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Here is a good read, pretty impressive towards the end.
http://www.thehyway.com/Hyundai_History.htm
The same founder of the car is also the founder of one of if not the largest ship building companies. Did I mention Heavy Equipment for construction applications.
Not to shabby since millions of Koreans were dirt poor after the Korean War.
I am trading in my Chevy for a Genesis. I can only imagine the hit I'm going to take with my Chevy!
No car is immune to issues, troubles, or different tastes. But the Genesis has hit just a right cord, at the right time, appealing to a broader set of consumers.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
1: Its simply the quietest car I have ever driven.
2: Very comfortable, supportive seating
3: Great features, Lexicon mid grade system very nice (although needed some tuning to sound its best) every car should have auto windshield wipers
4: Great fit and finish
5: MPG hovering around 19.5 - 20.5 (all city or gridlock hwy)
6: Handles very well for a big car
The bad:
1: No doubt the ride can get "unsettled" at times
2: Steering needs to be damped better, bumps in the road transmit too much through the wheel.
3: Power... this car simply doesn't feel like 290 HP to me. Hyundai should go get a Toyota 2GR (3.5) and see what I am talking about. My '06 Avalon never felt like it needed more power depsite having 22 less HP than the Genesis. Also, the Toyota motor was much more willing to rev and had more low end grunt. Maybe it will get better once really broken in??
4: petty I admit, but the water dripping into the trunk when you open it with water on it is annoying.
Maybe I am being a touch too critical with some things. Overall, the Gen is a great value and an overall good car. I am just getting used to a sportier tuned ride as I have driven soft riding Toyotas (Solara, and 2 Avalons) for ten years. Only time will tell which I like better. As of right now, I have to say I miss my '06 Avalon. I am hoping that will change as I get used to the Genesis.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
I don't know where you got your figures from, but I really don't know where you figure it cost me $3000 to own my car. :confuse:
The only money I put into it was with oil changes, a few transmission flushes, brake pads, battery & wiper blades. If all of that cost me $3000/year, then I must've been shopping at the wrong stores!!!
Your Accord was 9 years old with 102k miles on it. My Sonata was 4 years old with 105k miles on it...for me to get $5k for it was phenomenal.
My V6 has the plastic tray but no cover for the speaker. Its not a big deal for me. I also think the cover may reduce the bass from the sound system slightly as the sub would have less airspace to use.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
From what I gather the dealer will do it at no cost.
Thanks.
Speaker Cover in Trunk
re: fedlawman's Honda
this is just simple math - gross depreciation divided by no. of years owned, entirely believeable numbers in your case - and in his. Has nothing to do with maintanence or other operational costs, in his example.
It should however be noted that how much anybody gets for something on trade will often have little to do with what that something is actually worth. Sell it (or buy it) for cash (or privately) then you know a 'true' value.
As I said earlier, if a dealer knows that a perspective buyer is sensitive about the value of his car he will work the numbers in such a way that trade-in values are high and vice versa if its is new car 'discount' that floats a buyer's boat. Honda doesn't tend to discount heavily, so they therefore can allow what appears to be a generous amount on that used Accord - Hyundai does tend to discount heavily and therefore has less room for that Sonata trade-in. Besides which, that used Accord will command a lot more attention (and likely profit) on the used car lot than that Sonata, at any price - and the dealer knows it.
Hondas, especially, are in a completely different league than about anybody else when it comes to residual values, and likely will remain so as long as that brand continues to police the prices that its products are sold for and further, keeps its products away from the rental fleets.
So now largest = best? I guess then Toyota must therefore be the 'best' simply because they are now #1 ? A debatable position, at best.
Samsung, just like Hyundai, has acquired its market share much in a typically Korean fashion, selling arguably 'comparable' products CHEAPER and was initially met with a bunch of consumer resistance - that "Korean" name thing again. LG has done a good job 'hiding' its origins perhaps because of its decidedly 'Anglo' sounding name, while Samsung has earned its acceptability as you note- something that Hyundai (who also is in the electronics business BTW) can only aspire to right now.
IMO the Genesis would do better ( and command a higher price) if Hyundai had sought to disguise its Korean origins instead of flaunting them.
There are far too many people complaining about the Genesis suspension for it not to be an issue - both consumers and professionals. If not an issue, why else did they revise it already and plan for another revision on the 2010 model? This comes directly from HMA. Hopefully they will get it right and it will be a great car.
It is NOT a Lexus, Infiniti or Acura - maybe some day, but not now.
It is a very well equipped car for less money.
If you like the ride and trust the car, go for it. But don't try to make it something it is not.
