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Then 5 years from now Ford can go back to their shuttered factories in Detroit and see if anyone in town is ready to work for a reasonable wage. Say here is the 20 page contract. It says you get this much, we pay this much of your HC, this percentage into your 401K and if we need an electrician to clean the latrine, it is our money to do with as we see fit. Let the state OSHA laws handle the safety. Never give into 2200 pages of ignorance by the UAW.
I'm all for being able to carry a laptop across the factory floor without violating union rules, but the job description of an electrician shouldn't include latrine duty. You farm that stuff out. :shades:
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There was a few times in Prudhoe I would have liked to do just that. When the toilet plugged up and spread you know what all over the floor. Our fancy title did not protect us from clean up duty. Flexibility is important in an efficiently run business.
Hiring someone for 8 hours to do 2 hours work is not very efficient. If the electrician is sitting on his butt waiting for a bulb to change I see no reason he cannot perform cleanup duty. A boss should have the right to assign work as he sees fit. If the person is not capable he could be wasting time. However, there is not a lot of training needed to clean the latrine.
The Alascom contract had some work rules that caused a lot of grief. It was mostly to protect the Teamster Warehousemen. They were the prima donna workers in the company.
I agree. Transportation costs are low and even if unionized, they are not so militant as the UAW. The Fusion proves that Mexico can do a good job. VW and others have been making cars in Mexico for a long time.
Let Ford move it all south, and then let the US show it wants those jobs. I'm sure Ford could eventually relocate to a southern state. Imagine - Boeing moved from Seattle to Chicago. What message would it send if Ford HQ moved out of Michigan to a more reasonable state?
Does't make much sense, particularly in the current economic market.
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OW
Sort of like the 1941 UAW contract when cars were built like brick sh__houses...
Not like pieces of junk today reflecting this abomination.
K.I.S.S. :P
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OW
Now we're getting somewhere!
Let me know when it falls under 50 pages. :P
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OW
I'm gonna say they only really need about 25 pages for the entire contract. Really, how many raspberry jelly donuts and cups of Starbuck's does it take to hammer that pup out? Is this yet another example of American excessiveness? Or does not nationality play a part in these contracts at all?
The same one could be drawn up in Japan, too, you're thinking? For Nissan or Toyota or Honda? Never mind Mitsubishi's Normal, IL, plant. They're already sucked in by the UAW there. :sick:
I'm not. This is a raspberry jelly donut and Starbuck's phenomenon here. Truly and totally American, where we grow 'em big and do everything big. Like the infamous Cadidillac. :sick:
The domestics are toast, except for possible Fo-Mo-Co. They're the only one I like at all right now. But they need to shed the UAW's, and quickly. :shades:
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Great! The UAW can then begin collective bargaining in the Correctional System! I'm sure the contract will be under one paragraph on a page!
Since they already ruined GM and C and trying to finish off F now, here is a little blurb describing how PE unions will ensure Detroit become a no man's land that you so eloquently describe:
On Tuesday, voters in Detroit trudged to the polls and re-elected 65-year-old Mayor Dave Bing, giving him five new city council members to accomplish a mission impossible: bring Michigan's biggest city back from near death. There's no clear prescription that will work, and Detroit's recalcitrant public-employee unions will resist the fiscal therapy that will necessarily be a part of any recovery.
Short term, Detroit's best hope may be to go bankrupt. However, given Michigan law, which has never been tested because no city has ever filed for bankruptcy, it's unclear if even bankruptcy will fully release Detroit from the clutches of its unions and allow it to start over. The only thing certain is that fate is not kind to a city that allows unions to run amok.
Can't let the UAW have all of the notoriety! :shades:
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There already are gangs operating the correctional institutions. I've seen the stories on TRU TV or other channels, maybe MSNBC. Oooops maybe that's not a good source. But you get my drift.
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Yeah right! I don't think 20-30 year old scab workers would be a bit afraid of a bunch of out of shape viagra popping 50 year olds that are one hamburger and smoke away from a heart attack.
Having spent 37 years in the Teamsters I can tell you the rhetoric is much tougher than the action. You are absolutely correct. This is NOT 1937 with tough guys on both sides of the fence. These are soft old featherbedders that don't want to give up the gravy train. They just lost their Jobs bank with all the jelly donuts they could eat and watching cartoons for full pay. The shock has yet to set in. They are no longer needed and they were NEVER worth what they were making. $106,000 per year for a forklift operator is INSANE. I don't care if he worked 10 hours per day 365 days per year.
Please tell me you're kidding!
The coming months will be painful for many American autoworkers. Accustomed to a certain lifestyle, they will see their wages cut in half, jeopardizing second homes, college tuitions, and car payments. One blue-collar Delphi worker interviewed by the Detroit News makes $103,000 a year operating a forklift and fears the consequences if his pay is drastically reduced.
Grass cutter with benefits cost Delphi:
Just listen to Steve Miller a turnaround specialist who is steering Delphi's restructuring process. He exploded the myth of America's "endangered" union manufacturing jobs at his October press conference announcing Delphi's move into Chapter 11: "We cannot continue to pay $65 an hour for someone to cut the grass and remain competitive."
And considering they probably got double-time for many situations, like maybe holidays and sundays? He probably pulled down less than 62 hours per week.
