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I will say that if GM, goes chapter 11 and rids themselves of the legacy costs a lot of good folks will lose everything and be out on the street. My grandfather could not work as a greeter at Wal~Mart, because of his health so I guess we better put 2 in him??? :sick: Also I believe Wagoner when he says that GM would not survive a bankruptcy because consumers wouldn't buy GM cars. Those are the facts I hear on the retail side from my customers and I'm in Michigan. Do you think some redneck in Arkansas, is going to buy a new Chevy Truck from a BK GM??? I don't!!!!
-Rocky
Most Americans don't about their fellow Americans that are out of work now !
They just go for the "deal "
In other countries people buy what is made in their country before buying foreign . . . but not here in America.
MARSHA7 :hello , On the shirt example you gave , the person that can't afford to buy more shirts at Wal-Mart ( by buying an American made shirt ) will never be able to because their wages will never go up in America if they keep buying the "deal from China" all the time.
Often you got to spend money to make money !
Like I said before if you need to buy that foreign car AT LEAST buy the one assembled in America and if you need to buy the China shirt realize what you are doing to the American worker & our economy in the process.
Now if we are all willing to work for less then say $ 2.00 an hour this is all mute . . . are you willing to lower your pay and standard of living ?
We all need to draw the line but MANY people ,especially American people with good jobs and making good money ,DON'T CARE as long as they are working.
The heck with everybody else,I GOT A DEAL they say !
I'm not saying you can totally advoid buying foreign products but you got the power to control the process by thinking when you make a purchase how it may affect us all here in America.
It is affecting us . . . in a negative way ,some American people see it and care and some don't care.
Thanks,
Rocky
You can think GM, for that!!!
-Rocky
-Rocky
The bottom line is our cars are as good if not better than the imports. We still have some loose ends that need to be addressed like the Equinox, but the 2010 is unbelievable. It's interior on the the LTZ model will be Acura RDX level or better. The 2010 Buick LaCrosse, as I said is my favorite car made in the world right now. I can't wait until they make a "Super" version of it. I hope they slap a couple of turbo's on the 3.6 "High Feature" V6 which is by the way the best V6 in the world made folks!!!! High Feature is the king of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Rocky
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/09/am.bernero.trade.reform/
-Rocky
-Rocky
Job Losses
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btw, if anyone has any UAW news (or even a girlfriend who works for GM, Ford or Chrysler), please speak up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtN7V60e8zI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj8XR2dzLFc
2010 UAW-MADE Buick LaCrosse :shades: :shades: :shades:
Nothing new from my family members as of yet!!! I usually here the latest from you and then they tell me and I go I already heard that from Steve or another edmunds.com member!!! LOL!!!
-Rocky
P.S. I never told you (Steve) that a former classmate in high school found me because of my edmunds.com NY Times Article on carspace. She was a close friend and now lives in Turkey, and just happened to read the NY Times that October day and said she about spilled her coffee when my name appeared because she had been looking for a way to contact me to get back in touch.
gorgeous!!! :surprise: :shades:
-Rocky
P.S. I will own a new LaCrosse, if everything works out for me. It is just too darn good of a car not to own and I can drive it year around!!! :shades:
That's pretty slick.
Btw, when you sell 3 new GM cars in a week let me know so I can go buy some stock. :shades:
Your going to have to give me some facts to back that claim. Everything I can find on the toyota 4.7 is it's from the UZ engine family that it dates back to the original 4.0L v8 from the 89 LS 400. Where does GM fit in. If it's true that GM designed Toyota's v8's, why hasn't GM's Northstar v8 ever been as good as the Lexus 4L and 4.6L v8's?
Rocky, Your grand dad should be on Medicare like the rest of US poor Union guys. Unless his pension is over $5400 per month he should be protected by PBGC.
-Rocky
The Northstar, IMHO is as good as any Lexus V8. Sure it had problems when it was new but the design dates way back in the the 1980's based off the LT-5 technology and the Lexus V8 came about a few years later if I remember right.
-Rocky
-Rocky
Again as was pointed out this was a $41k car in 1989. I doubt any Buick cost that much back then. I do believe you get what you pay for unless there are back sins to pay for. You know like the Legacy costs.
-Rocky
In what way. It doesn't have as much power w/o a supercharger, it's not as smooth, overall it hasn't been as reliable, and can't match the fuel economy of the Lexus LS460 (comparing with STS). Heck, the LS 460 has higher epa fuel economy ratings than an STS with the 3.6. The only advantage the Northstar has is running on regular fuel.
