Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

fedlawman

Woo Hoo, it's official!

An anonymous Hyundai "insider" passing info to a C&D staffer by the water fountain is as good as Company Letterhead in my book!

palmsprings

I luv my genesis 4.6. 2 speeding tickets so far. even with 4 people, never lacked for power.
improvements for genesis. 1. bluetooth microphone for passenger. 2. automatic trunk opener for the ladies. 3. more storage. 4. extra dc outlet and or 110 outlet. 5. split fold down for rear seats. 6. improve nav system. garmins is better. 7. button located at trunk exterior to open/close automatically. 8. massage seats for driver/passenger. 9. personally, I like a softer, ride. 10. better stock tires. 11. internet capability for second screen in front. 12. front face parking camera. 13. trunk should have side cabinets.

dborth

"the missing cover under the rear deck and the lack of a cooled passenger seat"
power folding side mirrors, overhead sunglass compartment, both found on Azera.

toye

My Genesis does have the over under the rear deck, overhead sunglass compartment. My past 2006 Azera did have the power folded side mirrors.

toye

http://www.ocregister.comarticles/krafcik-car-ocr-2433698-thinkgoing

This is an agressive company that wants people's business!!!

bobad

I fixed the link, where a "/" was omitted

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/krafcik-car-ocr-2433698-thinkgoing

It's interssting that while other makers are pulling in their horns, Hyundai will be launching seven new models in the next 24 months.

toye

Thanks

toye

Basically a brand new lineup of cars!!! Impressive for any company in good times or bad. Don't be surprised if Genesis becomes a luxury sub brand sooner than later, with Equus becomes the flagship. As I've said in posts before.

carolinabob

:confuse: I give up. Some people just can't handle the truth.

bobad

Don't be surprised if Genesis becomes a luxury sub brand sooner than later, with Equus becomes the flagship. As I've said in posts before.

I think Hyundai already has a premium and basic brand. That would be Hyundai and Kia respectively. All they need to do is allot Genesis and Equus only to dealers that are equipped and willing to dispense premium service.

fedlawman

A friend of mine in Washington D.C. (I can't reveal his identity because he's a high ranking member of the Obama Administration) told me the President and Treasury Secretary are proposing a federal tax rebate for Fiscal Year 2010. In it's current stage, it consists of an $800 - $1,200 rebate for single filers ($1,600 - $2,400 for married couples filing jointly). It also includes $1,000 per child per household. The rebates will be reduced progressively for single filers earning more $75,000 ($110,000 for married couples). The plan is close to completion (the final figures need to be confirmed) and the rate tables are scheduled for a late summer or early fall 2009 release.

If I posted this on 100 well known financial discussion forums and blogs, included charts and powerpoint slides with IRS logos and graphics, pointed out that I am a 15 year veteran of the Treasury Department (IRS) and currently a regional supervisor, and said that the source works directly under Neal Wolin (Deputy Secretary of the Treasury), do you think it might be deemed credible information? Could a few people interpret it as the truth? Is it the truth?

bobad

Don't be surprised if Genesis becomes a luxury sub brand sooner than later, with Equus becomes the flagship. As I've said in posts before.

I think Hyundai already has a premium and basic brand. That would be Hyundai and Kia respectively. All they need to do is allot Genesis and Equus only to dealers that are equipped and willing to dispense premium service.

colegar

I have posted an update at 5,000 mile intervals (approximately). Since there is not much to report this time that I have not said in my previous posts, I will only mention the highlights:
* Rock-solid build quality.
* Roomy, comfortable, well appointed interior.
* Great ride on smooth roads ... stiff, bouncy ride on rough streets. No, it is not just "perception". In Hyundai's efforts to make it "sporty", they failed to make the ride firm but compliant.
* Corners nice and flat in the mountain curves
* Terrific engine for a V-6 ... very quick, great torque. First time I have ever considered a V-8 to be superfluous ... and I have driven the V-8 Genesis.
* Great transmission, especially for spirited driving.
* Excellent highway gas mileage for such a big car (28 to 31 MPG at 80 MPH).
* Contrary to some other posts, I am pleased with the original tires. I keep them rotated but have never had them balanced and they are still 100% vibration free. I will make it to at least 35k before they are down to the wear indicators (or to the top of Abe Lincoln’s head). The only reason I may switch to Michelins is to see if the ride improves on rough streets.

