I will say that if GM, goes chapter 11 and rids themselves of the legacy costs a lot of good folks will lose everything and be out on the street. My grandfather could not work as a greeter at Wal~Mart, because of his health so I guess we better put 2 in him??? :sick: Also I believe Wagoner when he says that GM would not survive a bankruptcy because consumers wouldn't buy GM cars. Those are the facts I hear on the retail side from my customers and I'm in Michigan. Do you think some redneck in Arkansas, is going to buy a new Chevy Truck from a BK GM??? I don't!!!!
GAGRICE : hello ,great on buying the foreign truck with 85 % American content ,but like I said I'll bet most of the people in this group own cars assembled overseas and could care less about the American content or if it was assemble here in America. Most Americans don't about their fellow Americans that are out of work now ! They just go for the "deal " In other countries people buy what is made in their country before buying foreign . . . but not here in America.
MARSHA7 :hello , On the shirt example you gave , the person that can't afford to buy more shirts at Wal-Mart ( by buying an American made shirt ) will never be able to because their wages will never go up in America if they keep buying the "deal from China" all the time. Often you got to spend money to make money !
Like I said before if you need to buy that foreign car AT LEAST buy the one assembled in America and if you need to buy the China shirt realize what you are doing to the American worker & our economy in the process.
Now if we are all willing to work for less then say $ 2.00 an hour this is all mute . . . are you willing to lower your pay and standard of living ?
We all need to draw the line but MANY people ,especially American people with good jobs and making good money ,DON'T CARE as long as they are working. The heck with everybody else,I GOT A DEAL they say !
I'm not saying you can totally advoid buying foreign products but you got the power to control the process by thinking when you make a purchase how it may affect us all here in America. It is affecting us . . . in a negative way ,some American people see it and care and some don't care.
LOL, I can barely keep up with this one UAW forum. I would love too but I've been working way past closing this whole week and haven't taken a full day off since I've started for except Sunday's which every dealership is closed on that day. It's 6 days a week by choice. I took the morning and first part of the afternoon off today to take a corrections officer exam. If I land that job it will change my life forever in a positive way!!! It would solve a lot of problems. But yeah I will try to get over there and post here soon.
I'm not on the Toyota bandwagon BTW, lots of things I don't like about their vehicles and I've never owned one, but powertrain refinement is one of their strengths.
You can think GM, for that!!! The 5.7 V8 they have now is their first V8 they have (Toyota) designed!!! The rest were GM.
Ask gagrice, about the 99 Tacoma, and it's recall!!! :P My customer has a 99' Tacoma, and because the frame is made out of what appears to be the same steel the Chinese, make tools out of which lemko can snap with his bare hands like a tooth pick!!!! :P ....Well they are recalling the whole line-up over safety. Those Mexican non-unioners in Tijuana, are so wonderful they should have caught that quality issue right because you would blame it on a UAW, worker if it was a D3 product!!! :P Well anyways to make a long story short this guy is suppose to get 1.5 his book value. This ugly pile had 290K on it and the book value on it was still $6,500 and we honestly would have a tough time giving him $500 bucks for it. He was looking at our pre-owned Ranger/Colorado and test drove the Ranger FX4. I told him they both were good trucks which is the truth. I about fell over when he told me it was worth $6K and thought like so many customers who value there trade-in more than it's actually worth. NADA, is ridiculous with there appraisals for toyota's and drink the "Yota" Kool-Aid!!!! :mad:
The bottom line is our cars are as good if not better than the imports. We still have some loose ends that need to be addressed like the Equinox, but the 2010 is unbelievable. It's interior on the the LTZ model will be Acura RDX level or better. The 2010 Buick LaCrosse, as I said is my favorite car made in the world right now. I can't wait until they make a "Super" version of it. I hope they slap a couple of turbo's on the 3.6 "High Feature" V6 which is by the way the best V6 in the world made folks!!!! High Feature is the king of the world!!!!!!!!!!!! the 3.6 OHC "High Feature" V6 is the top, the best, the elite!!!!!! Wards Automotive Top 10 and boy have I been pushing that issue as a selling point on the the new Traverse. Gagrice, would be trading in his Sequoia, if I had 10 minutes with him!!!! Dieselone would be driving back to Illinois, in a new Tahoe or Burban and ol' Marsha7, would be telling his Mises buddies that the UAW workers make the best sports car in the world a new ZR-1 Corvette!!! :P
Whatever position in government this guy pursues he will have my full support and I will do everything I can to get him elected. I have never liked any politician quite as much as Virg Bernero!!! I hope one day he will run for the presidency and I will be there campaigning for him and happier than a pig in slop!!! :shades: :shades: :shades: :shades:
Wow! That would be something! A modern day straight-8. It would be a heck of a long hood on that car! I think Buick, Pontiac, and Packard were the last purveyors of straight-8s.