If someone is willing to pay a premium for the cache of a name, let them. The number of $500 purses being carried by young women who make less than $30k per year certainly speaks to the fact that there are many out there who feel this way, perhaps even the majority.
Me, I take a product on its own merits. Quality is one important attribute, value is another. Take all the things that are important to you, and whereever the lines intersect, that's your choice!
The topic is Hyundai Genesis Sedan. Remember? :confuse:
I've owned my 4.6 Tech since February and admit the suspension could be a bit better, but for the money I paid there just isn't another car on the market like it. Other than that MINOR complaint, there simply isn't anything else I can complain about. We're talking about a 375HP, rear wheel V8 that averages over 25mpg on the highway!!! Show me another car this classy, at this price, that can boast that.
Congrats to all of us who took the plunge!!!
Yes - and one look at the disaster area Detroit has become will tell you why. No real reason for it either - other than greed. Can you imagine what we all would be saying if the Genesis was instead some sort of luxo 'Impala' - or Crown Vic? They would be selling at least 10k vehicles a month and folks would be on waiting lists....
No it doesn't. However, Samsung was practically unknown 15 years ago, and is now the biggest. Many of their products are widely acknowledged to be the best in their category. Hyundai and other Korean manufacturers know the formula to defeat Japan, and they will do so. The USA also knows the formula, but we let politics get in our way. Someone will come along and knock Hyundai off, then they will get knocked off. It's called competition, and it's good. Don't bemoan the fact that a $40K Hyundai is as good as a $60K Japanese or German car. Take advantage of it! It's only temporary.
You paid $17K and sold it for $5K. That equals $12K. Divided by the 4 years you owned it equals $3000 per year.
"Your Accord was 9 years old with 102k miles on it. My Sonata was 4 years old with 105k miles on it...for me to get $5k for it was phenomenal."
What's phenomenal is that a 9 year-old Accord was worth almost as much as your 4 year-old Sonata! How much would a 9 year-old Sonata fetch? Maybe $1200? How is that phenomenal?
Of course, to get back on topic, I do think the Genesis will change things for Hyundai. The Sonata, Azera, et al are a completely different breed, and while they're nice enough cars, they have no real exceptional qualities except price. The Genesis, on the other hand, is a grand slam for Hyundai, and stands alone as the one car from Korea that can play with the luxury marques on a level field. I predict the Genesis will be the turning point for Hyundai as a brand in the US.
never read any test, review, expert opinion, or anything else that would dare make this contention. Has it been highly rated for what it is relative to what it costs - certainly, (as it should) but there remains quite a few differences primarily in the refinement areas.
Maybe you just have a different set of standards.
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Is it possible that people who are wealthy hate the idea that a middle class person could afford a luxury sedan? I'm sure that one could buy a Genesis for $30,000.
While the Genesis is a very nice car, and a great value for what you get....
if price was not a factor, the Genesis would lose out to most $50,000 and up
Japanese and German cars....This is of course, only my opinion....
My lease is ending soon, and I've driven quite a few cars lately.....
In no particular order.....
Infiniti M45 and M35
Audi A6 and S5
BMW 535 and 335
Acura RL and TL
Cadillac CTS and CTS-V
Lincoln MKS
Lexus GS460 and GS350
Disregarding price differences, I would take any of these over the Genesis except the MKS, and the TL.....and possibly the GS350.....
I'm not bashing the Genesis at all.... It is a beautiful car....and a tremendous first effort in this segment....
But the overall package, the dealers, the suspension issues, etc.....
well...
I just think they need a little more time to get everything together....
And for my next car, in 36 months, I will definitely stop by the Hyundai dealer to see what they have to offer....
Shell
I guess this professional reviewer as low standards too. sheesh!
cars.about.com
Allow me to start with a disclaimer: I am not lying. I am only pointing that out because I expect a large number of readers not to believe me when I talk about how good the Hyundai Genesis is. There are a lot of people who are convinced that Hyundai simply cannot build a decent car. Not that I blame them; twenty years ago Hyundai was peddling the Excel, a car that cost $45 to build and was made out of compressed squirrel turds. Who in their right mind would believe that Hyundai could come so far, so fast?
For those who are inclined to believe me, I'll give you the short version: The Genesis Sedan is a Lexus. It drives like a Lexus. It coddles you like a Lexus. It even smells like a Lexus. It's a $33,000 Lexus, unless you go for the V8 model, in which case it's a $38,000 Lexus with the engine from a $60,000 Mercedes.