Not that anyone will care, but I am losing interest in this forum. It has evolved into useless chatter about the rumored Equus rather than informative, factual Genesis owner experiences. I am surprised that the hosts are not directing the Equus discussion to a separate forum. Just my perspective!

allmet33

Wow...you sure want a lot for the little money you're spending (in comparison to the cars of the premium makes).

bobad

Colegar,

Thank you. Great info. Credible personal experience with Genesis is exactly what I'm looking for. Looking forward to your next 5000 mile report.

captain2

All they need to do is allot Genesis and Equus only to dealers that are equipped and willing to dispense premium service.
Now this might actually work IF they can figure out some way to effectively segregate the customers at the qualifying dealers IMO. There is something about buyers that can put that kind of money up for a car - they are uncomfortable surrounded by those folks that have difficulty figuring out a way to qualify to buy a $10k Accent (or whatever).

miklo

Thanks for update and please let us know about change of tires. I got my Genesis in January but only have 2780 miles so its gonna take me awhile before I need to change tires. BTW I agree with you comment about the rambles about the Equus but, sometimes chat sites need to grow and figure out how it works. So I hope you stay with us. I sure understand your feelings about the ride on rough streets, but for me I still find it acceptable. Don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t complain if it was smoother, I just feel that its not a deal breaker 4me.As I have said before I love this car, after buying my first new car in 1969 as you can imagine I have had many, many cars over the years. My last car was a STS Cady,and have owned BMW,Lexus,Lincolns....etc.What I have discovered about this car is that 4my money its gotta be one of the best if not the best. Great style,quality,and more. I will admit its not perfect but I really have no major complaints and the price made it even more attractable. For a comparison recently I drove a few different (borrowed)luxury cars on the same route a few times and do feel the difference in the ride and the way the cars took the bumps, in fact they were all different but most were what I would say is acceptable. Its almost the same as when I see a beautiful girl, at first I see her as perfect and as time goes on I find "flaws" which I have come to believe live mostly in my head.(I mean no disrespect to women with this comment, the same could be said about a painting or other things)So that’s my take on the car and I hope to hear from more owners about their own experiences with the Genesis.

MIKLO

bobad

Captain, maybe those Accent buyers are future Genesis owners. What's wrong with future Genesis owners? You may be one yourself!

captain2

IMO the 'usual' Hyundai dealer remains a serious obstacle for those buyers that might expect more for their 30 or 40 large. Not too long ago I was shopping the Azera and was greeted by a 20 something know nothing salesman that seemed to only be acquainted with how CHEAP his products were relative to the Avalon I drove up in, for example. It has seemed that Hyundai is THE training ground for newbie know nothing sales people since day one. Irritating for me and NOT the way to sell a relatively expensive automobile IMO.
And you are right - if I can see my way past the way the Genesis is sold - I might even figure out a way to buy one

gensiscan

Bonjour Colegar,

I hope you will be keep posting for two reasons;
1- Because you help me to buy my Genesis 2 months ago, like many people my mental perception of Hyundai versus Lexus, MB, BMW is present and not as positive as i we like. And to spend $40k on a brand name not as solid as others it took a few road test and people like you to covince me on this gamble. And for now i am very happy with this experience of the sedan-v6.
2- Because i am sure a lot of people prefer to read post and don't participate to forums, for those you might be helpful too.