Nothing new from my family members as of yet!!! I usually here the latest from you and then they tell me and I go I already heard that from Steve or another edmunds.com member!!! LOL!!!
-Rocky
P.S. I never told you (Steve) that a former classmate in high school found me because of my edmunds.com NY Times Article on carspace. She was a close friend and now lives in Turkey, and just happened to read the NY Times that October day and said she about spilled her coffee when my name appeared because she had been looking for a way to contact me to get back in touch.
Took her to the Philly Auto Show to see it up close and personal. We also got a brochure at home. Thing is, her 2005 model still looks fantastic and runs well. It would seem frivolous to replace it at this point.
Come-on now lemko, the girlfriend needs something that rivals your DTS. The 05' LaCrosse, is a nice machine but you can clearly see the new one is eye popping gorgeous!!! :surprise: :shades:
-Rocky
P.S. I will own a new LaCrosse, if everything works out for me. It is just too darn good of a car not to own and I can drive it year around!!! :shades:
Your going to have to give me some facts to back that claim. Everything I can find on the toyota 4.7 is it's from the UZ engine family that it dates back to the original 4.0L v8 from the 89 LS 400. Where does GM fit in. If it's true that GM designed Toyota's v8's, why hasn't GM's Northstar v8 ever been as good as the Lexus 4L and 4.6L v8's?
Better buy Ford. It will be the last domestic standing. At least that is my Bet. So far I am up $800 on a 1000 shares. I still wish they had gotten a better deal out of the UAW. When GM goes belly up it will be easier to deal with the remnant at the UAW.
Rocky, Your grand dad should be on Medicare like the rest of US poor Union guys. Unless his pension is over $5400 per month he should be protected by PBGC.
My best friend Beth, sold 3 new Silverado Trucks yesterday and it was her 5th or 6th new car for the week!!! I'm so jealous of her. She is smoking hot (6'2 and super model pretty) and Steve, it's just not fair being as pretty as she is plus a women. They have the easiest time with guys. She also knows her products very well thus she isn't just a pretty face. My easiest customer is the young to middle aged female customer. Most of them respect a salesman who is honest and caring. I'm that way naturally thus I have no problem with most females.
The 2010 LaCrosse is definitely a sharp car. I just wish they would have dumped the stupid port holes on the hood. IMO, they look completely out of place and ruin the clean lines. 6 speed transmission and no more 3800 v6. Looks like a winner, it will be interesting how well it sells. Pricing will be key.
I was going to call him on that also. I know that Toyota copied the Chevy inline 6 back in the 1960s. I would be surprised if they were on those terms by the late 1980s when Toyota was giving them a run. If GM did design it they should have used it instead of the engines they have.
I will ask my business manager where he got that info from. I wasn't aware of it either but Delphi, has for many many years made engine parts for Toyota.
The Northstar, IMHO is as good as any Lexus V8. Sure it had problems when it was new but the design dates way back in the the 1980's based off the LT-5 technology and the Lexus V8 came about a few years later if I remember right.
The V8 in my wife's 1990 Lexus is still rock solid starts and runs like a champ. She bought it new 20 years ago this year. Never anything but a leaky valve cover gasket which the stinking Lexus dealer wanted $1200 to replace. Cost less than $100 from our wonderful Lexus independent shop. It is thankfully a Non Union shop.
Again as was pointed out this was a $41k car in 1989. I doubt any Buick cost that much back then. I do believe you get what you pay for unless there are back sins to pay for. You know like the Legacy costs.
You sound like my mom regarding the portholes. I actually like them tucked on the inside of the hood!!! I guess I like em' :P But yeah a winner indeed. I want to get my hands behind the wheel of one someday!!!
