Wasnt aware HQ was in FV. Autoshow's arent always production models so hence seeing a car on the road close to release is a lot closer to reality. Maybe I will see one in Huntington this weekend or Newport since the DW and I will be up at the hyatt for the weekend.
To me the web and a paper brochure are the same - advertising. Once Web 3.0 happens, maybe paper brochures will be a thing of the past and you can have a true 3D interaction with an object. Thats a discussion for another time and place...
Yeah...their U.S. based HQ is in Fountain Valley. The only difference between the the car that was being shown at the auto shows and the "production" model is the one at the auto show was the Korean version, not the U.S. version.
Considering the car is supposed to make its showroom debut in June (which is around the corner), you could very well see one or two if you're looking out for them.
I do know what you mean about seeing it on the web, when I saw the Azera on the web, it didn't really grab my attention, but seeing it in person gave me a whole new perception. The Genesis...well, that one has grabbed my attention in picture form and it didn't disappoint when I saw it. The only disappointment I had was the fact i couldn't sit in the car and was even more disappointed when other people posted that they did get to sit in the car. I merely got a peek at the interior from about 15 feet away. :sick:
Was on PCH at a stoplight with the wife and looked across from us to find one sitting at the light. I looked at it three times before figuring out it wasnt a MB. Looks just like them. Looked good, although im not a fan of maroon.
Genesis does have iPod integration but you will need the hyundai specific cable for it. The hyundai cable plugs into both USB and Aux inputs. Should cost around 24 to 50 USD.
Today the government gas mileage ratings came out for the 2009 Genesis. They list the 3.3 and the 3.8 liter V6 engines. MPG for the 3.3 is 19/27/22 (City/Hwy/Combined) while MPG for the 3.8 is 18/27/21 (City/Hwy/Combined). Go to www.fueleconomy.gov
The all-new Hyundai Genesis sedan celebrates the union of indulgence and reality, combining thoughtful design with comforts and extras that haven't been seen before. The Genesis truly is the embodiment of a revolution — everything you want in a luxury sedan and more, all at pricing you've come to expect from Hyundai.
It looks as if the gas mileage for the Genesis 3.8 V6 is about the same as the 3.8 V6 on the Azera. I believe my Azera is listed as 18 city and 27 highway. In reality, I get about 28 highway and 15 city. City driving mileage is rather disappointing.
This should be one fine automobile. They stuff all the content you could want into a car and offer it for less. The only compromise is really the badge. They are really putting luxury car companies on notice.
I hope they someday come after the exotic car segment. I suppose that would depend on the success of the Genesis Coupe, but imagine the possibilities. Hyundai has the designers to make it happen. I've found myself admiring quite a few of their cars in the past, only to wish they had more cajones and the proper wheels moving the car. Now they do.
I'm not at all disappointed in the highway mileage on the Azera, but I am on the city mileage. I owned a VW Passat V6 before the Azera and they both had similar EPA ratings. However, with the Passat, I was able to get around 20 city. The Azera gets around 15 city -- with the same routes as I had with the Passat. That's a 25% reduction in gas mileage over the Passat. It's also significantly below the EPA estimate. With the Passat, I actually got HIGHER than the EPA estimate. And with "stop and go" heavy traffic driving, the Azera mileage drops to 12-13 MPG.
All I'm saying is that I was expecting a little better and I hope the V8 Genesis has improved mileage efficiency. If it doesn't, then I would expect about 13 city and 25 highway. That's a little scary with gas prices now rising over $4 per gallon with $5 per gallon here by next year.
I know I'm not the only Azera owner somewhat disappointed in the gas mileage.
Hyundai told MT and everyone else who would listen (apparently MT didn't) that the Genesis sedan is NOT a sports sedan. So what did MT do? Evaluate the car as if it were a sports sedan. I am not surpirsed they were disappointed by how it handles.
