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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Uniforms for U.S. Olympic athletes are American red, white and blue — but made in China. That has members of Congress fuming.

    Republicans and Democrats railed Thursday about the U.S. Olympic Committee's decision to dress the U.S. team in Chinese manufactured berets, blazers and pants while the American textile industry struggles economically with many U.S. workers desperate for jobs.

    I think they should be embarrassed. I think they should take all the uniforms, put them in a big pile and burn them and start all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told reporters at a Capitol Hill news conference on taxes.

    "If they have to wear nothing but a singlet that says USA on it, painted by hand, then that's what they should wear," he said, referring to an athletic jersey.

    House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference that she's proud of the nation's Olympic athletes, but "they should be wearing uniforms that are made in America."

    House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said simply of the USOC, "You'd think they'd know better."
    In a statement, the U.S. Olympic Committee defended the choice of designer Ralph Lauren for the clothing at the London Games, which begin later this month.

    "Unlike most Olympic teams around the world, the U.S. Olympic Team is privately funded and we're grateful for the support of our sponsors," USOC spokesman Patrick Sandusky said in a statement. "We're proud of our partnership with Ralph Lauren, an iconic American company, and excited to watch America's finest athletes compete at the upcoming Games in London."

    Ralph Lauren also is dressing the Olympic and Paralympic teams for the closing ceremony and providing casual clothes to be worn around the Olympic Village. Nike has made many of the competition uniforms for the U.S. and outfits for the medal stand.

    On Twitter, Sandusky called the outrage over the made-in-China uniforms nonsense. The designer, Sandusky wrote, "financially supports our team. An American company that supports American athletes."

    Ralph Lauren's company declined to comment on the criticism.

    In fact, this is not the first time that Ralph Lauren has designed the Olympic uniforms. Yet that did little to quell the anger on Capitol Hill.

    "It is not just a label, it's an economic solution," said Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y. "Today there are 600,000 vacant manufacturing jobs in this country and the Olympic committee is outsourcing the manufacturing of uniforms to China? That is not just outrageous, it's just plain dumb. It is self-defeating."

    Israel urged the USOC to reverse the decision and ensure U.S. athletes wear uniforms that are made in America.

    Sens. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., separately sent letters to Lawrence Probst III, chairman of the USOC, complaining about the made-in-China uniforms. Brown suggested that the USOC find a manufacturer with a facility in the United States, suggesting the Hugo Boss plant in Cleveland.

    "There is no compelling reason why all of the uniforms cannot be made here on U.S. soil at the same price, at better quality," Gillibrand wrote along with Israel.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., said that while millions of Americans are unemployed, "there is no reason why U.S. Olympic uniforms are not being manufactured in the U.S. This action on the part of the U.S. Olympic Committee is symbolic of a disastrous trade policy which has cost us millions of decent-paying jobs and must be changed."

    In a tweet, U.S. track and field Olympian Nick Symmonds, who will compete in the 800-meter run at the London Games, wrote: "Our Ralph Lauren outfits for the Olympic opening ceremonies were made in China. So, um, thanks China."

    This is hardly the first time patriotism has been discussed when it comes to Olympic clothing. The must-have souvenir of the 2002 Salt Lake Games was a fleece beret, something that athletes wore in the opening ceremony and prompted countless people to spend hours on lines waiting to purchase during those Olympics.

    Those berets were made by Roots, a Canadian company that was the official U.S. team outfitter for that opening ceremony.

    In the last four years, the USOC has faced criticism for some of its sponsorship deals as it has scrambled to deal with the economic downturn.

    When General Motors left as a sponsor, the USOC signed a $24 million deal with German automaker BMW that raised eyebrows. At the time, the USOC highlighted the carmaker's 42-year history of selling cars in the United States and the fact that BMW has 7,000 American employees
    The USOC and the International Olympic Committee also were criticized for sticking with BP as a sponsor after the deadly oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico.

    ABC World News reported Wednesday night that the uniforms were made in China.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    >Israel urged the USOC to reverse the decision and ensure U.S. athletes wear uniforms that are made in America. Sens. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y.,

    And those same congressfolk hop into their foreign built auto to trudge home from the office. Sen. Brown, Ohio, is only speaking up because he's up for election against a good challenger--otherwise he's not to be seen or heard from.