In what way. It doesn't have as much power w/o a supercharger, it's not as smooth, overall it hasn't been as reliable, and can't match the fuel economy of the Lexus LS460 (comparing with STS). Heck, the LS 460 has higher epa fuel economy ratings than an STS with the 3.6. The only advantage the Northstar has is running on regular fuel.
You are a true believer that cars cost as much as they do because of the legacy costs GM, should of paid for and didin't because they were to busy buying money loser companies or creating them and didn't pay there bills and now want to sell that bill of goods. Just because management didn't make as good as cars as they should have for the last 20 or 30 years and want to play the blame everything on the UAW workers card and when their is nobody left with disposable income to buy anything in this country and we become a 3rd world nation because to many people think like you and the riots in the streets and violence everywhere hit your neighborhood perhaps then maybe certain people will go oh crap what did we create????
I was not for Social Security or Medicare. That made no difference. It was forced on me by a Socialist Congress and President. I paid more than I will ever get back. I have already produced the proof of that. Anyone that worked his whole 46 year career as I did will be screwed by the system. I would be happy to just have the $250,000 I and my employers have put in. And they can keep the interest over 46 years that should have doubled every 10 years sitting in the bank. In a savings account it would be several million dollars I was robbed of.
Your UAW grand dad should be getting a couple grand from SS plus Medicare with maybe $30 per month supplemental. If he cannot get by on $5k per month he is living very high on the hog. Half of American workers do not make $3000 per month let alone $5k.
What are you talking about??? I averaged 28.6 mpg highway from Pantex to Dalhart, TX in my 2002 Cadillac Seville STS. Much of that terrain was hilly if you've ever drove the Dumas, highway between Amarillo and Dumas. On a smooth surface I could squeak out 30-31 mpg in my Seville. I FYI don't put faith in the EPA estimates and only believe the real test is driving them.
I think that is called a run on sentence. Don't quote me I flunked English as you did.
I have from the start made it clear that GM management are just as stupid as the UAW leaders that promised workers benefits based on future earnings. The government with its printing presses are the only ones that can do that legally. It is a PONZI scheme. All those that signed onto that plan should be in Jail with Madoff.
don't put faith in the EPA estimates and only believe the real test is driving them.
On that we are in full agreement. I think the whole EPA, and CARB should be abolished and the $160B per year used to pay down the National debt. Most big cars will get high 20s out on the highway. It is the around town miles and jack rabbit starts that kill mileage.
His pension and social security is $3050 and despite your ranting about how spoiled the UAW, workers are they don't have the gold-plated Teamster, pension deal where your pension doesn't go down at social security. So your $5K figure is the platinum package even though you have to pay for your own healthcare package. I think dad and grandpa would trade you any day buddy!!!
The V8 in my wife's 1990 Lexus is still rock solid starts and runs like a champ.
If it was designed by GM, then it would have to be periodically decarboned and you'd be complaining of excessive oil consumption, and you'd probably would have blown a head gasket by now.
It was a run on sentence. I had a grammar exam today and am tired of punctuation and spelling. Believe it or not I think I did well on that part of the exam even though I am not at all good at grammar or English. Your buddy Madoff, might be getting out I heard!!! :surprise:
Yeah they probably will. The Acura TL nose still hasn't grown on me though. I am looking forward to seeing what happens with this restructuring between the UAW and Big 3. Hopefully tomorrow we will have some news, eh?
despite your ranting about how spoiled the UAW, workers are they don't have the gold-plated Teamster, pension deal where your pension doesn't go down at social security.
And who's fault is that? That should fall right on the shoulders of the big crook Reuther. He probably took bribes from the D3 to let them keep the pension money. The Teamsters did the right thing though Hoffa did loan it to unscrupulous characters. That is why when the Alaska Teamsters were formed they kept their pension away from the gangsters in the lower 48. Ours is sound. Not sure about the international .
The UAW should have gotten so much per hour and built their own pension fund. It was not rocket science to see what companies like US Steel did with pension money. The UAW workers made their own bed and trusted the D3 to do right by them. Just as you think the government will do right by you. Someday, hopefully not too late you will realize there is only one person you trust in.
How else can I compare them. I'm certainly not going to own an STS or LS anytime soon. If I'm shopping for a car on your lot will you let me run a full tank of gas so I can see what kind of mileage I'll get out of it? Didn't think so.