Hmmm? That's about what reviewers said about the Azera when it came out and it is close - until the suspension problem started. BTW, suspension is the most discussed topic on Edmunds and Hyundai-Forums sites for Azeras. I hope the Genesis is all that is it supposed to be, but since Hyundai cannot fix the wallow in the many Azeras that have it, I'll wait until the 2011 Genesis comes out. Hopefully by then, they will also have tweaked the MPG as well. Maybe they need to bring out the V6 only for awhile, prove it and then add the V8. Since RWD and V8 are both new for Hyundai, there may be bugs that show up after many miles on many cars. Keeping my fingers crossed.
...but since Hyundai cannot fix the wallow in the many Azeras that have it...
FWIW, a Hyundai sales rep told me yesterday the 2009 Azera (now available) has a revised suspension, so maybe Hyundai has addressed this issue on the Azera.
I read two previews from MotorTrend and Automobile magazine, (if that is what they can be called) about the soon to be released Hyundai Genesis and to be honest, both did very little to quench my curiosity about the ride and handling of the Genesis sedan. Perhaps, this was intentional?
So why bother publishing these bare bone previews? I suspect because it may have something to do with the pent up demand for specific details on Genesis. This has helped Hyundai create a well orchestrated pre-market dribble, dribble, release of non-specific, yet some what specific details, regarding the Genesis, for which it has masterfully hyped quite successfully, as the desire for even more information about this U.S. spec Korean luxury sedan persist.
This impression is made even more self evident because both MT and Automobile, having realized this, have promised full blown reviews which are already scheduled for their upcoming August issues. This impressed upon me how important the automotive media considers Genesis. Neither preview commented on how well they perceived the Genesis would compare against the new Pontiac G8, current Chrysler 300, New Maxima or Lexus ES350, cars likely to be its main competitive rivals.
However, there were some useful insights that I garnered from these early previews. Namely, the Genesis can hold its own in terms of delivering on the claim of luxury amenities from the Lexus like ride, and the suspension, to the overall fit and finish one equates with a luxury sedan. It also seems to be on par with overall ride and comfort.
I found it amusing that one of the more curious comments came from the Automobile mag reviewer who quibbled dubiously about whether the Lexicon sound system could match or equal the Lexus Mark Levinson’s by boasting, "An optional 500-watt Lexicon stereo might not be the equal of the Mark Levinson's system offered by Lexus, but it will meet the expectations of all but the pickiest audiophiles, and there's easy access to the equalizer function." Don’t forget the operative word here is “might” which was most likely provoked by this reviewer’s "wow" realization that “I can’t believe this is a Hyundai” deer-in-headlight remark.
As the reviews begin to trickle in on Genesis, I expect to read more of this sort of over-bitten hyperbole from established mainstream media types who have yet to get past their jaded memories of Hyundais from the ‘80s and ‘90s. Perhaps the Genesis will force them to get up to speed on the major transformations that have re-shaped Hyundai both on an engineering and technological scale.
Nothing more to ‘Think About’. Yes, imagine Hyundai.
According to this news report Hyundai has confirmed that it has pre-sold 700 Genesis sedans and have received more than 20,000 inquires since the unveiling:
The Hyundai Genesis sedan won’t launch in the U.S. until later this summer but Hyundai says that dealers have already presold 700 units of its luxury car along with more than 20,000 customers who have expressed interest in the car.
Hyundai will spend more than $80 million on a marketing campaign for the new Genesis - the most it has spent to launch any vehicle in the U.S. The Korean automaker plans to sell only 30,000 in the first year with pricing to be between $30,000 and $40,000.
“Genesis will help sell all Hyundai vehicles,” said Joel Ewanick, vice president of marketing for Hyundai Motor America. “This car will allow us to reach new customers and talk up quality like we never have.”
Hyundai will offer the Genesis in a variety of powertrains choices including a 3.3L V6 that produces 268 horsepower and a 3.8L V6 that produces 290 horsepower and a peak torque of 264 lb-ft. The range topper Tau 4.6L V8 produces 375 horsepower giving the Genesis the ability to do 0-60 in less than six seconds.
As it has been reported, the North American version varies from the Korean spec (which was tested and evaluated by journalists and the press). I wonder if the revision would make a different impression, and we'll find out soon enough once a NA spec is being tested.
what Hyundai has actually produced is a car that's the size of the first-generation Infiniti Q45 with the performance of an M45 and at the price of a G35.