QUESTIONS for you (2):
1- you seem to do a lot a mileage, are you using SYNTHETIC OIL ? if yes what is your frequency for changing engien oil ?
2- about tires, by what i read "michelin MXV4" seem to be a good choice for you're new set. Let us know what have you consider, and you're final choice when the moment will come to do the change

For my self i am close to 5000 miles. Nothing negative to claim, the ride is sporty like i fond in my road test, i accept it and prefer this ride then the ES350 offer. I still got a little thing bother me, is the car still slighly pulling left on highwayt. The dealer said he fix it, but not sure of it.
About that, yesterdar the check engine went up for 1 hour, but after putting gas in the car, the check engine went off....i thing my gas-cap was involve.

Hope to read you again at 30,000 miles

Merci

colegar

REPLYING TO GENSISCAN

I agree with your overall perception of the Genesis and how it stacks up against the competition. I am a happy owner but I try to be objective in my posts on this forum, both good and bad. Beware of those who advocate that the Genesis is either "perfect" or "a piece of junk"! In my opinion, it is the best bang for the buck for a luxury sedan.

I do think that Hyundai will have to tweak the suspension to make the ride more compliant on less than perfect roads. I would not want them to make it a mushy ride like a Lincoln Town Car, etc, but I would like to see them simulate the ride of a 5-series BMW or even an E-class Mercedes (I have owned both). I have no inside information, but I would bet that Hyundai has already tweaked the suspension for 2010 model year.

Regarding oil, I have always used Mobil 1 synthetic in previous cars that had recommended change intervals of 10,000 miles or above, or if they had oil monitoring systems like Mercedes or BMW. However, since the recommended change interval for the Genesis is only 7,500 miles, I use regular Castrol oil. The engine is usually loafing along at approximately 1,800 RPM without any exorbitant heat or stress, so I think it is throwing money away to use synthetic oil.

Regarding tires, I would consider the Michelin Pilot HX MXM4. Also, I have seen some good ratings for the Pirelli PZero Nero All Season. The best way I have found to compare tires is on TireRack.com.

miklo

Well said and thanks for your input.I agree its not a perfect car,its just a really good car for the money IMHO.I am planning a road trip in my Genesis in the near future and will give update.Although I have seen many people say things that I think are way off base overall I have gotten some good info here.

MIKLO

toye

Genesis still sold over 2000 for May with very little incentives. Every other car seems to have huge discounts and this says alot about Genesis in this market. People are willing to pay for this automobile.

This may mean that Genesis is holding its value better than any Hyundai before it.

hky

Anyone wants to share their ipod integration experience on Genesis w/ tech pkg?

1) First, it only display the song title at the top screen, is there any way to display the artist, album information?

2) While in the ipod screen, if I change to phone, maps, or anything else, stop/start the car again, with the exception of the song title at the top. It will not go back to the same ipod album/song screen again, it will stay in the top level. Is there a way to "sync" to the same screen album/song.

3) Is there a way to shuffle album/songs... don't seem to find a way to do it.

4). I left the ipod in the car all the time, sometimes it just won't play when I restart the car and I have to either reconnect the ipod or change to other menu and come back then eventually it start playing again.. wierd but happens quite often

I love everything else on the Genesis

carolinabob

Holding its value? Way too early to tell. Don't forget the Azera and Vera Cruz received extremely good reviews and were highly marketed by Hyundai. Values plumeted anyway.
Lots are being sold because it is a brand new model for Hyundai and being offered at a low cost and has good reviews so far. Based on this and other sites, it is also being discounted as much as, if not more, than its competitors, but not necessarily by Hyundai directly.
2000 divided by 50 states = 40 per state. Probably an average of 10 dealers per state = 4 cars each. Not a lot of cars in reality.

gensiscan

Bonjour Colegar,

Regarding your comment on engine oil, one question came up into my mind.

You wrote "since the recommended change interval for the Genesis is only 7,500 miles"

I stick for a while on 7500 miles interval. After contacting a dealer he told me that 3750 was the mileage recommend by Hyundaï for the engine oil change.

So is your 7500 number, was determine by somebody or an owner manual ?
Or it was a typing error ?
Or is what you determine by yourself considering that the engine have a RPM most of the time under 2000rpm ?

Just wondering how you came up with this number ? :confuse:

Have a good week-end.