I know consumer reports doesn't get much respect around here, but I did compare the LS 460 to a 3.6 powered STS (they didn't have results for the 4.6). On their 150 mile loop the STS average 22mpg and the LS460 averaged 25mpg. DTS with northstar returned 20mpg. DTS is has EPA of 15/23. the LS 460 is rated at 18/27. I seriously doubt Lemko is getting anywhere near 30mpg on the hwy w/o driving 50mph.
I can't believe any Northstar powered STS is going to get anywhere near 30mpg w/o driving extremely slow on a long trip. I've never been able to get much over 25mpg out my wife's 07 Grand Prix.
Me either, but at the Chicago autoshow Acura showed a 2010 or 2011 (can't remember which) Acura TSX with the 3.5v6 as an option. That looks to have the potential to be the hottest fwd sedan on the market. I think the TSX is now much better looking than the TL.
The bottom line is our cars are as good if not better than the imports. We still have some loose ends that need to be addressed like the Equinox, but the 2010 is unbelievable. It's interior on the the LTZ model will be Acura RDX level or better. The 2010 Buick LaCrosse, as I said is my favorite car made in the world right now. I can't wait until they make a "Super" version of it. I hope they slap a couple of turbo's on the 3.6 "High Feature" V6 which is by the way the best V6 in the world made folks!!!! High Feature is the king of the world!!!!!!!!!!!! the 3.6 OHC "High Feature" V6 is the top, the best, the elite!!!!!! Wards Automotive Top 10 and boy have I been pushing that issue as a selling point on the the new Traverse
There has been a lot of discussion by lemko, Rocky, and others about how good some of the newer D3 offerings are. They have mentioned the new Lacrosse, Lucerne, and various Cadillacs (CTS/DTS/STS), Equinox, and some others.
I am squarely in the demographics some of those vehicles are aimed at – upper 50’s in age, upper middle class income (not to be confused with rich), and yet, except for maybe the CTS, none of those vehicles have any appeal to me.
I am casually shopping for a used vehicle, but am under no time constraint. The ones on my radar screen are a 3 or 5 series BMW, Acura TL, Lexus G35, maybe an Imprezza WR-X, and the CTS. Note there’s only one offering by the D3 in that list. What do those vehicles all have in common? Well, in my mind, they are considered to be fun to drive and handle well, are not overly huge (unlike the Lucerne or bigger Caddy’s), accelerate well, and give decent gas mileage (though that is not an overriding concern).
I did own a ’94 Cadillac Deville (Northstar) for a couple of years. The engine was nice, though I was always disappointed in the mid-teens gas mileage I got commuting to work. But, handling-wise, it was a real pig. No road feel at all – it was like you were driving in a video game. I could just have well been sitting on my living room sofa. On second thought, the Caddy was probably more comfortable than my living room. Not what I am looking for in a car.
I would take a Lacrosse, but only if it were almost given to me. In fact, that was the car I convinced my FIL to buy (’07 model) when he decided to give up his Mercury Marquis -what a boat that was! I steered him in that direction because he’s a die-hard union guy (former CWA), so wanted something from Detroit and, since he may be giving up his license soon, we may be inheriting the Lacrosse and I decided it was something I could at least live with.
And no, I'm not anti-Detroit. Over the years, I have owned a Camaro, Chevy wagon, Ford Fairmont wagon (let's not go into that one), two Dodge Caravans, and a Dodge Dakota PU truck.
People speaking from inexperience again. Ask the man who has owned TWO Northstar-powered Cadillacs. The Northstar is a very fine engine - very smooth, very reliable, and a lot of guts! If I'm not watching the speedometer, she'll be doing 100mph+ without me even realizing it.
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I will say that if GM, goes chapter 11 and rids themselves of the legacy costs a lot of good folks will lose everything and be out on the street. My grandfather could not work as a greeter at Wal~Mart, because of his health so I guess we better put 2 in him??? :sick: Also I believe Wagoner when he says that GM would not survive a bankruptcy because consumers wouldn't buy GM cars. Those are the facts I hear on the retail side from my customers and I'm in Michigan. Do you think some redneck in Arkansas, is going to buy a new Chevy Truck from a BK GM??? I don't!!!!