I think this one sentence is the best depiction of Genesis so far. ...not much for the Germans but enought for the Japanese.
I just bought an M45X after testing a Jaguar XF, BMW 5 Series and Benz E550. The M has a really distinctive interior and handles beautifully.
I love the car.
The Genesis looks like a great first luxury car for Hyundai, but they aren't even positioning it as a performance sedan. It's going to be really interesting to see how it does in this market.
I would stake the farm and the wife that NO Genesis' will sell for over $40K with the incentives and discounts Hyundai will offer on this car. People will sign on the dotted line for a loaded one in the mid $30's and the Genesis will also cannibalize Azera sales. One has to wonder if the Azera, now nearing its redesign, will even make it long-term. Azera's and Veracruz's are selling $5-7k below msrp all day long. Enter Genesis.
V6 Genesis to start at $29,500 (so Hyundai can keep its promise) and tops out at $36k. The V8 Genesis would start at around $36k and tops out at around $41k.
The Azera fills the same niche for Hyundai that the Avalon fills for Toyota. I think there's room for both the Azera and Genesis, since some folks want a larger, more luxurious FWD car than what the Sonata offers, and the Genesis is RWD and will be pricier than the Azera (which can be easily had for low $20s for starters).
Another Genesis review just appeared over at Autoblog. Article is not as smooth as the one here at edmunds but very informative and full of very good insights. So far from what I've read, it makes me anxious to drive this car.
would stake the farm and the wife that NO Genesis' will sell for over $40K with the incentives and discounts Hyundai will offer on this car. People will sign on the dotted line for a loaded one in the mid $30's and the Genesis will also cannibalize Azera sales. One has to wonder if the Azera, now nearing its redesign, will even make it long-term. Azera's and Veracruz's are selling $5-7k below msrp all day long. Enter Genesis.
Well, in response to that, we all know It's a competive market. The local Honda store in my area is advertising $4000-5000 off all 2008 Pilot and Odyessy minvans.
With 375hp, I can see people paying low 42-44k for a top of the line Genesis. The V6 @ mid 30's loaded all the way up.
That same car is 15-20k more with a Lexus badge on it.
I sat inside of a 80k Lexus 460, and the interior was nothing to write home about. I felt it was a really large Toyota Camry that was all decked out.
If you are looking for discounts or rebates on the Genesis soon after launch... good luck!! It will take awhile for the initially limited supply to catch up with demand. Until that happens, I don't see discounts or rebates in the picture.
LOS ANGELES -- Hyundai Motor America has priced the new Genesis luxury sedan at $33,000 for the V-6 version and $38,000 for the V-8. Both prices include shipping. The Genesis, Hyundai’s first luxury sedan, is to arrive in dealerships in June. The V-6 version has a 290-hp 3.8-liter engine that is EPA-rated at 18 mpg in the city and 28 mpg on the highway.
About the $38k for the V8, is that the fully loaded or base version? If that's the base then it's guaranteed that a fully loaded V8 Genesis would break the $40k barrier (which A LOT of Hyundai faithfuls think it wouldn't).
Thanks. Looks like options will drive up both considerably past expected pricing advantage IMHO. Too many alternatives in the $38 - $45K luxo sedan category vs. year one of a new marquee.
I'd like to buy the new Hyundai Genesis, but dealers in my area are already talking about selling this car over MSRP - insane in this economy! I'm in Northern California, but willing to buy anywhere for a good deal on an early fully loaded Genesis (prefer black). Any recomendations for good dealers without a long wait or silly pricing?
For comparison purposes, a VW Passat V6 with rear side airbags and iPod adapter (standard on Genesis) lists at $37,289--or over $4000 more than the more powerful, better-equipped Genesis V6, and a few hundred less than the Genesis V8.
Availability of Genesis maybe a problem as there are 700 plus already pre-sold. I don't see any real 'deals' initially. They are only projecting 30k in sales for the U.S. which is not a lot for near lux, so if it does as well as expected, transaction prices may remain within the MSRP or above invoice.
Perhaps we'll also see some great lease deals as well. I'm very interested in driving this car. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------- "Hyundai says that dealers have already presold 700 units of its luxury car along with more than 20,000 customers who have expressed interest in the car."
