to you in increments as they become available to me. I still don't have any stats on the V8 engine because it hasn't been allocated yet. But the V6 3.8l has 4 different packages.
Package 1: Standard equipment
Package 2: Premium package
Comes with leather wrapped dash
Integrated memory system
Lexicon 15 speaker surround sound, 6-disc stereo system
Sunroof, rain-sensing wipers, tilt/telescopic S/W
Power driver seat, heated seats
Package 3: Premium Package Plus
Has everything the Premium package has plus 18" Hyper Silver Alloy Wheels
Package 4: Technology Package
Lexicon Discrete Audio System w/6 disc changer
Navigation System w/Back-Up Camera
Driver Information System (D.I.S.), Multimedia Controller
HID, Auto Leveling & Adaptive Headlights
Front and Rear Parking Assistence Sensors
Cooled Drivers Seat
The Smart Cruise Control is an option. It's the lane change that is not. Also, we have ordered 4 Genesis that we are expecting in sometime late June.
One issue I'm still awaiting clarification on: Is the wood real or fake? It's been reported both ways. Of course, it was reported as real in some early stories on the '06 Azera, too. I'm guessing it's fake on the base model, real on the top model and a hearty "dunno yet" in between.
I WANT H grill on the front. THAT's what makes this car look even better. I hate the one without the H badge, the one that looks like a waterfall grill. Ugly [non-permissible content removed] grill I have ever seen in my life.....
There is a 90% chance I will go with the Genesis Sedan V8 4th quarter of this year. This car will be the attention-getter. :P
Either resize them yourself, or you can post them on your CarSpace page and then use the automatically generated text to display them. That way they will be automatically resized.
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I have since moved across the coast and find that the service department is polite, but not very "up to snuff" on the latest goings on and even worse, when I walked into the sales department to ask about the Genesis, a slick-talking dude was trying to tell me how "hot" the car was going to be, how limited they were in allocation and how much over MSRP they would sell for. However, he couldn't even give me any specs on the car. Lying in the corner at the very end of the service waiting area, however, was a Genesis full brochure with most of the details that the salesman was lacking. I think Hyundai is completely clueless about marketing,
They have spent a pile developing and manufacturing very good cars lately and then they send them out to old-line hack sales groups, and worse yet, don't bring the dealerships up to certain service standards. When you buy a car, you are buying a total experience. I enjoy my Azera, and fortunately for me, I have had ZERO defects and problems for my two years. I bought my car off lease at the option price, since the re-sale has held up so well and also know that my car is "perfect."
However, I can assure you that I will NOT buy another Hyundai, because I have been lucky to have a car without problems. If that had not been the case, I am sure it would have been a series of horrors to get my problems solved given the poor training and lack of coordination between dealer and manufacturer. I would rather spend the extra $6-$10k to go from a Genesis to an Infiniti M45 or somesuch and know that over a 6 or 7 year ownership, that extra money buys me a relationship with a dealer network and manufacturer that are dedicated to TOTAL customer satisfaction and will save me a pile of aggravation. Someday Hyundai just might get their act together, but right now....excellent products, but every other part of the purchase/ownership relationship is a total crapshoot. I will keep my Azera and enjoy it and feel it was a good buy, but also realize I have been lucky!!
I'm not dismissing buying a Genesis, but after the laughably bad experiences at Hyundai dealerships, I am going be quite cautious before buying another Hyundai automobile. If things haven't changed from two years ago, I find it rather ridiculous that such inept dealerships would try to sell what they consider to be "up-scale" automobiles. The difference between, say, Acura and Hyundai is like the difference between Nordstrom and Wal-mart. Could a Wal-mart really sell high-end clothing and housewares with their current atmosphere and employees? Doubt it, yet, Hyundai is trying to do that with the Genesis.
Sadly, the original dealer went belly up shortly after. Now Hyundai is the secondary product line in the closest dealer to my home and I dread making a service appointment as I know more about Azera than they do.
My lease expires in April '09. Maybe by then Genesis will have indeed been launched and available for sale / lease. But as long as Korea is satisfied with mediocrity with their local dealers I'll probably purchase this otherwise satisfying vehicle and turn over service responsibility to my wife.
I doubt the fast, cheap and out the door approach will fly with Genesis.
Actually Wal-mart is a very well-run and competent operation that is somewhat consumer-friendly. I think the difference between Infiniti/Acura and Hyundai dealers are somewhat more akin to the difference between .99 Cent Stores and Nordstroms.
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While I like my Azera and its impressive list of luxury features, the suspension isn't as good as it should be.
My dealer's service dept. has been very cooperative and super on pricing. However, the lack of knowledge extends through the whole dealership. I also believe they use the Hyundai store to train employees for the GM and Nissan stores they also own.
Maybe by 2011, the Genesis will have proven itself to the professionals, in long term testing and be reasonably priced.
I stopped by the dealer I bought my Azera from and picked up a brochure on the Genesis. The manager told me that he ordered two Genesis sedans. One will be the V-6 and the other will be a fully loaded V-8 model.
Interesting point, all the speculation concerning the 3 power plants that Hyundai would be offering and the brochure only lists two, the 3.8 V-6 and the 4.6 V-8. I would be led to believe that the 3.3 V-6 would only be available in other markets overseas like they did with the Azera (at first). So concerning the North American market...there will only be 2 engines offered (the way it should be).
I can't wait for the phone call for me to go get my test drive!!!
A brochure is as good as seeing a car on the web. Seeing it in person is much more rewarding, therefore I want to know where the pics were taken. If its local (Which it looks to be based on the license plates (all california) on the surrounding vehicles), I want to know.
There are a few of us that ventured down to our local auto shows and saw the car in person. I would agree with you...seeing it in person is much more rewarding.
Considering Hyundai's headquartered in Fountain Valley, CA, I would gather those pics were taken somewhere close to that vicinity as I'm sure they would have one of the first ones to hit the roads. There are dealers that have a stripped down version for their techs to get familiar with (not all of them though).
There was a posting about someone seeing a Genesis here in the DC area (Fredericksburg, VA to be exact).
P.S. A brochure is a little better than just a pic on the web, that means it's that much closer to being in the showrooms.