Actually let me post some more cause I LOVE reading what PROFESSIONALS have to say compared to what AMATEURS have to say INCLUDING MYSELF!
thecarconnection.com
Reviewers were at odds about assembly quality and the fine details of the 2009 Hyundai Genesis. “Fit and finish, stitching, touch, materials, and integration are all very good,” raved Autoblog, keeping in mind the under-$40,000 price tag for the V-8.
Conclusion
The plush 2009 Hyundai Genesis is one of the roomiest and quietest large sedans, with interior trim that rivals top luxury brands.
I LOVE my Genesis...
(Since I've been quoting alot of what professionals have to say...I'll add here what I hate...yes hate about MY Genesis.
My pet peeves on this car:
The chromed finish vent in the front are blinding when the sun hits it!
The Navigation has very little detail when you zoom out. It removes detail way to early.
The ESC does NOT completely turn off.
The Dunlop tires SUCK!
You see I admit that the Genesis is not perfect...BUT...to me it is pretty dam close!
Compared to everything else I tried (Everything else was MORE EXPENSIVE), it's the best one of the bunch!
NO way the OTHER cars costing soo much more were justifiable to pay the difference...no way!!!
Of course this is just my opinion...a regular Joe's opinion!
Regards,
FACT: GENESIS is car of year..........so is this wrong?
I understand different ppl like different things in a car or any other product.Its a Genesis and not any other car its being compared with,it looks different and is different but IMO its a good enough car to be in the class that its in.The reason we have such a great country is because ppl can have different opinions and make different choices and if ya got the money ya can buy what you like.Thats why I bought my 2009 Genesis and am very happy with it. Yeah,yeah its not the best car,just a really good car IMO and many others.Yes price did come into play when I made my choice,why,because why spend 50% more for a car when the Genesis will serve my needs and Iam happy with the quality.Aah one other thing.......the money I saved buying this car will be spent on a vacation,and I wont stay in the $500 a nite room but the $200 a nite room and enjoy the same quality and service. Ain't life great?
MIKLO
It's a losing battle....
Of course! At that price there is no way it could complete in the luxury or near luxury market. It would be way too cheap!
Or it could redefine what it takes to be included in those market niches and actually force other manufacturers to stand up and take notice that their markets may be in the process of being (slightly?) redefined for the benefit of the customer. Who knows? :shades:
Discussions about "value" are impossible to resolve. Is a Mercedes E-Class worth $20,000 more than a Genesis? Is a Genesis worth $10,000 more than a Toyota Camry? Is a Camry worth $5000 more than a Kia Optima?
Is there a difference between an E350 and a Genesis? Absolutely. Is the difference worth a $20,000 premium? Maybe, maybe not.
I think there are three basic consumers here. Some who find the Genesis to be just as good as a European car in every way that matters to them. For them, slam dunk - save your money and buy the Hyundai.
For others, the superior build quality, styling, road manners, dealer experience, etc. of the European car make the Genesis unacceptable.
Most people, I suspect, are somewhere in the middle. They perceive the difference between the two, but ultimately must make a value call to decide if the European experience is worth the premium. It's a highly personal and emotional choice.
if you can drive that 535, that E350, that GS, or M (or whatever) and not know the difference then plainly they are NOT superior.
My standards for reliability are very high. That's why I won't be buying another German car until their reliability improves.
Hi sergio19
Actually the ESC can be 'completely' turned off... :shades:
Being a Genesis owner not sure if you have been to this forum;
Genesis Owners
As far as you’re other issues;
My pet peeves on this car:
- Maybe it too loves your car...
The chromed finish vent in the front are blinding when the sun hits it!
- People are working on a tinting solution...
The Navigation has very little detail when you zoom out. It removes detail way too early.
- Not sure about that one :confuse: Most GPS system begin to lose detail if one zooms out beyond 700 feet....
The Dunlop tires SUCK!
- That one is matter of taste - My V8 is glued to road even taking a 90 degree turn at 40mph+ ...
Loves everything about the Genesis, if there is any enhancement I would wish for, is user adjustable electronic suspension and that is about the only thing that would make me upgrade when my lease is up..
Yes I know I do go/post on that forum...I'm the one who put the sub in the spare tire well :shades:
- People are working on a tinting solution...
I hope they find something...BTW All my windows are tinted.
- Not sure about that one Most GPS system begin to lose detail if one zooms out beyond 700 feet....
My Garmin was not that bad.
- That one is matter of taste - My V8 is glued to road even taking a 90 degree turn at 40mph+ ...
Mine to glues to the ground...What I don't like is I find them noisy.
Loves everything about the Genesis,
Me too buddy...me too!
I've had my car for just a little over 2 1/2 months and already have 8,000KM on her.