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Are there any Union shops left capable of making those uniforms? You cannot start up a shop for a few needed for the Olympic team.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Say it isn't so that Sherrod Brown drives anything but a UAW made car?
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    He probably owns one but I'll bet the rest of the stable is upscale.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    Doesn't need to be union made, just not made by the greatest intellectual property/environmental/social criminal of the industrialized world.

    I wonder if any flags used in the ceremonies will be made there too.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited July 2012
    We know the DNC bought 80,000 US flags from China for the 2008 convention. Then got caught dumping them. They tried their best to spin the story into one of theft of the flags. You don't leave bags of stuff laying beside a dumpster for over a week then claim it was stolen.

    My guess is Lauren donated the uniforms. He paid the Chinese $50 a piece to make them and then wrote off the supposed cost of $1100 each, as a tax deduction. Then he can take the profits and donate them again this year to the Obama campaign. You can be anti American and anti Union as long as you donate to THE CAMPAIGN.... :sick:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    edited July 2012
    Lauren had donated heavily to the party and to the Prez. Surprise that he got the contract for the foreign made clothes?

    Certainly have to be union clothing workers left in the US after all the companies moved to other countries to avoid paying taxes. Maybe they could convert an unused UAW plant in a swing state--executive order could establish a new clothing company.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    I wouldn't doubt that there is some trickle down style tax policy somehow connected to those uniforms. I wonder if Chinese fabric is known to carry any dangerous chemicals...wouldn't be surprising.

    With the way some things are shaping up, Barry's campaign might not need the contribution. The opponent is looking less embraceable with each new day.

    The athletes should protest and either provide or start a fund for their own American made uniforms.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    Lauren is made of money, doesn't need the contract per se. Although he can probably reap greater rewards with it than his investment - make profit and gain tax advantages.

    Coward companies running away who don't want to help maintain the system which enabled them to be born...that's just "capitalism", right?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It is Crony Capitalism a far cry from pure capitalism. I think all the negative publicity in the media over the Chinese uniforms will remove Lauren from the A list at many Liberal parties this year.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    edited July 2012
    Lauren's bid could be crony capitalism - the bastards running away once they've struck gold is more like traitor capitalism.

    I don't believe I own anything RL, and I can't see that changing. I suspect very little clothing is union made anyway...although I do have a nice Schott leather coat that I believe is. Wasn't cheap...but it's nice.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited July 2012
    I think the unions pushed the garment industry out of the USA. My mom and Grandma worked in sewing factories in Los Angeles during and after WW2. They worked piece work and made good money. The Unions came in and changed it all to hourly and the fast ones lost money and the slow ones did better. That killed incentive to do your best. The Public employee Unions have bankrupted 3 cities in CA and more are headed that way. Could be your town next.

    PS
    I don't own any designer cloths except Hawaiian shirts. I only buy Hawaiian made ones. Mostly from the Salvation Army. I doubt I have spent $200 a year on cloths over the last 50 years. Just not that important dressing fancy.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    Third world wages pushed out that industry. Unions don't matter when labor costs 1/25th somewhere else, and the mills can operate with governments who don't care how the workers are treated so long as the right officials are paid off. I also don't know if the fastest worker would have produced the best quality, but I guess that's another story.

    My city in particular couldn't be less like foreclosure-ridden inland California. Wages are highish here and the population is in general very literate and educated. The economy here isn't dependent on construction jobs and the tax base isn't forecast on increasing mirage home prices. I don't see the knowledge based jobs here simply evaporating overnight.

    I don't spend a fortune on clothes either. So much of what is on the rack today is made in less than awesome places with less than awesome quality - no matter the pricetag or label. Thankfully, cars haven't succumbed to this.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Cities like Stockton and San Bernardino had a massive building boom. They are different demographics. Both have a high Illegal population as San Bo is a Los Angeles bedroom community. Much lower priced homes. Now nearly worthless. Stockton is a victim of San Francisco and water rights. Farming is being strangled by lack of water. Another population high in illegal immigrants that worked the farms that are not being used. I don't see a bright future in CA. I encouraged my children to look at other places to live.
    It is already ugly in the major cities. It will get uglier as we deteriorate into a 3rd world.
  • srs_49srs_49 Member Posts: 1,394
    We all know this is just so much political grandstanding.