Nice work, if you can get it! I used to work about 65 hours per week, but I didn't make anywhere near $106K per year!
Seriously though, that is very short sighted from everybody involved. I don't care how good your products are, you won't be able to price them competitively when you pay fork lift operators $106k (and don't even get me started on whether a fork lift operator is worth $106k/year.)
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On the overtime selection it goes by accumulated hours. They keep a list of who was asked to work overtime (you are charged even if you say no thanks) and the person with the lowest hours gets asked first if there is overtime available for that week.
Are you trying to be logical or something?
This is the UAW, remember?
They had signs trying to get you to pull over so they could hand you something taht would explain why they are there. No, thanks.
You should've grabbed it and posted it here. It would've made an interesting conversation.
Most white collar jobs that have a salary over $100k are expected to work 70-80 hours per week year round. I cannot remember a year that I did not make more than the boss. And they would spend long hours after the normal 8 hours per day. High paying jobs generally require more than a 40 hour week. Those with salary over $65k per year are exempted from the 40 hour rule under the newest labor law. It protects those with salaried jobs making under $65k per year. Like the secretary expected to work on the weekend without time and a half pay.
Talk about s...ting your nest! Too often unions don't seem to think it out. They consider it a victory if their picketing hurts their empoyer's business not thinking about the fact that as business drops so do their jobs. When you look at stuff like this and the militancy at the Ford KC plant, sometimes it seems like the UAW considers Ford and GM to be their enemy - pure lunacy! Unfortunately, all the UAW is accomplishing is strengthening the hand of Toyota and Honda. So what will the UAW encore be, returning to sabotaging cars on the production line again? Pathetic!
WE WANT AMERICAN COMPANIES TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND REALIZE THAT WE ALL FAIL WHEN PROFIT AND GREED ARE THE ONLY THINGS GUIDING THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES!!
With all things being equal that may be the case. However all things are not equal. When the UAW person was only competing against another bargaining Unit across town things were pretty much equal. Now you have several competitors in places that the cost of living is less. So why not build a factory and pay half the wages? The quality of life is the same with lower wages.
You also left out a few things. How about the person working in the local grocery store making half what the UAW worker makes. Those high UAW wages run up the cost of living for all the people in the area. Homes, cars and food all cost more due to high Union wages. It in effect it lowers the quality of life for all the non union people in the area.
I know your solution is to Unionize everyone and give them all equal pay. That may work in a collective society like the Soviet Union. Not in a free society. The bottom line is you have bargained and gone on strike so much you have destroyed the goose that was laying the golden egg. The days of non skilled worker getting $30 per hour is just about gone. If you are still young I would get another line of work. And be thankful for what you have had. As it will get worse for the working man as the dollar becomes less valuable. Hopefully you bought lots of Krugerrands when the big bucks were flowing. That is about the only safe place for your dollars.
Here's the thing though, D3 doesn't pay much different salary than Toyota or Honda does in their plants. Its the excessive work rules, featherbedding, constant worker greivances over oftentimes drivel that is driving Detroit out of business. This stuff is very expensive to D3 and doesn't really impact your wage rate (just your long term job security). Rather, it affects D3 competitiveness. If a worker doesn't like the attitude or practices of an employer they can always leave the company, no one is making them stay. I think Toyota and Honda have better labor relationships than D3 because there is true partnering between everyone. In Detroit they talk partnering, but I doubt it will ever really happen with the UAW for three reasons. 1. While I believe the vast majority of UAW workers work hard, federal law makes unions have to represent the 10% or so of the workforce that are losers and chronic complainers. Unions make it about impossible for the employer to can them. 2. People have to make issues and foment discord to get elected to union positions 3. If the UAW can't come up with things to argue and complain against the company, then workers would stop wanting to pay union dues. Companies manufacturing in the south are not burdened by all this nonsense, nor ridiculously stringent work rules and job categories, so their overhead is lower allowing them to pay comparable salaries, but make a better profit. "Profit" is not an ugly term and the lack of it inevitably leads to layoffs or worse. Also, as the Ford situation clearly shows, unions don't seem to understand that a short term profit in a low cash flow and increasing expense environment can still quickly bankrupt a firm. The UAW members erroneously believe Ford is out of the woods, but the fire is still around them. Gettlefinger gets it, he's an accountant, but apparently most of the UAW leadership and membership at Ford is blind?
LOL, what a load of BS that is. While you may feel UAW members are entitled to their jobs and compensation, the buying public is not obligated to buy the products you produce.
Different union but you get the drift.
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You'd think that even the most lame-brained union leader would realize that unions aren't all that well liked- and not go out of their way to exacerbate the situation.
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Those 39 laid off workers could volunteer to work in the parks while on unemployment. That may give the tax payers some feeling that the commitment goes both ways.
1. Define "good living" and "adequate compensation" for us. Who determines what those are?
2. Why did the UAW strike the only GM plant that was turning out product that people were buying and getting favorable reviews (the Malibu)?
3. Since GM has lost money for the past oh, ten years or so, don't you think it would have been reasonable and fair for the line workers to take a reduction in pay in order to help stem the bleeding, rather than extorting ever more generous packages from the companies, and maybe have kept GM from becoming a welfare case supported by taxpayers' dollars?
Job Seekers Flood VW's Tennessee Plant with Applications (AutoObserver)