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To me the web and a paper brochure are the same - advertising. Once Web 3.0 happens, maybe paper brochures will be a thing of the past and you can have a true 3D interaction with an object. Thats a discussion for another time and place...
Considering the car is supposed to make its showroom debut in June (which is around the corner), you could very well see one or two if you're looking out for them.
I do know what you mean about seeing it on the web, when I saw the Azera on the web, it didn't really grab my attention, but seeing it in person gave me a whole new perception. The Genesis...well, that one has grabbed my attention in picture form and it didn't disappoint when I saw it. The only disappointment I had was the fact i couldn't sit in the car and was even more disappointed when other people posted that they did get to sit in the car. I merely got a peek at the interior from about 15 feet away. :sick:
Cant wait to drive one.
That about sums it up.
Azera 3.3 | Azera 3.8 | Genesis 3.8 | Genesis 3.3
As seen on: http://www.fueleconomy.gov
I hope they someday come after the exotic car segment. I suppose that would depend on the success of the Genesis Coupe, but imagine the possibilities. Hyundai has the designers to make it happen. I've found myself admiring quite a few of their cars in the past, only to wish they had more cajones and the proper wheels moving the car. Now they do.
And with "stop and go" heavy traffic driving, the Azera mileage drops to 12-13 MPG.
All I'm saying is that I was expecting a little better and I hope the V8 Genesis has improved mileage efficiency. If it doesn't, then I would expect about 13 city and 25 highway. That's a little scary with gas prices now rising over $4 per gallon with $5 per gallon here by next year.
I know I'm not the only Azera owner somewhat disappointed in the gas mileage.
This is First Drive review.
This reporter doesn't seem to be positive on the driving performance of Gen.
The part number for Hyundai's iPod cable. This cable allows for full iPod integration. Plugs into both USB and aux inputs.
I hope the Genesis is all that is it supposed to be, but since Hyundai cannot fix the wallow in the many Azeras that have it, I'll wait until the 2011 Genesis comes out. Hopefully by then, they will also have tweaked the MPG as well.
Maybe they need to bring out the V6 only for awhile, prove it and then add the V8. Since RWD and V8 are both new for Hyundai, there may be bugs that show up after many miles on many cars.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
FWIW, a Hyundai sales rep told me yesterday the 2009 Azera (now available) has a revised suspension, so maybe Hyundai has addressed this issue on the Azera.
So why bother publishing these bare bone previews? I suspect because it may have something to do with the pent up demand for specific details on Genesis. This has helped Hyundai create a well orchestrated pre-market dribble, dribble, release of non-specific, yet some what specific details, regarding the Genesis, for which it has masterfully hyped quite successfully, as the desire for even more information about this U.S. spec Korean luxury sedan persist.
This impression is made even more self evident because both MT and Automobile, having realized this, have promised full blown reviews which are already scheduled for their upcoming August issues. This impressed upon me how important the automotive media considers Genesis. Neither preview commented on how well they perceived the Genesis would compare against the new Pontiac G8, current Chrysler 300, New Maxima or Lexus ES350, cars likely to be its main competitive rivals.
However, there were some useful insights that I garnered from these early previews. Namely, the Genesis can hold its own in terms of delivering on the claim of luxury amenities from the Lexus like ride, and the suspension, to the overall fit and finish one equates with a luxury sedan. It also seems to be on par with overall ride and comfort.
I found it amusing that one of the more curious comments came from the Automobile mag reviewer who quibbled dubiously about whether the Lexicon sound system could match or equal the Lexus Mark Levinson’s by boasting, "An optional 500-watt Lexicon stereo might not be the equal of the Mark Levinson's system offered by Lexus, but it will meet the expectations of all but the pickiest audiophiles, and there's easy access to the equalizer function." Don’t forget the operative word here is “might” which was most likely provoked by this reviewer’s "wow" realization that “I can’t believe this is a Hyundai” deer-in-headlight remark.
As the reviews begin to trickle in on Genesis, I expect to read more of this sort of over-bitten hyperbole from established mainstream media types who have yet to get past their jaded memories of Hyundais from the ‘80s and ‘90s. Perhaps the Genesis will force them to get up to speed on the major transformations that have re-shaped Hyundai both on an engineering and technological scale.