    If members of Congress were really that concerned, then let them be the first to give up their Blackberries (Canadian company, built overseas) and Iphones (built in PRC at Foxconn). Just a bunch of hypocrites mouthing off.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    You hit it on the head. They are the same ones passing all the Fair Trade agreements that are flushing US jobs down the 3rd World toilets.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Heck, one apparel manufacturer said he could pay his employees nothing and still couldn't compete with third world factories due to their blatant disregard for safety and environmental regulations.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited July 2012
    There is more to the story than that. My niece works for QuikSilver. They get their cloths made in various Asian countries. It has to do with modern equipment, more than labor. She emails a design to Hong Kong, and she has the finished product on her desk the next day. We have not kept up with manufacturing technology in this country. Much of that blame falls on the Union work rules. By the time Unions like UAW realized what was happening it was too late. The companies set up factories in friendlier places. Unions have as much as anything else, tried to block progress. Now they are paying the price.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    edited July 2012
    >Much of that blame falls on the Union work rules.

    How has pay for management compared in the before and after? Have the management folks taken pay and benefit cuts?

    What about the prices for the product? Has the lower cost per item shown up as a greatly reduced price for the item sold here? I.e., did a shirt or underware that used to sell for $15.00 or $5.00 made here drop in price when the item cost 1/20th as much to make? Meaning $1.50 shirts and $.50 underware package?

    Where has the extra profit margin gone?

    What role has government setting the rules for companies moving production and importing product back played in this? Can those rules be changed? I.e., China moving products into the US during Clinton era when the rules banned the direct import by moving them through Mexico?

    Looks to me like it's the same automotive problem with companies wanting to pretend to be US companies with some facets of their description and yet import stuff into the US without tariffs or controls, costing us US jobs.

    Seems a little harsh blaming the poor workers in KY at the Fruit of the Loom factory for their jobs having gone overseas. They weren't the high cost labor folks to begin with as I see it.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    And to think, that breakdown happened with no private sector union excess - simply the criminal FIRE industry cabal and a populace who has no education about personal finance.

    California - nice to visit, still wouldn't want to live there, unless I had some considerable wealth.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    What clothing unions, if any really exist in the US anymore, put such rules in place? Any specific rules being called out here?

    Nobody looks to HK for anything regarding responsible business operations, lack of corruption, or anything close to ethics. Nobody goes to China for "progress".

    There's more to the story than unions, here. It's simple cheap labor, social and environmental crime. and a massively divided society based on the consumerism of idiots, whether or not anyone wants to admit it.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    Fruit of the Loom (Jerzees) closed a Honduran factory when workers tried to form a union. Since they were being paid a pittance, how would a union have hurt the company profits with a minor increase in negotiated wages?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    edited July 2012
    For the clothing industry, unions were never the problem - it's just a distraction by the same forces who will scream about socialism and "class warfare". The clothing industry is where it is now due to cheap wages and the socio-environmental strife that exists where said wages live, nothing else at all.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    I want to know about executive compensation packages 15 years ago compared to today in the major companies. Have they taken reduced pay? Or have they increased 20 and 50 fold.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    I suspect you already know the answer to that :shades:

    And how the tax burdens of said execs have fared in the past 30 years, as well...
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    All I know is what my niece has told me about the factories she has visited in HK. We have nothing to compare with their automation. We know for a fact that the UAW work rules blocked the Ford state of the art factory from being built here. It is no longer about labor cost. It is about automation. We are falling behind in many areas of automated manufacturing. The sweat shops my mom and grandma worked in are going away.

    The bottom line, it is up to the Federal government to impose tariffs on imported goods from 3rd World Hell Holes. They are not doing it and it will continue to force layoffs. I was on the USS Midway and was going to buy a $17 T-Shirt. It was made in Honduras. On an American Ship. The "D"s and "R"s are working together to bring US down to the Global average. It is a Bi-Partisan effort with the UAW blessing.

    We need to cancel ALL trade agreements and drop out of the UN and WTO.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,507
    edited July 2012
    As we have had virtually no mass market garment industry here for ages, the automation bit isn't surprising. But, I think the garment industry was much more black and white than the auto industry.

    Labor costs were the key reason when textile leaders betrayed their homeland, and they are one of the factors in the evolution of auto manufacturing. And these cost savings aren't passed on to the consumer. What's the average wage in a Ford factory in Mexico? Not reflected in the vehicle price, but maybe in exec rewards.