Can't wait to get in tomorrow
Thanks for writing.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....the real question is, how much would you have gotten if your Accord was 4 years old with that same 102k miles??? You see...the age of the car isn't the major factor here, mileage is. At 102k over 9 years...that's just over 11k miles/year. My sonata endured just over 50k miles/year...in the auto industry, 11k miles/year is much more attractive than 50k miles/year. So imagine how much more I probably would have gotten if my car had only 44k miles on it after 4 years!!! :surprise:
Of course, to get back on topic, I do think the Genesis will change things for Hyundai. The Sonata, Azera, et al are a completely different breed, and while they're nice enough cars, they have no real exceptional qualities except price. The Genesis, on the other hand, is a grand slam for Hyundai, and stands alone as the one car from Korea that can play with the luxury marques on a level field. I predict the Genesis will be the turning point for Hyundai as a brand in the US.
Indeed, you are on the money with this statement.
While I know people who have problems with BMWs, I also know people who have problems with Hyundais. Buying a car is a crap shoot and all the JD Powers stars in the world does not guarantee you a pleasant ownership existence.
2005 Accord LX (4 cyl) 100,000 miles - $6000
2000 Accord LX 100,000 miles - $3300
2005 Sonata GLS (V6) 100,000 miles - $3500
2000 Sonata GLS 100,000 miles - $1650
As you can see, age plays a huge role in resale value. Also, any way you slice it, an Accord is worth almost twice as much as a comparable Sonata.
But again, the point of all this is to say the Sonata's and Santa Fe's of old are not the same cars that Hyundai is currently building. I think the Genesis could usher in a new generation of Hyundai cars where MSRP's and residual values will increase as buyer confidence in the marques quality, prestige, reliability, and resale values increase. The big question is, can Hyundai become another Honda/Acura, or will they become more like Volvo or Jaguar (fine cars that plummet in value after a few years)?
Depreciation is figured off the msrp and when new, the Accord sells close to msrp and the Sonata sells thousands less than msrp. For example, Fitzmall has the Sonata GLS msrp of $21,320. and selling price of $14,999. They do not sell Hondas but their cheapest Camry has an msrp of $21,395. and a selling price of $18,319. I think you would be hard pressed to buy a new Accord LX for that price anywhere.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
And of course, as has already been mentioned, the longer you keep a car, the less important resale value becomes. So after several years of ownership, the total cost of ownership for the Hyundai will meet orbeat a comparable Honda.
In the end, all it shows is that, basically, a Honda costs more upfront to purchase, but really doesn't cost any more to own than a "less expensive" Hyundai - and which car would you rather own for the same cost? Which will be the better car when it's 10 years old?
This last question was easy to answer 5 years ago - Honda all the way. Today, with the Genesis and others on the horizon, this is where Hyundai can make big strides and improve their position in the market.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Your views are perhaps not as bias has they have appeared to be. I'm begining to understand where you are coming from.
In my opinion no other auto company is making stides that Hyundai has in the past decade. They have come a long way and Hyundai is positioning itself for even bigger rewards.
Can anyone ever imagined paying today for a $40k Yugo (Hyundai was only one step above it back in the 80's)
My have times changed.
North American consumers are very fickle - we can be all excited and loyal one minute, and be chanting, "I'm never buying another XYZ car again" the next minute.
VW tried to sell the Phaeton here and failed miserably, but the New Beetle is still a runaway hit. And Mini has almost single-handedly kept the sales numbers for BMW in the black.
The Genesis a good start, but Hyundai has a ways to go. They need to keep the lineup focused and establish a strong foundation/identity below the Genesis (compact, family, crossover/wagon) by exceeding expectations and dominating the rankings they choose to focus on (quality, excitement, economy, etc.). If they do this over the next few years, then they can move away from their current "less expensive and almost as nice as a Japanese car" identity (the Genesis Coupe is an example of this mistake) and truly become a force in NA.
The Genesis is in reality the poor man's version of the mercedez e class (literally) much like Brandon Roy is a poor man's version of say Kobe Bryant if anyone follows basketball.
Whats so great about the Genesis in my opinion is that for the price consumers can't lose(even it were 5k less than the GS). Some who are greedier and richer may want more (Mercedez).
You can definitely compare the Genesis to the Mercedez in regards to the basic requirements of what embodies a luxury large sedan but no doubt when needing to checkmark some extras the merdecez gets the checkmarks and genesis doesn't.
However the equus does put those checkmarks into place and the only thing holding it back from being as good as a mercedez e class has to do with the emblem factor
Hyundai imo is the most dangerous and ambitious car company the industry hasn't seen in a while since Toyota took the industry in a storm 10 years ago