-Rocky
Most Americans don't about their fellow Americans that are out of work now !
They just go for the "deal "
In other countries people buy what is made in their country before buying foreign . . . but not here in America.
MARSHA7 :hello , On the shirt example you gave , the person that can't afford to buy more shirts at Wal-Mart ( by buying an American made shirt ) will never be able to because their wages will never go up in America if they keep buying the "deal from China" all the time.
Often you got to spend money to make money !
Like I said before if you need to buy that foreign car AT LEAST buy the one assembled in America and if you need to buy the China shirt realize what you are doing to the American worker & our economy in the process.
Now if we are all willing to work for less then say $ 2.00 an hour this is all mute . . . are you willing to lower your pay and standard of living ?
We all need to draw the line but MANY people ,especially American people with good jobs and making good money ,DON'T CARE as long as they are working.
The heck with everybody else,I GOT A DEAL they say !
I'm not saying you can totally advoid buying foreign products but you got the power to control the process by thinking when you make a purchase how it may affect us all here in America.
It is affecting us . . . in a negative way ,some American people see it and care and some don't care.
Thanks,
Rocky
You can think GM, for that!!!
-Rocky
-Rocky
The bottom line is our cars are as good if not better than the imports. We still have some loose ends that need to be addressed like the Equinox, but the 2010 is unbelievable. It's interior on the the LTZ model will be Acura RDX level or better. The 2010 Buick LaCrosse, as I said is my favorite car made in the world right now. I can't wait until they make a "Super" version of it. I hope they slap a couple of turbo's on the 3.6 "High Feature" V6 which is by the way the best V6 in the world made folks!!!! High Feature is the king of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Rocky
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/09/am.bernero.trade.reform/
-Rocky
-Rocky
Job Losses
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
btw, if anyone has any UAW news (or even a girlfriend who works for GM, Ford or Chrysler), please speak up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtN7V60e8zI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj8XR2dzLFc
2010 UAW-MADE Buick LaCrosse :shades: :shades: :shades:
Nothing new from my family members as of yet!!! I usually here the latest from you and then they tell me and I go I already heard that from Steve or another edmunds.com member!!! LOL!!!
-Rocky
P.S. I never told you (Steve) that a former classmate in high school found me because of my edmunds.com NY Times Article on carspace. She was a close friend and now lives in Turkey, and just happened to read the NY Times that October day and said she about spilled her coffee when my name appeared because she had been looking for a way to contact me to get back in touch.
gorgeous!!! :surprise: :shades:
-Rocky
P.S. I will own a new LaCrosse, if everything works out for me. It is just too darn good of a car not to own and I can drive it year around!!! :shades:
That's pretty slick.
Btw, when you sell 3 new GM cars in a week let me know so I can go buy some stock. :shades:
Your going to have to give me some facts to back that claim. Everything I can find on the toyota 4.7 is it's from the UZ engine family that it dates back to the original 4.0L v8 from the 89 LS 400. Where does GM fit in. If it's true that GM designed Toyota's v8's, why hasn't GM's Northstar v8 ever been as good as the Lexus 4L and 4.6L v8's?
Rocky, Your grand dad should be on Medicare like the rest of US poor Union guys. Unless his pension is over $5400 per month he should be protected by PBGC.
-Rocky
The Northstar, IMHO is as good as any Lexus V8. Sure it had problems when it was new but the design dates way back in the the 1980's based off the LT-5 technology and the Lexus V8 came about a few years later if I remember right.
-Rocky
-Rocky
Again as was pointed out this was a $41k car in 1989. I doubt any Buick cost that much back then. I do believe you get what you pay for unless there are back sins to pay for. You know like the Legacy costs.
-Rocky
In what way. It doesn't have as much power w/o a supercharger, it's not as smooth, overall it hasn't been as reliable, and can't match the fuel economy of the Lexus LS460 (comparing with STS). Heck, the LS 460 has higher epa fuel economy ratings than an STS with the 3.6. The only advantage the Northstar has is running on regular fuel.
-Rocky
Your UAW grand dad should be getting a couple grand from SS plus Medicare with maybe $30 per month supplemental. If he cannot get by on $5k per month he is living very high on the hog. Half of American workers do not make $3000 per month let alone $5k.