    I agree with the rest of it. Even if some get upset when anyone talks about any kind of conspiracy...the same forces control both parties, and it is proven by the issues seen in the past 30 years no matter who is in office. I often doubt any real wealth has technically been created for some time - it is just being moved around, from many to a few. Free trade isn't fair trade, we're in Romney's trade surrender - but he's just as part of the problem as anyone.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    SAN BERNARDINO (CBS/AP) – The consequences of the city’s fiscal crisis took a trashy turn during a hearing Monday night when San Bernardino officials noted garbage pick-up was among the obligations they might not be able to afford after turning their government into a cash-only operation.

    The City Council voted Monday to delay the vote until Wednesday to avoid mediation and head straight to federal bankruptcy. The council previously had voted to file for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection, but Monday night members expressed a desire for more time to look over financial information and talk to constituents.

    CBS2 reporter Jeff Nguyen reports the City of San Bernardino can no longer pay for anything on credit, such as gasoline for its fleet of garbage pick-up trucks. As a result, taxpayers may be left holding the bag for taking away their trash promptly as early as Wednesday.

    “The trash and the streets are not going to be swept,” warned city sanitation worker Jerry Zuniga. “You leave the trash there for too long, it’s going to be health issue.”


    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/07/17/trash-collection-expected-to-drop-duri- ng-san-bernardino-fiscal-crisis/
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,044
    San Bernardino officials noted garbage pick-up was among the obligations they might not be able to afford after turning their government into a cash-only operation.

    That might end up having some unintended consequences. Where I live, the trash collection is a separate line item on our property tax bill, to the tune of $314.10 per year, per single family dwelling. If they suddenly stopped trash service, I wonder if they'd be obligated to refund that amount, since it's broken out separately?

    My guess is, they'd find some rationale for not refunding it, for a service not rendered. Would probably miff off some people, and I'm sure the wealthier and more resourceful would find a way to sue the county over it.

    But worse, trash trucks or no, that trash MUST be taken away. There's a local park two doors down from my house, and I have a feeling that a LOT of trash would end up down there. So, one way or another, the county would still have to remove it. Either house by house, or a bulk cleanup at that park.

    Fortunately, I'm in a somewhat rural area, although right across the street from that park is a community of 67 or so houses. But, in a higher density area, I'd imagine lack of trash pickup would create a nightmare!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Chances are the UAW won't be walking out and joining the city workers, so you'll still be able to drive to a public landfill if you can find one near you.

    But auto workers are going off strike in Ohio. Didn't even know they were on strike.

    Ratified contract will keep jobs here (springfieldnewssun.com)

    Not sure why the UAW represents this group:

    Auto union eyes Conn. Mohegan Sun casino workers (sfgate.com)
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    Not sure why the UAW represents this group

    Perhaps in their desperation to stem the tide of decline, they'll accept pretty much anybody who wants to unionize with them?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited July 2012
    You'd think a casino employee would rather join UNITE HERE.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited July 2012
    Thankfully our trash companies are all Private NON Union. They fight over the customers with special promotions. We have a choice of five different ones in our area. It is good to have a choice and have your trash picked up. And they don't mind hauling off a mattress or old couch, unlike the whiners in the public Union trash haulers. If I have ten barrels of leaves and weeds they pick them all up at once. I would hate to be someplace where you have to depend on city employees for such things as trash PU.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think the UAW has some casino workers in Las Vegas as well. Just like us, we were telephone technicians in the Teamsters. Got out voted by the Telephone operators and the IBEW sold the techs down the river. I have despised the IBEW ever since that experience. I would have a lot bigger pension and much sooner as well.
  • ClairesClaires Member Posts: 1,219
    They seem to be everywhere, representing faculty and teaching/grad assistants at a bunch of universities and the workers at Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Michigan.

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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Not sure why the UAW represents this group:

    The UAW represents workers at 13 casinos, 120 health care facilities, 40K university employees and even independent writers in addition to the traditional auto, farm implement and truck workers.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Yeah, but why? Shouldn't the union members have something work related in common? They already have unions of unions to coordinate efforts (AFL-CIO, etc.).