Personnal comment on Mister Roger Federer, i wish him good vibration for the Roland-Garros open.

tjc78

Not a lot of cars in reality.

I live in NJ right outside Philly (heavily populated) and I can count on one hand how many I have seen... and one is my own and someone a few blocks over. I don't ever see the Genesis being sold in huge volumes. Just my opinion!

colegar

The owner’s manual specifies the oil change interval to be 7,500 miles for "normal" driving and conditions. I don't have my manual handy right now but I believe that the 3,750 mile interval that your dealer is referring to is only applicable under severe driving or conditions, i.e. frequently "hot-rodding" your car or driving on dusty roads, etc. Almost every dealer (including mine) will imply that you should get it serviced more than the factory stipulations. They will also try to sell you on things like fuel injection service at frequent intervals. Most of the service writers are encouraged to sell the customer on as many services as they can without just flat-out lying. My guess is that the service department is the main source of income for most dealers, rather than the profit margin on new cars.

Today's cars (not just Hyundai), combined with modern lubricant technology, facilitate much longer service intervals than in the old days when everyone was supposed to get the oil and filter changed every 2,000 miles.

I should add the caveat that I am not a mechanic and so I do not pretend to be an authority on engines and drive trains. I do, however, drive a tremendous amount of miles and I really take care of my vehicles. I have never had any issues related to oil breakdown or abnormal engine wear. In fact, I can't even remember the last time I ever needed to add a quart of oil between factory recommended service schedules.

miklo

I sure agree with your comments.Strange I got a post card from my dealer that it was time to change the oil at 3000 miles,then I informed them that the dealer gives me free oil change at every 5000 miles for as long as I own the car.The owners manuel does say up to 7,500 miles for oil change,so I gues its a pick the one you like......LOL.In fact Im comfortable with getting my"free" oil change every 5000 mile from the dealer,and at that time he can try and sell me anything he wants to but wont be sucessful.........BTW I love my new Genesis and only have 2893 miles so I got awhile to go B4 5000.

MIKLO

carolinabob

Chaniging oil at 3,000 miles is a con used by almost all car dealers these days. I have had Ford, Mazda, Toyota, etc. dealers tell me every 3,000 miles regardless of use.
I change it every 5,000 miles because it is easy to remember, but whatever the owners manual says is what is correct.
You can add every 3,000 miles to the fuel injector cleaning, various "flushings", etc. that dealers use now to try to rip us off.
Do ONLY what the owners manual calls for and you are 100% in compliance.

bobad

I agree Bob. Even the manufacturers fudge a bit. They recommend 10W20 motor oil not because it's best for the engine, but to help them acheive the targeted CAFE mileage standard. 10W30 is better oil for normal use in my V6 Sonata, and that's what I use.

fedlawman

If you live in a cold climate, a 10W-xx oil might be too thick for winter. During freezing weather, a 0W or 5W motor oil would be a better choice.

Here in the Pacific NW, I use 0W-40 synthetic year-round in all of my cars (4 cyl BMW, 5 cyl Volvo, 6 cyl Ford). It's got me covered in the coldest of winter and the warmest of summer.

miklo

I had same problem with an older iPod touch,I gave this iPod to a friend and bought a new one and it has solved the problems. The new iPod works flawlessly.Although this may not be a good fix for everyone its my experience. BTW I gave my older iPod to a friends son because his got stolen.I know 3 or 4 hundred bucks for new unit may not be possible for everyone, but my guess is that its the newer units that they used for testing to see how it integrated with Genesis. Of course even the new iPod doesn't do everything I think it should do.It appears this is an area that they didn't spend a lot of time on or think it was a important issue.I feel they were wrong! Everything including the iPod should work seamlessly and have all the bells,whistles, and gongs.I have around 800 tunes on my pod and it is a hassle to find things that I wanna hear right now.......yeah I know I can shuffle the tunes but that's not what I want.Anyway it is a minor issue 2me but still an issue.

MIKLO

stanco

Dear Miklo,

Really would like to know the brand and model # of your new ipod to be sure I'm
not making a $xxx.00 mistake.

thx much.