-Rocky
I have from the start made it clear that GM management are just as stupid as the UAW leaders that promised workers benefits based on future earnings. The government with its printing presses are the only ones that can do that legally. It is a PONZI scheme. All those that signed onto that plan should be in Jail with Madoff.
On that we are in full agreement. I think the whole EPA, and CARB should be abolished and the $160B per year used to pay down the National debt. Most big cars will get high 20s out on the highway. It is the around town miles and jack rabbit starts that kill mileage.
-Rocky
If it was designed by GM, then it would have to be periodically decarboned and you'd be complaining of excessive oil consumption, and you'd probably would have blown a head gasket by now.
-Rocky
-Rocky
Well I got to hit the rack.
Good night to all!!!
-Rocky
And who's fault is that? That should fall right on the shoulders of the big crook Reuther. He probably took bribes from the D3 to let them keep the pension money. The Teamsters did the right thing though Hoffa did loan it to unscrupulous characters. That is why when the Alaska Teamsters were formed they kept their pension away from the gangsters in the lower 48. Ours is sound. Not sure about the international .
The UAW should have gotten so much per hour and built their own pension fund. It was not rocket science to see what companies like US Steel did with pension money. The UAW workers made their own bed and trusted the D3 to do right by them. Just as you think the government will do right by you. Someday, hopefully not too late you will realize there is only one person you trust in.
How else can I compare them. I'm certainly not going to own an STS or LS anytime soon. If I'm shopping for a car on your lot will you let me run a full tank of gas so I can see what kind of mileage I'll get out of it? Didn't think so.
I know consumer reports doesn't get much respect around here, but I did compare the LS 460 to a 3.6 powered STS (they didn't have results for the 4.6). On their 150 mile loop the STS average 22mpg and the LS460 averaged 25mpg. DTS with northstar returned 20mpg. DTS is has EPA of 15/23. the LS 460 is rated at 18/27. I seriously doubt Lemko is getting anywhere near 30mpg on the hwy w/o driving 50mph.
I can't believe any Northstar powered STS is going to get anywhere near 30mpg w/o driving extremely slow on a long trip. I've never been able to get much over 25mpg out my wife's 07 Grand Prix.
Me either, but at the Chicago autoshow Acura showed a 2010 or 2011 (can't remember which) Acura TSX with the 3.5v6 as an option. That looks to have the potential to be the hottest fwd sedan on the market. I think the TSX is now much better looking than the TL.
There has been a lot of discussion by lemko, Rocky, and others about how good some of the newer D3 offerings are. They have mentioned the new Lacrosse, Lucerne, and various Cadillacs (CTS/DTS/STS), Equinox, and some others.
I am squarely in the demographics some of those vehicles are aimed at – upper 50’s in age, upper middle class income (not to be confused with rich), and yet, except for maybe the CTS, none of those vehicles have any appeal to me.
I am casually shopping for a used vehicle, but am under no time constraint. The ones on my radar screen are a 3 or 5 series BMW, Acura TL, Lexus G35, maybe an Imprezza WR-X, and the CTS. Note there’s only one offering by the D3 in that list. What do those vehicles all have in common? Well, in my mind, they are considered to be fun to drive and handle well, are not overly huge (unlike the Lucerne or bigger Caddy’s), accelerate well, and give decent gas mileage (though that is not an overriding concern).
I did own a ’94 Cadillac Deville (Northstar) for a couple of years. The engine was nice, though I was always disappointed in the mid-teens gas mileage I got commuting to work. But, handling-wise, it was a real pig. No road feel at all – it was like you were driving in a video game. I could just have well been sitting on my living room sofa. On second thought, the Caddy was probably more comfortable than my living room. Not what I am looking for in a car.
I would take a Lacrosse, but only if it were almost given to me. In fact, that was the car I convinced my FIL to buy (’07 model) when he decided to give up his Mercury Marquis -what a boat that was! I steered him in that direction because he’s a die-hard union guy (former CWA), so wanted something from Detroit and, since he may be giving up his license soon, we may be inheriting the Lacrosse and I decided it was something I could at least live with.
And no, I'm not anti-Detroit. Over the years, I have owned a Camaro, Chevy wagon, Ford Fairmont wagon (let's not go into that one), two Dodge Caravans, and a Dodge Dakota PU truck.
I'm not sure that's a good thing.