    False advertising - they should change their name.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    The Teamsters do a lot of organizing out of their original charter. RCA Global Communications was organized by the Teamsters in the 1950s. That was the reason they pushed the Teamsters on us in 1971 instead of the IBEW. Our local Costco is a Teamster shop. I think there are about 5 or 6 Teamster locals in San Diego.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "But workers have complained about harsh conditions at the factory and the company’s practice of hiring most of its workers on temporary contracts. Those hired in such a way are paid a small fraction of the salaries permanent employees earn — about 7,000 rupees a month, or $126, compared with 18,000 rupees a month for permanent workers."

    Clash at an Auto Plant In India Turns Deadly (New York Times)
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    All in all reliable cars though.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    This is one of many cases that show how corrupt the Holder Justice Dept is.

    The Justice Department spent millions of dollars on what is considered to be the largest human trafficking case in the US, only to dismiss it on the grounds that the government would be unable to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt.

    ­Federal prosecutors dropped the human trafficking case against the owner of a labor contracting company accused of exploiting hundreds of Thai farm workers.

    Eight executives and business associates from the company, three of which pled guilty, were accused of misusing 600 Thai workers that were placed in farms throughout the US. Among the accused was the CEO of the company, Mordechai Orian.

    In a press release on its website, the EEOC said workers were crammed into rooms in large numbers, in houses that were infested with rats and insects. Many did not have beds to sleep in, water to drink or enough food to eat.

    “In some cases, bodyguards were stationed around the farms so they could not escape,” said EEOC attorney Anna Y. Park.

    Even the company’s attorney sounded surprised by what he calls a “moral victory.”

    “To dismiss a case with no intention of bringing it back as a new indictment is very unusual,” he said. “You never see the government just walk away from a case that they spent millions of dollars on.”

    While details about the dismissal are unknown, the criminal charges are being dropped before more than 50 farm workers were given the chance to testify in court.


    http://rt.com/usa/news/us-drops-biggest-human-trafficking-case-771/
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "Hyundai Motor Co. said its labor union has resumed a walkout after workers and management failed to reach an agreement while negotiating wages and labor conditions."

    Hyundai Motor labor union resumes strike (Detroit News)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    That may work out good for US Hyundai workers. If they do not get sucked in by the UAW. I think Hyundai exports some models from the US to other places. Another plus if greed does not take over.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The Korean workers are probably furious about being replaced by cheap foreign labor in RTW states in the U.S.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think Korea has pretty high wages. I remember a Korean Cab Driver in Anchorage told me he was moving back to Korea. He said the wages to cost of living was bad in Alaska. That is why my son is leaving Alaska. Got tired of the lousy weather and lousy pay. And AK is not a RTW state. Too many people willing to work for less money. I guess people want to eat.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited August 2012
    "The strong currency, and higher wages for Canadian workers, seem likely to continue the shrinking of the Canadian auto industry since its peak in 1999. The underlying issue is how much that decline will continue.

    While a number of factors have led to Canada’s steady decline as an automaker, the new contracts for the C.A.W. workers will probably play a critical role in determining Detroit’s future investment plans in the country.

    Looming over the negotiations is the union’s defeat earlier this year at Caterpillar’s locomotive factory in London, Ontario, once owned by General Motors. Caterpillar closed the factory after members rejected the company’s demands for sweeping concessions and went on strike. The factory’s production was moved to nonunion plants in the United States and South America.

    Toyota and Honda, which are not unionized, together account for about 40 percent of Canadian auto production."

    Canadian Dollar’s Strength a Factor in Autoworkers’ Talks (New York Times)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    edited August 2012
    Will the bailout of the UAW bite US in the butt?? Looks like we will lose a lot more on bailing out the UAW than first thought.

    Washington -The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That's 15 percent higher than its previous forecast.

    In a monthly report sent to Congress on Friday, the Obama administration boosted its forecast of expected losses by more than $3.3 billion to almost $25.1 billion, up from $21.7 billion in the last quarterly update.


    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120813/AUTO01/208130392
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    Will the bailout of the UAW bite US in the butt?? Looks like we will lose a lot more on bailing out the UAW than first thought.

    Not more than some of us thought. Best to cut losses and run for the door. Of course that wouldn't look good for the administration, so let's stay on the sinking ship!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    >that wouldn't look good for the administration, so let's stay on the sinking ship!

    But think of how much financial and feet-on-the-ground campaign support those UAW workers can provide. Of course, there a many in Western Ohio who aren't that happy with the bailout not helping keep their retirements from Delphi and the IUE union workers. They probably don't care about GM any more.

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