Stanco

toye

A recent report from Automotive Lease Guide which specializes in used car and trade in values said Hyundai is estimated to register the highest gain in brand value this year among all makers.

Again more evidence of Hyundai shaking off it's past poor resale values. The Genesis may be leading the way!

poodog13

Has anyone out there had any experiences in snow with their Genesis so far? I live in Pittsburgh, and not only do we get a fair amount of winter weather, but this area is EXTREMELY hilly. I have to go up a big hill just to leave my house.

With that being the case, I'm a bit worried about the lack of an AWD option, and am curious if anyone has had experience in similar conditions and how the RWD model performed.

allmet33

Check this out...

Day-by-Day Review: 2009 Hyundai Genesis Sedan

carolinabob

Interesting - if you live in snow country. However, I question the validity of anyone who thinks you can make enough off mutual funds in 4-5 years to buy another Gernesis.

allmet33

Well, I'm sure there will be plenty of Genesis owners in areas that will benefit from that bit of info. I think most folks in the northern states believe in snow tires anyway for winter. Here in the DC area, you can get by with a really good set of all-seaon tires with no problems at all. :shades:

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billod

Can anyone tell me if the tan leather interior can be optioned with the light color wood trim? From what I see from the brochures (and the dealer), the wood color with the tan leather looks like black plastic. It does nothing to compliment the leather seating. The lighter color wood trim only seems to be available with the black leather or the "burnt orange" leather interior. Am I right about this??

carolinabob

I've been in about six of them and it appears to me that they may use different color combinations at different times. You would really need to see the actual car to be sure.
I assume you are not talking about the "wood" dash on the base car. In the brocure it looks really dark, but in person, it is lighter. The leather inserts on the dash also seem to be different colors at different times.

miklo

Stanco,
It is a model A1288 16GB iPod touch of course by Apple.Im not quite sure what other info you want or need but, please let me know I will be happy to help in any way I can.The only noticeable difference is my new model is thinner and the corners are rounded.Software ver: 2.2.1...... Good luck and let us know.

MIKLO

hky

Other forums on genesis ipod indicates that the ipod integration especially the tech model is subpar and some functionalities are in fact not there. Hope Hyundai will find a way to update the software..

http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/tags.php?tag=ipod

hky

captain2

A recent report from Automotive Lease Guide which specializes in used car and trade in values said Hyundai is estimated to register the highest gain in brand value this year among all makers.

While I have no doubt that Hyundai is slowly but surely losing some of that Korean car lustre (or lack of it) - also note that it is much much easier to have the 'highest gain in brand value' when you are starting at the bottom of the pack and have no place to go but up. Honda and/or Toyota could never compete in this kind of sweepstakes, could they?
Would love a link to the Lease guide numbers you reference though. Combine Hyundai's traditional 'value' pricing along with some reasonable value retention and you really will have superior 'bang for the buck'.

backy

Bear in mind though as Hyundai's value retention increases, so will the prices for new Hyundais. Those prices have already come up considerably from just a few years ago, as the brand has gained more acceptance.

Who would have imagined five years ago that Hyundai would be able to sell $40k sedans with no manufacturer-to-consumer rebates?

toye

Captain12

I can't find the article that I quoted from but I did go into the following website:

https://www.alg.com/DepreciationRatings

It has most Hyundai products in the middle of the pack. Not at the bottom that you have suggested.

tenpin288

Try here under "Top Brand Improvers"

https://www.alg.com/FreeRVRNewsletter

:shades:

tjc78

with no manufacturer-to-consumer rebates?

What about the $1000 rebate on leases doesn't that count? In these times there is nothing selling without rebates/finance specials or both.

miklo

Yeah I sure agree with the term sub-par but,my newer iPod does seem to work much better although still kind of a let down.I have found some work arounds for many issues but it shouldn't really be this way.My hope is that Hyundai will address this and any other "flaws" that customers wish to see resolved.BTW it still beats the old 4&8 track tapes.......back in the day......lol

MIKLO