Nothing more to ‘Think About’. Yes, imagine Hyundai.
http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/
The Hyundai Genesis sedan won’t launch in the U.S. until later this summer but Hyundai says that dealers have already presold 700 units of its luxury car along with more than 20,000 customers who have expressed interest in the car.
Hyundai will spend more than $80 million on a marketing campaign for the new Genesis - the most it has spent to launch any vehicle in the U.S. The Korean automaker plans to sell only 30,000 in the first year with pricing to be between $30,000 and $40,000.
“Genesis will help sell all Hyundai vehicles,” said Joel Ewanick, vice president of marketing for Hyundai Motor America. “This car will allow us to reach new customers and talk up quality like we never have.”
Hyundai will offer the Genesis in a variety of powertrains choices including a 3.3L V6 that produces 268 horsepower and a 3.8L V6 that produces 290 horsepower and a peak torque of 264 lb-ft. The range topper Tau 4.6L V8 produces 375 horsepower giving the Genesis the ability to do 0-60 in less than six seconds.
Sources: http://www.carsbuynews.com/2008/05/26/700-preorders-for-hyundai-genesis/
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/05/26/hyundai-has-already-presold-700-genesis-sed- - ans-in-us/
http://www.topspeed.com/
Driving The Genesis
Our estimate for the base price of a 2009 Hyundai Genesis V8 is $40,000-$45,000,
Base price? I thought a fully loaded V8 was to be under 40K.
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I think this one sentence is the best depiction of Genesis so far.
...not much for the Germans but enought for the Japanese.
You don't know much about the M45, do you?
I love the car.
The Genesis looks like a great first luxury car for Hyundai, but they aren't even positioning it as a performance sedan. It's going to be really interesting to see how it does in this market.
Azera's and Veracruz's are selling $5-7k below msrp all day long. Enter Genesis.
V6 Genesis to start at $29,500 (so Hyundai can keep its promise) and tops out at $36k. The V8 Genesis would start at around $36k and tops out at around $41k.
I guess we'll find out soon...
this review really makes me eager to drive the Gen. either
Azera's and Veracruz's are selling $5-7k below msrp all day long. Enter Genesis.
Well, in response to that, we all know It's a competive market. The local Honda store in my area is advertising $4000-5000 off all 2008 Pilot and Odyessy minvans.
With 375hp, I can see people paying low 42-44k for a top of the line Genesis. The V6 @ mid 30's loaded all the way up.
That same car is 15-20k more with a Lexus badge on it.
I sat inside of a 80k Lexus 460, and the interior was nothing to write home about. I felt it was a really large Toyota Camry that was all decked out.
Hyundai Genesis luxury sedan to start at $33,000
LOS ANGELES -- Hyundai Motor America has priced the new Genesis luxury sedan at $33,000 for the V-6 version and $38,000 for the V-8. Both prices include shipping. The Genesis, Hyundai’s first luxury sedan, is to arrive in dealerships in June. The V-6 version has a 290-hp 3.8-liter engine that is EPA-rated at 18 mpg in the city and 28 mpg on the highway.
Regards,
OW
About the $38k for the V8, is that the fully loaded or base version? If that's the base then it's guaranteed that a fully loaded V8 Genesis would break the $40k barrier (which A LOT of Hyundai faithfuls think it wouldn't).
Genesis pricing
Regards,
OW
Oh just a hunch...the weak US dollars had a lot to do with the pricing.
Great value 30K or 33k.
In a word, YES it does.
The 4.6 V8 does have this feature as shown in the nice interior pictures available at:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/27/first-drive-2009-hyundai-genesis-sedan/
HTHs
Perhaps we'll also see some great lease deals as well. I'm very interested in driving this car.
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"Hyundai says that dealers have already presold 700 units of its luxury car along with more than 20,000 customers who have expressed interest in the car."
Sources:
http://www.carsbuynews.com/2008/05/26/700-...yundai-genesis/
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/05/26/hyund...s-sedans-in-us/
http://www.topspeed.com/