-Rocky
Your UAW grand dad should be getting a couple grand from SS plus Medicare with maybe $30 per month supplemental. If he cannot get by on $5k per month he is living very high on the hog. Half of American workers do not make $3000 per month let alone $5k.
-Rocky
I have from the start made it clear that GM management are just as stupid as the UAW leaders that promised workers benefits based on future earnings. The government with its printing presses are the only ones that can do that legally. It is a PONZI scheme. All those that signed onto that plan should be in Jail with Madoff.
On that we are in full agreement. I think the whole EPA, and CARB should be abolished and the $160B per year used to pay down the National debt. Most big cars will get high 20s out on the highway. It is the around town miles and jack rabbit starts that kill mileage.
-Rocky
If it was designed by GM, then it would have to be periodically decarboned and you'd be complaining of excessive oil consumption, and you'd probably would have blown a head gasket by now.
-Rocky
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Well I got to hit the rack.
Good night to all!!!
-Rocky
And who's fault is that? That should fall right on the shoulders of the big crook Reuther. He probably took bribes from the D3 to let them keep the pension money. The Teamsters did the right thing though Hoffa did loan it to unscrupulous characters. That is why when the Alaska Teamsters were formed they kept their pension away from the gangsters in the lower 48. Ours is sound. Not sure about the international .
The UAW should have gotten so much per hour and built their own pension fund. It was not rocket science to see what companies like US Steel did with pension money. The UAW workers made their own bed and trusted the D3 to do right by them. Just as you think the government will do right by you. Someday, hopefully not too late you will realize there is only one person you trust in.
How else can I compare them. I'm certainly not going to own an STS or LS anytime soon. If I'm shopping for a car on your lot will you let me run a full tank of gas so I can see what kind of mileage I'll get out of it? Didn't think so.
I know consumer reports doesn't get much respect around here, but I did compare the LS 460 to a 3.6 powered STS (they didn't have results for the 4.6). On their 150 mile loop the STS average 22mpg and the LS460 averaged 25mpg. DTS with northstar returned 20mpg. DTS is has EPA of 15/23. the LS 460 is rated at 18/27. I seriously doubt Lemko is getting anywhere near 30mpg on the hwy w/o driving 50mph.
I can't believe any Northstar powered STS is going to get anywhere near 30mpg w/o driving extremely slow on a long trip. I've never been able to get much over 25mpg out my wife's 07 Grand Prix.
Me either, but at the Chicago autoshow Acura showed a 2010 or 2011 (can't remember which) Acura TSX with the 3.5v6 as an option. That looks to have the potential to be the hottest fwd sedan on the market. I think the TSX is now much better looking than the TL.
There has been a lot of discussion by lemko, Rocky, and others about how good some of the newer D3 offerings are. They have mentioned the new Lacrosse, Lucerne, and various Cadillacs (CTS/DTS/STS), Equinox, and some others.
I am squarely in the demographics some of those vehicles are aimed at – upper 50’s in age, upper middle class income (not to be confused with rich), and yet, except for maybe the CTS, none of those vehicles have any appeal to me.
I am casually shopping for a used vehicle, but am under no time constraint. The ones on my radar screen are a 3 or 5 series BMW, Acura TL, Lexus G35, maybe an Imprezza WR-X, and the CTS. Note there’s only one offering by the D3 in that list. What do those vehicles all have in common? Well, in my mind, they are considered to be fun to drive and handle well, are not overly huge (unlike the Lucerne or bigger Caddy’s), accelerate well, and give decent gas mileage (though that is not an overriding concern).
I did own a ’94 Cadillac Deville (Northstar) for a couple of years. The engine was nice, though I was always disappointed in the mid-teens gas mileage I got commuting to work. But, handling-wise, it was a real pig. No road feel at all – it was like you were driving in a video game. I could just have well been sitting on my living room sofa. On second thought, the Caddy was probably more comfortable than my living room. Not what I am looking for in a car.
I would take a Lacrosse, but only if it were almost given to me. In fact, that was the car I convinced my FIL to buy (’07 model) when he decided to give up his Mercury Marquis -what a boat that was! I steered him in that direction because he’s a die-hard union guy (former CWA), so wanted something from Detroit and, since he may be giving up his license soon, we may be inheriting the Lacrosse and I decided it was something I could at least live with.
And no, I'm not anti-Detroit. Over the years, I have owned a Camaro, Chevy wagon, Ford Fairmont wagon (let's not go into that one), two Dodge Caravans, and a Dodge Dakota PU truck.
I'm not sure that's a good thing.